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Benri Konpaku
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Posted - 2010.04.17 20:23:00 -
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Edited by: Benri Konpaku on 17/04/2010 20:23:29
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Benri Konpaku
Originally by: CCP Manifest As you know, adding features players want might increase lag. Fixing "what's broke" and reducing lag means taking time off from adding features that players want. They are all the source of endless internal debate (passionate yelling debate let me tell you) and we do our best to balance them all.
If that's the case then I'm pretty sure everyone here would rather you put new content on hold and focused on fixing existing content and eliminating lag.
Heck make it a whole expansion if you want, call it Stakra.
We did that once - it was called Quantum Rise - people complained that there was no new content. And really, the people who are developing new content probably aren't the same people fixing bugs and working on lag. Thinking of new things to do and how to implement it so that it works well in-game is a different task from optimizing code and finding conflicts and such.
Sorry but I don't think you understood my quote (and specially the bolded part in it).
Fun part is I've said the exact same thing to people asking for the Dust and Incarna teams to drop what they are doing to work on fixing EVE main.
But that doesn't apply here because the team in charge of fixing lag in EVE is also in charge of implementing new content (and expansions) for EVE main. As evidenced by my quote. __________
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.17 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Benri Konpaku Edited by: Benri Konpaku on 17/04/2010 20:23:29
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Benri Konpaku
Originally by: CCP Manifest As you know, adding features players want might increase lag. Fixing "what's broke" and reducing lag means taking time off from adding features that players want. They are all the source of endless internal debate (passionate yelling debate let me tell you) and we do our best to balance them all.
If that's the case then I'm pretty sure everyone here would rather you put new content on hold and focused on fixing existing content and eliminating lag.
Heck make it a whole expansion if you want, call it Stakra.
We did that once - it was called Quantum Rise - people complained that there was no new content. And really, the people who are developing new content probably aren't the same people fixing bugs and working on lag. Thinking of new things to do and how to implement it so that it works well in-game is a different task from optimizing code and finding conflicts and such.
Sorry but I don't think you understood my quote (and specially the bolded part in it).
Fun part is I've said the exact same thing to people asking for the Dust and Incarna teams to drop what they are doing to work on fixing EVE main.
But that doesn't apply here because the team in charge of fixing lag in EVE is also in charge of implementing new content (and expansions) for EVE main. As evidenced by my quote.
Just to add fuel to the fire I would wager that fixing the lag introduced with Dominion would be a rather wanted 'feature' for all the alliance players. I mean what good is new content(sov 2.0) if you can't even play it? And now we are going to get even moar new content that may or may not add to the lag issues(or something different but still game breaking) when the old issues are still around? New shiney is nice and all but tbh we have enough content in the game at this point to keep all but the oldest players occupied for years and years to come.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Pheusia
Gallente The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.04.17 21:19:00 -
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Tyrannis is basically a stage-setter for Dust. Which is actually fine by me, it's perfectly sensible for CCP to do this, and I hope it helps to make Dust 514 a success.
The big deal for this year is Incarna. And it is a big deal, whether or not a certain subset of the forum population want to admit that. It's the start of EVE transitioning from Internet Spaceships to Full SciFi Simulator - and that has always been the plan. 7500 systems is a pretty big cluster, but engaging in 5,000 stations and 50,000 worlds will make it immeasurably bigger. Signed, Pheusia |
Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.04.17 21:42:00 -
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Verone said " I think the point that he's making is the fact that you barely ever do anything but complain." Most of my posts have not been complaining which from my point of few is something I only ever see you do. In fact a large amount are helping people or talking about the storyline. If you look at my posting habits few of my post are complaining and when they are the complaining it is perfectly valid complaining.
To say most of my posts are complain means you have very selective reading. Or somehow are missing the positive posts and only finding the complaining ones. Saying that pretty much all of your posts I have ever seen have been you compiling about people.
