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Shivanthar Angels Of Death EVE Mayhem. 3	Posted - 2012.07.07 09:05:00 - [1] - Quote First, sorry for my not-so-good English. I always solo l4's with my vargur, killing everything and salvaging/looting at the same time. In this way missions top up to 100 mil. per run (occasionally 30-50 mil per 'good' lvl4). This morning I solo'd worlds collide(serp/gurist ver.). In the guristas base, during wrestling, I noticed one "Pith Massacrer" has a bounty of 1.162.500 ISK. It took me around 30 seconds to kill this guy (maybe a little less). I just "teared things apart" and killed all those guys. The bounty I got was "27 mil". Warped from one room to another and mission took around 30-35 min in total. With all things salvaged and looted, I returned to the station and completed it. In the completion screen, the mission reward is written exactly as: "1.150.000". The bonus reward agent gave me is: "1.390.000". I mean, COME ON! If you do the basic math, that is only two more pith massacrer and a frigate/cruiser. This is like a joke. Just put 3-4 more ships and don't give that irritiating reward then. Rewards hardly corresponds to the ammo price I use, especially if I am using faction ammo. It just doesn't make me happy to solo a mission like that and get that reward at the end. For those that do missions like crazy, agents awarding only 1 min. (maybe less) worth of their gameplay. Actually, the more mission lasts, the less "people become awarded". This should be changed. The consideration of the reward should be around more missioner-friendly stuff. What about faction ammo? Or even maybe more LP? You call it, because in its current state, rewards simply suck. Note: I've 10.0 agent standing, with security connections 4 + negotiation 4
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 118	Posted - 2012.07.07 09:22:00 - [2] - Quote I hear you can just endlessly and mindlessly shoot at rats out in 0.0, sometimes faction ones spawn and you can get faction loot too! sounds like that's what you want to me but I think mission rewards are more or less fine. don't forget the 9k or so lp you get for a worlds collide!
Shivanthar Angels Of Death EVE Mayhem. 3	Posted - 2012.07.07 09:29:00 - [3] - Quote Chainsaw Plankton wrote: I hear you can just endlessly and mindlessly shoot at rats out in 0.0, sometimes faction ones spawn and you can get faction loot too! sounds like that's what you want to me No, missioning is what I want, and nobody would shoot rats mindlessly in 0.0 with a Vargur. Marauders are the farthest thing you can go for solo-missioning in empire space. What I say is, the money invented in missioning doesn't return to me as reward. Chainsaw Plankton wrote: but I think mission rewards are more or less fine. don't forget the 9k or so lp you get for a worlds collide! That reward only comes from thhe two battleships I shot. What is fine with this? LP is fine, but variety comes from isk, not lp (you've to spend isk to get your lp stuff too)
Shivanthar Angels Of Death EVE Mayhem. 3	Posted - 2012.07.07 09:40:00 - [4] - Quote Moreover, the isk reward is not proportional to the LP reward too. If I call it correctly, It requires 5000 LP and 10 mil isk to get 10.000 ammo of any type. The reward is 6k+ lp (which is more than %100 of what I need), but ~2.5 mil isk (%25 of what I need). I don't know if I can draw the picture of my concern.
Hoshi Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement 20	Posted - 2012.07.07 09:52:00 - [5] - Quote The ship bounties are supposed to be a big part of the reward for the mission. Sure they could remove all the bounties and move it to the mission reward but then they would have to redesign most missions to be less blitzable to compensate. If you prefer to get you money from the completion of the mission instead of killing the rats then do incursions instead. No rat bounties and higher completion rewards, just how you like it. "Memories are meant to fade. They're designed that way for a reason."
serras bang Lucien Coven 6	Posted - 2012.07.07 10:08:00 - [6] - Quote mission rewards are just there as a way for a corperation to show there apresiation the bountys are actualy placed on by concord.
Ifly Uwalk Empire Tax Collection Agency 254	Posted - 2012.07.07 10:09:00 - [7] - Quote Shivanthar wrote: during wrestling dafuq
Zor'katar Matari Recreation 8	Posted - 2012.07.07 14:16:00 - [8] - Quote There are folks who blitz missions (in which case LP is a large proportion of their reward) and claim upwards of 200M ISK/hr. See, for example, this thread: Estimated L4 ISK/Hour? I don't do that, so I can't confirm how realistic it is. If it's anywhere near true, though, making the ISK and LP reward a bigger proportion of the overall income is just going to drive more people to that style of missioning, and leave folks like you (and I, usually) who like to loot and salvage everything even farther behind the curve.
