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MeBiatch	Posted - 2010.04.06 16:38:00 - [1] So i here there have been loots of people ragging on the tempy lately saying its still a broken ship... even after the projectile boost.... This is my idea that might fix the ship... step 1: Add PG(ship is hurting as it is and needs some sort of pg slot to fit the BIG guns) Step 2: Remove the ROF bonus and replace it with a Fall off bonus... I think if CCP did this the ship would no longer be broken and would become very popular once again... This would make the ship kickass for 100km rr gangs because now it can use 800's to 100km (look at the vargur) And would bring it into competition with the Mael for 200km gangs...
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2010.04.06 16:57:00 - [2] The funny thing is, Projectile ammo got a total rework because we wanted the Tempest fixed. Then the Phoon was buffed, the RF Tempest was "altered", and the Tempest wasn't touched at all. Oh well. CCP is funny. Considering all that's changed for Minmatar, I think we can continue to live with the Tempest and let some other race have their turn on the buff train for now. (Also, I'm pretty sure the Tempest would be absolutely pathetic with just a single damage bonus, even if it could hit further ranges...)
Liang Nuren The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.06 17:03:00 - [3] I'd rather they made it faster and more agile and maybe increased its scan res. :) -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2010.04.06 17:07:00 - [4] CCP nerfing it, by switching the excess shield HP to armour, didn't help.
Kingwood Amarr V.I.P Industries United Front Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.06 17:09:00 - [5] Don't ever touch the Tempest. If anything, make it faster, more agile and increase the Scanres as Liang said. Fly the Tempest before complaining.
MeBiatch	Posted - 2010.04.06 17:26:00 - [6] Originally by: Liang Nuren I'd rather they made it faster and more agile and maybe increased its scan res. :) -Liang i see how making it faster and more agile would make it better for smaller stuff (pve and low level pvp like roams) but please explain how this assists in it being a better fleet ship? (or should i just stick to the mael for that) to the other guys... yeah i know they set out to fix the tempy and left it in the dark and i know there are much more needy races like galente right now... but keep in mind that it took ccp several fixes to make Amarr what they are today... though i did come up with a rather nice 100 km rr setups... but then i looked at the apox and saw that peeps were using pulse in thier 100km setups... and i do use a vargur for pve... so i figured giving the ship a fall off bonus would allow you to use auto's up to 100km... and probs use more dps ammo for the long range stuff(for the arty setup)... the other idea was keeping the ROF bonus(i think all the minmatar bs's get this bonus) and removing the damage bonus and adding a 7th gun... I could have it all wrong and the ship is great... (i am sure someone will quote this and say 'this.') lol
Kingwood Amarr V.I.P Industries United Front Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.06 17:33:00 - [7] Edited by: Kingwood on 06/04/2010 17:33:41 I think people should stop looking at only EFT DPS and EHP figures and look more at the sum of all parts. This ship sports 2 Heavy Neuts with the alpha neuting capacity of a Curse, the shield buffer of a Drake, is faster than all BCs except a Hurricane, has the DPS of a BC with very nice falloff and the ability to jam ships if you like carrying ECM drones (I do). I flew around solo the last few days with this in Lowsec without problems (Shield Buffer with 1x Nano). Any gatecamps and gangs I encountered I could either engage or disengage from without any problems. For 0.0 I'll have to see how it works out, as I lost a Cynabal yesterday to a Sabre, Dramiel, Manticore and Falcon combo. Armor tank with ECCM might prove to be better to counter all the ECM ***s.
Aeon Noblemagus Minmatar Sto-vo-kor C0NVICTED	Posted - 2010.04.06 17:37:00 - [8] TBH i love the tempest as a pvp boat, yes it blows hard for missions. Why? It is SO versatile as a ship Buffer with RR, fantastic short range Gate camping boat, use a BC/HAC for point Shield/nano it duel/triple rep and use E War in the middle free slots. But CCP should of make it faster more agile and kept it with more shields. We need more non pirate BS shield pvp boats
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.04.06 17:42:00 - [9] Originally by: Kingwood Edited by: Kingwood on 06/04/2010 17:33:41 I think people should stop looking at only EFT DPS and EHP figures and look more at the sum of all parts. This ship sports 2 Heavy Neuts with the alpha neuting capacity of a Curse, the shield buffer of a Drake, is faster than all BCs except a Hurricane, has the DPS of a BC with very nice falloff and the ability to jam ships if you like carrying ECM drones (I do). I flew around solo the last few days with this in Lowsec without problems (Shield Buffer with 1x Nano). Any gatecamps and gangs I encountered I could either engage or disengage from without any problems. For 0.0 I'll have to see how it works out, as I lost a Cynabal yesterday to a Sabre, Dramiel, Manticore and Falcon combo. Armor tank with ECCM might prove to be better to counter all the ECM ***s. They cant ,EFT shows dps/ehp with too big scale and they cant see anything else there :( I dunno where they get the tempest isnt favoured bs, for my alli there are many ppl using this ship,and they say it is awesome. Where should it be boosted, realy what this ship lacks? I think nowhere/nothing.
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2010.04.06 17:43:00 - [10] Originally by: Kingwood This ship sports 2 Heavy Neuts with the alpha neuting capacity of a Curse, the shield buffer of a Drake, is faster than all BCs except a Hurricane, has the DPS of a BC with very nice falloff and the ability to jam ships if you like carrying ECM drones (I do). I think the issue most people have with the Tempest then, is that they expect it to be a Battleship. The overgrown BC use doesn't sound too bad, though.

MeBiatch	Posted - 2010.04.06 17:51:00 - [11] Originally by: Kingwood Edited by: Kingwood on 06/04/2010 17:33:41 I think people should stop looking at only EFT DPS and EHP figures and look more at the sum of all parts. This ship sports 2 Heavy Neuts with the alpha neuting capacity of a Curse, the shield buffer of a Drake, is faster than all BCs except a Hurricane, has the DPS of a BC with very nice falloff and the ability to jam ships if you like carrying ECM drones (I do). I flew around solo the last few days with this in Lowsec without problems (Shield Buffer with 1x Nano). Any gatecamps and gangs I encountered I could either engage or disengage from without any problems. For 0.0 I'll have to see how it works out, as I lost a Cynabal yesterday to a Sabre, Dramiel, Manticore and Falcon combo. Armor tank with ECCM might prove to be better to counter all the ECM ***s. lol i guess i am not the only one who uses eft as a basis if a ship is worth it or not... though you think one or two eccms? and doesnt the armor tank take away from all the purdy things you said about it... like the dps of a bc... and more manoverble then more bc's? yeah i like the ecm drones too... i dont know if your tempy could take on what your cynabal lost too... even with the eccms... i guess you could make it back to the gate?
