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Serena Serene
Selective Hearing Nearly Feared
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Posted - 2012.08.04 11:44:00 -
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Daemon Ceed wrote:Maddie Gunslinger wrote:OP came in boasting miner kills, he thought this was CONCORD protected forum space, miner ganked him like a boss. Priceless. Mmmm, still trying to see how I was the one who got ganked. It's very amusing to see this thread being trolled by someone who enters themselves in an Avatar Beauty Pageant for attention, but I digress. I actually posted this to get some laughs and show how dumb some miners were. My point was sufficiently proven. Good day!
I had entered the contest, too... How mean of you! George Clooney would never say something like that to a lady!
Aside from that the whole thread quickly derailed into something ridiculous after the first page or so, so I don't think anyone got ganked, although there were people who more or less self-destructed, imo. |
Daichi Yamato
Swamp Bucket Swamp Bucket Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.08.04 18:54:00 -
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Taraxon Taranogas wrote:Daemon Ceed wrote:Maddie Gunslinger wrote:OP came in boasting miner kills, he thought this was CONCORD protected forum space, miner ganked him like a boss. Priceless. Mmmm, still trying to see how I was the one who got ganked. It's very amusing to see this thread being trolled by someone who enters themselves in an Avatar Beauty Pageant for attention, but I digress. I actually posted this to get some laughs and show how dumb some miners were. My point was sufficiently proven. Good day! Seriously: I guess I have 2 questions (educate a noob here). 1. How is ganking miners profitable? Is it looting the wreck or does the parent corp pay you for each kill? 2. Why are miners "stupid"? I will give you props on miners that do not fortify their ships properly but really, a realtively new miner with "OK" skills cannot protect him/herself against 3 dessies on a suicide mission. How is that stupid?
1. Cause you have a friend or alt scoop the loot and salvage the wreck. Both can be sold for far more than the cost of the ganking ship
2. New miners are not profitable. Hulks with little to no tank are VERY profitable and are the focus of gankers.
that said. some people will gank u just to ruin ur day. perhaps u were in the wrong place in the wrong time, or maybe u were obnoxious like fab rod and painted a target on ur head. |
Daichi Yamato
Swamp Bucket Swamp Bucket Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.08.04 19:00:00 -
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Sorceror Majiir wrote:Danks wrote:Sorceror Majiir wrote: Danks:
Clearly your upset that my unsupported facts, ie from memory, are just as good as your unsupported facts, from your memory.
When your facts are 1) that ganking used not to be possible in high sec and 2) half a million people have given eve a try and quit then I'm going to laugh and call you a troll. Yeah Danks, I'll stick to both those statements. On the bright side, I just signed up for the Dust beta, made it through the general part, perhaps due to the fact I've played the game since week 2 :) .. and heh, it's looks purty cool. Kudo's to Eve for getting a planetside game.
oh crap. he's playing dust too? but he'll want risk free spawn points and invulnerability for 30 secs after each spawn, so that newer players can learn the game...
i dnt really want ppl to slowly learn the game, i want them to hit the ground running and adapt on the fly or i want them to leave. And i dont think i'm alone in that thought. I think EVE would lose far more of its players if high sec became safe than it does through gankers.
There shouldn't be any safe place. even in ur captains quarters, i want to break down ur door and mug u for ur implants, cause thats my perfect sandbox |
Taraxon Taranogas
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.08.04 19:00:00 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:Taraxon Taranogas wrote:Daemon Ceed wrote:Maddie Gunslinger wrote:OP came in boasting miner kills, he thought this was CONCORD protected forum space, miner ganked him like a boss. Priceless. Mmmm, still trying to see how I was the one who got ganked. It's very amusing to see this thread being trolled by someone who enters themselves in an Avatar Beauty Pageant for attention, but I digress. I actually posted this to get some laughs and show how dumb some miners were. My point was sufficiently proven. Good day! Seriously: I guess I have 2 questions (educate a noob here). 1. How is ganking miners profitable? Is it looting the wreck or does the parent corp pay you for each kill? 2. Why are miners "stupid"? I will give you props on miners that do not fortify their ships properly but really, a realtively new miner with "OK" skills cannot protect him/herself against 3 dessies on a suicide mission. How is that stupid? 1. Cause you have a friend or alt scoop the loot and salvage the wreck. Both can be sold for far more than the cost of the ganking ship 2. New miners are not profitable. Hulks with little to no tank are VERY profitable and are the focus of gankers. that said. some people will gank u just to ruin ur day. perhaps u were in the wrong place in the wrong time, or maybe u were obnoxious like fab rod and painted a target on ur head.
