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BeanBagKing
Ch3mic4l Warfare
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Posted - 2010.04.13 05:53:00 -
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Edited by: BeanBagKing on 13/04/2010 05:53:46
I just finished reading over the new dev blog HERE to discover that CCP doesn't like it when there is "a division between older "haves" and newer "have-nots"". Well I see that if you re-word some of the blog you get this...
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Originally by: "CCP Lemur"
This creates a division between older "haves" and newer "have-nots": as a new player coming into the game, the only way you'd be able to reach points outside the system proper get a T2 BPO would be to acquire a bookmark T2 BPO from an older player.
Thank you Tres Farmer
So my suggestion is to now destroy all the T2 BPO's! No need to compensate anyone, just give them some warning and then POOF! delete them all! MWAHAHAHAHAHA!
So CCP, now that we are taking away anything in the game that makes life for new players unfair, when can we expect this change? I hope next week so that my T2 BPC's become much more valuable (not).
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.04.13 06:12:00 -
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no....t2 bpo hater's tears, best tears.
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Void Kraken
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Posted - 2010.04.13 06:19:00 -
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yes....t2 bpo owner's tears, best tears.
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Reggie Stoneloader
JAFA Trade and Manufacturing Cooperative
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Posted - 2010.04.13 06:20:00 -
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T2 BPOs are okay by me. The lottery was a long time ago, and nowadays the demand is so great that BPO holders can't possibly meet it. Thus, inventors have a huge influence on market averages. A T2 BPO is great, because you can research it and use it to reduce your production costs, but you're just enjoying more profit from your sales, you aren't selling it below an inventor's production costs. It hurts the feelings a little when you see guys who have it easy, but it's no more abhorrent than getting owned by guys who have the cash, skillpoints and infrastructure to hot-drop your gate camp, or jumping into a wormhole to see that somebody already set up shop there and is farming all the goodies with his two triage carriers.
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.04.13 07:45:00 -
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Originally by: BeanBagKing
[So CCP, now that we are taking away anything in the game that makes life for new players unfair, when can we expect this change?
This in a dev blog  ? Can I tack on some items?
While t2 gets destroyed, lets get rid of all researched bpos. Just not fair a 4 year old indy has a high me raven bpo to reduce cost of BS' in his golem production line. We all get 0/0 bpo's...anything else would too advantageous.
And alliance tourney prizes from any tourney prior to last year, wipe those too. I could not grace such tourney's with my presence, and I do like those prize ships from years past. fact I was not playing is immaterial. Some guy has an op ship that would whoop my butt in pvp cause he was playing 2 years ago and I wasn't...that injustice needs to be resolved with a quickness lol.
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Euphoria May
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Posted - 2010.04.13 07:52:00 -
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seems to me a good idea.... at least everyone will play with the same rules :)
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BeanBagKing
Ch3mic4l Warfare
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Posted - 2010.04.13 07:56:00 -
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Originally by: Misanthra
Originally by: BeanBagKing
[So CCP, now that we are taking away anything in the game that makes life for new players unfair, when can we expect this change?
This in a dev blog ? Can I tack on some items?
While t2 gets destroyed, lets get rid of all researched bpos. Just not fair a 4 year old indy has a high me raven bpo to reduce cost of BS' in his golem production line. We all get 0/0 bpo's...anything else would too advantageous.
And alliance tourney prizes from any tourney prior to last year, wipe those too. I could not grace such tourney's with my presence, and I do like those prize ships from years past. fact I was not playing is immaterial. Some guy has an op ship that would whoop my butt in pvp cause he was playing 2 years ago and I wasn't...that injustice needs to be resolved with a quickness lol.
Finally someone is getting into the spirit of this post! Those unique ships are DEFIANTLY unfair! Remove them all! Anything that will give players an advantage just because of their age needs to be nerfed!
Wait, because SP is based on age, that means players like me are at a disadvantage to those that have been playing since 2004, NERF SP! Reset everything to 0!
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ULTImatio
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Posted - 2010.04.13 08:24:00 -
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Edited by: ULTImatio on 13/04/2010 08:27:58
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=748
All Deep-Safe-Spots will be removed on Tyrannis patch deployment.
Dam whatÆs that about, every new player can make those.
Check this CCP source:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Safe_Spot_Bookmarking
Read this article CCP posts:
http://sites.google.com/site/lsouljacker/home/Poseidon-Manual.pdf
Now CCP forced me on a personal mission to attack the T2 BPO holders.