MeBiatch	Posted - 2010.04.06 17:58:00 - [12] Originally by: Naomi Knight Originally by: Kingwood Edited by: Kingwood on 06/04/2010 17:33:41 I think people should stop looking at only EFT DPS and EHP figures and look more at the sum of all parts. This ship sports 2 Heavy Neuts with the alpha neuting capacity of a Curse, the shield buffer of a Drake, is faster than all BCs except a Hurricane, has the DPS of a BC with very nice falloff and the ability to jam ships if you like carrying ECM drones (I do). I flew around solo the last few days with this in Lowsec without problems (Shield Buffer with 1x Nano). Any gatecamps and gangs I encountered I could either engage or disengage from without any problems. For 0.0 I'll have to see how it works out, as I lost a Cynabal yesterday to a Sabre, Dramiel, Manticore and Falcon combo. Armor tank with ECCM might prove to be better to counter all the ECM ***s. They cant ,EFT shows dps/ehp with too big scale and they cant see anything else there :( I dunno where they get the tempest isnt favoured bs, for my alli there are many ppl using this ship,and they say it is awesome. Where should it be boosted, realy what this ship lacks? I think nowhere/nothing. hmm "NOW" i see how the ship has "ALOT" of uses... and just because the mael does better at 200km does not make the tempy a broken ship... i like liangs idea about faster more agile with a better locking time... thanks for giving me some perspective...
Thercon Jair Minmatar Nex Exercitus IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.06 18:29:00 - [13] It's not so much that it's super-crap, it's that, for all appliances either the Maelstrom or the Typhoon are better. The only thing it's good at is as cheap, unrigged, untanked throw-away-sniper. Real men do it the hard way: fly Minmatar!
Zephna	Posted - 2010.04.06 18:42:00 - [14] what i find off about it is how all the marauders t1 variants arent terribly different except for the pest, like was said makes good for an ewar type, but then turns into the gun variant of the golem when t2, very confusing
Trader20	Posted - 2010.04.06 19:36:00 - [15] Originally by: Liang Nuren I'd rather they made it faster and more agile and maybe increased its scan res. :) -Liang dude its a fukin bs not a hac. give it a better rof/dps bonus
Liang Nuren The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.06 19:38:00 - [16] Originally by: Trader20 Originally by: Liang Nuren I'd rather they made it faster and more agile and maybe increased its scan res. :) -Liang dude its a fukin bs not a hac. give it a better rof/dps bonus I'm not sure I'd go so far as to call the Tempest a battleship, really. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Trader20	Posted - 2010.04.06 19:44:00 - [17] Originally by: Kingwood Edited by: Kingwood on 06/04/2010 17:33:41 I think people should stop looking at only EFT DPS and EHP figures and look more at the sum of all parts. This ship sports 2 Heavy Neuts with the alpha neuting capacity of a Curse, the shield buffer of a Drake, is faster than all BCs except a Hurricane, has the DPS of a BC with very nice falloff and the ability to jam ships if you like carrying ECM drones (I do). I flew around solo the last few days with this in Lowsec without problems (Shield Buffer with 1x Nano). Any gatecamps and gangs I encountered I could either engage or disengage from without any problems. For 0.0 I'll have to see how it works out, as I lost a Cynabal yesterday to a Sabre, Dramiel, Manticore and Falcon combo. Armor tank with ECCM might prove to be better to counter all the ECM ***s. u flew around solo in a bs, wtf?
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.04.06 19:48:00 - [18] I agree with liang on this one. Minmatar are skirmishers and not stand up fleet fighters. Thats amarrs role and its bs lineup reflects this fact as even the geddon can snipe decently. So what minmatar now have is a great skirmish bs with the phoon and a now acceptable fleet bs in the mael. This leave the poor tempest floundering with crappy stats for both roles. So give it some boosts to its skirmish role and make it the premier skirmish bs as it is a tier two ship and should be better than the phoon.
Trader20	Posted - 2010.04.06 19:53:00 - [19] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Trader20 Originally by: Liang Nuren I'd rather they made it faster and more agile and maybe increased its scan res. :) -Liang dude its a fukin bs not a hac. give it a better rof/dps bonus I'm not sure I'd go so far as to call the Tempest a battleship, really. -Liang It's a battleship, trust me. Learn ur roles and shiptypes before posting
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.04.06 20:04:00 - [20] It might show up on the overview as a battleship but it certainly doesn't perform like one in view of all the other bs boosts over the years especially when tier two bc are mixed in. It needs a relook as it is virtually unchanged since its creation except for the global boosts that everything recieved. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.

Liang Nuren The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.06 20:06:00 - [21] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 06/04/2010 20:06:00 Originally by: Trader20 It's a battleship, trust me. Learn ur roles and shiptypes before posting It may look like it when you show info, but try actually flying one. It doesn't perform anything like what I'd expect a battleship to perform like. It performs like a slightly oversize battlecruiser - and that's a great niche for it to be in. IMO, they should expand upon that niche. :) -Liang Ed: Bear in mind that I have all 4 racial battleships at 5... all but Amarr twice. :) -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
MeBiatch	Posted - 2010.04.06 20:18:00 - [22] Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 06/04/2010 20:06:00 Originally by: Trader20 It's a battleship, trust me. Learn ur roles and shiptypes before posting It may look like it when you show info, but try actually flying one. It doesn't perform anything like what I'd expect a battleship to perform like. It performs like a slightly oversize battlecruiser - and that's a great niche for it to be in. IMO, they should expand upon that niche. :) -Liang Ed: Bear in mind that I have all 4 racial battleships at 5... all but Amarr twice. :) question? if you make it move faster and more agile... wont it make take the canes roll? lol i could just imagine... ok people were going to a bc snipe gang... i want tempy's, harby's, brutix's and ferox... ok here is the discription... The Tempest is one of the Republic Fleet's key vessels; a versatile gunship proficient at long-range bombardment and capable of dishing out specialized types of damage with great effectiveness. A well-rounded squadron of Tempests has been proven time and time again to be an invaluable wild card in a fleet battle, one which opponents should ignore at their own peril. they would have to change the discription... cuss from what i read it looks like its supposed to be a long range fleet ship... its a bastardised BC now... CCP can you please make Minmatar have 3 bs's? thanks
Liang Nuren The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.06 20:21:00 - [23] Originally by: MeBiatch question? if you make it move faster and more agile... wont it make take the canes roll? Not really, for a variety of reasons. The cane would still be faster/more agile, cost less, and it would be using med guns. 1400s may look really impressive, but that's before you account for their ** tracking and battleship sig res. Quote: they would have to change the discription... cuss from what i read it looks like its supposed to be a long range fleet ship... Descriptions are useless, and have always been so. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.04.06 20:23:00 - [24] Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 06/04/2010 20:06:00 Originally by: Trader20 It's a battleship, trust me. Learn ur roles and shiptypes before posting It may look like it when you show info, but try actually flying one. It doesn't perform anything like what I'd expect a battleship to perform like. It performs like a slightly oversize battlecruiser - and that's a great niche for it to be in. IMO, they should expand upon that niche. :) -Liang Ed: Bear in mind that I have all 4 racial battleships at 5... all but Amarr twice. :) Bear in mind that you are still clueless about eve after skilling up to lvl5 on all bs. What do you think that your char skills have any relevance on your knowladge? Not at all. Tempest 2nd best sniper after apoc. It is a good sniper. Its capless weapon huge alpha better speed is much better than a small decrease in ehp. Also it can do many thing,with different fittings well enough ,if you think that isnt enough you have trained the wrong race, go for amarr if you want ehp/dps only.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.04.06 20:25:00 - [25] Edited by: Zeba on 06/04/2010 20:25:32 Not to poke holes in your overall argument(i'll let liang do that) I would say that ship descriptions are about as relevant to how the ship is used and performs as opinions over what nostradamus quatrains mean. edit: bah beaten to the punch. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
