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Krist Valentine
Amarr
British Armoured Division
The G0dfathers
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Posted - 2010.04.07 17:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Quote:
cerb 3 BCS, HAMs 430 dps
drake 3 BCS, HAMs 450 dps (okay this one is a bit bigger)
Why are you ignoring the Drake's drone bay in those numbers? The actually difference is considerably larger.
urmm i believe hes ignoring the drone bay cause that would disprove his point xxx
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1600 RT
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Posted - 2010.04.07 18:47:00 -
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give it 100 or 125mb and maybe reduce the number of gun it can field
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Ceraci
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.04.07 19:08:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Trevor Warps
Yeah im a winner.
No, you're clearly an idiot. |
Last Wolf
Rage For Order
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Posted - 2010.04.07 19:26:00 -
[34]
Who puts blasters on a myrm? <3 Autocannons.
Also, look up Dru Essex. He has amazing results with the "nerfed" myrm.
Oh no you don't!
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Trevor Warps
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Posted - 2010.04.07 19:36:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Ceraci
Originally by: Trevor Warps
Yeah im a winner.
No, you're clearly an idiot.
Nope. You are tho ... Since you can't read or detect obvious sarcasm meant to insult somebody else.
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Boss Lemming
Gallente
BOUNTY. HUNTER. MINING. EXSPLORATION. CORPORATION.
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.04.07 19:42:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Trevor Warps
Edited by: Trevor Warps on 07/04/2010 19:37:10
Originally by: Ceraci
Originally by: Trevor Warps
Yeah im a winner.
No, you're clearly an idiot.
Nope. You are tho ... Since you can't read or detect obvious sarcasm meant to insult somebody else.
You are YET another reason why I hate these forums. Too many ****ing noobs.
Have you ever thought that maybe there is a reason everybody except for you is a noob?
As in: you're dumb.
Originally by: Alchemist's Alt
I stopped mining because you mean pirates kept blowing me up.[...] now I am doing all the blowing up. Shadow
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Zhilia Mann
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Posted - 2010.04.07 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
In reality, the Myrmidon wasn't all that powerful. Sure, it had awesome EFT dps, but you were limited to Ogre IIs that can't even catch frigates or cruisers, and you had no spares to replace them.
[pedant]I'm pretty sure the arguments were waged on Quickfit.[/pedant]
But yes, the same ideas apply. The Myrm is a slow armor tank that pretty much has to use a non-hybrid high slot weapon system so as not to get laughed off the field.
It used to be an active armor tanky compliment to the Ishtar and a valid stepping stone towards the Dominix.
It is by far the most useless tier 2 BC. In many situations it is outclassed by a Brutix and somewhat competitive with the other tier 1s.
At this time, there is no valid reason for a new pilot focused on drones to bother training for a BC. At all. Yes, the triple rep dual injector fit can do interesting things in the right hands, but given the skill load those hands could and should be flying both a Dominix and an Ishtar first.
The Myrm is broken. It has one gimped bonus and one bonus gimped by bandwidth.
And what's more, as Merin said, it's not like everyone and their cousin would simply field five 25mb drones. There are good reasons to carry a flight of lights. Not having the option, though, is ludicrous. The Myrm wasn't OP when it came out and it's simply underpowered now.
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Trevor Warps
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Posted - 2010.04.07 19:55:00 -
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Edited by: Trevor Warps on 07/04/2010 19:56:14
Originally by: Boss Lemming
Have you ever thought that maybe there is a reason everybody except for you is a noob?
As in: you're dumb.
Nah .. I do think that ppl get too easily their panties in a bunch tho ... I am very sorry ... I didn't want to hurt your girly feelings ... need a hug ?
All I'm doing is pointing out EFT warriors and clueless people trying to give clues ... because if I don't your noob ass will read it and think it is true.
I'm like working FOR the noobs, noob.
Also I don't think everybody is a noob, just you 3 guys so far today.
