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Lani Sun
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Posted - 2010.04.10 00:46:00 -
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your idea is flawed and will never get implented im sure.
becasue if it did, ill move my 3 reaserch and manufacturing alts into a new corp by themelsves and they will never have to worry about losing their stuff or pos which is worth billions, because their combined sp is low and there is no way a similar sp corp will have enough firepower to bust up their pos's.
but op, seriously if you cant stand wardecs in your corp move to a better corp or go back to npc corp. you can still do everything with your friends in an npc corp you can do in your own corp, without hassle of wardec.
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Altie McName
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Posted - 2010.04.10 05:09:00 -
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Many people play instruments, not many get to play with a symphony though. Same reasoning with creating a corporation, with a little time anyone can do it, but do they have the ability to make it worthy of lasting. Part of creating a corp is knowing the dangers, problems, and positives that come from it, desiring that you're immune to the effects as a means to test and experience running a corp without the downsides is not EvE style. Learn to run a corp and deal with the effects, it will be better in the long run then holding peoples hands when they could toy around with it on the test server.
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Aera Aiana
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Posted - 2010.04.10 11:26:00 -
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So, let's see. Grarr here, check. Valandril here, check. Tippia... Where's Tippia? WTH, I would have thought such a thread title would attract more than just two "I want my griefplay to be easier"-dudes. 
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Czert ElPrezidente
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.11 16:24:00 -
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 Originally by: Di Mulle
It is hard to interrupt skill training by wardeccing, isn't it...
When you use so much flawed logic, it is too hard to take your ideas seriously.
I think he meaned that you cant close up older players with skills with current system.
And it is VERY easy way to fix this problem that OP writen - wardecs take average age of members to acount, together with numbers of members in it (say fixed amount of 1m per member) and multiplier of age - say, if average age in wardec corp is 3x higher, then they pay 3x more than normal (and no discount if younger).
Fixed amount per member is to prevent cheating.
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Jack bubu
Lyonesse.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.11 16:36:00 -
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If you dont want to be wardecced, stay in NPC corp
easy.
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masternerdguy
Gallente
Caldari Naval Reserve
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Posted - 2010.04.11 16:39:00 -
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noobs do not deserve protection!
AT ALL!
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Torothanax
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Posted - 2010.04.11 16:41:00 -
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I'd like to see more new players in game. Sure eve is growing, but I'd wager a large part of that is older players starting new alt accounts.
If you are trying to get someone into... say paintball. You don't throw them out in the middle of an open field and let all the vets take pot shots at them. They won't like the game, they won't ever come back. They tell everyone they no how terrible it is.
Same thing here. You don't throw the new guy under the bus.
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Czert ElPrezidente
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.11 17:07:00 -
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Protecting noobs is onlyest way how to grow PLAYER base and not ALT base of vet players.
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Valandril
Caldari
Ex-Mortis
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Posted - 2010.04.11 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Czert ElPrezidente
Protecting noobs is onlyest way how to grow PLAYER base and not ALT base of vet players.
Lies, all lies. It is a way to grow carebearish player base, not pvp one.
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lookatzebirdie
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Posted - 2010.04.11 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Torothanax
I'd like to see more new players in game. Sure eve is growing, but I'd wager a large part of that is older players starting new alt accounts.
If you are trying to get someone into... say paintball. You don't throw them out in the middle of an open field and let all the vets take pot shots at them. They won't like the game, they won't ever come back. They tell everyone they no how terrible it is.
Same thing here. You don't throw the new guy under the bus.
RLanalogyFAIL.
If you want ur kid to swim, the best way apparently is just to throw them in the pool when very very young. Apparently the younger the better as they've not had time to develop preconceptions of "fear" about the water.
Many ancient tribal cultures had harsh initiation rites like the Sundance of the plains tribes of Native Americans or the Krypteia of the Spartans. These were intended to prepare the initiate for the dangers of the world they inhabited and whilst they seem barbaric by our modern civilized standards, they were necessary in the brutal and unforgiving environments/times in which these peoples lived.
Of course our real lives are not like this and such behavior would indeed be barbaric and cruel, but this game has far more in common with those ancient and brutal societies than it does with ours. Only the fittest survive, nowhere is safe and everything you own can be taken from you and yours at any time. The sooner new players experience this first hand and learn to evade or fight back or cope with it in whatever manner, the better for them. Better now when they have less to lose, than later when they could lose months worth of work.
There are many things we could do to make the EvE experience better for new guys, removal of learning skills would be an excellent start. Protecting them from wardecs is definitely NOT one of them, you think you'd be helping them, but you wouldn't ... youd be cutting their legs from under them.
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.04.12 00:23:00 -
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Move to better areas a possible solution? Have run an alt corp for months and never seen a war dec. Quiet piece of space where most happy to do what they do to play eve and call it a day (couple ninjya and can flip griefers corps in the area...don't give em no static don't get none kind of thing, they feed of the crap so I don't feed em).
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KaiserSoze434
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Posted - 2010.04.12 03:50:00 -
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NPC corps are there for noobs and can't be wardecced. Thats the point. Your friends left EVE because they don't like EVE. There are plenty of other games.
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Kalia Masaer
Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2010.04.12 07:44:00 -
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The best solution would probably be to not allow pvp hostilities to occur in 1.0 sec systems without concord intervening to at least allow a few safer havens with poorer minerals and agents. This would hence encourage people to want to leave the safe systems for better rewards but still allow them to avoid being harassed if they were willing to accept the poorer payouts. In eve there must always be consequences safety should equal a lower income.