Liang Nuren The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.06 20:41:00 - [26] Originally by: Naomi Knight Bear in mind that you are still clueless about eve after skilling up to lvl5 on all bs. What do you think that your char skills have any relevance on your knowladge? Not at all. Naomi, you've repeatedly shown that you have an extreme agenda, and belittle anyone that gets in your way. I'm sorry that I actually care about game balance and don't want Caldari (and now Gallente it seems?) to be WHAT THE ** OMG BBQ overpowered. Quote: go for amarr if you want ehp/dps only. What the - did you even read my post? I didn't ask to increase it's DPS/EHP. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2010.04.06 20:46:00 - [27] Edited by: Seriously Bored on 06/04/2010 20:46:30 Originally by: Naomi Knight Bear in mind that you are still clueless about eve after skilling up to lvl5 on all bs. What do you think that your char skills have any relevance on your knowladge? Not at all. Tempest 2nd best sniper after apoc. It is a good sniper. Its capless weapon huge alpha better speed is much better than a small decrease in ehp. Also it can do many thing,with different fittings well enough ,if you think that isnt enough you have trained the wrong race, go for amarr if you want ehp/dps only. You're telling him he trained the wrong race, shortly after acknowledging that he trained all of them equally. And I thought you were a laser fanatic, Naomi? I would agree that I'd rather use a Tempest for sniping rather than a Mael. I can't cite my reasons why at the moment, even though its "huge alpha" is significantly less huge than the Mael's... (or even an Arty Apoc's)
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.04.06 20:56:00 - [28] Originally by: Seriously Bored Edited by: Seriously Bored on 06/04/2010 20:46:30 Originally by: Naomi Knight Bear in mind that you are still clueless about eve after skilling up to lvl5 on all bs. What do you think that your char skills have any relevance on your knowladge? Not at all. Tempest 2nd best sniper after apoc. It is a good sniper. Its capless weapon huge alpha better speed is much better than a small decrease in ehp. Also it can do many thing,with different fittings well enough ,if you think that isnt enough you have trained the wrong race, go for amarr if you want ehp/dps only. You're telling him he trained the wrong race, shortly after acknowledging that he trained all of them equally. And I thought you were a laser fanatic, Naomi? I would agree that I'd rather use a Tempest for sniping rather than a Mael. I can't cite my reasons why at the moment, even though its "huge alpha" is significantly less huge than the Mael's... (or even an Arty Apoc's) Only the first line is for Liang the rest is for those who thinks tempest needs a boost. No no Im not a fanatic but I dont like if one race is way better than the other, see I like balance thats all , if matar were the weakest one I would be a matar "fanatic". I dont say that matar doesnt have bad ships ,but tempest isnt one of those and matar has already way more good ships than the other races ,maybe except amarr--> so gall/caldari need a boost thats all^^
Nora Rage Heroes. Talos Coalition	Posted - 2010.04.06 21:00:00 - [29] Pff... great RR BS ship with 2 Reps, and room for ECCM, Cap booster and usual tackle while still having decent tank and dps. Great sniper with amazing alpha for very cheap. Great nano BS with shield tank and nice gank.
Liang Nuren The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.06 21:30:00 - [30] Originally by: Naomi Knight if matar were the weakest one I would be a matar "fanatic".... so gall/caldari need a boost thats all Fortunately, I believe you on the first part. The part that's really confusing is that you constantly attack everyone despite them actually agreeing with you. I've been a vocal supporter of a Gallente boost since before the thought ever crossed your mind. You claim that I don't know my ***, but I argued in favor of both the Amarr and* the Minmatar boosts... and they both got boosted. When I come to a thread, I come with facts about the game - you come with not-quite-clever snide remarks about anyone that disagrees even by degree. News flash: the game isn't purely in black and white... just because something is more powerful here or there doesn't mean it's more powerful everywhere. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire

The Djego Minmatar Hellequin Inc. Mean Coalition	Posted - 2010.04.06 21:40:00 - [31] Originally by: Liang Nuren I'd rather they made it faster and more agile and maybe increased its scan res. :) -Liang Nothing to add here(except a bit more base Cap would be nice). While I was a big fan of 10% Damage + Falloff bonus before the projectile changes, with the changes to TEs the ship can archive a very good range now(and more important DPS at range). Combined with it's speed and utility it is actually a lot better than it looks in EFT(mostly by fitting a lot better in the meta game than other BS for forcing people into fights). Reminds me quite a bit on how it was to use a solo BS pre QR. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
AmIDeadyet	Posted - 2010.04.06 22:13:00 - [32] Ive flown a Tempest in fleet, and as much maligned as it is, i think it is a solid boat. It can do with 6 guns what some can do with 7-8. I like the bonuses, and even the high slot layout is fine with me, but the thing I wish for is a mid/low slot rework. Shift one mid to a low, or vice versa, and I think that will go a long way to defining the roll of the Tempest. With an extra low, you can field a decent armor tank and still have damage mods/TEs, if you took a low and increased a mid, you'd have a "decent" shield buffer capable ship with respectable dps. Right now its too gimped on either front to be considered better than anything else the Minmatar have to offer. More shields? Go Maelstrom. More armor? Go typhoon, and either ship will do more dps to boot. CCP just needs to define the ships role via a comprehendable slot layout.
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.04.06 22:41:00 - [33] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Naomi Knight if matar were the weakest one I would be a matar "fanatic".... so gall/caldari need a boost thats all Fortunately, I believe you on the first part. The part that's really confusing is that you constantly attack everyone despite them actually agreeing with you. I've been a vocal supporter of a Gallente boost since before the thought ever crossed your mind. You claim that I don't know my ***, but I argued in favor of both the Amarr and* the Minmatar boosts... and they both got boosted. When I come to a thread, I come with facts about the game - you come with not-quite-clever snide remarks about anyone that disagrees even by degree. News flash: the game isn't purely in black and white... just because something is more powerful here or there doesn't mean it's more powerful everywhere. -Liang Yeah and lets see where that 2 matar/amarr boost put us? Oh amarr/matar are being op if you compare them to gall/caldari. Thank you this is what we have needed... Not black and white? Werent you the one who said in fleet battle only ehp and dps matter and nothing else at a given range? And wanted a matar boost because minmatar battleships couldnt do as much dps/ehp as the amarr ones? Yes you were. Same here tempest doesnt have the best dps/ehp and suddenly it needs a boost, even if it has many other advantages over the other battleships. Better speed/agility would put it into battlecruisers class with 75m3 drone bay, large weapons and heavy neut. Yeah it wouldnt be op at all... Btw it doesnt realy need better scan res the hurricanes are already alphaing nearly everything before anyone else can get a lock on the target ,we dont need a ship which does 2.5 times as much volley dmg.