Verone said " Honestly, if you're so disappointed with the game that you have to get a stick wedged in your ass over a features page on the website, maybe you should reconsider where you're investing your $14.95 a month." So because I think he game could be so much more then it is I should quit, right, dream on. If you love a game and see its not making very good progress with new content compared to the past you don't quit. You make posts with the hopes discussions will improve things. Perhaps you like getting sub standed new expasions. Perhaps you like getting sub standard new expansions and less content then in the past. But I am not happy with that. When CCP was much smaller we used to get way more content.
The feature page is a big worry considering how little new gameplay content is listed. Normally once the feature page is up no new features are added to it. Surly I am not the only one that thinks Tyrannis is very light on new game play features? Surly am I not the only one who thinks there isn't enough content listed to keep older players going until the next expansion. Are you happy with the small amount of new content added to Eve these days? Do you think enough content is added to Eve? Do you think we get the same amount of new content as we used to? Like bad in the Red Moon Rising days? How many people preferred the older expansions size and amount of content over the newer expansions?
Merouk Baas said " I also think you're trying to say that Tyrannis will be disappointing. Which, ok. But your post doesn't say that, your post says that the web page is disappointing. The web page isn't; it's a well-designed and good-looking web page." What is am trying to say is Tyrannis looks tiny. There is nowhere near enough new gameplay content. The past few expansions have been far to small with not enough new gameplay content to keep older players happy. In the past we had true large expansions with lots of new and varied game play content. Now we keep getting these mini content path's that are very too small to be classed as expansions. In fact some of the old content patch's had more content then this so called expansion.
I am not saying the planet stuff is going be disappointing. I am saying planet stuff alone does not make an expansion. What happened to expansions with lots of content and lots of varied content. It seems recent expansions never have large amount of varied new content like we used to get. This is very bad for players.
Merouk Baas said " I think you're confusing the feature page that they have out now with the page that they'll have up during the downtime when the patch Tyrannis in." The last few times the path notes had no new game play content that wasn't on the feature pages. Why would Tyrannis be different? my concern is the lack of new gameplay content. I am sure there will be bug fixes and balance's in the patch notes. But will there be more gameplay content? Surely I am not the only player getting bored of doing the same things year in year out due to so little new content added. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.04.18 00:09:00 -
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I just want a rocket fix and a Raven model as shiny as the new scorp
I should probably mention here that for all the complaints here, the CCP devs are a hell of a lot more involved with the community than most games I've played, including (and in fact especially) one that begins with World of... which I still find pretty remarkable after years of wondering if the devs even existed on that game, rather than just a "randomise" button they pushed every time they felt like a patch. _________________________________
Originally by: Dodgy Past Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2010.04.18 00:25:00 -
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I'm just hoping it won't be like fitting a ship.
powergrid and cpu? yawn.
how about workforce (population)? different buildings having different workfroce requirements?
How about you can buy slaves to jump your workforce, but slaves only put out half the efficiency. But you can get them without waiting for your workfroce to grow naturaly.
then base workforce growth on how you run your colony . You can move a slider to effect how fast you mine and produce. The more you push your workforce the slower it grows.
TO build upgrades to the command center all you have to do is get to a certain level of population and gather the right materials, and the blueprint for the upgrade. Blue prints and materials would all be planet side gained goods.
then you pop them in and you gain more CPU and powergrid, or a higher range of building placement, fasters links, faster population growth even at higher level of porduction. anything.
Also have a system in place where you can convert slaves to normal workforce in the future.
also with walking in stations coming PI could be for everything incarna!
Those cool board games we saw at fanfest could be built planet side. drinks, food, clothing. EVERYTHING! that would be awesome.
then one day make it so we walk around on the planets! (basically make it 100 the same as walking in station but with different art assets.) We could own our own home on a planet where we could keep a jump clone, implants, ammo, maybe our alts could be shown on holograms)
I don't know just anythign but
Powergrid and CPU, that you equip things too.
oooo interesting, it took you how long to come up with this design document? 3-4 years? actually planetary interaction has been on the to do list since I joined so, back when only 50k people even played eve. and all they could come up with was a thing you equip things to and mine places then build stuff?
won' be getting a resub from here sadly.
