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Thunder1971 Caldari Virtual Warriors IMPERIAL LEGI0N	Posted - 2010.04.14 10:08:00 - [151] ROFL I really enjoy reading threads like this one. No doubt that economics at a certain point will have a serious influence on any conflict. TBH I don't go into this too much...at the end of the day I'm having loads of fun doing ****loads of pewpew. Finding excuses for the wife so we can stay at home and I can be on the next CTA. Or if I don't have any other choice, sit on my laptop in the caravan at the holliday park with a cellphone connection. Praying that I won't lose connection while repping our fleet. But yeah spaceship games are serious bussines uh? lol Here's to loads of lagless GF!! T "comrades in arms know the meaning of true friendship".
Le Cardinal Caldari Destructive Influence IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.14 10:29:00 - [152] Originally by: Murauke not really since the re-calibration passive income has been drastically reduced, what has taken a hit though is SOV so with all the systems that all the SC hold thats a financial drain too. In my opinion, poses are being popped on both sides the more the SC take the more they have to do to keep them fueled thats a eco strain.... like i said i have no emotional attachment to this game, i've learnt that alliances come and go, space is taken and then lost and then retaken 12months later under a new name all that matters is the name on the tin. The only winner at the moment is CCP and the ship manufactures because i sure hope they are learning a lot from the massive lag and grid load issue's. Where have we heard this before? Oh thats right, PL: "HAhaha take those moons if you like. They wont be worth anything in a couple of weeks!" " haha, you keep losing more than those moons gives back" "haha we didnt want that space anyways, oh wait"
senecti Minmatar UK Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2010.04.14 12:23:00 - [153] Edited by: senecti on 14/04/2010 12:23:31 So how does this work then ? if you got on most of the crusaders boards their KD ratios are far lower than those on the NC's boards but somewhere along the way the crusaders gained loads. Also if the mail needs to be posted on both boards how does that work when for example atlas today have had 17 losses according to eve-kill yet only 1 has found its way onto atlas's board.
Deja Thoris Amarr Invicta. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2010.04.14 13:21:00 - [154] Edited by: Deja Thoris on 14/04/2010 13:23:17 Originally by: Karbowiak Killboard link removed.Applebabe Contermanded forum moderation is not allowed.Applebabe It updates daily during the downtime, so have your mails posted to by then Killboard link removed.Applebabe (...) Contermanded forum moderation is not allowed.Applebabe I hate these forums. People post with a legitamate creation of interest to both sides and where it can be found gets moderated out because of the letter of the law. Theres hundreds of pathetic troll alts posting ** here every day that is technically within the letter of the law that get ignored by the moderation team. When (if ever) will you mods learn to exercise a modi**of judgement in your application of the yellow font? Six years and you haven't grasped that shrewd and consistent application of judegement rather than an iron clad set of rules is what will bring these forums out of the mire. Edit - It seems the forum software is cut from the same cloth since it edited the word m.o.d.i.c.u.m
Peter Powers Gallente FinFleet IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.14 14:42:00 - [155] First of all: a few changes, the home side has been split up to daily and total stats pages (use the links at the top), and the new home just shows basic total stats + the stats of the day before. the daily page is pretty much what was on the home under daily before on special request the total page got extended by graphs displaying the growth of points/isk killed/kills over time. Originally by: senecti So how does this work then ? if you got on most of the crusaders boards their KD ratios are far lower than those on the NC's boards but somewhere along the way the crusaders gained loads. ratios usually look different on single killboards since they are not all added up there - also most of the reports there tend to be mixed with kills from one side showing up as kills of the other - this does not happen in the calculations for northern crusade. Originally by: senecti Also if the mail needs to be posted on both boards how does that work when for example atlas today have had 17 losses according to eve-kill yet only 1 has found its way onto atlas's board. Also if you look at the day before atlas lost 3 and half pages worth but they only posted 7 on their boards. It does not need to be on both boards (where is this rumour comming from?) one killmail has two information, one is one entry - the victim, the other side is a list of attackers. the victim needs to be from side1 and at least one of the attackers from side2 for the kill to be counted for side2. no matter from which board this is comming, one mail is enough to ensure it is a mail from this conflict. Northern Crusade - Daily numbers on EVE's largest current conflict