No I would not say obnoxious. Just trying to mine. You just can't tank a hulk and get the desired yield. Again a few dessies will always get you. That said, it's allowed in the game so it's on the table. Thanks for the info. |
Daichi Yamato
Swamp Bucket Swamp Bucket Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.08.04 19:26:00 -
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Taraxon Taranogas wrote: No I would not say obnoxious. Just trying to mine. You just can't tank a hulk and get the desired yield. Again a few dessies will always get you. That said, it's allowed in the game so it's on the table. Thanks for the info.
Ranting about how gankers were all bullied at school and have no lives is quite obnoxious behaviour.
also, the desired yield u want from ur hulks is whats making u an attractive target. either have high yield and get ganked or sacrifice ur yield to make urself un profitable.
there are hulk fits that have an ehp of 30k and still get 85%-ish of a full on mining hulk.
[Hulk, Hulk I2 - Solo_Maxi_Miner Yield: 2942 w/Orca] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Small Shield Extender II [empty med slot] [empty med slot]
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Medium Cargohold Optimization I Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Mining Drone II x5 Hobgoblin II x5
[Hulk, Hulk I2 - Tanked_Miner Yield: 2525 w/Orca] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Amplifier I Medium Shield Extender II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Hobgoblin II x5 Mining Drone II x5
Its not a great difference in mining yield. Or am i missing something massive here?? |
Taraxon Taranogas
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.08.04 19:42:00 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:Taraxon Taranogas wrote: No I would not say obnoxious. Just trying to mine. You just can't tank a hulk and get the desired yield. Again a few dessies will always get you. That said, it's allowed in the game so it's on the table. Thanks for the info.
I didnt mean u specifically Taraxon. also, the desired yield u want from ur hulks is whats making u an attractive target. either have high yield and get ganked or sacrifice ur yield to make urself un profitable. there are hulk fits that have an ehp of 30k and still get 85%-ish of a full on mining hulk. [Hulk, Hulk I2 - Solo_Maxi_Miner Yield: 2942 w/Orca] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Small Shield Extender II [empty med slot] [empty med slot] Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Medium Cargohold Optimization I Medium Cargohold Optimization I Mining Drone II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 [Hulk, Hulk I2 - Tanked_Miner Yield: 2525 w/Orca] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Amplifier I Medium Shield Extender II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Hobgoblin II x5 Mining Drone II x5 Its not a great difference in mining yield. Or am i missing something massive here??
Thank you. It was nice to get help rather than trolling. I do understand the gankers though as it's part of the game mechanics. So once I get all the skills I think it would be a better time to field one of these.
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Astroniomix
Thorn Project Black Thorne Alliance
129
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Posted - 2012.08.04 19:45:00 -
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Taraxon Taranogas wrote:Daichi Yamato wrote:Taraxon Taranogas wrote: No I would not say obnoxious. Just trying to mine. You just can't tank a hulk and get the desired yield. Again a few dessies will always get you. That said, it's allowed in the game so it's on the table. Thanks for the info.
I didnt mean u specifically Taraxon. also, the desired yield u want from ur hulks is whats making u an attractive target. either have high yield and get ganked or sacrifice ur yield to make urself un profitable. there are hulk fits that have an ehp of 30k and still get 85%-ish of a full on mining hulk. [Hulk, Hulk I2 - Solo_Maxi_Miner Yield: 2942 w/Orca] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Small Shield Extender II [empty med slot] [empty med slot] Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Medium Cargohold Optimization I Medium Cargohold Optimization I Mining Drone II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 [Hulk, Hulk I2 - Tanked_Miner Yield: 2525 w/Orca] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Amplifier I Medium Shield Extender II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Hobgoblin II x5 Mining Drone II x5 Its not a great difference in mining yield. Or am i missing something massive here?? Thank you. It was nice to get help rather than trolling. I do understand the gankers though as it's part of the game mechanics. So once I get all the skills I think it would be a better time to field one of these. See? People like you aren't the ones we have problems with. It's the ones that fill their midslots with civilian shield boosters, their lowslots with cargo expanders, and then cargo rig their hulks, then whine when they get blowed up by a catalyst that **** us off. |
Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.08.05 17:08:00 -
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you'd have to be an idiot to believe someone claiming they get 20 mil an hour off hulk salvage after splitting it between 3-4 people. I guess its typical of someone who would make a thread like this.
WoW Deamon, looks like you've been baited, trolled, hooked, reeled in, and are now flopping around on the bottom of this failboat of a thread in a pathetic defense of yourself, only Fabulous Rod doesn't believe in catch and release.
Daemon Ceed wrote:I actually posted this to get some laughs and show how dumb some miners were. My point was sufficiently proven. Good day!
