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MeBiatch	Posted - 2010.04.06 16:38:00 - [1] So i here there have been loots of people ragging on the tempy lately saying its still a broken ship... even after the projectile boost.... This is my idea that might fix the ship... step 1: Add PG(ship is hurting as it is and needs some sort of pg slot to fit the BIG guns) Step 2: Remove the ROF bonus and replace it with a Fall off bonus... I think if CCP did this the ship would no longer be broken and would become very popular once again... This would make the ship kickass for 100km rr gangs because now it can use 800's to 100km (look at the vargur) And would bring it into competition with the Mael for 200km gangs...
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2010.04.06 16:57:00 - [2] The funny thing is, Projectile ammo got a total rework because we wanted the Tempest fixed. Then the Phoon was buffed, the RF Tempest was "altered", and the Tempest wasn't touched at all. Oh well. CCP is funny. Considering all that's changed for Minmatar, I think we can continue to live with the Tempest and let some other race have their turn on the buff train for now. (Also, I'm pretty sure the Tempest would be absolutely pathetic with just a single damage bonus, even if it could hit further ranges...)
Liang Nuren The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.06 17:03:00 - [3] I'd rather they made it faster and more agile and maybe increased its scan res. :) -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2010.04.06 17:07:00 - [4] CCP nerfing it, by switching the excess shield HP to armour, didn't help.
Kingwood Amarr V.I.P Industries United Front Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.06 17:09:00 - [5] Don't ever touch the Tempest. If anything, make it faster, more agile and increase the Scanres as Liang said. Fly the Tempest before complaining.
MeBiatch	Posted - 2010.04.06 17:26:00 - [6] Originally by: Liang Nuren I'd rather they made it faster and more agile and maybe increased its scan res. :) -Liang i see how making it faster and more agile would make it better for smaller stuff (pve and low level pvp like roams) but please explain how this assists in it being a better fleet ship? (or should i just stick to the mael for that) to the other guys... yeah i know they set out to fix the tempy and left it in the dark and i know there are much more needy races like galente right now... but keep in mind that it took ccp several fixes to make Amarr what they are today... though i did come up with a rather nice 100 km rr setups... but then i looked at the apox and saw that peeps were using pulse in thier 100km setups... and i do use a vargur for pve... so i figured giving the ship a fall off bonus would allow you to use auto's up to 100km... and probs use more dps ammo for the long range stuff(for the arty setup)... the other idea was keeping the ROF bonus(i think all the minmatar bs's get this bonus) and removing the damage bonus and adding a 7th gun... I could have it all wrong and the ship is great... (i am sure someone will quote this and say 'this.') lol
Kingwood Amarr V.I.P Industries United Front Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.06 17:33:00 - [7] Edited by: Kingwood on 06/04/2010 17:33:41 I think people should stop looking at only EFT DPS and EHP figures and look more at the sum of all parts. This ship sports 2 Heavy Neuts with the alpha neuting capacity of a Curse, the shield buffer of a Drake, is faster than all BCs except a Hurricane, has the DPS of a BC with very nice falloff and the ability to jam ships if you like carrying ECM drones (I do). I flew around solo the last few days with this in Lowsec without problems (Shield Buffer with 1x Nano). Any gatecamps and gangs I encountered I could either engage or disengage from without any problems. For 0.0 I'll have to see how it works out, as I lost a Cynabal yesterday to a Sabre, Dramiel, Manticore and Falcon combo. Armor tank with ECCM might prove to be better to counter all the ECM ***s.
Aeon Noblemagus Minmatar Sto-vo-kor C0NVICTED	Posted - 2010.04.06 17:37:00 - [8] TBH i love the tempest as a pvp boat, yes it blows hard for missions. Why? It is SO versatile as a ship Buffer with RR, fantastic short range Gate camping boat, use a BC/HAC for point Shield/nano it duel/triple rep and use E War in the middle free slots. But CCP should of make it faster more agile and kept it with more shields. We need more non pirate BS shield pvp boats
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.04.06 17:42:00 - [9] Originally by: Kingwood Edited by: Kingwood on 06/04/2010 17:33:41 I think people should stop looking at only EFT DPS and EHP figures and look more at the sum of all parts. This ship sports 2 Heavy Neuts with the alpha neuting capacity of a Curse, the shield buffer of a Drake, is faster than all BCs except a Hurricane, has the DPS of a BC with very nice falloff and the ability to jam ships if you like carrying ECM drones (I do). I flew around solo the last few days with this in Lowsec without problems (Shield Buffer with 1x Nano). Any gatecamps and gangs I encountered I could either engage or disengage from without any problems. For 0.0 I'll have to see how it works out, as I lost a Cynabal yesterday to a Sabre, Dramiel, Manticore and Falcon combo. Armor tank with ECCM might prove to be better to counter all the ECM ***s. They cant ,EFT shows dps/ehp with too big scale and they cant see anything else there :( I dunno where they get the tempest isnt favoured bs, for my alli there are many ppl using this ship,and they say it is awesome. Where should it be boosted, realy what this ship lacks? I think nowhere/nothing.