If CCP takes away my safe spots then they have to take away there T2 BPOÆs
ItÆs just unfair based on the following principle:
QUOTE:
On top of this, in Tyrannis we're (hopefully!) removing the last of the various bugs that allow deep safes to be created. This will place us firmly into a situation where the only way to access locations outside the system proper will be via "legacy" bookmarks. This creates a division between older "haves" and newer "have-nots": as a new player coming into the game, the only way you'd be able to reach points outside the system proper would be to acquire a bookmark from an older player.
So hereby I call upon you all to send in a T2 BPO EXPLOID to CCP.
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Aylara
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Posted - 2010.04.13 09:04:00 -
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Yep, take T2 BPO's out from the game. Level a little bit the play field.
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Lord Dralos
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Posted - 2010.04.13 10:07:00 -
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getting rid of the bpos wont change a thing imo it will only give those who have tons of bpc's stocked away a massive cash gain hence turning the have nots into the haves to bring things in line and to use a very rarely used skill with the launch of planets should allow the use of archeology with a % chance factor on finding new bpo's to allow the have nots a chance to become a have not take away something just because you think its not fair i mean come on lol.
im a miner and industrialist take away all t2 and t3 warships and weapons and make things fairer for me and my kind lol not gonna happen and nor should it.
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Hadrian Walls
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Posted - 2010.04.13 10:33:00 -
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How about a new way to create T2 BPO's for newer players?
Such as 100 T2 BPC's (of same ME/PE/Runs), a research Database of the relevant NPC Corp, maybe extra Datacores, could (with a chance of success) be turned into a T2 BPO.
This would still mean a substantial amount of invention work to create, but makes T2 BPO's accessible to everyone.
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Seishi Maru
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2010.04.13 10:58:00 -
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Supportted!
No DOUBLE face values CCP!
IF THe deep safes that were meaningful and SMART usage of game mechanics by players are to be nerfed and the shisp they stored there destroyed, because older players shoudl NOT have advantage.
Then KEEP YOUR WORD! And REMOVE t2 BPOs from game! They are far more "exploitable" and have far more negative competition effect than deep safes.
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr
GK inc.
Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.04.13 11:04:00 -
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God, this pointless T2 BPO drivel again. Some facts:
95% of the current T2 BPO holders didn't gain it through the original lottery, but investment.
People who buy the BPO's often do so at insane prices: most owners will only part with the BPO for a price that would equal three to five years of non-stop usage.
Even though T2 BPC's have a detrimental -4 ME/PE, they can still be mass produced unlike the BPO's solid number. This is why small/medium ammo BPO's aren't very profitable at all. T2 BPC's can provide WAY more profit than BPO's if you're smart and hard-working.
So what if 'it isn't fair'. Is anything in Eve ever fair? If you so want a BPO, start saving up. Or do you just want it easy? I'm afraid it doesn't work like that.
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Torothanax
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Posted - 2010.04.13 11:08:00 -
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Needed to happen a LONG time ago. That or add a very low chance to score a bpo with every invention job. Or come up with a way for invention to be just as effecient. I was around for the suck ass lotto. I didn't get a bpo, as most people didn't. I'd have loved to have gotten rich early on, and would love the extra cash for less work they bring in versus invention. Less time working for isk and more time for pvp.
Originally by: Misanthra
While t2 gets destroyed, lets get rid of all researched bpos. Just not fair a 4 year old indy has a high me raven bpo to reduce cost of BS' in his golem production line. We all get 0/0 bpo's...anything else would too advantageous.
Really? Wow, how come my T1 BPO quality has ZERO effect on my T2 BPCs? Better do some research.
The rest of your post is way off too. New players can put in the time and research thier readily availible t1 BPOs. Not so with with T2 BPOs. As for the tourney reward ships, who the hell would fly those in pvp? Are you smoking dope? There was one Golden Magnate EVER. It's gone because it was used in pvp. 'Twould be nice if there were an extrememly difficult way to obtain more of these ultra rare ships, but there's zero reason to remove them. They are a non factor in pvp.
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Torothanax
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Posted - 2010.04.13 11:15:00 -
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Quote:
God, this pointless T2 BPO drivel again. Some facts:
95% of the current T2 BPO holders didn't gain it through the original lottery, but investment.