Its funny how you did the opposite and the only thing you proved was that you be a clown in desperate need of attention. |
Astroniomix
Thorn Project Black Thorne Alliance
131
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Posted - 2012.08.05 18:44:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:you'd have to be an idiot to believe someone claiming they get 20 mil an hour off hulk salvage after splitting it between 3-4 people. I guess its typical of someone who would make a thread like this. WoW Deamon, looks like you've been baited, trolled, hooked, reeled in, and are now flopping around on the bottom of this failboat of a thread in a pathetic defense of yourself, only Fabulous Rod doesn't believe in catch and release. Daemon Ceed wrote:I actually posted this to get some laughs and show how dumb some miners were. My point was sufficiently proven. Good day! Its funny how you did the opposite and the only thing you proved was that you be a clown in desperate need of attention. One character can kill a hulk every 20 minutes. A bad drop will still net you around 20 mill. So multiply that by 3 and you've got 60mill/hour. Therefore 3 people ganking hulks can EASILY pull in 20 mill an hour. Though hulks like to mine in groups so if you have multiple people, you can gank multiple hulks at the same time. (even a solo ganker can grab 2 at a time if he is fast)
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Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.08.05 19:02:00 -
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Astroniomix wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:you'd have to be an idiot to believe someone claiming they get 20 mil an hour off hulk salvage after splitting it between 3-4 people. I guess its typical of someone who would make a thread like this. WoW Deamon, looks like you've been baited, trolled, hooked, reeled in, and are now flopping around on the bottom of this failboat of a thread in a pathetic defense of yourself, only Fabulous Rod doesn't believe in catch and release. Daemon Ceed wrote:I actually posted this to get some laughs and show how dumb some miners were. My point was sufficiently proven. Good day! Its funny how you did the opposite and the only thing you proved was that you be a clown in desperate need of attention. One character can kill a hulk every 20 minutes. A bad drop will still net you around 20 mill. So multiply that by 3 and you've got 60mill/hour. Therefore 3 people ganking hulks can EASILY pull in 20 mill an hour. Though hulks like to mine in groups so if you have multiple people, you can gank multiple hulks at the same time. (even a solo ganker can grab 2 at a time if he is fast)
Too bad it doesn't actually work like you say and your math is ********. You are also omitting all the prep work and inability to solo gank hulks in a dessy. Since you are theorycrafting, you could also suppose that most orca pilots probably have salvagers fitted and have just as good, if not better a chance of getting the salvage.
Keep telling us how you pick the corn out of other peoples poop to save money on food in no time at all, and bragging about it. |
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Tiamet Cordova
The Black Ops Black Core Citizens
9
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Posted - 2012.08.05 19:16:00 -
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Astroniomix wrote:Taraxon Taranogas wrote:I love how you all call the carebares whiny when in fact you stink so bad that you have to come to hi-sec and shoot at mining barges.
How pathetic.
The double standard is that you are all whining about them beefing up the barges so that miners might have some sort of chance.
Of course the concept that someone might actually want to play the game as a miner is alien to you. Actualy we are too busy scratching our heads at why they can't figure out how a medium shield extender works. And I for one am rather fond of the barge changes. It should help our hulks not instantly explode the moment an assault frigate lands on grid.
a medium shield extender isnt saving a retriever from anyone other than a half assed frig zerg from a trial account.....
Retrievers are easy pops not because the pilots choose not to build them for defense against such attacks. Its because they simply dont have the ability to properly fit any real defenses other than a possible damage control in the low(thats if you skip out on a survey scanner in the mid and have the extra cpu)
the buffs to the barges were larger than needed thats for sure... but i dont think anyone can disagree that the t1 barges needed another mid slot and a hair more cpu to fit a module for some defense....
as it stands a typical retriever with trimark armor pumps in rigs damage control in low and a shield extender in its mid and a nano in its low will sit at around 3500 EHP... and will pop before concord comes to any pilot who has the same skills it would take to fit those modules (level 5 electronics and engineering)
that also cancels out any cargo expanders or survey scanners. The buff helped this issue a ton and their harder to gank. The whining didnt go away it simply "shifted camps"
so "whats the best way to defend against ganks?" Honestly there isn't one.... all you can do is avoid the typical areas prone to getting ganked a.k.a. Systems around trade hubs and newbie areas.... Find a system without a station in it... Find a system that you will need to jump a hauler to move your ore. If the area has low traffic it will have less flippers/gankers etc.
if you get to a belt and you get a frigate flying by every 20 min ******* with your cans... just leave and go somewhere else. "Dont be that guy" (I have) its just easier to move on and make your isk elsewhere.
Mine in a battleship you can put a strong tank on it and yield as much as any retriever can. You're also virtually immune to any solo gank. think about it (lose 3 retrievers and youve paid for a dominix) js.... or last but not least... get some friends mine together strength in numbers. |
Astroniomix
Thorn Project Black Thorne Alliance
131
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Posted - 2012.08.05 19:34:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:
inability to solo gank hulks in a dessy.
