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Bad Tast
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Posted - 2010.04.13 18:29:00 -
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 Originally by: Quesa
The absolute best way to learn PvP; the ships to fly vs. what, the ships capabilities and countering enemy strategies/fits is to take a cheap ship with a decent fit and lose it.
Then, do the same thing over and over about 20 times. You'll notice the difference after each couple of losses and you'll perfect your fit and own strategy.
Again, the key to learning PvP is to lose ships, I kid you not.
This ^^
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Rath Kelbore
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Posted - 2010.04.13 18:45:00 -
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Looks like everybody's replies pretty much covers it. I would also recommend getting fraps or something like that and recording battles. That way you can study it a bit and see what went wrong or right. Also make sure your overview is set up to show velocity, angular velocity, and radial velocity. You probably won't pay a whole lot of attention to them at first but once you learn what they mean it helps a lot. But the most important first step is to buy some cheap t1 fitted frigs and go attack something. Good Luck
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Jahred Shaw
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.04.13 19:26:00 -
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From getting stuck in, YOU can't learn from reading and watching videos, learn how to fit by testing the fits and learn how to pvp by going in there. Simple as that, RVB is a good start, if you catch me when i'm on i'll give you a hand
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Jaedar Metron
Void Angels
Primary.
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Posted - 2010.04.14 06:38:00 -
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I joined a pirate corp back when I was a wee nublet. I didn't know what they were though until later. Started ratting in the lowsec area they hanged out in, and after popping a few times I joined some gangs in suicidal frig tacklers. After a few days of that madness I started roaming solo and in gangs with kestrels, then caracals, then ferox.
Progression was pretty natural tbh, I only moved on to better ships once I felt I could stay alive in a new shiptype long enough to justify the cost.
Basically; jump into a frig. Learn the ways of lowsec, take down the targets you can, and progress. Sure, you can jump into a BC right away, but you won't have the experience needed to keep it alive.
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Sphit Ker
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Posted - 2010.04.14 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Beltantis Torrence
Experience.
Experience is what you acquire when you go through things that should not have happened in the first place.
zzzzing!
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Millie Clode
Amarr
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2010.04.14 10:46:00 -
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Pretty much everything has been said already here, but I will add "learn to control your panic reflex".
It doesn't matter which form of PvP you find yourself involved in, your natural response will be the same to start with. The first time that ship redboxes you or that 100-man enemy blob arrives on field you will be just about to **** yourself and try to warp out. Take a deep breath, compose yourself. Trust your FC, trust your ship and your abilities. It's seldom as scary as it seems.
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Hidden Snake
Caldari
Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2010.04.14 11:26:00 -
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Fight and die .... Pick some proven setups and tactics. You will have time to experiment later.
Adrenaline rush will fade after 400-500 kills losses.
Blobs hurts ur pvp mental setup. Small gangs is what u need.
Learn manual piloting in frigate - some of the tricks make sense even in Bss.
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Ospie
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.04.14 11:34:00 -
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Just like to add that I'd be happy to fly with you (or any other new pilots for that matter) in duo / small gangs if you need another person / want to be pulled in a small gang. I'm pretty open with who I fly with and consider myself reasonably experienced, I do generally take a balls to the wall approach myself so IF you were game then I'd recommend bringing something cheap.
Either way, you/whoever else can contact me in eve by whatever means and will be happy to talk, also give me a shout if you want to bounce any tactical ideas / fitting ideas off me and I'll give my feedback on them.
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David Devant
Gallente
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.04.14 14:30:00 -
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My first pvp experience was going ratting with a mate in low sec and getting blown up by a nasty pirate in a light neutron thorax. Was awesome, that buzz of getting nailed is what got me into pvp. He must have been pretty impressed with my fit by the way. 100mn afterburner and a lazors, rails, autocanon combo. Schweeet!
Was a little while before I got any decent kills under my belt. Had lots of success rocking a celestis back when damps weren't the suck. My advice would differ from a lot of the guys above, screw flying solo. Get friends, they're what makes the game enjoyable. Read the forums, learn how to fit ships, your mates will do the rest. If they don't, get new ones. :-P
As an aside, you could do worse than take up Ospie's offer. Very solid FW Corp.