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.04.07 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Zhilia Mann
And what's more, as Merin said, it's not like everyone and their cousin would simply field five 25mb drones. There are good reasons to carry a flight of lights. Not having the option, though, is ludicrous. The Myrm wasn't OP when it came out and it's simply underpowered now.
Tbh: the 125m3 incarnation of the Myrm back in the day scoop&redeploy returned the drones with full shields and so on was OP compared to the alternatives. A ton of things changed since then, including a web nerf and so on.
Still, the current iteration is lacking imo, since it's got one bonus which is only useful in a certain type of fit (and for the really serious tank you better have access to drugs), and 75m3 is a bit too little. The ship in full gank mode just lacks that extra bit of DPS up close.
Sure, there are fun fits for it, but making it a more focused droneboat at expense of the rep bonus and a turret or two would yield both a more drone-oriented ship and a very well balanced one.
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Crest Cutty
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Posted - 2010.04.07 20:11:00 -
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What we really need are medium sentries. Better tracking, worse range/dps. Think this would make the myrm a reasonable step between vexor and domi. 15 bandwith, 20 m3, t2 damage round what t1 large sentries currently do.
Capitalize on it's ability to sit there and tank a ton of damage. Useful step for lvl 2-3 missions/engaging frigs+crusier+bc's in gangs. Give vexors a drone speed bonus and myr a drone range bonus while dropping mining yield bonus? (makes a good step between medium sentries in a myrm and large's in a ishtar?) |
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Serend
Gallente
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.04.08 22:21:00 -
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Medium sentries: excellent idea! (Why didn't I think of that?)
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Cor Aidan
Shore Leave
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Posted - 2010.04.08 22:51:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Crest Cutty
What we really need are medium sentries. Better tracking, worse range/dps. Think this would make the myrm a reasonable step between vexor and domi. 15 bandwith, 20 m3, t2 damage round what t1 large sentries currently do.
Capitalize on it's ability to sit there and tank a ton of damage. Useful step for lvl 2-3 missions/engaging frigs+crusier+bc's in gangs. Give vexors a drone speed bonus and myr a drone range bonus while dropping mining yield bonus? (makes a good step between medium sentries in a myrm and large's in a ishtar?)
Medium sentries are an interesting idea - but how on earth are they going to put the Myrm into a useful place above a Vexor, parallel with an Ishtar, and below a Dominix? Without a bandwidth change, a Myrm could field three of these Medium sentries, but it can already field three regular sentries so what would be the point?
I'd personally like to see 100mbit bandwidth, since that is an obvious intermediary step between normal cruiser drone boats and the Dominix. Maybe a 200m3 drone bay (after all, the Arbitrator has 150m3 and it's just a cruiser. We won't count the Ishtar because it is, of course, special).
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2010.04.08 22:57:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Cor Aidan
Medium sentries are an interesting idea - but how on earth are they going to put the Myrm into a useful place above a Vexor, parallel with an Ishtar, and below a Dominix? Without a bandwidth change, a Myrm could field three of these Medium sentries, but it can already field three regular sentries so what would be the point?
Err, 15 x 5 = 75, so the Myrmidon could use 5x of the proposed medium sentries.
But I don't think that is the solution, as it still leave the Myrmidon out-gunned by the Ishtar and completely outclassed by the Dominix (which could also use medium sentries if you want) in the tank "role" that is the only thing anyone uses the Myrmidon for.
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Cor Aidan
Shore Leave
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Posted - 2010.04.08 23:40:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Err, 15 x 5 = 75, so the Myrmidon could use 5x of the proposed medium sentries.
Awesome, the forums ate my previous attempt at a reply with "an internal error."
Short version: 5x of the proposed T2 medium sentries would actually have more damage than you'd get from four T2 sentries (50x1x5 > 50x1.2x4) (given 100mbit bandwidth). Plus the Vexor could also field the medium sentries with no spares, and there'd be no change between the status of the Ishtar and Myrm.