Welshy RL Gallente Diplomatic Disruption Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2010.04.14 15:39:00 - [156] Originally by: Cadela Fria Edited by: Cadela Fria on 13/04/2010 13:39:38 Originally by: Dirala .... Originally by: Peter Powers About the color discussion: Blue/Red is a classic color scheme for display of sides in military conflicts, i dont see why i should use something else - Im sure had i made the attacking side pink and the defending side brown, then there would have been complains about brown being a negative color - seriously guys, this website is not about colors. This is very true. But, red is also on all Killboards, and in pretty much every Movie :) the color of the enemy when you look at those type of stats is red as well. This looks to me like, blue as in BoB/IT kinda color they always had on sovmap. And red, well, red the enemy as you see it on every killboard and so on. Nice thinking. :) Sorry, this looks also a bit biased to me. better make it Any other Color, even pink would be better. :) You are right when you say it's not about color. But the colors you chose make a bad impression, design does help to make a site trustworthy. ... Cheers Dirala Oh for the love of....Peter, please..Just change the colors around. Make us (IT etc etc) Red, and them (NC) Blue. Be done with this stupid overanalytical nonsense. Honestly why you even mentioned colors to begin with is beyond me. Next Morsus Mihi will probably have a go at whoever set the respective colors of IT and MM on the Sov map..christ. Wheres the smiley thats banging its head into a wall when I need it. Y not have a Logo for the NC and an Logo for the SC+IT be easy,, all theyd need to do is do an logo give it to u karb and make it look very nice and 3d vids hehe im making no sence right now im slightly drunk
CATTYS Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.04.15 09:58:00 - [157] Well who care the f....g colours and name of the campain....as long the nc are in north and the atackers come most of them from south the simple name was more likle N vs S .But those treats are for pep who have time 2 troll not for pvpers.From my wiew i expect this campain to start for 3 weeks ,so as long we have a fight is more that ok...Pew pew is fun ..f.. the carrbears...from both side north and south... And for problem with co2 and wh they live in north and if they see a oportunity 2 get some good moons from nc ,good for them ,they will help as aslong they keep nc bussy on all fronts....but this not a part of our plan.... And btw...as a former nc pilot ...nc is rusty now....they need a change ,they hold those regions for a long time and start 2 transform i a lot of carrebears...and fat isk farmers. So grate job IT,INIT,ROL,ATLAS and other who join the fight no matter the side....who come only for some gf gf gf gf gf gf...goooddddd figtssss....
Deltaprimus Caldari Shadow Legion. Talos Coalition	Posted - 2010.04.15 12:58:00 - [158] heya mate ur stats for talos are wrong :( http://talos-coalition.co.uk/?a=home thats our killboard its 100% api synced so there's no fake mails and all losses are on there as well (otherwise my guys get ball ache from me for not posting properley). if you wish to point ur killboard at that to bring ur database up to date ur more than welcome. ------------------------- http://talos-coalition.co.uk (Join the Shadow)
Peter Powers Gallente FinFleet IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.15 18:45:00 - [159] Edited by: Peter Powers on 15/04/2010 18:53:01 Originally by: Deltaprimus heya mate ur stats for talos are wrong :( http://talos-coalition.co.uk/?a=home thats our killboard its 100% api synced so there's no fake mails and all losses are on there as well (otherwise my guys get ball ache from me for not posting properley). if you wish to point ur killboard at that to bring ur database up to date ur more than welcome. im not exactly sure which stats you mean, northern crusade doesnt exactly do statistics for single alliances? EDIT: actually i think i found what you mean, you mean the alliance stats on eve-kill, not northern crusade? i just made a quick check over the two boards to see the difference, the eve-kill one shows actually more kills than your own one - the point is that your own one is wrong! The API only contains kills where one of you either lost his ship or where the final blow was by one of the corp that the key belongs to - so if one of your allies (another alliance) got the final blow, and your killboard is not synching feeds from there (looks like that is the case) - then those mails will not show up on your own board, but they might, trough eve-kill reading the feed from all sorts of borads, end up on eve-kill. Northern Crusade - Daily numbers on EVE's largest current conflict
Imigo Montoya Gallente THE INSURGENCY DEFI4NT	Posted - 2010.04.16 04:12:00 - [160] A very useful tool for statistics indeed. Most sides' killboards are showing a very high efficiency due to the flawed nature of killboards - while many people can take part in the destruction of a ship (and each can then have it counting on their killboard), only one person (and therefore corp/alliance) takes any loss. I'm somewhat confused by the reasoning that comes from this though. To say one side is winning because they are killing more ships/ISK is horrendously flawed. It assumes that both sides have an equal industrial/economic footing, and as 'everybody' knows, the NC are all carebears and therefore have much more ability to keep pumping out new ships... To determine whether a side is winning or losing you would really need to have some metric to measure their ability to sustain losses compared to the losses they are sustaining. Without that this is simply a good killboard flaw rectification tool. So, let's stop making judgements on success/failure based on incomplete information, and remember, he conquers who endures.