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Julian Darklight
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Posted - 2010.04.15 23:31:00 -
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How did i learn to PVP. I died. a lot. lost my first merlin as a noob that wondered into low seca n got gang ****d. i fought can flippers an earned the respect of highly expieranced PVPers by bein mature an comin back for more. they taught me a lot. i was fightin with less than 3 million sp an only 2 to 4 active months agaisnt years old players an i lost a whole lot....... soon i relized caldariw asnt solo. so i joined a good PVP, industrail, pirate corp. they funded my ships, i lost a lot more. i insured an worked my way up. now im hittin close to 8 million sp an a year ina n i can finally say im pretty good at PVP. in other words, months of expierance, lots of losses, patience, anger, calm down, buy a new ship, go look for a new fight. rinse repeat. an read the forums. lol
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Motseth
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Posted - 2010.04.16 00:47:00 -
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highsec wars are quite useless to learn, unless you want to be a highsec warrior, which imho is lame. highsec pvp is about having neutral alts or friends remote repairing your ship, play docking games, its imho a good way to waste valuable time.
The experience you get from pvp will be proportional to the ammount of battles you fight, you dont need to kill or get killed to get experience. One thing that I like to do is to get a t1 frig fitted like an interceptor, Tristan, Incursus, Vigil, Rifter, then I just go try to harass enemies, be it lowsec pirates or RVB buddies, I wont be able to kill a Vexor but I can try to kill one or two drones, escape their friend snipers, learn how to approach, how to get out, when to overheat, etc... its fun and you learn a lot.
I never tried Agony of EVE-U, sounds like good options, Ive been in faction warfare, its nice, but RVB is the best place Ive been to get many fights in variable scenarios, some will argue that RVB rules arent true pvp but they are wrong I can assure you that. The nice thing is that RVB systems are near lowsec and syndicate nullsec NPC region, so sometimes I go solo, practice some piracy, hunt some people, fail at it, get a new ship and start again.
Someday Ill be a good pvper (I hope) and fighting a lot is helping me understand the ways of pvp, so my advice is, get into a lot of fights and after them think about what you done well and what you done wrong.
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Darthewok
Caldari Naval Reserve
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Posted - 2010.04.16 02:19:00 -
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RvB/low-sec pirate corp, agony unleashed classes, then leave your training wheels behind and go wander 0.0 doing solo PVP for months
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Hidden Snake
Caldari
Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2010.04.16 05:46:00 -
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Originally by: Motseth
highsec wars are quite useless to learn, unless you want to be a highsec warrior, which imho is lame. highsec pvp is about having neutral alts or friends remote repairing your ship, play docking games, its imho a good way to waste valuable time.
The experience you get from pvp will be proportional to the ammount of battles you fight, you dont need to kill or get killed to get experience. One thing that I like to do is to get a t1 frig fitted like an interceptor, Tristan, Incursus, Vigil, Rifter, then I just go try to harass enemies, be it lowsec pirates or RVB buddies, I wont be able to kill a Vexor but I can try to kill one or two drones, escape their friend snipers, learn how to approach, how to get out, when to overheat, etc... its fun and you learn a lot.
I never tried Agony of EVE-U, sounds like good options, Ive been in faction warfare, its nice, but RVB is the best place Ive been to get many fights in variable scenarios, some will argue that RVB rules arent true pvp but they are wrong I can assure you that. The nice thing is that RVB systems are near lowsec and syndicate nullsec NPC region, so sometimes I go solo, practice some piracy, hunt some people, fail at it, get a new ship and start again.
Someday Ill be a good pvper (I hope) and fighting a lot is helping me understand the ways of pvp, so my advice is, get into a lot of fights and after them think about what you done well and what you done wrong.
I recommend to try all high/low/null sec, but keep in mind the specifics as many aspects works in all environments and can be usefull in ur future career but for fastest preogress go lowsec.
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ImAPostingAlt
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Posted - 2010.04.16 09:44:00 -
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You can get a basic feeling of what PvP is like from watching a few vids. I'd recomend the FRIGGANK series for starting players. Agony or Eve-U are both good choices for starting as they can answer most of your basic questions. You don't have to go that route, but I highly recomend their services. Then you can go RvB or FW. RvB is a little more 'fair'(prearranged fights and whatnot) than FW, but both are excellente for running around in cheap small ships.
It eventually all boils down to experience though. There's no substitute for 'been there, done that'. You eventually learn what ships you can engage and which ones you can't, or how to maximize your applied DPS while minimizing your opponents. Some things just can't be taught and some people learn faster than others. Your best teacher is every fight you get, win or lose. So with that said, go out, buy a t1 frig, and go try and kill something.