:) |
Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.08.05 20:46:00 -
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Astroniomix wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:
inability to solo gank hulks in a dessy.
:)
right, I forgot to include the blue moon factor. Good argument dude.
is that really all you got? LOL.... SHlT ON! |
Astroniomix
Thorn Project Black Thorne Alliance
131
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Posted - 2012.08.05 21:35:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:Astroniomix wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:
inability to solo gank hulks in a dessy.
:) right, I forgot to include the blue moon factor. Good argument dude. is that really all you got? LOL.... SHlT ON! You realize that the whole point of this thread was to point out the fact that a large number of miners do not tank their hulks AT ALL and are therefore EASILY killable by a lone destroyer. |
Daichi Yamato
Swamp Bucket Swamp Bucket Empire
7
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Posted - 2012.08.05 21:38:00 -
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Tiamet Cordova wrote:
as it stands a typical retriever with trimark armor pumps in rigs damage control in low and a shield extender in its mid and a nano in its low will sit at around 3500 EHP... and will pop before concord comes to any pilot who has the same skills it would take to fit those modules (level 5 electronics and engineering)
What ur doing wrong here is mixing tanks. Try shield rigs with the shield extender and dont fit nano's when ur trying to tank with a DC because it reduces ur hull hp. u are why ppl call miners stupid. try this instead. tanks dessies quite well:
[Retriever, Retriever I2 - Tanked] - 7k ehp cause medium shield extenders are actually useful (i even picked a cheap one for u) F85 Peripheral Damage System I Co-Processor II
Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Quote:
so "whats the best way to defend against ganks?" Honestly there isn't one.... all you can do is avoid the typical areas prone to getting ganked a.k.a. Systems around trade hubs and newbie areas.... Find a system without a station in it... Find a system that you will need to jump a hauler to move your ore. If the area has low traffic it will have less flippers/gankers etc.
D-scan helps. Set range to a few AU and most of what u pick up will be inbounds rather than half the system. Retrievers are ganked much less than hulks anyways, they are hardly worth the destroyers used to destroy them. Also, learn to live without the asteroid scanner. its not the end of the world if u lose 3 mins...its just 3 mins
like i said. its ur obsession with max yield at the cost of survivability that gets u ganked...
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Tiamet Cordova
The Black Ops Black Core Citizens
9
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Posted - 2012.08.05 23:32:00 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:Tiamet Cordova wrote:
as it stands a typical retriever with trimark armor pumps in rigs damage control in low and a shield extender in its mid and a nano in its low will sit at around 3500 EHP... and will pop before concord comes to any pilot who has the same skills it would take to fit those modules (level 5 electronics and engineering)
What ur doing wrong here is mixing tanks. Try shield rigs with the shield extender and dont fit nano's when ur trying to tank with a DC because it reduces ur hull hp. u are why ppl call miners stupid. try this instead. tanks dessies quite well: [Retriever, Retriever I2 - Tanked] - 7k ehp cause medium shield extenders are actually useful (i even picked a cheap one for u) F85 Peripheral Damage System I Co-Processor II Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Quote:
so "whats the best way to defend against ganks?" Honestly there isn't one.... all you can do is avoid the typical areas prone to getting ganked a.k.a. Systems around trade hubs and newbie areas.... Find a system without a station in it... Find a system that you will need to jump a hauler to move your ore. If the area has low traffic it will have less flippers/gankers etc.
D-scan helps. Set range to a few AU and most of what u pick up will be inbounds rather than half the system. Retrievers are ganked much less than hulks anyways, they are hardly worth the destroyers used to destroy them. Also, learn to live without the asteroid scanner. its not the end of the world if u lose 3 mins...its just 3 mins like i said. its ur obsession with max yield at the cost of survivability that gets u ganked...
while its nice to pick apart a post with "in thoery you can do this" its just not practical. The reason many retriever pilots are using mixed methods to obtain hp is because they are low in skill points. by the time most miners work their way into mining 5 and crystals they are well on their way or into a hulk.
so the real question is can a typical retriever pilot miner fit a coprocessor ii? no i didnt even train electronics upgrades until i could pilot a hulk.
and you also are off about people not ganking retrievers because its not worth losing the destroyer or frigate... well people dont suicide gank for the $$.. especially high sec retriever ganks. they are done for the satisfaction of "i killed you and you just flushed 17-20 mill down the can and all i spent was 2 mill on a frigate and guns on a trial account"
so the question is.. are you simply forced to mine with a 100% tank based fit or is there something inherently wrong with the design of the class of ship for its roles in game and dangers faced therin?