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2010.04.06 17:43:00 - [10] Originally by: Kingwood This ship sports 2 Heavy Neuts with the alpha neuting capacity of a Curse, the shield buffer of a Drake, is faster than all BCs except a Hurricane, has the DPS of a BC with very nice falloff and the ability to jam ships if you like carrying ECM drones (I do). I think the issue most people have with the Tempest then, is that they expect it to be a Battleship. The overgrown BC use doesn't sound too bad, though.

MeBiatch	Posted - 2010.04.06 17:51:00 - [11] Originally by: Kingwood Edited by: Kingwood on 06/04/2010 17:33:41 I think people should stop looking at only EFT DPS and EHP figures and look more at the sum of all parts. This ship sports 2 Heavy Neuts with the alpha neuting capacity of a Curse, the shield buffer of a Drake, is faster than all BCs except a Hurricane, has the DPS of a BC with very nice falloff and the ability to jam ships if you like carrying ECM drones (I do). I flew around solo the last few days with this in Lowsec without problems (Shield Buffer with 1x Nano). Any gatecamps and gangs I encountered I could either engage or disengage from without any problems. For 0.0 I'll have to see how it works out, as I lost a Cynabal yesterday to a Sabre, Dramiel, Manticore and Falcon combo. Armor tank with ECCM might prove to be better to counter all the ECM ***s. lol i guess i am not the only one who uses eft as a basis if a ship is worth it or not... though you think one or two eccms? and doesnt the armor tank take away from all the purdy things you said about it... like the dps of a bc... and more manoverble then more bc's? yeah i like the ecm drones too... i dont know if your tempy could take on what your cynabal lost too... even with the eccms... i guess you could make it back to the gate?
MeBiatch	Posted - 2010.04.06 17:58:00 - [12] Originally by: Naomi Knight Originally by: Kingwood Edited by: Kingwood on 06/04/2010 17:33:41 I think people should stop looking at only EFT DPS and EHP figures and look more at the sum of all parts. This ship sports 2 Heavy Neuts with the alpha neuting capacity of a Curse, the shield buffer of a Drake, is faster than all BCs except a Hurricane, has the DPS of a BC with very nice falloff and the ability to jam ships if you like carrying ECM drones (I do). I flew around solo the last few days with this in Lowsec without problems (Shield Buffer with 1x Nano). Any gatecamps and gangs I encountered I could either engage or disengage from without any problems. For 0.0 I'll have to see how it works out, as I lost a Cynabal yesterday to a Sabre, Dramiel, Manticore and Falcon combo. Armor tank with ECCM might prove to be better to counter all the ECM ***s. They cant ,EFT shows dps/ehp with too big scale and they cant see anything else there :( I dunno where they get the tempest isnt favoured bs, for my alli there are many ppl using this ship,and they say it is awesome. Where should it be boosted, realy what this ship lacks? I think nowhere/nothing. hmm "NOW" i see how the ship has "ALOT" of uses... and just because the mael does better at 200km does not make the tempy a broken ship... i like liangs idea about faster more agile with a better locking time... thanks for giving me some perspective...
Thercon Jair Minmatar Nex Exercitus IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.06 18:29:00 - [13] It's not so much that it's super-crap, it's that, for all appliances either the Maelstrom or the Typhoon are better. The only thing it's good at is as cheap, unrigged, untanked throw-away-sniper. Real men do it the hard way: fly Minmatar!