Lt Angus Caldari the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2010.04.06 22:54:00 - [34] I love the new tempest, shame i can only fly them well on my alt please resize your signature to the maximum allowed file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Liang Nuren The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.06 23:03:00 - [35] Originally by: Naomi Knight Yeah and lets see where that 2 matar/amarr boost put us? Oh amarr/matar are being op if you compare them to gall/caldari. Thank you this is what we have needed... Yeah because I was in charge of the exact boosts that needed delivered. The arguments all boiled down to: - Amarr Arguments; the Apoc/Prophecy/Omen/Maller (and to a lesser extent the Zealot) are all extremely poor ships. The reasons generally ranged from a lack of a damage bonus to a lack of fittings. The Pilgrim kinda got shafted on the NOS changes. CCP boosted them to be FOTM. - Minmatar: Pretty much as a rule the ships were crap, sans the Vagabond and Rapier [which got nerfed]. There were lots of ideas for fixing them - most of which were not as comprehensive as what we actually saw. I argued that CCP should tone lasers down or boost projectiles and hybrids. CCP boosted projectles to be roughly equal to lasers. - Gallente: Hybrids don't deal enough damage. Rails lack 10-15% damage, and blasters need 20%+ more damage with the way the current metagame is working out. - Caldari: Fix Roflkits, Caldari hybrids, and fittings on certain ships. Quote: Not black and white? Werent you the one who said in fleet battle only ehp and dps matter and nothing else at a given range? And wanted a matar boost because minmatar battleships couldnt do as much dps/ehp as the amarr ones? Yes you were. Yes, and I stand by it. And the funny thing is that Amarr is still better than Minmatar at fleet warfare. If you recall, I SAID THIS IS OK... Minmatar should focus on small gang warfare. Quote: Same here tempest doesnt have the best dps/ehp and suddenly it needs a boost, even if it has many other advantages over the other battleships. When are you going to learn to read? I haven't brought up DPS/EHP at all in this thread. Quote: Better speed/agility would put it into battlecruisers class with 75m3 drone bay, large weapons and heavy neut. Yeah it wouldnt be op at all... Btw it doesnt realy need better scan res the hurricanes are already alphaing nearly everything before anyone else can get a lock on the target ,we dont need a ship which does 2.5 times as much volley dmg. Yes, because Tempests and Hurricanes are totally taking over Eve. That's why when I looked at a recent killmail there were 2 Abaddons and 10 Armageddons and a Domi on it. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Seishi Maru Ministry of War	Posted - 2010.04.06 23:11:00 - [36] Tempest main issue is less about individual capability but being overshadowed by its brothers in minmatar line. I see 2 ways to easily fix it. Give it a bit more agility, as people said, making it the most agile battleship and the less massive. No need to be more agile or less heavy then the current most agile and less massive battleship. Make it weight as a Dominix and as agile as a scorpion (yes for god's sake look wich battleships are the most agile ones wtf?!!! ) Add a tiny bit more PG and would open up a lot of nice possibilities for the ship. Increase lock range a tiny bit and make its life easier in fleet (only a tiny bit is enough)
Zarnak Wulf	Posted - 2010.04.06 23:23:00 - [37] It's a good pirate ship. I like having a cap booster, tracking computer, web, MWD, and 24km point in the mids. 650mm II's and two heavy neuts in the highs. You can fit enough gank and tank in the lows and rigs to make it rakish with the two masts and all. Some points that have not been brought up: AC have the best tracking. With a tracking computer it can easily hit cruisers and BC. At 340m signature radius other BS can't hit it for full damage as easily. The only smaller BS is the Typhoon at 320m. Two heavy nuets! It's vertical. The problem I've had with the ship is when in fleet battles you have to fit it to conform. Every other BS seems to fit a fleet role better. A bigger complaint to me is that BS are worth so many points on a killboard. HACS which cost the same or more and aren't insurable seem to be worth less points then the BS. If it wasn't for that I'd bust out a tempest for limited roams more often.
Demolishar G-Force Enterprises Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.04.06 23:45:00 - [38] Tempest is FINE. 5 Midslots + Armor Tank + Insane Volley Damage + Great Base Scanres + Rarely primaried = awesome, killmail whoring, final blow stealing, durable Fleet BS.
Seishi Maru Ministry of War	Posted - 2010.04.06 23:52:00 - [39] rarely primaries? You mean the BS with least EHP on common fleets rarely primaried? The only reason to not primary tempests would be if the engagement is already further than 180 km that severely cripple the tempest damage already, making other battleships more relevant. As some have said, tempest only need SLIGHT adjustments, very slight.
MeBiatch	Posted - 2010.04.07 00:55:00 - [40] update to op: page 1 Originally by: MeBiatch Edited by: MeBiatch on 07/04/2010 00:51:59 So i here there have been lots of people ragging on the tempy lately saying its still a broken ship... even after the projectile boost.... This is my idea that might fix the ship... step 1: Add PG(ship is hurting as it is and needs some sort of pg slot to fit the BIG guns) [EDIT}Step 2: one possible idea from Liang is to make is a bit faster/agile and increase its optimalrange/locktime I think if CCP did this the ship would no longer be broken and would become very popular once again... updated ship discription: The Tempest is one of the Republic Fleet's key vessels; a versatile gunship skillfull in the art of Guerrilla Warfare and capable of dishing out devastating damage with great effectiveness. A well-rounded squadron of Tempests has been proven time and time again to be an invaluable wild card in a fleet battle, one which opponents should ignore at their own peril.

Demolishar G-Force Enterprises Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.04.07 03:38:00 - [41] Originally by: Seishi Maru rarely primaries? You mean the BS with least EHP on common fleets rarely primaried? The only reason to not primary tempests would be if the engagement is already further than 180 km that severely cripple the tempest damage already, making other battleships more relevant. I'm speaking from experience, not conjecture. Every fight I've been in, the Armageddons and Megathrons are the first to go down, followed closely by the Apocalypses and Abaddons, and the rest of the BSes are left for last.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.04.07 03:43:00 - [42] Originally by: Zarnak Wulf A bigger complaint to me is that BS are worth so many points on a killboard. HACS which cost the same or more and aren't insurable seem to be worth less points then the BS. If it wasn't for that I'd bust out a tempest for limited roams more often. Proof positive that killboards cause brain damage.. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
Kingwood Amarr V.I.P Industries United Front Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.07 03:55:00 - [43] The Tempest is much better than what it looks like in EFT. I am skilling Min BS 5 now because of this ship (Torps are on the agenda, though, for the Phoon). It has speed and range over the Phoon, and much better speed over the Maelstrom. It might lose in the BS 1vs1 where everyone stays at 500m not moving and just blasting away, but its ability to move fast, deal good DPS and neut tacklers is something people tend to forget when looking at EFT figures. This ship is the best BC in game, and excellent for Lowsec solo and small gang roaming. If anything, CCP should look at expanding this role and increasing agility/speed is something I would welcome very much. I've only recently joined a small 0.0 corp, I do not know yet how it performs in the same solo/small gang role there (lol Dramiel gangs).
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.04.07 04:04:00 - [44] Originally by: Kingwood This ship is the best BC in game Freudian slip much? And yes a bit moar speed, agility and scan res would be quite nice as I am about to flip minnie bs to 5 on my combat alts. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
Kingwood Amarr V.I.P Industries United Front Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.07 04:07:00 - [45] Edited by: Kingwood on 07/04/2010 04:10:30 Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Kingwood This ship is the best BC in game Freudian slip much? And yes a bit moar speed, agility and scan res would be quite nice as I am about to flip minnie bs to 5 on my combat alts. No, was said on purpose. Edit: I found a very nice vid yesterday of some Tempest footage by Tresta Rotnor, "Boat Violence 3". She flies it armor tanked but it shows what the Pest can do in the hands of a skillful pilot.