riverini Gallente Reliables Inc Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.04.16 04:30:00 - [161] Originally by: Imigo Montoya A very useful tool for statistics indeed. Most sides' killboards are showing a very high efficiency due to the flawed nature of killboards - while many people can take part in the destruction of a ship (and each can then have it counting on their killboard), only one person (and therefore corp/alliance) takes any loss. I'm somewhat confused by the reasoning that comes from this though. To say one side is winning because they are killing more ships/ISK is horrendously flawed. It assumes that both sides have an equal industrial/economic footing, and as 'everybody' knows, the NC are all carebears and therefore have much more ability to keep pumping out new ships... To determine whether a side is winning or losing you would really need to have some metric to measure their ability to sustain losses compared to the losses they are sustaining. Without that this is simply a good killboard flaw rectification tool. So, let's stop making judgements on success/failure based on incomplete information, and remember, he conquers who endures. QTF, wouldn't be better to just take into account "final blows"??? German hugs, riverini
Optimism Gallente 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.04.16 09:10:00 - [162] Edited by: Optimism on 16/04/2010 09:11:56 You need to fix the prices for faction missiles and reprice all the kills that have happened up until now...
Peter Powers Gallente FinFleet IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.16 11:21:00 - [163] Hello dear Capsuleers, In the eye of recent events -A- has been added to the crusaders side. Originally by: Optimism You need to fix the prices for faction missiles and reprice all the kills that have happened up until now... a) you want to take this to the EVSCO guys (check the links to their chats) b) those prices affect both sides equal so its not that much of an issue regards, PP Northern Crusade - Daily numbers on EVE's largest current conflict
Peter Powers Gallente FinFleet IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.19 20:04:00 - [164] Edited by: Peter Powers on 19/04/2010 20:04:58 Hello, a few days ago a friend offered to contribute to northern-crusade, today he gave me his code, so here a new feature for all those who want more numbers: There are now daily details available, most prominent: the values are available to read split by system. there will be more/other details available soon aswell. regards PP PS: thanks to all the donators btw! EDIT: PPS, how rude of me, i forgot to mention his name, Femaref Northern Crusade - Daily numbers on EVE's largest current conflict
General Windypops Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.19 20:07:00 - [165] That site is getting utterly awesome now. Great work lads, really impressed. Twitter:@genrlwindypops
Karbowiak Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.04.21 17:38:00 - [166] This should probably be bumped to the top, now that the link is readded, much love to Naviator and Fallout <3 Co-Owner and Creator of EVSCO
arjun Amarr Battlestars Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.04.23 11:29:00 - [167] Edited by: arjun on 23/04/2010 11:29:59 something makes me curious. on 22.04 at downtime kills for both parties were shown as 861/862 respectively for the 21.04. at downtime of the 23.04 the numbers are still the same. was there not a single new killmail added during those 24 hours for the 21.04 or is there no feeding of older killmails? edit: i setup a new operating system on my pc. now i cant see the shiny graphics. what addon do i need to install?
