You also forget to account for the loss of ISK due to them no longer mining.

So not only does mining make pitiful isk, if you do it afk and get ganked, you end up losing not only the ship(s) but also from not being able to mine (plus implants if the ganker goes back).

Thanks for condensing all that for me.
@ Fabulous Rod: Show me the math where a miner can make "craploads" of isk mining in highsec.

Hey.. if he shows how miners can make "craploads of isk" mining afk in highsec, even after factoring in suicide ganks..
Shouldn't that be a good reason to make afk mining riskier?

I don't think you should be able to make "craploads of isk" (again .. starting to hate this formulation) by "playing" afk at all, no matter what activity.

If you're mining for 18 hours a day you are likely unemployed or botting. With that in mind, if you are employed or aren't one of the lucky few who can play while at work, it's unlikely you'll be mining for 18hrs a day.

Lol, I only wish. I could see it now: *Has perp across the hood and handcuffed* "Hey, SIT STILL a minute, I need to switch asteroids". Would definitely make things more interesting at work.

I was underplaying it a bit. Note the part where I said "upwards of 30 mill" And I'm not sure how you can make "craploads" of isk mining in highsec. Highsec ore's aren't worth a whole lot and mining in general is fairly poor in terms of isk/hour. The tradeoff being it is less involved (at its core) than most other income sources.

douchebag and proud

The one grat irony of this whole post/issue is the gankers thump their chest about the bad carebears ruining the game, having it to easy, making money for free, being lazy, doing repetive tasks for maney, etc. But, ganking hulks in catalysts pretty much fulfils all of those items as well.

Look I have nothing against ganking hulks, but after the third time it was pretty much the same as mining, hop in ship head out for pretty much predetermined result. Gankers pretty much hide from real PVP by using hi sec mechanics, to allow them to pod move and drop a ship when needed.

Look if you are a ganker and want to kill a carebear, hop in a ship self destruct and then pod yourself, one deadd bear.

I really blame CCP for this since real PVP rarely occurs in this game, we have BVP (blob vs player),Pvp(Player vs player who has no chance to fight back, only victory is escape) , and hte occasional BvB. The PVPers get bored and turn theur rage on the peeps whe really just like the crafting system .

Tl, DR version - Just because you can gank it does not make you intersting, good or better than the minor you blew up, you are a bear just like them, have a nice day.

I just think its so funny that you created an unimpressive brag thread where you are trying to appear clever but clown yourself by using words you don't even understand, accuse miners of being dumb, when really, they did everything anyone might do to combat suicide gankers, they fit tanks, you got more people to waste their time, and the next time it happened they moved. Its obvious to me that you are some deranged individual who gets off on simply being a douchebag to anyone you can. Happy, content people don't do stuff like this. The subconcious is a powerful thing and that is why they say actions speak louder than words, your words are really meaningless. Also, we know know its not nearly as profitable as you try to make it out to be, nor as fun. Its also pretty funny how you get on alts to praiseyourself, Who does that? Kids like yourself who are butthurt at the world and spend all their time trying to annoy others are really the most pathetic of people. Its no wonder your social life is restricted to a video game.

For the number of times you would get randomly suicide ganked in a month, mining afk in a hulk is totally worth it. Theres nothing dumb about being a miner. However, it is dumb to pat yourself on the back for ganking them, being that it is so simply and without risk, and really, not very profitable at all considering all the prep work and the isk you could be making with 3 ppl.

Your sig says "play however the hell you want" and then you criticize miners for how they play.

Basically, you are just an all-around fool and clown and I just think its fun to point that out to your face in your own brag thread. I'm a pvper and I like to pvp, the difference is that I like to put the douchebags in their place when I pvp rather than just go around looking for random people to annoy. It's more fun to fuk with butthurt angsty derps who actually deserve to be curbstomped, like Deamon. Its a sense of justice breing brought as well. I like a challenge, poor deamon probably isn't used to pvp where people fight back. Whats is more satisfying, gloating over a victory where your egotistical opponent actually tried to fight back and lost in a fair fight or gloating over the fact you shot some fish in a barrel? I think that answer is obvious.

just in case you missed it

Actualy I'd wager he posted this thread to bait idiots like you into abusing the word "subconcious". Also you still haven't shown any math in regards to how much a miner can make per hour. So untill then I'm going to assume it's around 15 mill/hour.

ah yes, the reaction of an angry derp that lacks any basis in reality. thank you for that

blah blah alts...

Still not seeing in math being done over there.

see if my friend wants to waste his time, I don't care to enlighten you on the profits of rig production.

see if my friend wants to waste his time, I don't care to enlighten you on the profits of rig production.

You still have yet to provide proof of any alts.

You sound much like a cynical chicken little...

Actualy rig production is what I do. Becuase you use salvage for that. You can't get salvage from asteroids. So; congradulations on understanding EVE mechanics.

just look at the post history and the way he talks, it should be pretty obvious. Damn, you are dumb.

its just one assumption after another with you, isn't it?

you derps make this way too easy.

That's supposition, not proof.

The same supposition that makes someone think you are a teenager with an axe to grind about gankers. Along with some personal issues.

Both are equally stupid assumptions.



About as useful as sand in Africa.

Did you know that Africa is paying top dollar for sand right now?

Assumption?

Fact: rig making uses salvage
Fact: salvage does not come from roids


Where is the assumption?

wow, really? Do i have to spell EVERYTHING out for you?

The assumption he made was that we aren't also using salvage to make rigs.

I kinda feel bad for you two being that dumb, but not surprised, you are defending someone like Deamon Ceed after all.

How was that waterslide btw?

The whole point of this discussion was that you said afk mining was a way to make craploads of isk. I am still waiting for you to show me how you can make craploads of isk mining while afk, in highsec.

Seeing as my question remains unanswered, I shall exercise my right to declare victory. Have a nice day.

Call up any investor and ask them what their trade secrets are see how successful you are at getting any specific info, most of them are even less likely to provide such info to someone whom they know is a derpish forum clown.

Of course, you are the first to declare victory and scamper away with your tail between your legs when you can't argue any further. Fking classic

I'll indulge you one last time. I never asked for some big mining "secret" (mining laser upgrades increase your mining yield) I asked for you to break down and quantify the earning potential of a miner in highsec. You have still left this point unanswered, therefore, I win by default.

wow, really? Do i have to spell EVERYTHING out for you?

The assumption he made was that we aren't also using salvage to make rigs.

I kinda feel bad for you two being that dumb, but not surprised. You are defending someone like Deamon Ceed after all.

How was that waterslide btw?