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Arboreal Feline
Nondegradable Tritanium Space Rodents
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Posted - 2010.04.18 01:07:00 -
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Edited by: Arboreal Feline on 18/04/2010 01:09:47 The way I've been viewing Tyrannis is this: Tyrannis is a Lite(TM) expansion which adds a feature, while devoting the majority of it's development time to bug-fixes, lag reduction and various feature polishing. Having a smaller patch with a greater focus on bug fixing earlier on in the year enables CCP to devote more time to the larger Winter expansion, which is hopefully Incarna.
We get bug-fixes and a new shiny to play with now, and they get to give us a better, more involved and all around larger content patch at the end of the year.
A lot of people need to chill-out, and consider that we're getting 2 free major content patches a year. Compared to the majority of the MMO industry(*cough*WoW*cough*), it's a freaking miracle that we even get 1 per year.
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Merouk Baas
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.18 01:59:00 -
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Yeah, maybe they're devoting time to bug-fixes, but they haven't mentioned anything about bug fixes. We'll have to wait to see the patch notes, I suppose.
Though I bet, if they say anything along the lines of "Yeah, guys, that's why we aren't adding much content, we're focusing on bug fixes this expansion", a lot of people will start yelling why they've waited so long to fix the damn bugs. Dominion has been a sucky expansion, because of the bugs, the lag, the nerfs to sov. and moon goo... people are very ****ed off.
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Aera Aiana
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Posted - 2010.04.18 02:38:00 -
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Why do so many of you think of Tyrannis as a "mini patch"/"lite addon"? PI is a pretty big thing. You (or I) may not much care about that feature (yet) but it's pretty obvious that it took quite some doing to develop it.
Lot's of new artwork (all the PI objects have a model, the resource-overlay, ...), lot's and lot's of database work (should be obvious), lot's of gamedesign work (the whole concept is fairly complex), a couple of new sounds (well, pretty meh, but EVE isn't really known for audio-quality). Not to mention all the new UI elements PI requires (ok, conceptually those aren't really that great, yet(?!) - but it still must have been quite a bit of work).
Bottom line: I think this is exactly the right amount of new content. If they try to add more, it just ends up half-finished (and we know that it takes them several years to revisit existing features - if they even bother). One big feature per patch, maybe a bit of additional fluff and bugfixes. That's pretty much what I expect. And - I know hell will freeze over before they do this - I whish they'd finish up one incomplete/broken feature per patch too.
I guess you're really complaining because it doesn't involve blowing up stuff. You do however have to understand that quite a few people do other things with their part of this particular sandbox and they too want new features once in a while. PI and Incarna are probably the only two major features they are to receive for quite some time. -
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Crimsons Storm
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Posted - 2010.04.18 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: Aera Aiana ..... a couple of new sounds (well, pretty meh, but EVE isn't really known for audio-quality). ........
What are these sounds in eve you speak of ??? :P
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Lusulpher
Blackwater Syndicate Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.04.18 04:04:00 -
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Quantum Rise delivered the Orca[and wtflag in all systems]. A ship made for moving your precious rigged ships about, maybe even your faction ones. It can't hold 1 BS. And it warps like a Freighter...
More than a year later. It's Ship Maint Bay is still too small for that BS.
just stating this glaring lack of listening.
Also, the Myrmidon and all T1 ships that were Drone Bandwidth stealthnerfed.
Myrm used to be a PvP boat with only the 5x OgreIIs deployed. Now with blasters it negates it's "dronaeboat" range and can only whip out 3 Ogres [or 3 GardeIIs and rails, if you are really ****ing stupid/optimistic]...
Most T1 ships were supposed to get the ability to bring at least 2 flights of drones, or replacements[seeing as the drone users weapons can be destroyed or lost in chaos]. What happened to that fix? Now they homogenized the dps, limited the PvP tactics and failed to finish the idea.