People who buy the BPO's often do so at insane prices: most owners will only part with the BPO for a price that would equal three to five years of non-stop usage.
Even though T2 BPC's have a detrimental -4 ME/PE, they can still be mass produced unlike the BPO's solid number. This is why small/medium ammo BPO's aren't very profitable at all. T2 BPC's can provide WAY more profit than BPO's if you're smart and hard-working.
So what if 'it isn't fair'. Is anything in Eve ever fair? If you so want a BPO, start saving up. Or do you just want it easy? I'm afraid it doesn't work like that.
Just because people made stupid investments, doesn't mean T2 BPOs should be left as they are. The fact that people are willing to spend obscene amounts of isk on them should indicate something.
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Linistitul
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Posted - 2010.04.13 12:09:00 -
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Edited by: Linistitul on 13/04/2010 12:10:16
Originally by: Torothanax
Quote:
God, this pointless T2 BPO drivel again. Some facts:
95% of the current T2 BPO holders didn't gain it through the original lottery, but investment.
People who buy the BPO's often do so at insane prices: most owners will only part with the BPO for a price that would equal three to five years of non-stop usage.
Even though T2 BPC's have a detrimental -4 ME/PE, they can still be mass produced unlike the BPO's solid number. This is why small/medium ammo BPO's aren't very profitable at all. T2 BPC's can provide WAY more profit than BPO's if you're smart and hard-working.
So what if 'it isn't fair'. Is anything in Eve ever fair? If you so want a BPO, start saving up. Or do you just want it easy? I'm afraid it doesn't work like that.
Just because people made stupid investments, doesn't mean T2 BPOs should be left as they are. The fact that people are willing to spend obscene amounts of isk on them should indicate something.
Also you can always resell that T2 BPO and get your investment back + a very fat profit.
Soooo CCP, don't use double standards, remove the T2 BPO's
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr
GK inc.
Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.04.13 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Torothanax
Quote:
God, this pointless T2 BPO drivel again. Some facts:
95% of the current T2 BPO holders didn't gain it through the original lottery, but investment.
People who buy the BPO's often do so at insane prices: most owners will only part with the BPO for a price that would equal three to five years of non-stop usage.
Even though T2 BPC's have a detrimental -4 ME/PE, they can still be mass produced unlike the BPO's solid number. This is why small/medium ammo BPO's aren't very profitable at all. T2 BPC's can provide WAY more profit than BPO's if you're smart and hard-working.
So what if 'it isn't fair'. Is anything in Eve ever fair? If you so want a BPO, start saving up. Or do you just want it easy? I'm afraid it doesn't work like that.
Just because people made stupid investments, doesn't mean T2 BPOs should be left as they are. The fact that people are willing to spend obscene amounts of isk on them should indicate something.
Stupid investments? They played the game as it was given to them, and they're dumb for doing that? No, they're smart, and can make a decent amount of money because they were smart enough to think that way. They can't help it that you're too lazy and effortless to do what they did.
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Seishi Maru
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2010.04.13 14:23:00 -
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As are some peopel too lazy to learn to make their own deep safes?
Its the SAME THING! No double standards shoudl be in game. Tranform all T2 bpos in 100 run BPCs and DONE.
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Czert ElPrezidente
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.13 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Misanthra
While t2 gets destroyed, lets get rid of all researched bpos. Just not fair a 4 year old indy has a high me raven bpo to reduce cost of BS' in his golem production line. We all get 0/0 bpo's...anything else would too advantageous.
Everyone can get T1 BPO and having them at resoanbvel lvl (say 500 me and 50 te) is only matter of few nonts, but normal player have no chance of aguiting t2 BPO.
Yes, T2 owners dont rule market, but they have much bigger profit than others. Advanatge of longer time, more skills isnt enough for you ?
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Posted - 2010.04.13 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Czert ElPrezidente
Originally by: Misanthra
While t2 gets destroyed, lets get rid of all researched bpos. Just not fair a 4 year old indy has a high me raven bpo to reduce cost of BS' in his golem production line. We all get 0/0 bpo's...anything else would too advantageous.
Everyone can get T1 BPO and having them at resoanbvel lvl (say 500 me and 50 te) is only matter of few nonts, but normal player have no chance of aguiting t2 BPO.