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eddie valvetino
Caldari
Bi-Polar Bears
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Posted - 2010.04.16 10:39:00 -
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I just lost a metric crap tonne of ships....
still do really, so maybe i never learnt anything
go figure
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fivetide humidyear
Gallente
Fool Mental Junket
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Posted - 2010.04.16 14:29:00 -
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some good answers in here, i'll add:
i've learnt more from most of my losses than wins, work out who on the forums knows their stuff and who is rubbish, find a good corp to learn within and most importantly have fun. Travelling around low sec in cheap frigates and cruisers is a good place to start
also, learn how to use the directional scanner it will help you get into more fights (and avoid some with bad odds) theres usually a good guide or two in crime and punishmnet on these forums. I learnt a lot from parmIzans guide back in the day, there must be a more up to date atm
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Kuar Z'thain
Fraser's Finest
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Posted - 2010.04.16 19:40:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Hidden Snake
Adrenaline rush will fade after 400-500 kills losses.
2200+ kills and 175 losses and I still get the rush. No wonder I'm so ****ing addicted to this game. 
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.04.16 19:54:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Kuar Z'thain
Originally by: Hidden Snake
Adrenaline rush will fade after 400-500 kills losses.
2200+ kills and 175 losses and I still get the rush. No wonder I'm so ****ing addicted to this game.
Dear God, you must have one or more glands malfunctioning .. seek medical attention immediately, might be serious 
You both fail at being mind-deadened media consumers 
Eve PvP: Through Death there is Life.
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Dodgy Past
Amarr
Debitum Naturae
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.04.17 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Wensley
I joined a corp that taught me the basics of PvP and took me out in gangs. The main thing they did was just encourage me to get out there so I headed to Amamake with a stack of Rifters and I've never looked back.
Find a good supportive corp, look at doing an Agony basic class, and then just go out there and give it a go.
Best of luck to you!
The fact I saw you doing the Agony course impressed me a lot. The first thing it taught me was that null didn't have to be that dangerous.
1) My personal path has been a few fights when my first corp was in war decs.
2) A few suicide roams with friends in low sec.
3) Agony course.
4) Joining FW to bolster my personal KB stats.
5) Joining a competent corp in a decent PvP alliance and mainly flying with corp mates.
6) Flying with the better PvPers in my alliance.
During that whole time I've always kept my income level far above the cost of the ships I lose so when the inevitable happens all I really care about is that I took an enemy down with me.
Most useful thing I've found is every time I fight I work out what I forgot to do and what I could have done better. Of those I think the most useful 2 lessons for escaping have been:
a) Abandon your combat drones and deploy ECMs when you think you'll die.
b) Overload that MWD... every time I've escaped from a fight that went south all my mods will be badly damaged.
I've still got a long way to go though I'd say my personal skill matches my SP and I'd love some more so I could fly more specialised setups. Having said that I do need to go and fight in Amamake a bit and develop my solo skills.
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Eelis Kiy
Gallente
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2010.04.17 14:03:00 -
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Edited by: Eelis Kiy on 17/04/2010 14:04:03
A lot of trial and error. Learning by ones mistakes. Can't claim to be some pvp expert but I've learned a lot during my time in FW particularly since joining sotf.
I find the beauty of having lots of people to fly with and access to a ton of different FCs (must have flown with about 20 different regular fleet commanders in FW since I started) is learning from their individual experience and different styles. You get such a mish-mash of players coming and going through FW, it can be quite interesting (and yes total fail sometimes, but interesting too!)
But mostly I just open a bottle of wine, undock and close my eyes 
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Dante Fitzosborne
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Posted - 2010.04.18 15:56:00 -
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To elaborate a bit on the control your panic, it helps to get into the proper mindset. When you first go looking for a fight, do just that, look for a fight. Don't worry about target selection at first, don't worry about if it is a trap, don't worry about how you are going to get home. Just go shoot something. Once you get in the combat mindset you can quickly decide if you are going to fight on that occasion and act accordingly but at first just go shoot something.
Sure you are going to lose ships but ships are easy to get, the benefits to your state of mind will be much greater than any hit your wallet may take (provided you don't do something really stupid).
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Eternum Praetorian
Method In Khaos
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Posted - 2010.04.18 23:04:00 -
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I asked allot of questions, and started gathering ship fits and observing the techniques of those who seemed very good at PVP from day one.
That was two years ago, and I am still not done learning.
Here is where you can learn too, and it is free \0/
PWNED Factor's first graduate class yielded 12 of some of the best guys I have ever flown with, 3 of which had a natural aptitude for FC'ing small gangs [Fleet Commander]
Hit me up in game and we will have a chat.
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Waylan Yutani
Gallente
DEATHFUNK
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Posted - 2010.04.19 09:58:00 -
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learn the basics about; fall-off, tracking speed, and ship fittings (search battleclinic for some of the better pilots losses)
learn to use your scanner (most important pvp tool in eve)
stick to one race
master one ship type before moving on (frig hulls are an excellent place to start)
get sisi, to dry test your fits.
loose a ship pr. day (i did)
end game is when you solo 3 guys and not getting an adrenaline rush.. time to leave eve then :)
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Rovain Sess
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Posted - 2010.04.19 12:16:00 -
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The way of the Pod Pilot can be found in Death.