And your new "Scorp" is a condescending model drawn up by a spineless layabout.
It was around that time that I became a bittervet. Incarna/T3 frigs/stable wormholes/playerbuilt Jumpgates/Capital ship taxes is this Christmas right? I really don't want to tell my friends to start EVE[the world of endless depth and possibilities] again and get humiliated. Again.
Simply for the records.
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Capt Fossil
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.18 04:13:00 -
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But it's NOOB friendly.
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Tillakna
Gallente Rim Collection RC Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2010.04.18 04:22:00 -
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So uh, how about putting the old cyno jump effects back in for Tyrannis? |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2010.04.18 05:38:00 -
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Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 18/04/2010 05:39:31
Originally by: Aera Aiana <sensible stuff>
I guess you're really complaining because it doesn't involve blowing up stuff. You do however have to understand that quite a few people do other things with their part of this particular sandbox and they too want new features once in a while. PI and Incarna are probably the only two major features they are to receive for quite some time.
Whether we get to blow stuff up does matter, but isn't the big issue. My biggest disapointment with EVE at the moment is how CCP removed all the cool possibilities from planets with their plans to use them mainly for DUST. They effectively removed a huge chunk of potential from the game I played to create a setting for another game. It wasn't that bad though, since we would still get to rule and fight over those planets and dominate their populations. Except that it seems none of that is possible in the current PI design.
The main reason for my complaints comes from the fact, that CCP cut one of the biggest possible addition out from the game(able to actual do stuff on the planets) and suck the life and soul out from the planetary management aspect that was still left. I know it isn't final and will get devoleped further, but the game and features have to be commented on what they are and not what they might become.
It doesn't exactly fill me with confidence either, that one of the most awesome additions this game could ever have has turned into a feature I have no interest in playing and I usually enjoy management games. I'm just a little disappointed that what we see on SISI might be the best they could come up with. This is a problem especially after all the cool plans CCP had with the feature. It seems to be missing almost everything they had visioned, so it puts into question their ability to deliver on their plans. It isn't the end of the world, but nothing to get exited about either.
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Arboreal Feline
Nondegradable Tritanium Space Rodents
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Posted - 2010.04.18 05:38:00 -
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Originally by: Aera Aiana Why do so many of you think of Tyrannis as a "mini patch"/"lite addon"? PI is a pretty big thing. You (or I) may not much care about that feature (yet) but it's pretty obvious that it took quite some doing to develop it.
Lot's of new artwork (all the PI objects have a model, the resource-overlay, ...), lot's and lot's of database work (should be obvious), lot's of gamedesign work (the whole concept is fairly complex), a couple of new sounds (well, pretty meh, but EVE isn't really known for audio-quality). Not to mention all the new UI elements PI requires (ok, conceptually those aren't really that great, yet(?!) - but it still must have been quite a bit of work).
Bottom line: I think this is exactly the right amount of new content. If they try to add more, it just ends up half-finished (and we know that it takes them several years to revisit existing features - if they even bother). One big feature per patch, maybe a bit of additional fluff and bugfixes. That's pretty much what I expect. And - I know hell will freeze over before they do this - I whish they'd finish up one incomplete/broken feature per patch too.
I guess you're really complaining because it doesn't involve blowing up stuff. You do however have to understand that quite a few people do other things with their part of this particular sandbox and they too want new features once in a while. PI and Incarna are probably the only two major features they are to receive for quite some time.
I consider it to be a mini/Lite patch because it only adds one feature with no fluff(so far, at least), and because the development cycle is shorter than usual. I have no problem with this, and am quite happy with what I've seen on Sisi so far. It looks like fun to me, and adds a new layer of complexity into the universe, which is always good. It's laying the ground work for Dust 514, and I think it'll be a very convenient target for the Devs to tack on improvements over time in a more modular form than we've seen previously.