Karbowiak Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.04.23 17:21:00 - [168] Originally by: arjun Edited by: arjun on 23/04/2010 11:29:59 something makes me curious. on 22.04 at downtime kills for both parties were shown as 861/862 respectively for the 21.04. at downtime of the 23.04 the numbers are still the same. was there not a single new killmail added during those 24 hours for the 21.04 or is there no feeding of older killmails? edit: i setup a new operating system on my pc. now i cant see the shiny graphics. what addon do i need to install? the 22nd has 505 kills for Crusaders and 666 for NC (lol) 21st has 861 for Crusaders and 862 for NC As for the days, they are first updated the next day - so the stats for today (the 23rd) will first be calculated tomorrow the 24th - so the mails have a chance to be posted and synched. As for watching the graphs, install Adobe Flash :P Co-Owner and Creator of EVSCO
Hun Jakuza Minmatar Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.23 18:19:00 - [169] Edited by: Hun Jakuza on 23/04/2010 18:22:00 Check this out EVSCO working well isn't ? Just check this out related kills. :D Friendly (990) what is not realy 990 if someone see it. 30% is IT pilot in left side. But IT fleet is at right side with (641) pilot. Someone thinking about, IT fought against each others ? :D No, just 30% different from the real data. I was there i know it we fought with 250BS 4 hours long and the enemy was there over 800 members. When they leaved system we catched the Wyvern and the killmail wh.o.res came later with ceptor and small ships , because they want to shot a supercarrier for free, that u see it on related kills. Karbowiak data nothing else just an another SC propaganda. I saw there 30% SC advantage in the first week, but i was there in the all fight. The SC not won a single battle in the first week and their efficiency was cca 40%. Just check 2010.04.01 false data. They was positive efficiency ? No they was not. Ridiculous. Just their Wyvern and capital ships lost was more than all SC losses.
Aelena Thraant Caldari The Executives IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.23 19:26:00 - [170] Originally by: Hun Jakuza Edited by: Hun Jakuza on 23/04/2010 18:45:09 Check this out EVSCO working well isn't ? Just check this out related kills. :D Friendly (990) what is not realy 990 if someone see it. 30% is IT pilot in left side. But IT fleet is at right side with (641) pilot. Someone thinking about, IT fought against each others ? :D No, just 30% different from the real data. I was there i know it we fought with 250BS 4 hours long and the enemy was there over 800 members. When they leaved system we catched the Wyvern and the killmail wh.o.res came later with ceptors and small ships , because they want to shot a supercarrier for free, that u see it on related kills. Karbowiak data nothing else just an another SC propaganda. I saw there 30% SC advantage in the first week, but i was there in the all fights. The SC not won a single battle in the first week and their efficiency was cca 40%. Just check 2010.04.01 false data. They was positive efficiency ? No they was not. Ridiculous. Just their Wyvern and capital ships lost was more than all NC losses. WTB Clue for 500 Alex... If someone deploys a bomb that hits a friendly and that friendly dies or a bubble or shoots a friendly by mistake and that friendly dies then they will always appear on the other side. This is common to all the killboards based on EDK. As has been said before... a kill counts as a SC side if you kill a NC member with one or more SC members and vise versa... EVE Killboard and Forum Hosting Service: MyEVEKb

Hun Jakuza Minmatar Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.23 19:37:00 - [171] Vica versa ? Please summarize the IT and their allies in the left fleet and summarize NC members in right fleet. THX bye!
arjun Amarr Battlestars Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.04.23 20:01:00 - [172] mr karbowiak maybe reread my question? are mails that are posted on any of the kb after dt next day shown on your site? (seems not like that)if not are there technical reasons or is the serverload too large to feed in later mails?