While medium sentries are an interesting idea in their own right, I don't see that they would help the Myrmidon "find its place" in the battlecruiser lineup.
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Orar Ironfist
Incarnation of Evil
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Posted - 2010.04.09 00:26:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: Cor Aidan
Medium sentries are an interesting idea - but how on earth are they going to put the Myrm into a useful place above a Vexor, parallel with an Ishtar, and below a Dominix? Without a bandwidth change, a Myrm could field three of these Medium sentries, but it can already field three regular sentries so what would be the point?
Err, 15 x 5 = 75, so the Myrmidon could use 5x of the proposed medium sentries.
But I don't think that is the solution, as it still leave the Myrmidon out-gunned by the Ishtar and completely outclassed by the Dominix (which could also use medium sentries if you want) in the tank "role" that is the only thing anyone uses the Myrmidon for.
I dont think medium sentries would be fair at all as the vexor would most likely be able to use them which would make the vexor awesomely op lol. i agree that the myrm needs fixing though bringing it back to 125m3 bandwith isnt the way to go (i flew one of the originals no matter your argument it was op i used to solo gank any other bc even some bs/cs).
Also heads up your sig makes me want to beat you in the face with something heavy (ingame)
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Tobias Xiaosen
Gallente
TX Holdings Company
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Posted - 2010.04.09 01:27:00 -
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I just feel obligated to post here since the Myrmidon is my favorite ship...
When it comes down to how well the ship performs, I don't think the issue at heart is solely the problem of the Myrmidon itself, but ties into how Gallente are right now are generally UP as a whole.
Specifically for the Myrm, I find it kinda stupid that even though it doesn't get a bonus for guns, it performs better with either lasers and especially projectiles. Pretty pathetic that for a race based around hybrids that a ship that isn't obligated to use them automatically performs better without them.
When it comes down to the drone issue, I agree that giving the Myrm a bonus to bandwidth up to 100 would be beneficial, but wouldn't entirely fix the problem. Being that it relies on an active tank which makes it so slow, I find the single biggest problem with the ship is actually its capacitor. It simply can not recharge fast enough or have enough cap overall to make the ship overtly useful.
The idea about medium sentries is pretty cool idea, and would work well with a Myrm. But as said before, it wouldn't solve the problems with the ship.
Still though, I think some of you may be exaggerating just how "useless" the Myrm is. It has a great slot layout, isn't locked into using failhybrids, can put out decent DPS and run a good tank, even with the bandwidth nerf. Before it was just plain OP. I love the ship. I wouldn't bother with it if I thought it was useless.
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Originally by: Cthulhu ftghan
Keyboards are destructible. Much more so when used as a projectile.
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Ryan Starwing
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Posted - 2010.04.09 02:22:00 -
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Here is something for you to know heavy drones are big and slow, and so those will not be able to attack small ships well. So wait till those heavies are like 10 km from the myrm and you should be able to pop 1 or 2 of them before the myrm is able to recall them removing alot of its dps. Also the myrm cant carry any spares and drones are most of its dps.
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente
SRS Industries
SRS.
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Posted - 2010.04.09 03:36:00 -
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I would personally love to see the "medium sentries" with the 15mb bandwidth suggested. Somebody make a proposal thread so I can support it!
Regarding high-sec mining:
Originally by: AmarrettoDiAmarr
3-4 million ISK/hr is perhaps .15 0r .20 US$/hr; not quite prison wages and you are around less honest people.
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Max Hardcase
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.04.09 06:01:00 -
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Just increase the drone bonus to 15% and keep bandwith at 75.
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Iamid Ichabod
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Posted - 2010.04.09 17:28:00 -
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To through another idea out there ... instead of changing dps, add a NOS bonus, so NOS always drains/returns cap (ie pre NOS nerf). This may allow MWD tanky fits and 2-2-1 drone drops?