I also hope that this means they are trending towards one minor expansion and one major expansion per year. The minor one will easily tide us over until the big one hits, and everyone is happy(except for those people who'd complain if CCP mailed each subscriber a gold ingot).
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Lusulpher
Blackwater Syndicate Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.04.18 05:48:00 -
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Edited by: Lusulpher on 18/04/2010 05:48:06
Originally by: Capt Fossil But it's NOOB friendly.
Addenum to the record.
Good UI layout is EVERYBODY-friendly. And larger font for our older playerbase.
Dammit if EVE doesn't have me 6 inches of my 22inch monitor. Perish the thoughts of enjoying EVE at the safe 1.5 ft minimum. Or on a TV, across the room.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.04.18 07:37:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 18/04/2010 07:38:57 Arboreal Feline said "A lot of people need to chill-out, and consider that we're getting 2 free major content patches a year. Compared to the majority of the MMO industry(*cough*WoW*cough*), it's a freaking miracle that we even get 1 per year." If I compare Eve to other MMO's or even compare Eve to the amount of content it used to get then Eve new content in the past few years is very small and sub standard. Not sub standard quality but sub standard in the amount you get. All the other MMO get lots of free content patch's that are bigger then our expansions. On top of the content patch's they get real big expansions. Take Wow and look at how much free content it gets. Way more than Eve. In fact as I said before just look at Eve's older expansions. For years CCP gave us high quality large expansions. Then for the past few expansions we started getting small content light expansions.
Aera Aiana said "I guess you're really complaining because it doesn't involve blowing up stuff. You do however have to understand that quite a few people do other things with their part of this particular sandbox and they too want new features once in a while. PI" That's part of my point. People do other things. In the past expansions had lots of varied game play content for lots of groups of players. Now you get 1 bit of game play content for one group of players per expansion. I too want new features, I want to see the old days of more than two major new game play features a year. It doesn't even have to be new features, just more new content like new missions.
I said in many times over the years. CCP should have one team that doesn't work on new features. But just works on lots of small new game play content based around current features. Things that don't take up tons of coding time like new features. Just expend what's already out there. Like new missions, new cosmos, new exploring, new faction warefare.
Have you look at the old expansions to see what we used to get? Take a look at the Revelations and older expansions.
From my point of view the new expansions are not up the size or quality of the old expansions. By size I mean what new things players can do. Not how hard it was for the devs to code.
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DRACO selen
The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.18 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: ed jeni [...]fix whats broke add features that the players want reduce lag and above all communicate with the player base in the way that made EVE what it was.
/signed I basicly like the idea of eve becomming a huge sandbox, however, fix lag and bugs first. I really enjoyed eve and fleetfights etc, however, the lag screwed it up by alot. We had fluent (well more of less) fleet battles with over 1000 players before dominion, right now, with 600 people beeing engaged in a battle it's sometimes impossible to do anything. I remember some recent battles: 300 pilots engaged in a battle and after over 30 minutes of fighting about 18 ships died
PI will do what? It will hopefully bring us (beside new content) some more fleet fights, which we can not really fight because of lag (anyone else think that this is some kind of paradox?)
please fix eve before adding new content
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.18 07:56:00 -
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Originally by: DRACO selen please fix eve before adding new content
TBH this should be ccp's primary focus. We Have Moar Than Enough Content For YEARS Of Uninterrupted Solid Gameplay For The Vast Majority Of Players. Put new content on a yearly cycle so the devs have enough time to impliment their ideas without having to 'sprint' to make an artificial deadline that noone really cares about sans the regular pushy juvenile forum whoors who don't count in the greater scheme of things.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Driven Marcelli
Minmatar Evil Overhead
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Posted - 2010.04.18 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Manifest Phew, TLDR Manifest! Gawsh.
What can improve that communication is, well, us. And me. And, I suppose, you. But please do not think these forums fall on deaf ears. It's not the case. They are invaluable for us since we can't sit in every chat, visit every corp website, tap every vent convo and read everyone of the awesome blog posts you guys write.