A few adjustments to sec status and agents in some system could make this work. I really do feel there needs to be an option of how to avoid a war by basically a bunch of griefers looking for easy kills and nothing more against newbs. Eve isn't a nice place but no one finds it fun to be kneecapped before they even know how to play the game.
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suspisious
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Posted - 2010.04.12 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: lookatzebirdie
If you want ur kid to swim, the best way apparently is just to throw them in the pool when very very young. Apparently the younger the better as they've not had time to develop preconceptions of "fear" about the water.
True, but the parent is also there ready to jump in if something goes wrong.
How are you expected to learn pvp anyway when the corp who decked you is waiting outside with faction fitted T3 ships.
Originally by: lookatzebirdie
There are many things we could do to make the EvE experience better for new guys, removal of learning skills would be an excellent start. Protecting them from wardecs is definitely NOT one of them, you think you'd be helping them, but you wouldn't ... youd be cutting their legs from under them.
Protecting them from all wardecs is bad yes. But protection from compleetly onesided wars could work.
O, and yes on removing learning skills. Its just weird your first two weeks learning to learn.
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Ravenmorte
Caldari
Enigmatic Federation
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Posted - 2010.04.12 18:24:00 -
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There should be an option ,that corporate war is NOTY possible, unless both parties agree to this war.
Dont accept the war and other corporation takes 2x penalties and hostility towards concords as being illegal corporation. And must pay hefty finances in order to stay alive, thats the solution.
This all can be avoided, if: other company does not declare war back to the warring company.
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Czert ElPrezidente
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.12 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Valandril
Originally by: Czert ElPrezidente
Protecting noobs is onlyest way how to grow PLAYER base and not ALT base of vet players.
Lies, all lies. It is a way to grow carebearish player base, not pvp one.
Did you noticed that majority of old players is PVP and majority of younger are non-PVP.
It is logical, young players dont have enough income to become PVP.
If you have been PVP from begining, then you are firt one I know from 25 eve players (speaded among many corps). And yes, that players which I know and are older than 3 years very like PVP :).
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Czert ElPrezidente
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.12 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: lookatzebirdie
RLanalogyFAIL.
Many ancient tribal cultures had harsh initiation rites like the Sundance of the plains tribes of Native Americans or the Krypteia of the Spartans. These were intended to prepare the initiate for the dangers of the world they inhabited and whilst they seem barbaric by our modern civilized standards, they were necessary in the brutal and unforgiving environments/times in which these peoples lived.
Mayby you know, that native americans was steamroled by europens, despite thier rituals. Why ? It is simple - eurponeans have better technology, determination and more resources (manpower and others).
Simiarity to corp of old players wardecing corp of young players is mayby only coindicence :).
No one want imunity for youg corps from wardecing, only more difficult it for older corps.
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Abbot Laarkin
Order Of Mystical Mountain Monks
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Posted - 2010.04.12 19:12:00 -
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Just a few hints for new corps, or those that are considering starting a corp....
 Think about where you will form your corp. Starting a corp in a mission hub for example is not a great idea, this is an area where war-deccers will be on the lookout for nice fat easy targets. Think about starting somewhere off the beaten track until you gain some experience.
Consider the name of your corp. Calling your corp "UberLeetPsycoKillersInc." will prob get a few responses of "oh really, we'll see about that". Likewise "CarebearJuicyTargetsLtd." might also be a bad idea.
Make sure that you/ your corp-mates are aware that Eve is a game of consequences. As a small, new player corp, going around smack talking is going to draw the wrong kind of attention. Again, gain a little experience before you start acting tough, unless you are looking to pick a fight ofc.
Unless you really need the benefits that come from corp membership, consider just setting up a chat channel with your friends while remaining in a NPC corp for the time being. This does not usually have a huge impact on your game play, and will remove any possibility of being war-decced.
As mentioned before, being in a corp is a privilege, not a right. The cost for owning your own corp, and the benefits that come from it, is that you should be able to defend that corp if it is attacked. Being able to defend your corp is not solely dependant on your combat prowess. If you are a financially secure corp putting aside a contingency fund, to hire mercs for example, would be a good idea.
While random war decs do happen, in my experience most corps that get decced have done something to draw attention to themselves.
The trick here is to try and slip under the radar until such time as you are ready to take the necessary steps to defend yourselves.
Eve is all about consequences, make an effort to judge the consequences (and how you will deal with them) before you take any particular course, and you will find Eve to be a very rewarding game indeed.
Ignore the consequences, and you may as well paint a very large target on yourself.
Peace.
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Why does that read like they're all 12 and have an IQ of 37?
I was under the impression they were 37 and had an IQ of 12
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Czert ElPrezidente
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.12 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kalia Masaer
This would hence encourage people to want to leave the safe systems for better rewards but still allow them to avoid being harassed if they were willing to accept the poorer payouts. In eve there must always be consequences safety should equal a lower income.
A few adjustments to sec status and agents in some system could make this work.
But this is allready in game - reward for missions/minerals are related to sec status of system. Higher sec - worse minerals, and for agents.
If you have lvl2 q10 agent, teh you will get better reward in 0,6 system from him, that from same lvl/q agent in 1.0 with same standing.
And I dont speak about that, that better (quality) agens are mainly in lover sec systems.
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