NOTE: Tbo I don't pvp much (at all really) so no idea on balance, but always bothered me Myr got hit by 3-4 nerfs in a row NOS (perma active tanking), Bandwidth, Nanoish fits (all those lows), Blasters/other short range high dps (via web nerf). Also, bothered me Gallante has no drone bonused recon ships, so don't mind borrowing other races normal ewar bonuses for a BC ship. |
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Trevor Warps
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Posted - 2010.04.09 17:39:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Iamid Ichabod
NOTE: Tbo I don't pvp much (at all really) so no idea on balance
Yeah, if you have no idea dont try to give ideas.
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Iamid Ichabod
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Posted - 2010.04.09 19:52:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Trevor Warps
Originally by: Iamid Ichabod
NOTE: Tbo I don't pvp much (at all really) so no idea on balance
Yeah, if you have no idea dont try to give ideas.
For a person who claimed earlier in this to not post alot you sure do post a lot. Perhaps you should stop posting/reading.  See your logic above  |
Trevor Warps
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Posted - 2010.04.09 20:16:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Iamid Ichabod
For a person who claimed earlier in this to not post alot you sure do post a lot. Perhaps you should stop posting/reading. See your logic above
 Your better at forum pvp than game balancing thb
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Grut
The Protei
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Posted - 2010.04.09 20:20:00 -
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Swap the drone bonus to hybrids.
125mb bandwidth
remove 1 turret slot.
Fixed.
Kinsy > deadman you
there?
Kinsy > are either of us in
pods, becase we dont know...
Mostly harmless
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Oramin
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Posted - 2010.04.09 20:33:00 -
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Or the bandwidth could be reduced to 50 and the drone damage bonus could be increased to 12.5%/level.
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Rawls Canardly
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Posted - 2010.04.09 21:20:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Oramin
Or the bandwidth could be reduced to 50 and the drone damage bonus could be increased to 12.5%/level.
This would actually WEAKEN the myrmidon. Maybe reducing the vexor's bandwidth to 50?
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MWDrive
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Posted - 2010.04.09 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Rawls Canardly
Originally by: Oramin
Or the bandwidth could be reduced to 50 and the drone damage bonus could be increased to 12.5%/level.
This would actually WEAKEN the myrmidon. Maybe reducing the vexor's bandwidth to 50?
actully it isnt bad idea... just 12,5% would be too low... give it 20% maybe... 25% ?... dont know... doing math in my head... anyway, damage output stays the same (or slightly increased?) but you get more space for reserve/utility drones and useing medium drones means they get to target faster, better tracking etc...
though, then vexor also needs to be redesigned :) |
DearMotherOfGod
Tim and Sasha Savings and Loans
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Posted - 2010.04.09 22:09:00 -
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Edited by: DearMotherOfGod on 09/04/2010 22:10:31
Since the nerf i've only flown the myrm once and found the experience quite underwhelming, tbh I never understood what was so op about the 125mb myrm cept for the way nos worked at the same time(tho the same could be said for the domis/typhoons of that age).
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Iamid Ichabod
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Posted - 2010.04.09 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Trevor Warps
Originally by: Iamid Ichabod
For a person who claimed earlier in this to not post alot you sure do post a lot. Perhaps you should stop posting/reading. See your logic above
Your better at forum pvp than game balancing thb
Meh, was mostly a rant anyway.  (Myr was my 2nd fav boat to fly, vertical  ) |
Celia Therone
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Posted - 2010.04.10 00:54:00 -
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Edited by: Celia Therone on 10/04/2010 00:54:47
Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane
I would personally love to see the "medium sentries" with the 15mb bandwidth suggested. Somebody make a proposal thread so I can support it!
Imho, make medium sentries 20mb and up the myrmidon to 100 bandwidth. That way you aren't letting the vexor field a full 5 of them. I like the vexor, flew one a lot, and I don't think it needs more of a drone dps boost.
Edit: And up the myrmidon's bay a little more too, depending on the size of medium sentries.
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