Capische?
My basic reply is... "yes, you are right". I guess I could have made this a lot shorter... oops.
In all fairness compared to some other people I could name (john smedely comes to mind) you guys are usualy fairly straightforward.
but lets be honest, you guys know you have a bit of a lemon over on Test named PI that is a long ways being the kind of thing we expect from you.
ok in some ways its EXACTLY what we expect from you but you know what I mean.
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seany1212
Stylo Corporation
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Posted - 2010.04.18 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Manifest on the hundreds of thousands of players who play the game.
I lol'ed
On a serious note, while the current lag testing that has been going on on singularity is a step in the right direction its how long it took to look into it that is the problem. Instead of CCP trying to surpass WOW for expansion releases they should fix the issues that 90% of the eve community have been complaining about (bugs, lag, nerfs, etc.) to improve a unique game rather than releasing new bugged content adding to that ever growing list of bug fixes.
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Aera Aiana
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Posted - 2010.04.18 09:37:00 -
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Edited by: Aera Aiana on 18/04/2010 09:39:13
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue My biggest disapointment with EVE at the moment is how CCP removed all the cool possibilities from planets with their plans to use them mainly for DUST. They effectively removed a huge chunk of potential from the game I played to create a setting for another game.
I guess I can agree with that. But I can't really blame them either. To be fair, EVE isn't exactly mainstream and CCP could have pushed it a lot more than they do into that direction if all they cared about were subscriber numbers. Instead, they created a second title to milk that market. It's not a perfect solution since it removes potential from our sandbox, but it's probably better than turning this into yet another mainstream mmo. Anyway, I don't like it either.
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue It wasn't that bad though, since we would still get to rule and fight over those planets and dominate their populations. Except that it seems none of that is possible in the current PI design.
It seems pretty watered down and knowing CCP, that feature won't be revisited. That's why I said I'm glad they didn't try to do more than PI. Their fixed schedule simply doesn't allow for more unless we want it even more unfinished. Anyway, agreed.
Originally by: Pottsey Arboreal Feline said "A lot of people need to chill-out, and consider that we're getting 2 free major content patches a year. Compared to the majority of the MMO industry(*cough*WoW*cough*), it's a freaking miracle that we even get 1 per year." If I compare Eve to other MMO's or even compare Eve to the amount of content it used to get then Eve new content in the past few years is very small and sub standard.
Absolutely. That other game mentioned puts out lot's and lot's of "free" content too. They just don't call it addons since they reserve that term for something you have to pay for. But a content patch for that game usually contains far more than an EVE addon. It's a much larger company though with a much larger subscriber base. In it's early days, the content wasn't anything compared to what it's now. Also, I'm tired of this "free-content"-crap. Nothing is free. We're paying on a monthly basis and to keep us paying, that content is a neccessity, not a free gift.
Originally by: Pottsey Aera Aiana said "I guess you're really complaining because it doesn't involve blowing up stuff. You do however have to understand that quite a few people do other things with their part of this particular sandbox and they too want new features once in a while. PI" That's part of my point. People do other things. In the past expansions had lots of varied game play content for lots of groups of players. Now you get 1 bit of game play content for one group of players per expansion. I too want new features, I want to see the old days of more than two major new game play features a year. It doesn't even have to be new features, just more new content like new missions.
There are already so many features in EVE that most people don't use them all. I'd rather have them add few but polished and high quality features than yet more stuff like faction warfare *cough*. Instead of spending time to come up with new missions, they could dedicate one addon for a random mission generator. It wouldn't be that hard to do something like that for a space MMO. A few hundred text-snippets that can be put together to a missiondescription and objectives linked to the text. Maybe add different missiontypes too. I don't see the point in spending more time for another couple of missions. People grind these things like crazy, so no matter how many new ones they add, people will always be bored by them. Anyway, that was just an example for the type of development I'd like to see. More "big things". I actually don't run a lot of missions. -
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.18 13:15:00 -
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Edited by: Verone on 18/04/2010 13:15:03
Originally by: Pottsey BAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWW!