Aelena Thraant Caldari The Executives IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.23 20:06:00 - [173] Originally by: Hun Jakuza Vica versa ? Please summarize the IT and their allies in the left fleet and summarize NC members in right fleet. THX bye! That has no baring on the stats.... Other than that specific battle report. I bet if you go look at the NC killboard you will see friendlies on the hostile side at times too. In my experience this is more prevalent in large battles due to lag and overview issues. Go look at: http://www.northern-coalition.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=858413 You will see RED.OverLord on the friendly side. Also you are looking at the generic EVSCO kb that doesn't know who is friendly and hostile so while usually I've seen the numbers the same on both sides it never has it with the real hostiles on one side and friendlies on the other... It's usually the same pilots on both sides. So where is the NC version of this tool to compare the kills/losses too??? My bet would be that it would be similar on a day to day bases if using the same alliances and having all the killmails EVE Killboard and Forum Hosting Service: MyEVEKb
Karbowiak Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.04.23 23:43:00 - [174] Originally by: Hun Jakuza Edited by: Hun Jakuza on 23/04/2010 18:45:09 Check this out EVSCO working well isn't ? Just check this out related kills. :D Friendly (990) what is not realy 990 if someone see it. 30% is IT pilot in left side. But IT fleet is at right side with (641) pilot. Someone thinking about, IT fought against each others ? :D No, just 30% different from the real data. I was there i know it we fought with 250BS 4 hours long and the enemy was there over 800 members. When they leaved system we catched the Wyvern and the killmail wh.o.res came later with ceptors and small ships , because they want to shot a supercarrier for free, that u see it on related kills. Karbowiak data nothing else just an another SC propaganda. I saw there 30% SC advantage in the first week, but i was there in the all fights. The SC not won a single battle in the first week and their efficiency was cca 40%. Just check 2010.04.01 false data. They was positive efficiency ? No they was not. Ridiculous. Just their Wyvern and capital ships lost was more than all NC losses. What?.. Its EDK, and its a public killboard - it doesnt show proper kill_related stats, however kill_related has no effect on the stats that Northern Crusade shows. If you want to know how Nothern Crusade calculates the stats check some of the earlier replies from Peter Powers. Originally by: arjun mr karbowiak maybe reread my question? are mails that are posted on any of the kb after dt next day shown on your site? (seems not like that)if not are there technical reasons or is the serverload too large to feed in later mails? Feeds are synched every 3 hours, every day.. 00:00 03:00 06:00... etc. And API mod are synched every 2 hours, every day.. 00:00 02:00 04:00... etc. However, if a killboard isn't added to our feed list, it wont get synched - and thus the mails wont show up and be calculated into it. As for updating older stats, no - we dont do that on Northern Crusade - why you ask, well everyone has a 24h window where they can post all their mails to EVE-Kill - if that isn't enough then tough luck. However this shouldn't be a major problem, seeing as all corporations and alliances in the conflict has their killboards added to our feed list - and many of the corporations and alliances actually use our killboards.. Hope this answers what you are after.. Co-Owner and Creator of EVSCO
Hun Jakuza Minmatar Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.24 08:54:00 - [175] Originally by: Karbowiak Originally by: Hun Jakuza Check this out EVSCO working well isn't ? Just check this out related kills. :D Friendly (990) what is not realy 990 if someone see it. 30% is IT pilot in left side. But IT fleet is at right side with (641) pilot. Someone thinking about, IT fought against each others ? :D No, just 30% different from the real data. I was there i know it we fought with 250BS 4 hours long and the enemy was there over 800 members. When they leaved system we catched the Wyvern and the killmail wh.o.res came later with ceptors and small ships , because they want to shot a supercarrier for free, that u see it on related kills. Karbowiak data nothing else just an another SC propaganda. I saw there 30% SC advantage in the first week, but i was there in the all fights. The SC not won a single battle in the first week and their efficiency was cca 40%. Just check 2010.04.01 false data. They was positive efficiency ? No they was not. Ridiculous. Just their Wyvern and capital ships lost was more than all NC losses. What?.. Its EDK, and its a public killboard - it doesnt show proper kill_related stats, however kill_related has no effect on the stats that Northern Crusade shows. If you want to know how Nothern Crusade calculates the stats check some of the earlier replies from Peter Powers. Realy ? Everyone know this is not true. Because your stat not summarize from losses, but added to your data the kills too. But everyone know killers not equal with the real data. Check this example with 30 capital (RED Team) vs 30 capital (BLUE Team) fleetbattle: Red team shot blue team with single weapon, but blue team using smartbombs and using damage to own fleet. At end of fight the Red team won the fight and they killed all enemy ships and lost 5 ships from 30. The real data is 5 lost vs 30 lost. What you will see with your count ? All Blue team got 35 kills too because they used smartbomb and they made it 35 capital kill (cca 45 billion summarized damage). But this data not realy true. Try to make your data to real, try to summarize just the losses. If someone lost a ship from an enemy ship that will 1 kill. But now when 1 friendly killed one ship that 1 kill and their ISK loss added to sum. This is simple, but you using to all sum for kill data. Just if you want to know, on the first week NC not realy used smartbombing capitals, but SC did, when you check the EVSCO killboard you will see it (1,2), in every battlesummary, plus 20-30 percent SC members in NC fleet. As you count it now add plus 20-30 percent SC kills for the real data.