Yes, T2 owners dont rule market, but they have much bigger profit than others. Advanatge of longer time, more skills isnt enough for you ?
you can make some isk and buy a T2 BPO. there are tons of them on sale atm.
p.s.: ME 500 is waste of a lot of money.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.04.13 15:54:00 -
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Completely erroneous comparison, even with the fancy colouration and strike-throughs:
Bookmarks can be created, copied and destroyed at will .. BPO's can only be destroyed.
One could use the same quote to justify giving all new players 35M skill points and umpteen billion as a "leg up".
Apples and Oranges.
PS: I hate fruit!
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari
Cruoris Seraphim
Exalted.
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Posted - 2010.04.13 16:13:00 -
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T2 bpo's are just unfair. Sure you can make bpc's but bpo owners still have free isk for no effort at all compared to all that trouble first making t2 bpc (LOL LUCK BASED/NO ME/PE). T2 bpo lottery was most stupid thing in eve this far.
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Czert ElPrezidente
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.13 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever
you can make some isk and buy a T2 BPO. there are tons of them on sale atm.
p.s.: ME 500 is waste of a lot of money.
Translate - work hard for that someone get for free.
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Valandril
Caldari
Ex-Mortis
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Posted - 2010.04.13 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn
T2 bpo's are just unfair. Sure you can make bpc's but bpo owners still have free isk for no effort at all compared to all that trouble first making t2 bpc (LOL LUCK BASED/NO ME/PE). T2 bpo lottery was most stupid thing in eve this far.
Don't worry, just wiping t2 bpos would top lottery easily when it comes to stupidity of ideas. Not to mention that it would require at least 4-5 years announcement before it will actually happen (otherwise we will have effect similar to tractor beams). Not to mention that invention is very profitable, just invent something where there is less competition.
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Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.13 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Czert ElPrezidente
Originally by: darius mclever
you can make some isk and buy a T2 BPO. there are tons of them on sale atm.
p.s.: ME 500 is waste of a lot of money.
Translate - work hard for that someone get for free.
No one has got them free.
Even the original lotto winners had to work for the standing with the R&D agents, train for the R&D skills and accumulate RP that were all spent when they got a BPO.
It can seem little to you that have started playing with the nice x2 training speed bonus and the easy to get stat implants, but in a time when 2 million made you a good character, having 2 million SP in R&D alone was a way to seriously cripple your character for any other activity.
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Torothanax
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Posted - 2010.04.13 23:39:00 -
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Edited by: Torothanax on 13/04/2010 23:42:30
Originally by: Grarr Dexx
Stupid investments? They played the game as it was given to them, and they're dumb for doing that? No, they're smart, and can make a decent amount of money because they were smart enough to think that way. They can't help it that you're too lazy and effortless to do what they did.
Smart? Paying billions for an item that "supposedly" takes 5 years to pay off? BTW the majority of t2 bpo holders are or were rich null sec alliance leadership that made most of thier money off all but free moon mining and ultra rich space. They didn't work any harder then I have in game. They just started a bit earlier then I did and claimed valueable space. Space that provided enough wealth to make them almost impossible to dislodge.
Concentration of wealth. Not a good thing.
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Torothanax
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Posted - 2010.04.13 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
No one has got them free.
Even the original lotto winners had to work for the standing with the R&D agents, train for the R&D skills and accumulate RP that were all spent when they got a BPO.
Which is the same thing you do know for invention. Only now there are no chances for a T2 BPO. Thousands of people did the same back then for the lotto and got nothing. Me included. So yeah, orginally they were pretty much free to a lucky few. Having a monopoly for almost 2 years on t2 production didn't hurt them any either.
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.04.14 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: Torothanax
They didn't work any harder then I have in game. They just started a bit earlier then I did and claimed valueable space. Space that provided enough wealth to make them almost impossible to dislodge.
Concentration of wealth. Not a good thing.
Have you lived in null sec? Alliances work damn hard at keeping their space. have you organized fuel for 50+ cap fleets, planned out days of ops based on pos timers and worked out financing reimbursements for the 10's if not hundreds of ships that can be lost in a busy weekend. Alliances do week,month, hell year long campaigns to either defend or take space. Not easy stuff...
Secondly not impossible to dislodge. In the past few months fountain and delve saw lots of SOV changes. Maybe more to follow as the current war unfolds. Pick a side and join the fight. GF's to be had by all.