Pretty much sums the thread up.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.04.18 14:39:00 -
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Well I see Verone is making his usual constructive and helpful posts . Some things never change. Why do I even bother trying to have a civilised conversation with you. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.18 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey Well I see Verone is making his usual constructive and helpful posts . Some things never change. Why do I even bother trying to have a civilised conversation with you.
I guess his point is that you are one of the only poasters in this thread who wants new content over fixing and expanding the current content so you can actually play it.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Seishi Maru
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2010.04.18 15:36:00 -
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Well , I am SURE ccp knows that this is the WEAKEST expansion up to day in eve history. But This CAN be balanced if ccp brings us something really meaningful on next expansion.
This expansion is making a lot of people sad because the last exapansion was already very limited, since its effect was basically on 0.0 (where it made people LESS happy because introduced MUCH more issues than improved things) and on minmatar ships (that are happy). So if you are not a minmatar pilot or someone that have fun with a ZERO action, zero expertise feature like planet development, you got nothing new for 1 year.
As others posted, its EASY to coutner that if ccp had used a VERY LITTLE time to fix very little things, like rockets, cyno effects etc. MINOR details that coudl change the whole perception of the expansion. Dominion was nearly a failure on the Dominion core part, what saved it was mostly the projectile changes. See the pattern? Simple things might have much bettter results.....
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.04.18 15:45:00 -
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Go for a PLEX donation drive with voting rights to a list of top 100 issue fixes that should be fixed asap.
All the monies collected will go towards a CCP "Fixit Now!Ö" donation box. Afterwards, get them to write a written contract vs its benefactors promising to fix the top 10 out of 100 in the issues list at an agreed time period.
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Pesadel0
Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.18 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Verone Edited by: Verone on 18/04/2010 13:15:03
Originally by: Pottsey BAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWW!
Pretty much sums the thread up.
Your nose is getting brown verone , *** expansion , it shouldnt be named expansion even because it brings what new?Planet interaction.. and?
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Mazzarins Demise
Profit Development and Research Association
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Posted - 2010.04.18 16:37:00 -
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I believe this expansion may seem light on the content because it's merely a stepping-stone expansion for the next big hits to come: Dust-514 and Incarna. This expansion is one of the many support structures leading to the merge of these two ground-breaking additions to the game. I personally believe that the devs are focusing most of their development resources on Dust and Incarna, as they should in my opinion. And I certainly don't fault them for that.
On a side note, you can't really compare EVE, in regards to expansions, to really any other mainstream MMO that's been around for a similar period of time. EVE has been out since, what, spring of 2003. That's 7 years without a single expansion any of its users had to outright pay for. How many other quality monthly-fee MMOs out there, which have been around for a similar stretch of time, can even make such a boast save for LoTRO?
1. EQ - Even god couldn't conceive the amount of expansions this game possesses 2. EQ 2 - Same here 3. WoW - 2 4. AC - 2 5. UO - 4-5 6. DAOC - 5 7. FF XI - 4 8. AO - 2
Now, I'm not saying we should feel privileged for the opportunity and never lambaste the devs because of it. But you gotta be a little real here, we have it better than most. Besides, the next few years of EVE are exciting, and even scary, to say the least. What we have in store for us will change the face of this game forever. These changes can kill the game outright or turn EVE into one of the most popular MMOs on the market. These ideas merge the openness and emptiness of space with the humanity of the people who reside and play in it.
I'm excited to be a part of this history.
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Im Blue
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Posted - 2010.04.18 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Mazzarins Demise That's 7 years without a single expansion any of its users had to outright pay for. /quote]
i thought we paid monthly for each and everything. if they hadnt expanded it, i doubt we would all still be paying and i doubt it would be above the subscriber base it had in 2003
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