Just start shooting things, and once you've goten into enough scraps - you'll pick up on the current trends, meet other PVPers (many of which will actually offer suggestions), learn skill sets that will assist your efforts, and HAVE FUN. Dont get caught up in perceptions (ie my killboard needs to look great, etc).
Please fly what you can afford to lose and fit, and dont jump into a big gun just cuz.. If all you can fly well is a cheap fit frig, then fly a cheap fit frig. Vs. oh that BS looks so cool, I gotta have it - just to loose it in a ball of fail.
Oh - did I mention - HAVE FUN.. Its a game - so get into an environment that allows a degree of enjoyment - or you'll get frustrated and take a break, come back and get frustrated all over again. As long as you learn from your wins and loses - I'd say your well on your way to becoming space Daimyo...
Sess
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Gareshor
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Posted - 2010.04.20 08:52:00 -
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Something to keep in mind...PvP isn't something that you just learn. PvP is always a learning experience. It's not a like switch where you just say "okay, now I've learned PvP." Any time you cruise through lowsec you'll see people better and worse than you, and even the best PvPers occassionally make mistakes or still have lessons they need to learn. Just take every battle, win or lose, as a lesson, and you'll get good.
Also, look for fights in situations other than the typical lowsec training ground. If you take oppurtunities to learn PvP wherever they appear to you, you'll learn more in a shorter time span.
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Rick Starkiller
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Posted - 2010.04.21 11:18:00 -
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1. use your brain
2. get inspiration by other pvp'ers
3. chose a ship u want to pvp with and which is worthy to pvp with
4. invest as many skillpoints as possible in this ship
5. get to know what ships u can engage with that ship and which not
6. go out and train
7. after u die, think about how u can enhance your fitting and go out again
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Solasta Kovacs
Total Mayhem.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.04.21 11:40:00 -
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Everyone makes the right basic point- time and practice is what allows you to learn. No other way. Even now, 8/10 of my losses are, with hindsight, mistakes. With time you just learn to realise what those mistakes are and what you could have done differently.
3 keys to improving at pvp:-
1- Recognise that a fundamental part of pvp in Eve is getting your intel right. Have maps open in front of you and have friends / scouts etc working hard. You can't take on that Myrm on the gate if you don't have a reasonable idea whats on the other side (unless of course you have a well thought out escape plan...)
2- Know your ship types. You need to be able to realise instantly that a Rapier is likely to web you severely and hold you at range, without looking it up. Its a crucial part of your assessment of the situation and intel.
3- Bear in mind that the agressor often comes off best- all other things being equal.
4- Dont restrict yourself to dead-cert targets. If you do, you'll never have the challenges that will help you learn, and you won't get many good fights. If the odds look evenish (or even slightly against you), have a crack at it. The other guy might be lousy, he might have a mission fit, he might not be paying attention. See point 3...
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Empress Shai
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Posted - 2010.04.21 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Voodoo Ido
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Lose your fear, so that you may find your courage.
Agreed. Be ready to die. It's not like it's perma death (keep a good clone). The phrase "We who are about to die salute you".
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Zeta Zhul
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Posted - 2010.04.21 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Makin' Bacon
I want to get good at small gang PvP. Right now, I am just plain terrible and whenever I kind of search for guides, I only find the most general guidelines.
When I start to do deeper research into the game, I just feel so overwhelmed by the amount of information.
So was it simply experience? Did you just go out and die a whole bunch to learn how to do it?
Are you just a natural?
Did you read some kind of guide? Did you search the wikis? If so, how? Just browse ship loadouts? Just listen to people in your corp?
How did you learn how to PvP well?
Note: I still suck at pvp. So apply grain of salt.
Personally I'd suggest going to the test server. In every constellation there is one station where everything is priced at 100 isk. You can buy and fit a Caracal for under 1,000 isk. Buy and fit 100 Caracals for 100,000 isk. Then go to FD-MLJ where the FFA (Free For All) beacons are and fight anything that moves.
The nice thing is that your account(s) are copied over to the test server so you don't have to start from scratch. Another nice thing is that the character(s) on the test server are completely separate from your regular TQ account(s) so anything done there doesn't affect you -here-. And also those characters on test have their own unique skill queue.
Want to do frigate pvp? Destroyer? Cruiser? Testing out different ideas? Fits? IMO test server offers a lot of opportunities for learning with no negatives ... as long as you learn and obey the test server rules which boil down to: Don't interfere with official testing activities and do not pod.
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