as it stands any hulk with a shield booster and damage control can survive a solo dessie gank.....
call it for what it is. The t1 barges were made paper thin because they were never intended to take a ton of damage. The oversight was that they were virtually helpless against any attack from any class of ships willing to die to gank them. What does it take to suicide gank a retriever? 4-5 days of trial account skills and a frigate with 4 guns...POP
deep scan? remember the people crying the loudest are usually the ones who don't understand how much of their woes are self inflicted. you aren't talking about long time players crying about suicide ganks; Im talking about the younger players with limited skill points (the kind who get into a retriever tomorrow and get ganked for the first time by some clown in a frigate who noticed you only had 3 drones(clear indicator of low overall skillpoints)
The kind of pilots who render your clever but impractical "build like this oh look i made it easy for you" fit useless. sure those skills can be expected to be obtained at some point but if the answer to "how do i protect my miner from trial account suicide ganks" is: "T2 modules deepscan and rank V skills to make it all fit" then perhaps the ultra buff to the barges was warranted afterall
p.s. a dessy in tech 2 guns will melt that fit too(retrievers have quite ****** shield resists) |
Astroniomix
Thorn Project Black Thorne Alliance
131
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Posted - 2012.08.06 15:06:00 -
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Tiamet Cordova wrote:Daichi Yamato wrote:Tiamet Cordova wrote:
as it stands a typical retriever with trimark armor pumps in rigs damage control in low and a shield extender in its mid and a nano in its low will sit at around 3500 EHP... and will pop before concord comes to any pilot who has the same skills it would take to fit those modules (level 5 electronics and engineering)
What ur doing wrong here is mixing tanks. Try shield rigs with the shield extender and dont fit nano's when ur trying to tank with a DC because it reduces ur hull hp. u are why ppl call miners stupid. try this instead. tanks dessies quite well: [Retriever, Retriever I2 - Tanked] - 7k ehp cause medium shield extenders are actually useful (i even picked a cheap one for u) F85 Peripheral Damage System I Co-Processor II Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Quote:
so "whats the best way to defend against ganks?" Honestly there isn't one.... all you can do is avoid the typical areas prone to getting ganked a.k.a. Systems around trade hubs and newbie areas.... Find a system without a station in it... Find a system that you will need to jump a hauler to move your ore. If the area has low traffic it will have less flippers/gankers etc.
D-scan helps. Set range to a few AU and most of what u pick up will be inbounds rather than half the system. Retrievers are ganked much less than hulks anyways, they are hardly worth the destroyers used to destroy them. Also, learn to live without the asteroid scanner. its not the end of the world if u lose 3 mins...its just 3 mins like i said. its ur obsession with max yield at the cost of survivability that gets u ganked... while its nice to pick apart a post with "in thoery you can do this" its just not practical. The reason many retriever pilots are using mixed methods to obtain hp is because they are low in skill points. by the time most miners work their way into mining 5 and crystals they are well on their way or into a hulk. so the real question is can a typical retriever pilot miner fit a coprocessor ii? no i didnt even train electronics upgrades until i could pilot a hulk. and you also are off about people not ganking retrievers because its not worth losing the destroyer or frigate... well people dont suicide gank for the $$.. especially high sec retriever ganks. they are done for the satisfaction of "i killed you and you just flushed 17-20 mill down the can and all i spent was 2 mill on a frigate and guns on a trial account" so the question is.. are you simply forced to mine with a 100% tank based fit or is there something inherently wrong with the design of the class of ship for its roles in game and dangers faced therin? as it stands any hulk with a shield booster and damage control can survive a solo dessie gank..... call it for what it is. The t1 barges were made paper thin because they were never intended to take a ton of damage. The oversight was that they were virtually helpless against any attack from any class of ships willing to die to gank them. What does it take to suicide gank a retriever? 4-5 days of trial account skills and a frigate with 4 guns...POP deep scan? remember the people crying the loudest are usually the ones who don't understand how much of their woes are self inflicted. you aren't talking about long time players crying about suicide ganks; Im talking about the younger players with limited skill points (the kind who get into a retriever tomorrow and get ganked for the first time by some clown in a frigate who noticed you only had 3 drones(clear indicator of low overall skillpoints) The kind of pilots who render your clever but impractical "build like this oh look i made it easy for you" fit useless. sure those skills can be expected to be obtained at some point but if the answer to "how do i protect my miner from trial account suicide ganks" is: "T2 modules deepscan and rank V skills to make it all fit" then perhaps the ultra buff to the barges was warranted afterall p.s. a dessy in tech 2 guns will melt that fit too(retrievers have quite ****** shield resists) Yea t1 barges weren't exactly well thought out. Their "defense" is that you can't salvage intact armor plates from a t1 wreck.