Typhado3 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.04.07 06:18:00 - [46] hyperion sig res: 110 tempest sig res: 100 wasn't minmatar supposed to have some sorta big lock time advantage to make them better for hit and run? Ah well we never wanted that racial strength anyway. ------------------------------ God is an afk cloaker
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.04.07 07:21:00 - [47] 1) Tempest needs a more pronounced personality. Mael is a solid, slow brick of neat damage. Phoon is where versatility is at (for Minmatar). Tempest... wut? Something, probably not damage related, should happen to carve it a niche. And not just a "speed" etc. buff because that's just a buff but not a real personality. 2) About the claims about Minmatar ships being so good already etc. etc. Sadly much of the game is about capitals warfare, where Minmatar are laughable, the only saving grace being "it looks cool" or "it's vertical!". Quite makes up for the goodness at sub cap size, to know that the path you specialized into for a year has no real reason to be continued into capitals and you should have gone Amarr instead. Quote: Rarely primaried = awesome, killmail whoring, final blow stealing, durable Fleet BS. Rarely primaried is because it's not relevant at classic long range battles, every FC I fleeted with, called for the other BSes first. Expecially Megas and Geddons. Quote: wasn't minmatar supposed to have some sorta big lock time advantage to make them better for hit and run? Ah well we never wanted that racial strength anyway. We also did not want those target painters, our RP proxy enemies Caldari make the best use of that. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.04.07 07:58:00 - [48] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha We also did not want those target painters, our RP proxy enemies Caldari make the best use of that. The Typhoon (the really good Minmatar BS) really likes its target painter. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.04.07 10:56:00 - [49] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 07/04/2010 08:15:40 Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha We also did not want those target painters, our RP proxy enemies Caldari make the best use of that. The Typhoon (the really good Minmatar BS) really likes its target painter. Artillery likes painted targets as well. Of course it's the minnie BS able to effectively employ missiles... but it's not exactly the rule for us afaik. Also, artillery likes painted targets, but the general (ie BC, BS etc) ship minnie fit tends not to have enough slots for them. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Arrador	Posted - 2010.04.07 13:31:00 - [50] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 07/04/2010 08:15:40 Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha We also did not want those target painters, our RP proxy enemies Caldari make the best use of that. The Typhoon (the really good Minmatar BS) really likes its target painter. Artillery likes painted targets as well. Of course it's the minnie BS able to effectively employ missiles... but it's not exactly the rule for us afaik. Also, artillery likes painted targets, but the general (ie BC, BS etc) ship minnie fit tends not to have enough slots for them. Maybe if you stopped shield tanking your minnie ships - you'd find out what to do with those mid slots. :P

Andrea Skye Caldari The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.04.07 13:37:00 - [51] Tempest is awesome. Does not need anything changed.
Ernesto DaSilva	Posted - 2010.04.07 13:55:00 - [52] Originally by: Arrador Maybe if you stopped shield tanking your minnie ships - you'd find out what to do with those mid slots. :P Maybe Tracking Computers because the Armor Plates just kicked the Tracking Enhancers out of the lows? :P
Torpir Lee Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.04.07 14:27:00 - [53] I like the Tempest. You can bring it on BC gangs and get great performance, and you can bring it on sniper fleets and laugh as you get amazing cap stable DPS on structures(that doesn't even scratch your ammo reserves), while maintaining solid to great sniping performance depending on how considerate your FC is. If you armor tank it, you get some nice bomb resistance due to the low sig radius as well.
Hilaina	Posted - 2010.04.07 15:51:00 - [54] Originally by: Seishi Maru rarely primaries? You mean the BS with least EHP on common fleets rarely primaried? The only reason to not primary tempests would be if the engagement is already further than 180 km that severely cripple the tempest damage already, making other battleships more relevant. FAIL... they aren't primaries because they arent as threatening look at it this way you have a pit-bull and a boarder collie both running at you both are going to bite you but you only have time to kill one before it happens. while yes, the boarder collie biting you isnt going to feel good in any way, its going to be a hell of a lot less damaging than the pit. i think the pest could definitely use some slight improvements to its speed, agility, and targeting speed, but only slight to really bring out its potential and not make it overpowered. i personally think all minmi ships could do with having that back to a degree with a small reduction to damage and ehp. but then again whats the point of being fast and small if your going to have a big target painted on you and lead boots on your feet?
Seishi Maru 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2010.04.07 17:49:00 - [55] You have reading fail. As I said tempest is only non threatening when is over a certain extreme range. At 150 km tempest deals FAR more damage than a sniper megatron. LEarn the REAL capabilities of ships before stating crap.
Trader20	Posted - 2010.04.07 18:38:00 - [56] Edited by: Trader20 on 07/04/2010 18:43:26 Originally by: MeBiatch Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 06/04/2010 20:06:00 Originally by: Trader20 It's a battleship, trust me. Learn ur roles and shiptypes before posting It may look like it when you show info, but try actually flying one. It doesn't perform anything like what I'd expect a battleship to perform like. It performs like a slightly oversize battlecruiser - and that's a great niche for it to be in. IMO, they should expand upon that niche. :) -Liang Ed: Bear in mind that I have all 4 racial battleships at 5... all but Amarr twice. :) question? if you make it move faster and more agile... wont it make take the canes roll? lol i could just imagine... ok people were going to a bc snipe gang... i want tempy's, harby's, brutix's and ferox... ok here is the discription... The Tempest is one of the Republic Fleet's key vessels; a versatile gunship proficient at long-range bombardment and capable of dishing out specialized types of damage with great effectiveness. A well-rounded squadron of Tempests has been proven time and time again to be an invaluable wild card in a fleet battle, one which opponents should ignore at their own peril. they would have to change the discription... cuss from what i read it looks like its supposed to be a long range fleet ship... its a bastardised BC now... CCP can you please make Minmatar have 3 bs's? thanks I can see it now.... Random person: so I saw ur lol tempest killmail, wats up with the nano's/speedmods? Liang: yea i speed tank my tempest, I make up bizare fits just to be different. I have every skill at lvl 5 so I know wat i'm doing. Random person: u have no clue dude thats why ur in a lol alliance I'd rather have some 1 day old noob who knows his ships roles then some vet cookie cutter fit rebel who is the definition of a "lolkm"
Terianna Eri Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2010.04.07 18:42:00 - [57] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Kingwood This ship is the best BC in game Freudian slip much? And yes a bit moar speed, agility and scan res would be quite nice as I am about to flip minnie bs to 5 on my combat alts. No, the Tempest is the best BC in the game, sort of how the Machariel is the best cruiser in the game ________________ Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
Liang Nuren The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.07 18:44:00 - [58] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 07/04/2010 18:45:55 Originally by: Trader20 I can see it now.... Random person: so I saw ur lol tempest killmail, wats up with the nano's/speedmods? Liang: yea i speed tank my tempest, I make up bizare fits just to be different. I have every skill at lvl 5 so I know wat i'm doing. Radom person: u have no clue dude thats why ur in a lol alliance Comments: - I have lost a half dozen Tempests in my Eve career, and all of them because I insisted on treating it like a battleship. :) - There are extremely reasonable explanations for nano fitting a Tempest. Like not being forced to roll around with 150 of your buds in triple plated Geddons. Not that I expect you to understand the value of being able to evade poor situations better than other battleships, or even roll in BC gangs. - So pretty much everyone with experience flying the Tempest says that they treat it like a big BC, and you continue to try to make fun of it. - I can see that when your arguments fail you are reduced to ad hominem Basically, my entire response to you can be summed up as: with a little bit of /facepalm -Liang Ed: And in case you missed it... flying a Tempest like that IS the cookie cutter fit these days. -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Trader20	Posted - 2010.04.07 18:57:00 - [59] Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 07/04/2010 18:45:55 Originally by: Trader20 I can see it now.... Random person: so I saw ur lol tempest killmail, wats up with the nano's/speedmods? Liang: yea i speed tank my tempest, I make up bizare fits just to be different. I have every skill at lvl 5 so I know wat i'm doing. Radom person: u have no clue dude thats why ur in a lol alliance Comments: - I have lost a half dozen Tempests in my Eve career, and all of them because I insisted on treating it like a battleship. :) - There are extremely reasonable explanations for nano fitting a Tempest. Like not being forced to roll around with 150 of your buds in triple plated Geddons. Not that I expect you to understand the value of being able to evade poor situations better than other battleships, or even roll in BC gangs. - So pretty much everyone with experience flying the Tempest says that they treat it like a big BC, and you continue to try to make fun of it. - I can see that when your arguments fail you are reduced to ad hominem Basically, my entire response to you can be summed up as: with a little bit of /facepalm -Liang Ed: And in case you missed it... flying a Tempest like that IS the cookie cutter fit these days. lol so much fail in this one If ur in a gang of bs's (rr, camps, fleet, watever) wats the advangtages of being quicker then the rest of the gang? You have tackle, and the rest of ur bs "buds" will be going at the same pace as you, so the only reason I see to speed mod a bs is to A: run away or B: try to get lolkm of the month. If u want speed/mobility get in a hac/cruiser/af/frig/etc gang, u know the roles they were made for? Be "different" all u want but ur making urself look like a fool. And the sad thing is u call urself a vet but I've seen noobs with more skills/common sense then u.