Zephna	Posted - 2010.04.06 18:42:00 - [14] what i find off about it is how all the marauders t1 variants arent terribly different except for the pest, like was said makes good for an ewar type, but then turns into the gun variant of the golem when t2, very confusing
Trader20	Posted - 2010.04.06 19:36:00 - [15] Originally by: Liang Nuren I'd rather they made it faster and more agile and maybe increased its scan res. :) -Liang dude its a fukin bs not a hac. give it a better rof/dps bonus
Liang Nuren The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.06 19:38:00 - [16] Originally by: Trader20 Originally by: Liang Nuren I'd rather they made it faster and more agile and maybe increased its scan res. :) -Liang dude its a fukin bs not a hac. give it a better rof/dps bonus I'm not sure I'd go so far as to call the Tempest a battleship, really. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Trader20	Posted - 2010.04.06 19:44:00 - [17] Originally by: Kingwood Edited by: Kingwood on 06/04/2010 17:33:41 I think people should stop looking at only EFT DPS and EHP figures and look more at the sum of all parts. This ship sports 2 Heavy Neuts with the alpha neuting capacity of a Curse, the shield buffer of a Drake, is faster than all BCs except a Hurricane, has the DPS of a BC with very nice falloff and the ability to jam ships if you like carrying ECM drones (I do). I flew around solo the last few days with this in Lowsec without problems (Shield Buffer with 1x Nano). Any gatecamps and gangs I encountered I could either engage or disengage from without any problems. For 0.0 I'll have to see how it works out, as I lost a Cynabal yesterday to a Sabre, Dramiel, Manticore and Falcon combo. Armor tank with ECCM might prove to be better to counter all the ECM ***s. u flew around solo in a bs, wtf?
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.04.06 19:48:00 - [18] I agree with liang on this one. Minmatar are skirmishers and not stand up fleet fighters. Thats amarrs role and its bs lineup reflects this fact as even the geddon can snipe decently. So what minmatar now have is a great skirmish bs with the phoon and a now acceptable fleet bs in the mael. This leave the poor tempest floundering with crappy stats for both roles. So give it some boosts to its skirmish role and make it the premier skirmish bs as it is a tier two ship and should be better than the phoon.
Trader20	Posted - 2010.04.06 19:53:00 - [19] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Trader20 Originally by: Liang Nuren I'd rather they made it faster and more agile and maybe increased its scan res. :) -Liang dude its a fukin bs not a hac. give it a better rof/dps bonus I'm not sure I'd go so far as to call the Tempest a battleship, really. -Liang It's a battleship, trust me. Learn ur roles and shiptypes before posting
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.04.06 20:04:00 - [20] It might show up on the overview as a battleship but it certainly doesn't perform like one in view of all the other bs boosts over the years especially when tier two bc are mixed in. It needs a relook as it is virtually unchanged since its creation except for the global boosts that everything recieved. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.

Liang Nuren The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.06 20:06:00 - [21] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 06/04/2010 20:06:00 Originally by: Trader20 It's a battleship, trust me. Learn ur roles and shiptypes before posting It may look like it when you show info, but try actually flying one. It doesn't perform anything like what I'd expect a battleship to perform like. It performs like a slightly oversize battlecruiser - and that's a great niche for it to be in. IMO, they should expand upon that niche. :) -Liang Ed: Bear in mind that I have all 4 racial battleships at 5... all but Amarr twice. :) -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
MeBiatch	Posted - 2010.04.06 20:18:00 - [22] Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 06/04/2010 20:06:00 Originally by: Trader20 It's a battleship, trust me. Learn ur roles and shiptypes before posting It may look like it when you show info, but try actually flying one. It doesn't perform anything like what I'd expect a battleship to perform like. It performs like a slightly oversize battlecruiser - and that's a great niche for it to be in. IMO, they should expand upon that niche. :) -Liang Ed: Bear in mind that I have all 4 racial battleships at 5... all but Amarr twice. :) question? if you make it move faster and more agile... wont it make take the canes roll? lol i could just imagine... ok people were going to a bc snipe gang... i want tempy's, harby's, brutix's and ferox... ok here is the discription... The Tempest is one of the Republic Fleet's key vessels; a versatile gunship proficient at long-range bombardment and capable of dishing out specialized types of damage with great effectiveness. A well-rounded squadron of Tempests has been proven time and time again to be an invaluable wild card in a fleet battle, one which opponents should ignore at their own peril. they would have to change the discription... cuss from what i read it looks like its supposed to be a long range fleet ship... its a bastardised BC now... CCP can you please make Minmatar have 3 bs's? thanks