Originally by: Czert ElPrezidente
Originally by: darius mclever
you can make some isk and buy a T2 BPO. there are tons of them on sale atm.
p.s.: ME 500 is waste of a lot of money.
Translate - work hard for that someone get for free.
have you done this? How the hell is it free? Researching for each race is approx 40 mil per race for skillbooks. Lab and research skills, again lots of isk. My most expensive toon to skill up is my indy...and he only does 2 races and builds up to T2 cruisers
Building up R&D agents....a spec'd RP collector exhanges high paying missions for longer range goals. Since usually not combat specialists...farming damsels and extravaganza's just not in the cards for them. People a few years back got a nice reward for grinding up this crap. good for them. All I get is "free" datacores for sale or invention...meh, better than nothing I say.
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Torothanax
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Posted - 2010.04.14 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: Misanthra
Have you lived in null sec? Alliances work damn hard at keeping their space. have you organized fuel for 50+ cap fleets, planned out days of ops based on pos timers and worked out financing reimbursements for the 10's if not hundreds of ships that can be lost in a busy weekend. Alliances do week,month, hell year long campaigns to either defend or take space. Not easy stuff...
Secondly not impossible to dislodge. In the past few months fountain and delve saw lots of SOV changes. Maybe more to follow as the current war unfolds. Pick a side and join the fight. GF's to be had by all.
Yes, yes, and yes. In the drone regions actually, which is alot more work for less profit.
How long did Bob rule supreem? Since 2004? Why did they crash and burn? Internal sabotage and goons. Basicly. You'll recall sweeping changes to null sec and sov recently as well. Or did you sleep through that?
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.04.14 02:22:00 -
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Slept lol....I live my life one pos bash at a time lol. Dulls the senses. that and newish player (oldest toon is like 9 months :( ). Why I don't see why the its not fair argument exists. I came to terms with it long ago.
Guy got a reward back in the day and still around to use it. Good on him. Its always new players as well. Only people with semi-legit gripes would be those playing at the time...and didn't win the lottery. Yet I never see them in any of these threads. Probably because they knew it was a LOTTERY...few people won, many lost. Lost over 150 mil in lotteries recently...why its called chance lol.
Every other other MMO out there rewards long term players, why should eve be different.
Cool in an alliance btw...least not like half these people who complain about them but no balz to actually go live the life a bit.
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Koro Sarum
Amarr
Combat Support Associates
Reckoning.
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Posted - 2010.04.14 03:50:00 -
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Edited by: Koro Sarum on 14/04/2010 03:49:59
Originally by: BeanBagKing
Edited by: BeanBagKing on 13/04/2010 05:53:46
I just finished reading over the new dev blog HERE to discover that CCP doesn't like it when there is "a division between older "haves" and newer "have-nots"". Well I see that if you re-word some of the blog you get this...
Quote:
Originally by: "CCP Lemur"
This creates a division between older "haves" and newer "have-nots": as a new player coming into the game, the only way you'd be able to reach points outside the system proper get a T2 BPO would be to acquire a bookmark T2 BPO from an older player.
Thank you Tres Farmer
So my suggestion is to now destroy all the T2 BPO's! No need to compensate anyone, just give them some warning and then POOF! delete them all! MWAHAHAHAHAHA!
So CCP, now that we are taking away anything in the game that makes life for new players unfair, when can we expect this change? I hope next week so that my T2 BPC's become much more valuable (not).
I agree everything that all the players that have been playing since the beginning of the game is unfair we should wipe all sov/sp/bpos/isk so its much more fair to us new players to compete with them because its way to hard to get the where they are I mean they've only been playing for years more than we have and worked to get all of what they have now 
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Posted - 2010.04.14 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: Misanthra
Slept lol....I live my life one pos bash at a time lol. Dulls the senses. that and newish player (oldest toon is like 9 months :( ). Why I don't see why the its not fair argument exists. I came to terms with it long ago.
Guy got a reward back in the day and still around to use it. Good on him. Its always new players as well. Only people with semi-legit gripes would be those playing at the time...and didn't win the lottery. Yet I never see them in any of these threads. Probably because they knew it was a LOTTERY...few people won, many lost. Lost over 150 mil in lotteries recently...why its called chance lol.
Every other other MMO out there rewards long term players, why should eve be different.
Cool in an alliance btw...least not like half these people who complain about them but no balz to actually go live the life a bit.
OOO OOO OOO me me me, I was around for the lotto. I got jack ****. I think I've mentioned this a couple times.
