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Irida Mershkov
Gallente Capsuleers of Doom Opticon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.10 09:47:00 -
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Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 10/04/2010 09:48:45 What the title says. Crew was the majority of current Polish politicians in office at the moment.
Quote: Polish President Lech Kaczynski and scores of others are believed to have been killed in a plane crash in Russia.
Quote: Officials in the Smolensk region said no-one had survived after the plane apparently hit trees as it came in for landing in thick fog.
Several other government figures, including the army chief of staff, were also thought to have been on board.
They were in Russia to mark the 70th anniversary of the Katyn massacre, when the Soviets killed thousands of Poles during WW2.
Edit: Corrected first sentence.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.04.10 10:01:00 -
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All the eggs in one basket. Now if that wasn't a tempting opportunity, I don't know what is. *tinfoilhat* --------
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Deaell Portt
Pink Bunnies C0VEN
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Posted - 2010.04.10 10:06:00 -
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['] Our president is dead, first lady and more great/important people. When i saw this in TV i feel speachless. I still dont believe in this.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.04.10 10:06:00 -
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My condolences to the families, friends and the people they served.
RIP
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Horatio Hornbowler
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Posted - 2010.04.10 10:40:00 -
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It's a great tragedy for our nation. My condolences... R.I.P. [*]
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Herr Wilkus
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Posted - 2010.04.10 10:59:00 -
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Yeah, I'm sure it was an accident. Just like the poisionings of journalists in exile and Ukrainian presidential candidates.
Putin is making a powerful statement here, especially important in an era where the US had been rendered completely impotent overseas by the election of Barack Obama.
Putin: "So, you Poles want to embarass Russia on the world stage by forcing us to acknowledge our atrocities? Well, have a nice flight...."
Criminal activity is second nature to the leadership in the Kremlin. Tampering with navigational equipment in such a way to cause a plane crash on a zero-visibility approach? Not hard to cover up with Russian authorities carrying out the subsequent 'investigation'.
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.10 11:08:00 -
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RIP
also this will be good material for tinfoilhat BTW awesome post OP you win the forums today
Originally by: CCP Adida The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente Capsuleers of Doom Opticon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.10 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Herr Wilkus Yeah, I'm sure it was an accident. Just like the poisionings of journalists in exile and Ukrainian presidential candidates.
Putin is making a powerful statement here, especially important in an era where the US had been rendered completely impotent overseas by the election of Barack Obama.
Putin: "So, you Poles want to embarass Russia on the world stage by forcing us to acknowledge our atrocities? Well, have a nice flight...."
Criminal activity is second nature to the leadership in the Kremlin. Tampering with navigational equipment in such a way to cause a plane crash on a zero-visibility approach? Not hard to cover up with Russian authorities carrying out the subsequent 'investigation'.
You are a dumbass.
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Herr Wilkus
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Posted - 2010.04.10 11:42:00 -
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News Flash: Russian news agencies are reporting that the crash was believed to have been caused by 'pilot error.'
Because we all know that the 'Air Force One' pilots who are made responsible for the safety of high officials and presidents - are really just idiots who don't know an aileron from an elevator.
Predictable as it is pathetic.
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.04.10 11:48:00 -
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The biggest issue I have is that they can get away with it.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente Capsuleers of Doom Opticon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.10 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin The biggest issue I have is that they can get away with it.
Who exactly? the pilot who flew into trees in thick fog?
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Herr Wilkus
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Posted - 2010.04.10 11:57:00 -
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Nope. Irida, are you really that clueless? Zero-visibilty conditions meant the aircraft was on an instruments-only approach. Completely reliant on navigational equipment on the ground to bring it in safely.
Russian equipment. Subject to tampering by Russian agents. To be investigated by other Russian agents. Which will 'discover' nothing wrong, naturally.
I'm sure Putins rear-end kissing media will be claming the Polish pilot was drunk before too long.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente Capsuleers of Doom Opticon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.10 12:03:00 -
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No but the fact you're suggesting that the Russians would assassinate the entire Polish cabinet by crashing one of their planes into their own territory is quite absurd.
Provided of course, the pilot decided to change his landing location comapred to the recommended is another thing: Quote: "The pilot was advised to land in Minsk, but decided to land in Smolensk," said Andrei Yevseyenkov, a Smolensk regional government spokesman.
Not to mention that airplane crashes in ****-poor conditions are still tragically common. Maybe you could wait a week before jumping on the conspiracy bandwagon, go read a Tom Clancy novel whilst you wait.