Liang Nuren The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.06 20:21:00 - [23] Originally by: MeBiatch question? if you make it move faster and more agile... wont it make take the canes roll? Not really, for a variety of reasons. The cane would still be faster/more agile, cost less, and it would be using med guns. 1400s may look really impressive, but that's before you account for their ** tracking and battleship sig res. Quote: they would have to change the discription... cuss from what i read it looks like its supposed to be a long range fleet ship... Descriptions are useless, and have always been so. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.04.06 20:23:00 - [24] Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 06/04/2010 20:06:00 Originally by: Trader20 It's a battleship, trust me. Learn ur roles and shiptypes before posting It may look like it when you show info, but try actually flying one. It doesn't perform anything like what I'd expect a battleship to perform like. It performs like a slightly oversize battlecruiser - and that's a great niche for it to be in. IMO, they should expand upon that niche. :) -Liang Ed: Bear in mind that I have all 4 racial battleships at 5... all but Amarr twice. :) Bear in mind that you are still clueless about eve after skilling up to lvl5 on all bs. What do you think that your char skills have any relevance on your knowladge? Not at all. Tempest 2nd best sniper after apoc. It is a good sniper. Its capless weapon huge alpha better speed is much better than a small decrease in ehp. Also it can do many thing,with different fittings well enough ,if you think that isnt enough you have trained the wrong race, go for amarr if you want ehp/dps only.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.04.06 20:25:00 - [25] Edited by: Zeba on 06/04/2010 20:25:32 Not to poke holes in your overall argument(i'll let liang do that) I would say that ship descriptions are about as relevant to how the ship is used and performs as opinions over what nostradamus quatrains mean. edit: bah beaten to the punch. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
Liang Nuren The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.06 20:41:00 - [26] Originally by: Naomi Knight Bear in mind that you are still clueless about eve after skilling up to lvl5 on all bs. What do you think that your char skills have any relevance on your knowladge? Not at all. Naomi, you've repeatedly shown that you have an extreme agenda, and belittle anyone that gets in your way. I'm sorry that I actually care about game balance and don't want Caldari (and now Gallente it seems?) to be WHAT THE ** OMG BBQ overpowered. Quote: go for amarr if you want ehp/dps only. What the - did you even read my post? I didn't ask to increase it's DPS/EHP. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2010.04.06 20:46:00 - [27] Edited by: Seriously Bored on 06/04/2010 20:46:30 Originally by: Naomi Knight Bear in mind that you are still clueless about eve after skilling up to lvl5 on all bs. What do you think that your char skills have any relevance on your knowladge? Not at all. Tempest 2nd best sniper after apoc. It is a good sniper. Its capless weapon huge alpha better speed is much better than a small decrease in ehp. Also it can do many thing,with different fittings well enough ,if you think that isnt enough you have trained the wrong race, go for amarr if you want ehp/dps only. You're telling him he trained the wrong race, shortly after acknowledging that he trained all of them equally. And I thought you were a laser fanatic, Naomi? I would agree that I'd rather use a Tempest for sniping rather than a Mael. I can't cite my reasons why at the moment, even though its "huge alpha" is significantly less huge than the Mael's... (or even an Arty Apoc's)
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.04.06 20:56:00 - [28] Originally by: Seriously Bored Edited by: Seriously Bored on 06/04/2010 20:46:30 Originally by: Naomi Knight Bear in mind that you are still clueless about eve after skilling up to lvl5 on all bs. What do you think that your char skills have any relevance on your knowladge? Not at all. Tempest 2nd best sniper after apoc. It is a good sniper. Its capless weapon huge alpha better speed is much better than a small decrease in ehp. Also it can do many thing,with different fittings well enough ,if you think that isnt enough you have trained the wrong race, go for amarr if you want ehp/dps only. You're telling him he trained the wrong race, shortly after acknowledging that he trained all of them equally. And I thought you were a laser fanatic, Naomi? I would agree that I'd rather use a Tempest for sniping rather than a Mael. I can't cite my reasons why at the moment, even though its "huge alpha" is significantly less huge than the Mael's... (or even an Arty Apoc's) Only the first line is for Liang the rest is for those who thinks tempest needs a boost. No no Im not a fanatic but I dont like if one race is way better than the other, see I like balance thats all , if matar were the weakest one I would be a matar "fanatic". I dont say that matar doesnt have bad ships ,but tempest isnt one of those and matar has already way more good ships than the other races ,maybe except amarr--> so gall/caldari need a boost thats all^^
Nora Rage Heroes. Talos Coalition	Posted - 2010.04.06 21:00:00 - [29] Pff... great RR BS ship with 2 Reps, and room for ECCM, Cap booster and usual tackle while still having decent tank and dps. Great sniper with amazing alpha for very cheap. Great nano BS with shield tank and nice gank.
Liang Nuren The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.06 21:30:00 - [30] Originally by: Naomi Knight if matar were the weakest one I would be a matar "fanatic".... so gall/caldari need a boost thats all Fortunately, I believe you on the first part. The part that's really confusing is that you constantly attack everyone despite them actually agreeing with you. I've been a vocal supporter of a Gallente boost since before the thought ever crossed your mind. You claim that I don't know my ***, but I argued in favor of both the Amarr and* the Minmatar boosts... and they both got boosted. When I come to a thread, I come with facts about the game - you come with not-quite-clever snide remarks about anyone that disagrees even by degree. News flash: the game isn't purely in black and white... just because something is more powerful here or there doesn't mean it's more powerful everywhere. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire



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