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2010.04.07 19:10:00 - [60] Edited by: Seriously Bored on 07/04/2010 19:10:42 Originally by: Trader20 If ur in a gang of bs's (rr, camps, fleet, watever) wats the advangtages of being quicker then the rest of the gang? Your logical (and perhaps reading comprehension) failure is that you assumed he would be in a gang of BSs. There are other Minmatar ships for that.

Liang Nuren The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.07 19:13:00 - [61] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 07/04/2010 19:14:51 Originally by: Trader20 If ur in a gang of bs's (rr, camps, fleet, watever) wats the advangtages of being quicker then the rest of the gang? If you're in a sniper gang, you should be in a MAELSTROM. If you're rolling an armor RR BS gang, you should be in a TYPHOON. One of the advantages of being able to fly anything with reasonable skills is that you have the freedom to choose the right tool for the job. The thing about it isn't that I'm trying to be "novel" or "witty" or "different" - the thing is that I'm using the ship in a way that works. And, if you bothered to read the thread you'd see that it works very well in that way. Well enough that most of us think it needs only a small nudge further in that direction - as opposed to some sort of massive overhaul if you want to try and treat the Tempest as an actual battleship. The rest of your post follows similar faulty logic. -Liang Ed: Don't miss SB's post on the previous page. :) -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
To mare Amarr Advanced Technology	Posted - 2010.04.07 19:24:00 - [62] tempest is almost ok. i would love to see the ship get a mass reduction (like a cheap version of the mach) do not change its bonus or the slot layout!
Crest Cutty	Posted - 2010.04.07 19:59:00 - [63] Lending my support for the increase of pest agility+speed/reduction of mass... Reducing mass/increasing agility while increasing scan res would go miles towards making this ship fill it's unique role as a hit and run sniper/roaming gang dps platform. Giving the pest more agility would keep in line with the matar hit and run tactics while being held together with roll upon roll of duct tape. As far as the balance issue goes...matar have been hit with the nerf bat pretty damned hard. Rapiers are pretty weaksauce, vagas aren't flown anymore by anyone with half a brain since they went up to around 140m a pop (cynbals fotm, maybe t2 insurance will fix this though), lol matar caps, claymore suffers from the same problem as the other fleet command ships, mael is a damned slow sniper ship (but good in pve) and the pest is struggling for an identity. T1 frigs/cruisers, assault ships, eaf's are pretty lol all around Cane and munin's are cool, slepi is fun in small gangs, phoon requires 40m sp to be effective but works, scimi works, sabre is too damned expensive, <3 stileto (although it's suffering from "because of dramiel") I'd like to see the pest either take over as the sniper ship of choice (increase locking distance, more scan res, a bit more grid/cap to fit rr, swap a mid <-> low) and relegate the mael to the pve roll it excels at or Give it an unique roll as an over-sized BC (undersized bs?) increase speed+agility, increase shield hp/reduce armor, more cpu for shield rr, more scan res. on a side note: I'd love to see the phoon get rid of that stupid split weapon system, get a bonus to armor resists and become the flying tank it should really be. Would go a long way to defining matar bs roles since you wouldn't have the case of "but the phoon can do that..."
Trader20	Posted - 2010.04.07 20:24:00 - [64] Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 07/04/2010 19:14:51 Originally by: Trader20 If ur in a gang of bs's (rr, camps, fleet, watever) wats the advangtages of being quicker then the rest of the gang? If you're in a sniper gang, you should be in a MAELSTROM. If you're rolling an armor RR BS gang, you should be in a TYPHOON. One of the advantages of being able to fly anything with reasonable skills is that you have the freedom to choose the right tool for the job. The thing about it isn't that I'm trying to be "novel" or "witty" or "different" - the thing is that I'm using the ship in a way that works. And, if you bothered to read the thread you'd see that it works very well in that way. Well enough that most of us think it needs only a small nudge further in that direction - as opposed to some sort of massive overhaul if you want to try and treat the Tempest as an actual battleship. The rest of your post follows similar faulty logic. -Liang Ed: Don't miss SB's post on the previous page. :) lol I just got done tellin u about ship roles and u write that rant that proves me right, I taught u something today, ur welcome.
Liang Nuren The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.07 20:32:00 - [65] Originally by: Trader20 lol I just got done tellin u about ship roles and u write that rant that proves me right, I taught u something today, ur welcome. I'd like to take this time to point out that you're a complete idiot. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.04.07 21:15:00 - [66] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Trader20 lol I just got done tellin u about ship roles and u write that rant that proves me right, I taught u something today, ur welcome. I'd like to take this time to point out that you're a complete idiot. -Liang Looks like only you are the one who is insulting people when they dont agree with you.
Liang Nuren The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.07 21:19:00 - [67] Originally by: Naomi Knight Looks like only you are the one who is insulting people when they dont agree with you. Which is funny, because you insult people when they DO agree with you. ;-) -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2010.04.07 21:20:00 - [68] CCP ****ed the Tempest, making it a maega/geddon clone
Seishi Maru 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2010.04.08 10:44:00 - [69] Problem with using the tempest as a BC is that is still too slow to tag along BC on a "best speed to XXX"order for example. IF tempest had agility a tad better than all current non machariel Battleships, and it had the mass of the Dominix then when nanoed it could likely tag along with heavy plated BC. Also tempest is NOT useless on a sniper gang, is jsut a bit inferior to the maelstrom. The price difference might start to mean somethign if the insurance changes are followed by introduciton of somethign to use the excessive minerals on market. Then it might start making sense to use temepst over malestrom on a few times.
