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Koro Sarum
Amarr
Combat Support Associates
Reckoning.
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Posted - 2010.04.14 03:50:00 -
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Edited by: Koro Sarum on 14/04/2010 03:49:59
 Originally by: BeanBagKing
Edited by: BeanBagKing on 13/04/2010 05:53:46
I just finished reading over the new dev blog HERE to discover that CCP doesn't like it when there is "a division between older "haves" and newer "have-nots"". Well I see that if you re-word some of the blog you get this...
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Originally by: "CCP Lemur"
This creates a division between older "haves" and newer "have-nots": as a new player coming into the game, the only way you'd be able to reach points outside the system proper get a T2 BPO would be to acquire a bookmark T2 BPO from an older player.
Thank you Tres Farmer
So my suggestion is to now destroy all the T2 BPO's! No need to compensate anyone, just give them some warning and then POOF! delete them all! MWAHAHAHAHAHA!
So CCP, now that we are taking away anything in the game that makes life for new players unfair, when can we expect this change? I hope next week so that my T2 BPC's become much more valuable (not).
I agree everything that all the players that have been playing since the beginning of the game is unfair we should wipe all sov/sp/bpos/isk so its much more fair to us new players to compete with them because its way to hard to get the where they are I mean they've only been playing for years more than we have and worked to get all of what they have now 
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Torothanax
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Posted - 2010.04.14 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: Misanthra
Slept lol....I live my life one pos bash at a time lol. Dulls the senses. that and newish player (oldest toon is like 9 months :( ). Why I don't see why the its not fair argument exists. I came to terms with it long ago.
Guy got a reward back in the day and still around to use it. Good on him. Its always new players as well. Only people with semi-legit gripes would be those playing at the time...and didn't win the lottery. Yet I never see them in any of these threads. Probably because they knew it was a LOTTERY...few people won, many lost. Lost over 150 mil in lotteries recently...why its called chance lol.
Every other other MMO out there rewards long term players, why should eve be different.
Cool in an alliance btw...least not like half these people who complain about them but no balz to actually go live the life a bit.
OOO OOO OOO me me me, I was around for the lotto. I got jack ****. I think I've mentioned this a couple times.
Like I also said before, I'm more for giving a very very low chance of scoring a t2 bpo with every invention job rather then compeletly doing away with them. That or making invention BPCs way more effecient.
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.04.14 04:38:00 -
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I'd just be happy if BPO ME actually did something for invention. Like high enough and get a -1 without decryptors, maybe mega PE to get reduced production times.
A 0 BPC would be nice, or even a one time ME fix on a bpc be better.
Chance of T2 bpo would be best way...it been establshed bpc's provide the volume for market anyway, not sure why its bad and not been done. Hell I am cheap ammo T2 bpo owner...I wouldn't mind. Mainly because I will never get the ones I really want, I'd take the hit on investment on the one I got now to have even the slightest chance at say a sabre bpo lol. Main will be blowing them up at some point...chance to save a few million per ship and ship out to the front would be very nice lol.
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Torothanax
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Posted - 2010.04.15 03:54:00 -
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I'm kinda interested in continuing this topic. Anyone else have an oppion?
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.04.15 04:11:00 -
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Edited by: Misanthra on 15/04/2010 04:12:10
well if we want to continue in the spirit of this making gameg fair for new and old players thread....no ships above noob ships lol. have heard of noob ship tourneys, quite challenging actually by all accounts. Really got to know how to fly and fit to survive let alone win.
Since you were around for lottery, what was the the RP points total to be elligible anyway. Did this favor the once a year datacore collectors? Or would someone like my indy who collects once a month (about my turn around for copies in public labs) even have had a shot in the lottery? Since the T2 mechanism flawed, would like to know if it got a strond start with a flawed lottery that favored the once a year people lol.
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Torothanax
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Posted - 2010.04.15 04:18:00 -
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Edited by: Torothanax on 15/04/2010 04:22:44
Basicly the more RPs you had the more "tickets" you had in the drawing. You could do one mission each day for each research agent to double your rp's for the day. Or maybe it was just extra rp's (sorry it's been years). I didn't do them very often I admit, but I know people who had the best agents and did thier missions EVERY SINGLE DAY that didn't win either. You can still do the missions btw.
They drew every once in a while; don't remember the time frame, to see who got BPOs. The more people who had RP's in your field of research the less chance you had of winning. So you had to pick what you wanted to go for, kinda. The field anyway. Oh and RP's had no other use then for the lotto. Afterward there was no point to them, until they added data core exchange for invention. So people that had gone in for the lotto did get jump start on invention. Small consolation though.
At least CCP admits the lotto was a bad idea.
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Davral
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Posted - 2010.04.16 04:17:00 -
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They will nerf T2 BPO so non holders of BPO can make more profit because they work more for their items. BPO holders will have less profit and will not be able to make the market price.
Why you keep winning about it?
With deep space safe spots it's easier to remove it to level the play field. That's it !!!
To all newcomers:
I started Eve in 2003, i remember mining 3 weeks to be able to buy a Thorax. Work your way up, think, invest and stop f___ winning so much.
To all winning babies:
Life it's hard and so it's Eve-our virtual life :) Eve it's here to make you ready for real life :)))
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.16 06:38:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
No one has got them free.
Even the original lotto winners had to work for the standing with the R&D agents
Originally by: Davral
Why you keep winning about it?