However, not training basic support skills on ANY character is never an acceptable excuse and is simply a terrible idea. |
Daichi Yamato
Swamp Bucket Swamp Bucket Empire
7
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Posted - 2012.08.07 00:12:00 -
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Tiamet Cordova wrote:
while its nice to pick apart a post with "in thoery you can do this" its just not practical. The reason many retriever pilots are using mixed methods to obtain hp is because they are low in skill points. by the time most miners work their way into mining 5 and crystals they are well on their way or into a hulk.
This is also why ppl say miners are dumb. rushing into ships before u can properly fly them is dumb (like flying a retriever before u have the skills to tank is really dumb). You are right that it's theory tho...i've never been ganked. Probably because i tank and d-scan.
Quote: so the real question is can a typical retriever pilot miner fit a coprocessor ii? no i didnt even train electronics upgrades until i could pilot a hulk.
I used a Co-pro II for my own laziness. this fit works with a T1 meta 0 Co-Pro I...if u had played around with fits rather than using 'maximum yield all the time' u'd know this. It also mines almost as much as a 'maximum yield retriever'.
Quote: so the question is.. are you simply forced to mine with a 100% tank based fit or is there something inherently wrong with the design of the class of ship for its roles in game and dangers faced therin?
100% tank fits still get 85% of full yield...what the hell is the problem?
Quote: The kind of pilots who render your clever but impractical "build like this oh look i made it easy for you" fit useless. sure those skills can be expected to be obtained at some point but if the answer to "how do i protect my miner from trial account suicide ganks" is: "T2 modules deepscan and rank V skills to make it all fit" then perhaps the ultra buff to the barges was warranted afterall
Skills required, beyond barge skills for that fit with T1 strip miners, are: Hull Upgrades 1, Shield Upgrades 1, Electronics Upgrades 1, Engineering 4 and Electronics 5, shield rigging 1.
This is about 5 or 6 days training...how the hell can 6 days training be too long? Only a fool would skill for T2 strip miners before Engineering and electronics 5...right?
Quote: p.s. a dessy in tech 2 guns will melt that fit too(retrievers have quite ****** shield resists)
no it woudnt. A thrasher with; all Level V (not 14 day alt), 6% implants, rigs, T2 gyros and 7 T2 280mm arties fit with quake has a 2173 alpha (EFT) Now forgiving that the rigs don't even fit in the thrasher and each thrasher costs way more than the retriever itself. It still takes 3 salvos to take out the retriever assuming they do EM damage against its shields and then explosive on the rest...
So it basically can't be done unless u bring help, which reduces each members share of some already poor pickings.
Even noobs with no skills can tank a couple of salvos from these over powered thrashers. More typical thrashers will need to bring help (needs 7-8 salvos assuiming good hits and that its a 0.5 system). For a retriever its not even worth the trouble.
there was more to this but apparently i can only quote 5 times. But before u say gankers dnt do it for the money, the vast majority do. The next most common motive is griefing specific people because they cry on forums or draw attention to themselves in other ways. Its rare to be the target of a completely random gank. Even hulkaggeddon isn't random and easily avoidable.
i wonder how many miners irritate people on the forums and then are completely dumbfounded when they get targetted by gankers... |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1184
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Posted - 2012.08.07 05:08:00 -
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To be honest, many gankers don't care about Rets. Not good loot, and usually they provide less tears. This doesn't mean they won't get hit. But Rets are dirt easy to replace. They also will be better in a couple days.
Hulks and Macks are the targets, and with so many silly miners using shield boosters only, they make for easy pickings.
I personally look forward to being able to tell people to mine in a Skiff. Meanwhile I'll be in my tanked Mack, reading a book and watching the screen (not necessarily at the same time). |
Tiamet Cordova
The Black Ops Black Core Citizens
9
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:22:00 -
[230] - Quote
Corina Jarr wrote:To be honest, many gankers don't care about Rets. Not good loot, and usually they provide less tears. This doesn't mean they won't get hit. But Rets are dirt easy to replace. They also will be better in a couple days.
Hulks and Macks are the targets, and with so many silly miners using shield boosters only, they make for easy pickings.
I personally look forward to being able to tell people to mine in a Skiff. Meanwhile I'll be in my tanked Mack, reading a book and watching the screen (not necessarily at the same time).
you can just fele the agner with every post when people think about how the old ways of ganking barges and exhumers are gone.... Like i said before the whining hasnt stop its just "shifted from the ganked crowd to tha ganking crowd" |
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Daichi Yamato
Swamp Bucket Swamp Bucket Empire
7
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Posted - 2012.08.07 17:27:00 -
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Tiamet Cordova wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:To be honest, many gankers don't care about Rets. Not good loot, and usually they provide less tears. This doesn't mean they won't get hit. But Rets are dirt easy to replace. They also will be better in a couple days.