Abbot Laarkin Order Of Mystical Mountain Monks	Posted - 2010.04.08 10:58:00 - [70] Originally by: Seishi Maru Problem with using the tempest as a BC is that is still too slow to tag along BC on a "best speed to XXX"order for example. IF tempest had agility a tad better than all current non machariel Battleships, and it had the mass of the Dominix then when nanoed it could likely tag along with heavy plated BC. Also tempest is NOT useless on a sniper gang, is jsut a bit inferior to the maelstrom. The price difference might start to mean somethign if the insurance changes are followed by introduciton of somethign to use the excessive minerals on market. Then it might start making sense to use temepst over malestrom on a few times. Depends how you fit the pest tbh. I like to fly it as a heavy BC (damage wise that is), as such the only "standard" fit Bc's that are faster are Shield and/ or nano cane (plated cane is slower and less manoeuvrable), and any deliberately speed (nanoed) fit Bc. Plate your Bc and the pest is faster, more manoeuvrable and almost certainly gankier. Ok so not much tank, and a fair bit more expensive than a Bc, but I've no problem with keeping up with a Bc gang. (Assuming that Bc gang is not made up solely of nano ships). And cost is not that much of an issue for me, depends on what you can afford tbh. ---- Originally by: Sir Carnage Originally by: Marko Riva Why does that read like they're all 12 and have an IQ of 37? I was under the impression they were 37 and had an IQ of 12

The Procurer	Posted - 2010.04.17 06:18:00 - [71] Originally by: Trader20 stuff... loltroll.
1600 RT	Posted - 2010.04.17 10:15:00 - [72] Originally by: The Procurer Originally by: Trader20 stuff... loltroll. lolnecro
NightmareX Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.17 12:37:00 - [73] Originally by: 1600 RT Originally by: The Procurer Originally by: Trader20 stuff... loltroll. lolnecro lolwhenwas9daysanecro?. If this had been like 1 month or something, then yeah, it would be more of a necro, but 9 days????.
Psiri	Posted - 2010.04.17 14:15:00 - [74] Minmatar BS V is on my list of things to train in the upcoming months. I intend to fly the Tempest, the only thing which may pherhaps change that would be CCPs plan to change how insurance works (I suspect that's their way of saying they'll make PvP even more costly to participate in). People say that the Tempest doesn't meet up to other battleships and I suppose that in a way it doesn't. However, it's one of the better ships for 1vs1 BS engagements and it's a useful sniper now that they boosted artillery alpha. It's one of the better battleships for dealing with sub-BS sized targets and its agility is almost not crippled. If you look at the Tempest as a beefed up BC it's suddenly looking alot more interesting.
Amarr Supremacist	Posted - 2010.04.17 14:19:00 - [75] NightmareX - or you could fly a Maelstrom that has better EHP, better DPS and higher alpha. You are stupid. ____________ Intigo - go visit www.eve-arena.com for the best Battleclinic killboard replacement yet!
NightmareX Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.17 14:26:00 - [76] Originally by: Amarr Supremacist NightmareX - or you could fly a Maelstrom that has better EHP, better DPS and higher alpha. You are stupid. Sorry, I don't fly a slow ass brick in fleet fights. Because when you get bubbled, you needs to get out of those bubbles, like very quick. And when you use a shield tank on the Tempest, then the Tempest is actually cheaper to lose over a Maelstrom. So no, you are the stupid one here.
Amarr Supremacist	Posted - 2010.04.17 14:49:00 - [77] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 17/04/2010 14:44:17 Originally by: Amarr Supremacist NightmareX - or you could fly a Maelstrom that has better EHP, better DPS and higher alpha. You are stupid. Sorry, I don't fly a slow ass brick in fleet fights. Because when you get bubbled, you needs to get out of those bubbles, like very quick. And when you use a shield tank on the Tempest, then the Tempest is actually cheaper to lose over a Maelstrom. And no, the Maelstrom does not have more DPS than my Tempest. The Maelstrom with 2x Gyros and 2x TE's does 716 DPS with 10692 alpha. My Tempest does 767 DPS with 10024 alpha. The Tempest have more optimal and falloff range than the Maelstrom. Maelstrom does 835 m/s, while the Tempest does 1067 m/s. And the Maelstrom have like 9k more EHP than my Tempest setup. So the only thing that is better with the Maelstrom is like 670 more alpha and 9k more EHP lol. Not worth it at all. So no, you are the stupid one here. Your Maelstrom fit sure is bad if you are getting those numbers. And Mael is more than fast enough to get out of bubbles, holy crap you are dumb. You don't use 2 Gyro + 2 TE on a Mael, you use 3 Gyros and 1 TE + 1 TC + 1 Locus rig. Why are you so stupid that you can't even fit ships properly? Also, stop pretending your Heavy Launchers are useful at all - they're a waste of slots much like you are a waste of air. ____________ Intigo - go visit www.eve-arena.com for the best Battleclinic killboard replacement yet!
Psiri	Posted - 2010.04.17 14:53:00 - [78] Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Your Maelstrom fit sure is bad if you are getting those numbers. And Mael is more than fast enough to get out of bubbles, holy crap you are dumb. You don't use 2 Gyro + 2 TE on a Mael, you use 3 Gyros and 1 TE + 1 TC + 1 Locus rig. Why are you so stupid that you can't even fit ships properly? Also, stop pretending your Heavy Launchers are useful at all - they're a waste of slots much like you are a waste of air. If anything's stupid it's arguing with NightmareX in a Tempest thread. There are no winners, only losers.
NightmareX Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.17 14:57:00 - [79] Edited by: NightmareX on 17/04/2010 15:05:06 Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 17/04/2010 14:44:17 Originally by: Amarr Supremacist NightmareX - or you could fly a Maelstrom that has better EHP, better DPS and higher alpha. You are stupid. Sorry, I don't fly a slow ass brick in fleet fights. Because when you get bubbled, you needs to get out of those bubbles, like very quick. And when you use a shield tank on the Tempest, then the Tempest is actually cheaper to lose over a Maelstrom. And no, the Maelstrom does not have more DPS than my Tempest. The Maelstrom with 2x Gyros and 2x TE's does 716 DPS with 10692 alpha. My Tempest does 767 DPS with 10024 alpha. The Tempest have more optimal and falloff range than the Maelstrom. Maelstrom does 835 m/s, while the Tempest does 1067 m/s. And the Maelstrom have like 9k more EHP than my Tempest setup. So the only thing that is better with the Maelstrom is like 670 more alpha and 9k more EHP lol. Not worth it at all. So no, you are the stupid one here. Your Maelstrom fit sure is bad if you are getting those numbers. And Mael is more than fast enough to get out of bubbles, holy crap you are dumb. You don't use 2 Gyro + 2 TE on a Mael, you use 3 Gyros and 1 TE + 1 TC + 1 Locus rig. Why are you so stupid that you can't even fit ships properly? Also, stop pretending your Heavy Launchers are useful at all - they're a waste of slots much like you are a waste of air. First of all, the Maelstrom setup i used now is the standard setup we use in IT Alliance. So don't blaim me for the setup. It's the same with the Tempest, it's the standard IT Alliance setup for the Tempest. And not only that, if you put 3 damage mods on a Mael, then for sure, i can put 3 damage mods on the Tempest again to do more dps than the Mael again, and still have more optimal and falloff than the Mael. And it's better to use 2x HML's than nothing. EDIT: With one Locus rig in the Maelstrom, it have 156 km optimal and 78 km falloff. But the Tempest have 152 km optimal and 84 km falloff, so the range is a little better on the Tempest anyways. Maelstrom have longer lock range than the Tempest though. It might help a little in some situations.