Like I also said before, I'm more for giving a very very low chance of scoring a t2 bpo with every invention job rather then compeletly doing away with them. That or making invention BPCs way more effecient.
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.04.14 04:38:00 -
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I'd just be happy if BPO ME actually did something for invention. Like high enough and get a -1 without decryptors, maybe mega PE to get reduced production times.
A 0 BPC would be nice, or even a one time ME fix on a bpc be better.
Chance of T2 bpo would be best way...it been establshed bpc's provide the volume for market anyway, not sure why its bad and not been done. Hell I am cheap ammo T2 bpo owner...I wouldn't mind. Mainly because I will never get the ones I really want, I'd take the hit on investment on the one I got now to have even the slightest chance at say a sabre bpo lol. Main will be blowing them up at some point...chance to save a few million per ship and ship out to the front would be very nice lol.
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Torothanax
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Posted - 2010.04.15 03:54:00 -
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I'm kinda interested in continuing this topic. Anyone else have an oppion?
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.04.15 04:11:00 -
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Edited by: Misanthra on 15/04/2010 04:12:10
well if we want to continue in the spirit of this making gameg fair for new and old players thread....no ships above noob ships lol. have heard of noob ship tourneys, quite challenging actually by all accounts. Really got to know how to fly and fit to survive let alone win.
Since you were around for lottery, what was the the RP points total to be elligible anyway. Did this favor the once a year datacore collectors? Or would someone like my indy who collects once a month (about my turn around for copies in public labs) even have had a shot in the lottery? Since the T2 mechanism flawed, would like to know if it got a strond start with a flawed lottery that favored the once a year people lol.
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Torothanax
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Posted - 2010.04.15 04:18:00 -
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Edited by: Torothanax on 15/04/2010 04:22:44
Basicly the more RPs you had the more "tickets" you had in the drawing. You could do one mission each day for each research agent to double your rp's for the day. Or maybe it was just extra rp's (sorry it's been years). I didn't do them very often I admit, but I know people who had the best agents and did thier missions EVERY SINGLE DAY that didn't win either. You can still do the missions btw.
They drew every once in a while; don't remember the time frame, to see who got BPOs. The more people who had RP's in your field of research the less chance you had of winning. So you had to pick what you wanted to go for, kinda. The field anyway. Oh and RP's had no other use then for the lotto. Afterward there was no point to them, until they added data core exchange for invention. So people that had gone in for the lotto did get jump start on invention. Small consolation though.
At least CCP admits the lotto was a bad idea.
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Davral
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Posted - 2010.04.16 04:17:00 -
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They will nerf T2 BPO so non holders of BPO can make more profit because they work more for their items. BPO holders will have less profit and will not be able to make the market price.
Why you keep winning about it?
With deep space safe spots it's easier to remove it to level the play field. That's it !!!
To all newcomers:
I started Eve in 2003, i remember mining 3 weeks to be able to buy a Thorax. Work your way up, think, invest and stop f___ winning so much.
To all winning babies:
Life it's hard and so it's Eve-our virtual life :) Eve it's here to make you ready for real life :)))
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.16 06:38:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
No one has got them free.
Even the original lotto winners had to work for the standing with the R&D agents
Originally by: Davral
Why you keep winning about it?
I started Eve in 2003, i remember mining 3 weeks to be able to buy a Thorax. Work your way up, think, invest and stop f___ winning so much.
To all winning babies:)))
Yes, stop winning and start losing.
...?
Look, I'll make it easy for everyone.
Take every t2 bpo and make it a 1000 run bpc (for anything large. items, ships)
drones, ammo, etc, we'll give you 10,000 & 500,000 (respectively)
my work here is done.
"A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game." |
Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.04.16 08:18:00 -
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it still would have boosted me/pe and still unfair
Lots of people got stuff in this game I want...either I save up for it or just say oh well. Not seeing the need to remove state ravens for example jsut cause I wasn't around for em when not 16+ billion isk ships, and would probably not spend that much money on them if ever found on sale now.
If you can't be with the one you love...love the one you're with. Lot of message in that lyric lol.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2010.04.16 09:00:00 -
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOOOOOOLOLOLOLOLOLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
Rant reply to rant posting best reply.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.04.16 09:14:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 16/04/2010 09:15:04
How about not destroying them all, but to disable manufacturing from a T2 BPO and only to allow copying it?