I started Eve in 2003, i remember mining 3 weeks to be able to buy a Thorax. Work your way up, think, invest and stop f___ winning so much.
To all winning babies:)))
Yes, stop winning and start losing.
...?
Look, I'll make it easy for everyone.
Take every t2 bpo and make it a 1000 run bpc (for anything large. items, ships)
drones, ammo, etc, we'll give you 10,000 & 500,000 (respectively)
my work here is done.
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.04.16 08:18:00 -
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it still would have boosted me/pe and still unfair
Lots of people got stuff in this game I want...either I save up for it or just say oh well. Not seeing the need to remove state ravens for example jsut cause I wasn't around for em when not 16+ billion isk ships, and would probably not spend that much money on them if ever found on sale now.
If you can't be with the one you love...love the one you're with. Lot of message in that lyric lol.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2010.04.16 09:00:00 -
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOOOOOOLOLOLOLOLOLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
Rant reply to rant posting best reply.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.04.16 09:14:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 16/04/2010 09:15:04
How about not destroying them all, but to disable manufacturing from a T2 BPO and only to allow copying it?
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Torothanax
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Posted - 2010.04.17 06:51:00 -
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Edited by: Torothanax on 17/04/2010 06:51:06
I already posted this, but since we have two threads going now...
I think more t2 BPO's is exactly what we need. I think every single invention job should have a very small chance of scoring a t2 BPO. Just don't make it like the orginal lotto with a limited number given out. The items that get invented the most would end up having the most t2 BPOs in circulation. Seems balanced to me. Keep the chance low enough that t2 BPOs don't become as trivial as t1 BPOs though.
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente
Biotronics Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.17 09:28:00 -
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Edited by: Tarron Sarek on 17/04/2010 09:33:35
Originally by: Torothanax
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God, this pointless T2 BPO drivel again. Some facts:
95% of the current T2 BPO holders didn't gain it through the original lottery, but investment.
People who buy the BPO's often do so at insane prices: most owners will only part with the BPO for a price that would equal three to five years of non-stop usage.
Even though T2 BPC's have a detrimental -4 ME/PE, they can still be mass produced unlike the BPO's solid number. This is why small/medium ammo BPO's aren't very profitable at all. T2 BPC's can provide WAY more profit than BPO's if you're smart and hard-working.
So what if 'it isn't fair'. Is anything in Eve ever fair? If you so want a BPO, start saving up. Or do you just want it easy? I'm afraid it doesn't work like that.
Just because people made stupid investments, doesn't mean T2 BPOs should be left as they are. The fact that people are willing to spend obscene amounts of isk on them should indicate something.
The point is, those players didn't get them for free.
So there's absolutely nothing 'unfair' in it.
Apart from that, yes, T2 BPOs and the lottery weren't the brightest of ideas.
If it were for me I'd say BPOs are generally a bad idea. Everything 'infinite' and involving large amounts of ingame credits has a high possibility of creating problems sooner or later.
But it's probably a bit too late to correct these decisions. And what we definitely don't need is more BPOs.
Boosting invention might be viable, though.
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Torothanax
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Posted - 2010.04.19 00:18:00 -
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Edited by: Torothanax on 19/04/2010 00:26:08
Originally by: Tarron Sarek
The point is, those players didn't get them for free.
So there's absolutely nothing 'unfair' in it.
Apart from that, yes, T2 BPOs and the lottery weren't the brightest of ideas.
If it were for me I'd say BPOs are generally a bad idea. Everything 'infinite' and involving large amounts of ingame credits has a high possibility of creating problems sooner or later.
But it's probably a bit too late to correct these decisions. And what we definitely don't need is more BPOs.
Boosting invention might be viable, though.
I had all the science skills before invention, got most of them back during the lotto, for "just in case". They were all 50-200 mil. I might have paid more for a couple. How much are they all now? 10mil, readily availible. My orginal hulk was 600 mil. I still own it. Last I checked they were goin for 100 mil. Similar story for the Mack. T2 strips were 30 mil when I bought them. 5 mil now? I can keep going if you like. I've lost billions since starting the game.
Just about everything I've ever bought in game has depreciated dramaticly in price over the years. I'd wager this to be the case with the vast majority of Eve players. Why should T2 bpo holders be special?
Again, just because someone payed obscene amounts for a bad investment, doesn't mean they deserve protection. How many ACTIVE t2 bpo holders are out there anyway? I bet it's a minute percentage of the popluation. One more reason to not protect them.
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente
Biotronics Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.19 02:09:00 -
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Well, to be honest, I miss some understandable and valid reasons to delete T2 BPOs.
"The newer t2 items have no BPOs. There are no T3 BPOs"
That's absolutely right. Couriously, though, the market for those items doesn't really differ all that much from items that do have T2 BPOs.
So what's the point? It really seems to boil down to envy, because let's face it - those BPOs don't do any harm.
Nowadays, the true money lies in high-grade moons (technetium anyone?) anyway. T2 BPO dominance is a thing of the past.
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Torothanax
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Posted - 2010.04.19 02:54:00 -
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Why remove deep safe book marks? Why change Sov mechanics? Why change moon mining? Why seed the market with science skill books? Ect... Because they all gave/give an unfair advantage to established players.
The market doens't need T2 BPOs to function. They only serve to give a substanial time savings and isk earning advantage. Thier extreme pricing is indicative of this.
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