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LoveKebab
Caldari Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.04.10 12:17:00 -
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Edited by: LoveKebab on 10/04/2010 12:17:52
omg polish president was well known with trying to have every1 do everything his way, we had example not long ago (less than a year even) back in Gorgia when he was told by the pilot that they aint gonna even fly through the Gorgian airspace with the open conflict ongoing and for that thing pilot was almost demoted cuz the President was forcing him to land at all cost and yet he did things his way - passanger safety comes 1st
so as new informations r comming out we hear more and more that they were specificly told by both Belarusian and Russian flight control NOT TO APROACH the airfield cuz of the thick mist and almost zero visibility, yet they said they gonna try to land and as bad as it looks im almost sure pilots (even tho they got the final word on what to do and what not to with the machine they r flying) were even forced to try and land
what normal pilot would try again after 2nd or even 3rd attempt to land yet again cuz pretty much every1 know how it would and even how it ended ... xVid4PSP MKV Encoding Tutorial |
Herr Wilkus
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Posted - 2010.04.10 12:46:00 -
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Aircraft making instruments only landings rely on a beam from the ground to give them the proper approach, whether its ILS or more modern system.
Adjust the angle of the beam, you can crash any plane. Any investigation by Russian authorities is guaranteed to find nothing wrong.
Russia has turned to underhanded, criminal violence to futher its political goals in the past (Ukraine, Georgia, now Poland), and will again in the future.
And, yes, once again they will get away with it.
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Bart Starr
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Posted - 2010.04.10 13:05:00 -
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Just out of curiousity, are Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton scheduled to fly into Russia anytime soon? Preferably on the same plane? One can always hope. (in game)
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Za'afiel
Gallente C.E.T.C.
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Posted - 2010.04.10 13:33:00 -
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I'm Polish, and I do believe it was an accident, when there is an official meeting, there is always rush, especially after flying around the airport for two hours waiting for the weather to get better. My guess is that the pilot was pushed by the officials to try to land (you have to know that there were also higher ranked army generals on the plane).
I would never suspect Russia or any other country to be involved in this. I have some Russian friends and they actually phoned me with condolences, although we usually write e-mails to each other.
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Unity Love
Caldari Dissonance Corp Primary.
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Posted - 2010.04.10 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Za'afiel
I would never suspect Russia or any other country to be involved in this. I have some Russian friends and they actually phoned me with condolences, although we usually write e-mails to each other.
Unless your russian friend is Putin pretty moot point.
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.10 15:07:00 -
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Off-topic comments and insults removed. Please keep this discussion civil. Thanks.
-- Shadow
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Iva Posavec
Posavec Innovations Takhar Matari
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Posted - 2010.04.10 15:11:00 -
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A very sad time for your country (if you supported / gave a damn about your current government). As for the tinfoil hat talk, none of us know much right now apart from the early reports and to immediately say it must have been the Russians is just a really stupid thing to say without anything to support such theory's (yes I am looking at you Herr Wilkus, you idiot).
Anyway my heart and thoughts go out to the families who have been hurt in the unfortunate incident. I also wonder if the factories in the UK will have to shut down while their staff have time off to grieve. Yes I know, it's too early for jokes.
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.10 15:52:00 -
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Funny thing about conspiracy theorists is that they can never be proven wrong. Any evidence contrary to their theory is to be dismissed as part of the coverup.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.10 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Herr Wilkus
Aircraft making instruments only landings rely on a beam from the ground to give them the proper approach, whether its ILS or more modern system.
Adjust the angle of the beam, you can crash any plane. Any investigation by Russian authorities is guaranteed to find nothing wrong.
Russia has turned to underhanded, criminal violence to futher its political goals in the past (Ukraine, Georgia, now Poland), and will again in the future.
And, yes, once again they will get away with it.
Yes, this would be the way it would be done *if* tinfoil was involved and would be completely unprovable unless the guy who twisted the dial to lower the glide scope talked.
Condolences to the greiving familys and the Polish nation. 07
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Vai Aaxone
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Posted - 2010.04.10 16:19:00 -
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still can't believe that happened. My friends girlfriend was among the crew.
ps. Smolensk airport doesn't have ILS system.
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Zions Child
Caldari Carthage Industries Consortium.
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Posted - 2010.04.10 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Borza Slavak Funny thing about conspiracy theorists is that they can never be proven wrong. Any evidence contrary to their theory is to be dismissed as part of the coverup.
Everyone saying that the Russians did is *don tinfoil hat* are people who dislike accepting the truth... People forget that most people generally don't like being responsible for the deaths of nearly a hundred people, and Smolensk airport is a civilian airfield. Think about it, if you were an air traffic controller, would you be willing to kill about 100 people to get at the leaders of a nation your country could obliterate in a few months of combat at most? Poland is <<<< Russia in terms of military strength, so I don't think even a Russian uber-patriot would have the mindset required to assassinate a hundred people.