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Torothanax
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Posted - 2010.04.17 06:51:00 -
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Edited by: Torothanax on 17/04/2010 06:51:06
I already posted this, but since we have two threads going now...
I think more t2 BPO's is exactly what we need. I think every single invention job should have a very small chance of scoring a t2 BPO. Just don't make it like the orginal lotto with a limited number given out. The items that get invented the most would end up having the most t2 BPOs in circulation. Seems balanced to me. Keep the chance low enough that t2 BPOs don't become as trivial as t1 BPOs though.
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente
Biotronics Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.17 09:28:00 -
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Edited by: Tarron Sarek on 17/04/2010 09:33:35
Originally by: Torothanax
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God, this pointless T2 BPO drivel again. Some facts:
95% of the current T2 BPO holders didn't gain it through the original lottery, but investment.
People who buy the BPO's often do so at insane prices: most owners will only part with the BPO for a price that would equal three to five years of non-stop usage.
Even though T2 BPC's have a detrimental -4 ME/PE, they can still be mass produced unlike the BPO's solid number. This is why small/medium ammo BPO's aren't very profitable at all. T2 BPC's can provide WAY more profit than BPO's if you're smart and hard-working.
So what if 'it isn't fair'. Is anything in Eve ever fair? If you so want a BPO, start saving up. Or do you just want it easy? I'm afraid it doesn't work like that.
Just because people made stupid investments, doesn't mean T2 BPOs should be left as they are. The fact that people are willing to spend obscene amounts of isk on them should indicate something.
The point is, those players didn't get them for free.
So there's absolutely nothing 'unfair' in it.
Apart from that, yes, T2 BPOs and the lottery weren't the brightest of ideas.
If it were for me I'd say BPOs are generally a bad idea. Everything 'infinite' and involving large amounts of ingame credits has a high possibility of creating problems sooner or later.
But it's probably a bit too late to correct these decisions. And what we definitely don't need is more BPOs.
Boosting invention might be viable, though.
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Balance is power, guard hide it well
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Torothanax
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Posted - 2010.04.19 00:18:00 -
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Edited by: Torothanax on 19/04/2010 00:26:08
Originally by: Tarron Sarek
The point is, those players didn't get them for free.
So there's absolutely nothing 'unfair' in it.
Apart from that, yes, T2 BPOs and the lottery weren't the brightest of ideas.
If it were for me I'd say BPOs are generally a bad idea. Everything 'infinite' and involving large amounts of ingame credits has a high possibility of creating problems sooner or later.
But it's probably a bit too late to correct these decisions. And what we definitely don't need is more BPOs.
Boosting invention might be viable, though.
I had all the science skills before invention, got most of them back during the lotto, for "just in case". They were all 50-200 mil. I might have paid more for a couple. How much are they all now? 10mil, readily availible. My orginal hulk was 600 mil. I still own it. Last I checked they were goin for 100 mil. Similar story for the Mack. T2 strips were 30 mil when I bought them. 5 mil now? I can keep going if you like. I've lost billions since starting the game.
Just about everything I've ever bought in game has depreciated dramaticly in price over the years. I'd wager this to be the case with the vast majority of Eve players. Why should T2 bpo holders be special?
Again, just because someone payed obscene amounts for a bad investment, doesn't mean they deserve protection. How many ACTIVE t2 bpo holders are out there anyway? I bet it's a minute percentage of the popluation. One more reason to not protect them.
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente
Biotronics Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.19 02:09:00 -
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Well, to be honest, I miss some understandable and valid reasons to delete T2 BPOs.
"The newer t2 items have no BPOs. There are no T3 BPOs"
That's absolutely right. Couriously, though, the market for those items doesn't really differ all that much from items that do have T2 BPOs.
So what's the point? It really seems to boil down to envy, because let's face it - those BPOs don't do any harm.
Nowadays, the true money lies in high-grade moons (technetium anyone?) anyway. T2 BPO dominance is a thing of the past.
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Torothanax
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Posted - 2010.04.19 02:54:00 -
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Why remove deep safe book marks? Why change Sov mechanics? Why change moon mining? Why seed the market with science skill books? Ect... Because they all gave/give an unfair advantage to established players.
The market doens't need T2 BPOs to function. They only serve to give a substanial time savings and isk earning advantage. Thier extreme pricing is indicative of this.
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