Pr1ncess Alia Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2010.04.17 15:09:00 - [80] Originally by: NightmareX First of all, the Maelstrom setup i used now is the standard setup we use in IT Alliance. So don't blaim me for the setup. It's the same with the Tempest, it's the standard IT Alliance setup for the Tempest. shut up. no one cares, no one cares, one more time, NO ONE CARES shut up. If your tired of everyone not liking you, try this: Discuss a topic at hand without saying "well my this and my that and my my my" like somehow because something is yours and your in it you can just ignore any stats and discussion at hand. And somehow people will care. I fit a tempest the other day. For the role, I realized I would have been much better off fitting a phoon. It was then I remembered why it has been so long since I fit a tempest. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the ship. Fact is the maelstrom DID replace the major roles of the tempest and while it is still a very versatile, not enough to justify it. You can't do much to it that I can think of without just increasing it's speed/mobility/agility/whatever and just make it the #1 zoom around pimpmobile... which I would completely support I also think the armor and shield was fine the way it was. "A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game."

NightmareX Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.17 15:12:00 - [81] When you look at the total stats on the Tempest and the Maelstrom they are about equal in performance. End of story. Something the Tempest is better than the Maelstrom at and then the Maelstrom is better than Tempest in something other. So it's all about what you prefer in fleet fights.
Amarr Supremacist	Posted - 2010.04.17 16:44:00 - [82] "Standard IT fit" - haha. At snipe range: Your fit does 329 DPS at 152+84 with ~69k EHP, 5811 alpha. Maelstrom (with proper fit) does 395 DPS at 152+72 with ~73.5k (pre overload) EHP, 6552 alpha. You want to argue that the Tempest is better because it has higher speed and 10k more falloff? Stop being dumb, NoobmareX. ____________ Intigo - go visit www.eve-arena.com for the best Battleclinic killboard replacement yet!
NightmareX Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.17 16:55:00 - [83] Edited by: NightmareX on 17/04/2010 16:58:59 EDIT: Reply will come.
Amarr Supremacist	Posted - 2010.04.17 17:10:00 - [84] Edited by: Amarr Supremacist on 17/04/2010 17:10:47 ...HMLs... And yeah, let's compare sniper BS at sub 80k range. Why are you so stupid Also, since you seem to ignore it - Maelstrom does more DPS at close range too. 626 vs 682. ____________ Intigo - go visit www.eve-arena.com for the best Battleclinic killboard replacement yet!
NightmareX Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.17 17:12:00 - [85] Edited by: NightmareX on 17/04/2010 17:16:37 Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Edited by: Amarr Supremacist on 17/04/2010 17:10:47 ...HMLs... And yeah, let's compare sniper BS at sub 80k range. Why are you so stupid Also, since you seem to ignore it - Maelstrom does more DPS at close range too. 626 vs 682. You clearly haven't seen how NC fight against us do you?. NC use to warp out and warp into us at like 30-40 km on us alot. But since we are long range fitted, we MWD a bit out from them. So we are pretty often inside 100 km to them. It's only when we are sitting and waiting on them on a gate that we are like 150-180 km from them. Or when we warp into them. But that's before they warp out and warp in on us again. Maelstrom does more damage at close range before you fit the 2x HML's on the Tempest. EDIT: Please say me that you don't use Heavy Drones on fleet setups?.
McRoll Minmatar Heatseekers	Posted - 2010.04.17 18:34:00 - [86] I like threads with Tempests and especially NightmareX inside^^
Amarr Supremacist	Posted - 2010.04.17 19:25:00 - [87] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 17/04/2010 18:39:41 Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Edited by: Amarr Supremacist on 17/04/2010 17:10:47 ...HMLs... And yeah, let's compare sniper BS at sub 80k range. Why are you so stupid Also, since you seem to ignore it - Maelstrom does more DPS at close range too. 626 vs 682. You clearly haven't seen how NC fight against us do you?. NC use to warp out and warp into us at like 30-40 km on us alot. But since we are long range fitted, we MWD a bit out from them. So we are pretty often inside 60-90 km to them. It's only when we are sitting and waiting on them on a gate that we are like 150-180 km from them. Or when we warp into them. But that's before they warp out and warp in on us again. Maelstrom does more damage at close range before you fit the 2x HML's on the Tempest. EDIT: Please say me that you don't use Heavy Drones on fleet setups?. Because if you do, then way to make you look ****ed, pal. You either use Light or Medium drones or both to defend your self against smaller targets, or you use remote armor / shield rep drones so you can rep your gang mates. If not, then your a complete noob. It's more damage with the HMLs as well. Drones not included, obviously - that would be stupid** to include. That is with your 3 TE/2 Gyro fit on the Tempest. ____________ Intigo - go visit www.eve-arena.com for the best Battleclinic killboard replacement yet!
Moonmonkey Amarr Orange Clover	Posted - 2010.04.17 19:28:00 - [88] 7 high 7 mid/5 mid 5 low/7 low 140 m/sec That is how I would like to see the Tempest, being able to pick from armour or shield slot lay out at the point of manufacturing would be even better.
lollerwaffle Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE	Posted - 2010.04.17 22:43:00 - [89] LOL at all the 'MY WAY IS THE ONLY RIGHT WAY TO DO IT. YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME THEREFORE YOU'RE WRONG AND STUPID' people in this thread Also, L2stay on topic. Can't wait to fly the pest myself, just waiting for t2 large projectiles to be ready ina coupla days Originally by: salva dore Cloak should not be AFK solution. What do you think? Originally by: AFK Cloaker
MeBiatch	Posted - 2010.04.18 02:20:00 - [90] The tempy is like a new minivan that handels like a crossover and would do great with a turbo and a positronic transmission....

Typhado3 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.04.18 06:45:00 - [91] Originally by: Psiri Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Your Maelstrom fit sure is bad if you are getting those numbers. And Mael is more than fast enough to get out of bubbles, holy crap you are dumb. You don't use 2 Gyro + 2 TE on a Mael, you use 3 Gyros and 1 TE + 1 TC + 1 Locus rig. Why are you so stupid that you can't even fit ships properly? Also, stop pretending your Heavy Launchers are useful at all - they're a waste of slots much like you are a waste of air. If anything's stupid it's arguing with NightmareX in a Tempest thread. There are no winners, only losers. this ------------------------------ God is an afk cloaker
To mare Amarr Advanced Technology	Posted - 2010.04.18 09:29:00 - [92] Originally by: Moonmonkey 7 high 7 mid/5 mid 5 low/7 low 140 m/sec That is how I would like to see the Tempest, being able to pick from armour or shield slot lay out at the point of manufacturing would be even better. no thanks tempest slot layout its fine


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