Hulks and Macks are the targets, and with so many silly miners using shield boosters only, they make for easy pickings.
I personally look forward to being able to tell people to mine in a Skiff. Meanwhile I'll be in my tanked Mack, reading a book and watching the screen (not necessarily at the same time). you can just feel the anger with every post when people think about how the old ways of ganking barges and exhumers are gone.... Like i said before the whining hasnt stop its just "shifted from the ganked crowd to tha ganking crowd"
i dnt know how many miners will use the skiff or mack. The fact that they've been unable to compromise yield to fit a tank before now suggests to me they'll still use Hulks over other barges and will still refuse to tank them. Bearing in mind they are reducing the shield resistances of the Hulk, its only getting easier to gank them... |
Astroniomix
Thorn Project Black Thorne Alliance
132
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Posted - 2012.08.07 17:46:00 -
[232] - Quote
Daichi Yamato wrote:Tiamet Cordova wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:To be honest, many gankers don't care about Rets. Not good loot, and usually they provide less tears. This doesn't mean they won't get hit. But Rets are dirt easy to replace. They also will be better in a couple days.
Hulks and Macks are the targets, and with so many silly miners using shield boosters only, they make for easy pickings.
I personally look forward to being able to tell people to mine in a Skiff. Meanwhile I'll be in my tanked Mack, reading a book and watching the screen (not necessarily at the same time). you can just feel the anger with every post when people think about how the old ways of ganking barges and exhumers are gone.... Like i said before the whining hasnt stop its just "shifted from the ganked crowd to tha ganking crowd" i dnt know how many miners will use the skiff or mack. The fact that they've been unable to compromise yield to fit a tank before now suggests to me they'll still use Hulks over other barges and will still refuse to tank them. Bearing in mind they are reducing the shield resistances of the Hulk, its only getting easier to gank them... Everything I have read indicates that the hulk is getting an EHP buff. |
Daemon Ceed
Jihad Squad from Riyadh Reckless Ambition
281
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Posted - 2012.08.07 18:10:00 -
[233] - Quote
Astroniomix wrote: Everything I have read indicates that the hulk is getting an EHP buff.
I've heard reports on SiSi that it was around a max tank of 30K. That was a couple weeks ago, however. Nothing an extra 3mil Catalyst can't take care of.
The Sandbox = Play however the hell you want. |
Daichi Yamato
Swamp Bucket Swamp Bucket Empire
7
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Posted - 2012.08.07 18:21:00 -
[234] - Quote
Daemon Ceed wrote:Astroniomix wrote: Everything I have read indicates that the hulk is getting an EHP buff.
I've heard reports on SiSi that it was around a max tank of 30K. That was a couple weeks ago, however. Nothing an extra 3mil Catalyst can't take care of.
max tank hulks can get a 30k EHP now. I haven't SiSi'd anything tho.
http://eveblog.allumis.co.uk/?p=1070
this guy seems to have lost a few EHP's on his hulk fit by taking it into SiSi. Yes, i am aware its not an exact copy of the fit. |
Daemon Ceed
Jihad Squad from Riyadh Reckless Ambition
281
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Posted - 2012.08.07 19:14:00 -
[235] - Quote
Daichi Yamato wrote:Daemon Ceed wrote:Astroniomix wrote: Everything I have read indicates that the hulk is getting an EHP buff.
I've heard reports on SiSi that it was around a max tank of 30K. That was a couple weeks ago, however. Nothing an extra 3mil Catalyst can't take care of. ah yeah, just found some raw HP data. lots of extra HP's
Saw on Evenews24 that they have a nice little table of the raw HP with native EHP resists figured in:
Ship Total Hit PointsEHP Hulk 6000 8713 Covetor 4500 5771 Mackina 8000 11625 Retriever 6000 7691 Skiff 19625 29091 Procurer 18000 23252
So if I take the most common tanky Hulk fit as below, we show that with ALL skills to 5 you'll get 18,542 EHP. Definitely not gank proof:
[Hulk, Still Gonna Die]
3x Modulated Strip Miner II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II EM Ward Amplifier II Small Shield Extender II Survey Scanner II
Damage Control II Mining Laser Upgrade II
2x Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Now lets take a looky at a more common fit that we see everyday with an EHP of 10,246:
[Hulk, Squishy Hulk]
3x Modulated Strip Miner II
Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Upgraded Thermic Dissipation Amplifier I Upgraded EM Ward Amplifier I Residual Survey Scanner I
2x Mining Laser Upgrade II
2x Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Yeah...I could take this solo in a 0.5.