Shivanthar Angels Of Death EVE Mayhem. 5	Posted - 2012.07.07 14:39:00 - [9] - Quote Ifly Uwalk wrote: Shivanthar wrote: during wrestling dafuq :)))) Yeah, jammed, tried to get lock, webbed, scrambled, killed one webber, jammed again, aaarghhh :))))
Shivanthar Angels Of Death EVE Mayhem. 5	Posted - 2012.07.07 14:43:00 - [10] - Quote Zor'katar wrote: There are folks who blitz missions (in which case LP is a large proportion of their reward) and claim upwards of 200M ISK/hr. See, for example, this thread: Estimated L4 ISK/Hour? I don't do that, so I can't confirm how realistic it is. If it's anywhere near true, though, making the ISK and LP reward a bigger proportion of the overall income is just going to drive more people to that style of missioning, and leave folks like you (and I, usually) who like to loot and salvage everything even farther behind the curve. I knew it I knew it! :) There are people like me :P I don't like blitzing, in contrast, I even read stories and between-warp-notices. I watch my ship closely, not from the 500km over the battlefield. More like RP style.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 118	Posted - 2012.07.07 20:09:00 - [11] - Quote Shivanthar wrote: I don't know if I can draw the picture of my concern. you can't because you don't have one.
4-AcO-DMT EVE University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2012.07.07 20:12:00 - [12] - Quote what is that LP reward u are speaking of ? u get some money for earned LP or wat ?
Shameless Avenger Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 138	Posted - 2012.07.07 20:54:00 - [13] - Quote Shivanthar wrote: Zor'katar wrote: There are folks who blitz missions (in which case LP is a large proportion of their reward) and claim upwards of 200M ISK/hr. See, for example, this thread: Estimated L4 ISK/Hour? I don't do that, so I can't confirm how realistic it is. If it's anywhere near true, though, making the ISK and LP reward a bigger proportion of the overall income is just going to drive more people to that style of missioning, and leave folks like you (and I, usually) who like to loot and salvage everything even farther behind the curve. I knew it I knew it! :) There are people like me :P I don't like blitzing, in contrast, I even read stories and between-warp-notices. I watch my ship closely, not from the 500km over the battlefield. More like RP style. I'm there in the no blitz camp for several reasons: - Jamming rats... if you are perma-jamed for 15 minutes, you can't really blitz. - Faction Standing Repair... Making friends with the rival faction over and over again takes time. That nerfs the ISK/hour ratio of blitz. - Ninja Looters - Once you blitz, you become "Ninja Looter Friendly" and you are several times more likely to get ninja'd daily. - LP to ISK conversion is sometimes a joke. 5k LP = 10m ISK? Yeah right.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 239	Posted - 2012.07.07 21:06:00 - [14] - Quote 4-AcO-DMT wrote: what is that LP reward u are speaking of ? u get some money for earned LP or wat ? you buy stuff for lp then sell it on the market. 8k lp can be worth anywhere from 4 million to 80 million ISK, depending on which items you use. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
Taurich Vorsel 9	Posted - 2012.07.07 21:22:00 - [15] - Quote Shivanthar wrote: The bounty I got was "27 mil" That IS your reward Copine Callmeknau disappeared one day now we are left with Taurich Vorsel AKA *BIZARRO COPE!*
MinefieldS Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 12	Posted - 2012.07.07 21:50:00 - [16] - Quote Shameless Avenger wrote: - LP to ISK conversion is sometimes a joke. 5k LP = 10m ISK? Yeah right. 5k lp = 12.5m isk actually for highsec
4-AcO-DMT EVE University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2012.07.07 21:52:00 - [17] - Quote MinefieldS wrote: Shameless Avenger wrote: - LP to ISK conversion is sometimes a joke. 5k LP = 10m ISK? Yeah right. 5k lp = 12.5m isk actually for highsec hmm ive been doing l3s so far and i have about 10k lp now. what are the items that sell so high ?