Anyways, My condolences to the Polish people, and the families of those involved. This is a considerable tradgedy on the international scale. === Signature not appropriate - Adida
Originally by: CCP Shadow It's over, Prime
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente Capsuleers of Doom Opticon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.10 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Vai Aaxone still can't believe that happened. My friends girlfriend was among the crew.
ps. Smolensk airport doesn't have ILS system.
Oh damn, sorry for his loss.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.10 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Vai Aaxone ps. Smolensk airport doesn't have ILS system.
/tinfoil status: crumpled.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Malaclypse Muscaria
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Posted - 2010.04.10 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Borza Slavak Funny thing about conspiracy theorists is that they can never be proven wrong. Any evidence contrary to their theory is to be dismissed as part of the coverup.
Not to mention that all the evidence and motivation Herr Wilkus has to make his idiocy case here comes down to "I don't like Putin, so he must have done it". Dum dum dum!
Anyway, my condolences.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2010.04.10 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Zions Child Everyone saying that the Russians did is *don tinfoil hat* are people who dislike accepting the truth... People forget that most people generally don't like being responsible for the deaths of nearly a hundred people, and Smolensk airport is a civilian airfield. Think about it, if you were an air traffic controller, would you be willing to kill about 100 people to get at the leaders of a nation your country could obliterate in a few months of combat at most? Poland is <<<< Russia in terms of military strength, so I don't think even a Russian uber-patriot would have the mindset required to assassinate a hundred people.
Anyways, My condolences to the Polish people, and the families of those involved. This is a considerable tradgedy on the international scale.
Hello. My last name ends in -ski. I was born in Poland, making me quite Polish.
I'm also atheist, so I don't really care about the religious factors in this story.
I do not subscribe to conspiracy theories. I think JFK was shot by some guy in a book repository, not some guy on a grassy knoll. I think conspiracy theorists are paranoid schizophrenic idiots. I do not think that president Obama wants to euthanize your grandmother in an insurance death-panel. I do not think the fluoride in our drinking water is a mind-control agent, nor do I think the gaseous trails left by aircraft overhead are spraying mind-control chemicals to subdue and pacify us.
Nor do I think our recently deceased president was some kind of hero. Most Polish people, and all my relatives (we got 10+ phone calls about it this morning from relatives in Poland) think that our ex-prez was an idiot.
Regardless of the above facts, the following has occurred.
Our president, chief of army, chief of banks, religious figures, and numerous intelligentsia, boarded a plane set to travel to a ceremony, where they were due to commemorate the 70th anniversary of Russia killing Poland's generals, professors, doctors, bankers and teachers. In this incident 70 years ago, the Russians essentially annihilated the most prominent members of our society, and left the potato farmers and ditch-diggers to die of starvation. The plane was set to arrive pretty much at the site of the massacre.
Our leaders and army chiefs have been exterminated, on the 70th anniversary of our leaders and army chiefs being exterminated, at the very same place where it happened once before.
To Poland, our prez, regardless of stupidity, is pretty important. To Poland, a 95%ish Catholic nation, our religious leader is quite important. To Poland, to lose the majority of our national leadership on the anniversary of just such an event, exactly where it happened, is pretty damn important.
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Zions Child
Caldari Carthage Industries Consortium.
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Posted - 2010.04.10 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
To Poland, our prez, regardless of stupidity, is pretty important. To Poland, a 95%ish Catholic nation, our religious leader is quite important. To Poland, to lose the majority of our national leadership on the anniversary of just such an event, exactly where it happened, is pretty damn important.
There is no argument that it's not important, but for some reason, I don't think the Russians would assassinate the entire Polish cabinet to make a point... I mean, the Russians can be pretty bad some times, but maybe its just naivety, but I currently refuse to believe that someone would have no trouble executing about a hundred people... Of course, if there's any proof to the contrary, then it changes the whole game considerably. I just think it's a bit of a rush to blame it all on the Russians... (Mind you I hate Putin, and think he needs to step down as supreme dictator of Russia. I'm not a fan of Russian politics/government at all, but I just believe in the natural goodness of people...) ===
Originally by: CCP Shadow This thread has been emasculated. *click*
Originally by: CCP Shadow *snip* Castration successful. Shadow.
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Tobias Xiaosen
Gallente TX Holdings Company
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Posted - 2010.04.10 17:25:00 -
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R.I.P. To all those that died in the crash and condolences to their friends and families
To those saying it was more than a crash and Russia had a hand in it, tell me, what exactly do they have to gain from something like this? As far as I am aware, no country would go out of its way to make something like this happen just because of a hurt ego, and not to mention if they DID do it its a bit too obvious...
But in any case, I'm pretty ignorant about politics in eastern europe ~
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