Karbowiak Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.04.24 12:06:00 - [176] Edited by: Karbowiak on 24/04/2010 12:11:33 Originally by: Hun Jakuza Edited by: Hun Jakuza on 24/04/2010 09:30:13 Realy ? Everyone know this is not true. Because your stat not summarize from losses, but added to your data the kills too. But everyone know killers not equal with the real data. Check this example with 30 capital (RED Team) vs 30 capital (BLUE Team) fleetbattle: Red team shot blue team with single weapon, but blue team using smartbombs and using damage to own fleet. At end of fight the Red team won the fight and they killed all enemy ships and lost 5 ships from 30. The real data is 5 lost vs 30 lost. But what you will see with your count ? All Blue team got 35 kills too because they used smartbomb and they made it 35 capital kill (cca 45 billion summarized damage). But this data not realy true. Try to make your data to real, try to summarize just the losses. If someone lost a ship from an enemy ship that will 1 kill. But now when 1 friendly killed one ship from own side that 1 kill, and their losses and ISK losses added to sum to your http://northern-crusade.com/ summary page. This is not EDK killboard just a counter, so you just could to add to page a simple program or php/html code which not enable to add to statistic (1 kill to other side too), those datas which have friendly fire in own kills. Simple: if IT,Atlas,-A- etc. alliance member contains in SC members killmail and made it finalblow just leave it. This is simple, but you using to all sum for kill data. Just if you want to know, on the first week NC not realy used smartbombing capitals, but SC did, when you check the EVSCO killboard you will see it (1,2), in every battlesummary, plus 20-30 percent SC members in NC fleet. As you count it now add plus 20-30 percent SC kills to the real data. the EDK killboard doesn't have any effect on Northern Crusade - ffs.. Northern Crusade uses the database that the killboard generate, and the killboard generate their stats from the killmails posted to the database. Its not like the database is saying "HEY, LETS ADD MORE KILLS TO THIS SIDE.. WHY? WELL, CAUSE I CAN MWAHAHA". It adds the killmail in a certain format so it can quickly get accessed and used for information. Northern Crusade board accessed that information and calculates its stats from that. As for the smartbomb theory, yeah, no.. i don't buy it.. why? read Peter Powers explanation as to how it actually calculates stats.. It goes by DEATHS.. not who shot at people. If 1 SC dies, thats 1 point for NC, if 1 NC dies, its 1 point for SC.. Not your lame ass way, and if you actually bothered READING earlier replies you'd know that.. Stop trolling and stop being a ****.. use your brain, eventho its hard.. edit:// Actually, if 1 NC dies, and the killmail has one SC on it - then its counted as a loss for NC and a kill for SC, smartbomb or no smartbomb. And the opposite (for the s out there that cant figure that one out themselves) if 1 SC dies, and the killmail has one NC on it - then its counted as a loss for SC and a kill for NC, smartbomb or no smartbomb. Co-Owner and Creator of EVSCO*
Peter Powers Gallente FinFleet IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.24 12:07:00 - [177] Edited by: Peter Powers on 24/04/2010 12:07:30 what Karb said. Northern Crusade - Daily numbers on EVE's largest current conflict
Necronym Minmatar Darkwave Technologies Blade.	Posted - 2010.04.24 13:38:00 - [178] Nice site, thanks for all the work put in to it Funnily enough, skimming through this thread and it seems that only the NC ppl are complaining about the stats of KB. Most likely cause factual data is something they can not spin as a 'win' like they been doin this entire war
BAteh Amarr Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.24 13:51:00 - [179] Use the Google Chart API instead of this Flashwhatever, so mobile equipments can see it.
SFX Bladerunner Minmatar The Hurt Locker Sandbox Bullies	Posted - 2010.04.25 13:20:00 - [180] Originally by: BAteh Use the Google Chart API instead of this Flashwhatever, so mobile equipments can see it. Need to be able to check on your e-peen 24/7 wherever you are don't you? Anyway friendly bump for a great service! __________________________________________________ History is much like an endless waltz, the three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever..



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