Spr09 Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 29	Posted - 2012.07.07 22:38:00 - [18] - Quote 1mil is perfectly fine, considering you get 30mil from one room in the mission, +lp points at the end.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 239	Posted - 2012.07.07 22:59:00 - [19] - Quote 4-AcO-DMT wrote: MinefieldS wrote: Shameless Avenger wrote: - LP to ISK conversion is sometimes a joke. 5k LP = 10m ISK? Yeah right. 5k lp = 12.5m isk actually for highsec hmm ive been doing l3s so far and i have about 10k lp now. what are the items that sell so high ? people will not tell you, nobody wants extra competition. it's not hard to figure out though, just look at the market prices of various items and do the math. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
Constable Chang 8	Posted - 2012.07.08 02:14:00 - [20] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: 4-AcO-DMT wrote: MinefieldS wrote: Shameless Avenger wrote: - LP to ISK conversion is sometimes a joke. 5k LP = 10m ISK? Yeah right. 5k lp = 12.5m isk actually for highsec hmm ive been doing l3s so far and i have about 10k lp now. what are the items that sell so high ? people will not tell you, nobody wants extra competition. it's not hard to figure out though, just look at the market prices of various items and do the math. Don't forget to factor in the opportunity cost of dealing with all the damn tags or manufacturing from bpc's. Just as MIMAF = false so loyalty point conversions are not 'free' either.
Shameless Avenger Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 141	Posted - 2012.07.08 03:05:00 - [21] - Quote MinefieldS wrote: Shameless Avenger wrote: - LP to ISK conversion is sometimes a joke. 5k LP = 10m ISK? Yeah right. 5k lp = 12.5m isk actually for highsec Nope.
MinefieldS Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 48	Posted - 2012.07.08 03:29:00 - [22] - Quote Constable Chang wrote: Daniel Plain wrote: 4-AcO-DMT wrote: MinefieldS wrote: Shameless Avenger wrote: - LP to ISK conversion is sometimes a joke. 5k LP = 10m ISK? Yeah right. 5k lp = 12.5m isk actually for highsec hmm ive been doing l3s so far and i have about 10k lp now. what are the items that sell so high ? people will not tell you, nobody wants extra competition. it's not hard to figure out though, just look at the market prices of various items and do the math. Don't forget to factor in the opportunity cost of dealing with all the damn tags or manufacturing from bpc's. Just as MIMAF = false so loyalty point conversions are not 'free' either. ok, whatever you say
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 120	Posted - 2012.07.08 04:57:00 - [23] - Quote Shameless Avenger wrote: I'm there in the no blitz camp for several reasons: - Jamming rats... if you are perma-jamed for 15 minutes, you can't really blitz. - Faction Standing Repair... Making friends with the rival faction over and over again takes time. That nerfs the ISK/hour ratio of blitz. - Ninja Looters - Once you blitz, you become "Ninja Looter Friendly" and you are several times more likely to get ninja'd daily. - LP to ISK conversion is sometimes a joke. 5k LP = 10m ISK? Yeah right. - I very rarely get jammed these days, even in a marauder. just did a guristas mission and didn't get jammed once. and hey if you are blitzing chances to get jammed go down! - so either don't run story lines or don't worry about it, won't go below -5 unless you do faction kill missions. or can just swap between multiple factions, don't want to flood the market! my alt can run for all 4 factions. - by blitzing you usually aren't in mission long enough for anyone to even scan you down - lp conversions range wildly depending on corp and item. but 5k lp should be worth between 5m and 15m.
Flurk Hellbron Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 99	Posted - 2012.07.08 10:46:00 - [24] - Quote The bounty's on the NPC's are part of the total you get paid out.................. I didn't know there were folks missionning for the reward and bonus only. So they can send the isk from killing NPC's to me.....
GreenSeed 69	Posted - 2012.07.09 00:49:00 - [25] - Quote do L5s with a small fleet on disposable speedtanked canes. get out of empire.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 120	Posted - 2012.07.09 01:21:00 - [26] - Quote Flurk Hellbron wrote: The bounty's on the NPC's are part of the total you get paid out.................. I didn't know there were folks missionning for the reward and bonus only. So they can send the isk from killing NPC's to me..... usually when blitzing you don't get a whole lot in bounty
flummox Militaris Industries Cascade Imminent 18	Posted - 2012.07.10 23:28:00 - [27] - Quote Ifly Uwalk wrote: Shivanthar wrote: during wrestling dafuq \| i was thinking the same thing...
Ginger Barbarella State War Academy Caldari State 9	Posted - 2012.07.11 22:12:00 - [28] - Quote Finished AE4 night before last. The awesome swag from "The Stash" in the alleged Bonus Room? A single 10MN Experimental AB. Haven't seen a decent implant drop since well before the last expansion. I've come to the conclusion that someone at CCP thinks they're giving away too much in EveO, so it's all being cut back: drone poo gone, salvage down to crap, charging for datacores, mission drops hardly worth the effort, onerous taxes on PI in highsec... And the bots are thriving.

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