:Holds out bucket for Miner tears:
The Sandbox = Play however the hell you want. |
darkenspace
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.08.08 01:32:00 -
[236] - Quote
you know i feel what he is saying about killing miners i feel the same way when a a-10 makes a gun run get a big grin again and again |
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
7
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Posted - 2012.08.08 06:30:00 -
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Daemon Ceed wrote:
Yeah...I could take this solo in a 0.5.
lol, this embarrassing thread still going.
your history shows that you never ganked a hulk solo in your whole career and even in .5 you need 3 guys. You only killed 16 exhumers in the month of july. Tell us some more stories about how you can gank a miner every 20 mins (but dont) and how you profit madly (but actually dont). The proof is on your pathetic killboard there. Seems like as usual, awful terribad clown-pvpers will say anything to try and make themselves not look the fools that they are. This clown even logs onto alts to praise himself. ROFL. Mommy and daddy should have really given this kid more attention.
*holds bucket out for clown-rat tears* |
Astroniomix
Thorn Project Black Thorne Alliance
136
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Posted - 2012.08.08 06:44:00 -
[238] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:Daemon Ceed wrote:
Yeah...I could take this solo in a 0.5.
lol, this embarrassing thread still going. your history shows that you never ganked a hulk solo in your whole career and even in .5 you need 3 guys. You only killed 16 exhumers in the month of july. Tell us some more stories about how you can gank a miner every 20 mins (but dont) and how you profit madly (but actually dont). The proof is on your pathetic killboard there. Seems like as usual, awful terribad clown-pvpers will say anything to try and make themselves not look the fools that they are. This clown even logs onto alts to praise himself. ROFL. Mommy and daddy should have really given this kid more attention. *holds bucket out for clown-rat tears* Honestly I was hoping you had been muted or something.
Anyway: after 30 seconds searching the batleclinic killboard, http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=16907584 Solo gank in a 0.6 With a t1 catalyst.
Barring that, the point he was making is that the linked fit could be killed solo in a .5 which is ENTIRELY true.
Also you still haven't shown us the earning potential of a highsec miner. |
Daemon Ceed
Jihad Squad from Riyadh Reckless Ambition
281
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Posted - 2012.08.08 07:00:00 -
[239] - Quote
Nerf Burger wrote:you'd have to be an idiot to believe someone claiming they get 20 mil an hour off hulk salvage after splitting it between 3-4 people. I guess its typical of someone who would make a thread like this. WoW Deamon, looks like you've been baited, trolled, hooked, reeled in, and are now flopping around on the bottom of this failboat of a thread in a pathetic defense of yourself, only Fabulous Rod doesn't believe in catch and release. Daemon Ceed wrote:I actually posted this to get some laughs and show how dumb some miners were. My point was sufficiently proven. Good day! Its funny how you did the opposite and the only thing you proved was that you be a clown in desperate need of attention.
Oh hello Fabulous Rod! I see you're posting on another one of your alts. Please to meet you, again.
Point made, I make more than enough to cover my losses, meaning that a ganking campaign can be 100% sustainable. NEXT!
The Sandbox = Play however the hell you want. |
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
7
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Posted - 2012.08.08 07:22:00 -
[240] - Quote
Daemon Ceed wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:you'd have to be an idiot to believe someone claiming they get 20 mil an hour off hulk salvage after splitting it between 3-4 people. I guess its typical of someone who would make a thread like this. WoW Deamon, looks like you've been baited, trolled, hooked, reeled in, and are now flopping around on the bottom of this failboat of a thread in a pathetic defense of yourself, only Fabulous Rod doesn't believe in catch and release. Daemon Ceed wrote:I actually posted this to get some laughs and show how dumb some miners were. My point was sufficiently proven. Good day! Its funny how you did the opposite and the only thing you proved was that you be a clown in desperate need of attention. Oh hello Fabulous Rod! I see you're posting on another one of your alts. Please to meet you, again. Point made, I make more than enough to cover my losses, meaning that a ganking campaign can be 100% sustainable. NEXT!
oh wow, 15mil and you didn't even have to split it with 3 other guys. lol. its funny the pathetic loot you awful carebear pvpers are so proud of, rofl. learn 2 play, scrub, and you won't be settling for the turds miners leave behind.
BTW, thats in .5 astroderp. And where is all this money you clowns are making when you barely manage to kill 1 every other day? Seems to me like miner ganker tears are much more delicious than some random miners because they come from a deeper well of anguish. If you weren't awful and afraid of pvp you could make some real isk blowing up people who actually might have to work for their isk. Its funny that you are willing to settle for what amounts to pennies a day just so you can annoy people. Mom must be proud. |
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