Originally by: Pottsey

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http://www.eveonline.com/tyrannis/default.asp mostly fluff no almost no new content.

Please tell us there is more than just that. That's not an expansion that's a mini content patch barely. What on earth have the Devs been working on all this time? Where is all he new gameplay content?

Is it me are the expansions content wise getting smaller and smaller? What happened to the good old days of Red Moon Rising style expansions?

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Developed an automated stress testing framework, allowing us to simulate huge fleet fights using script-driven æThin clientsÆ

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Originally by: Abrazzar

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I am more interested in the bug fix pages.

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Originally by: Abrazzar

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I am more interested in the bug fix pages.

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Tyrannis harnesses the visual cue capability of AlienFX-compatible DELL machines and keyboards. The multi-colored perimeter lighting will now pulse and change when triggered by critical game events including:

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Originally by: Gil Danastre

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I think part of it is that there's only so much to add. Back when EVE launched there were no cap ships, tech 2, etc. So it was easy to add in gaps. Now though we have ships for nearly every role, so adding in new ones is a lot harder.

Though I would have liked the ship revamp to be more than ONE ship. One down, 52+ to go!

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What on earth have the Devs been working on all this time? Where is all he new gameplay content?

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Originally by: ed jeni

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Dust 514 and the new MMO, so dev teams split into 3 work groups so eve has lost prob 66% of dev input.

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Alienware AlienFX
Tyrannis harnesses the visual cue capability of AlienFX-compatible DELL machines and keyboards. The multi-colored perimeter lighting will now pulse and change when triggered by critical game events including:

* Low capacitor
* Warp scrambling
* Autopilot waypoints and destination
* Cargo full
* Cap recharge levels when in jump-capable ships

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Developed an automated stress testing framework, allowing us to simulate huge fleet fights using script-driven æThin clientsÆ

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Originally by: Grayclay

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This is the first step towards a lag free EvE as we know it.

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Dust 514 and the new MMO, so dev teams split into 3 work groups so eve has lost prob 66% of dev input.
Not really. Dust 514 is made by CCP Shanghai, and WoD is made by CCP Atlanta (roughly). CCP has not "split up" its EVE development, but expanded the company to have people working on those other two things as well.

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Originally by: ed jeni

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Dust 514 and the new MMO, so dev teams split into 3 work groups so eve has lost prob 66% of dev input.
Not really. Dust 514 is made by CCP Shanghai, and WoD is made by CCP Atlanta (roughly). CCP has not "split up" its EVE development, but expanded the company to have people working on those other two things as well.

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and shanghai and Atlanta have been doing what for the last 3 1/2 years ? working on EVE mostly, thats what.
the players ask for bug fixes we get deep safe's removed
the players ask for some reduction in fleet lag we get PI (which could very well just increase lag
we ask for more information in dev blogs and we get some washed and sanitary PR press release.
there was a time when CCP interacted and valued the general player consensus, and they tried to give us the things we wanted (within reason) but CCP has become a huge and distant corperation with little interest in the current upsurge of discontent, the focus is on drawing in new accounts and growing the bottom line. this is fine but as seems to be the way of these things the designer and the user grow so far apart that the appeal starts to tarnish.
fix whats broke
add features that the players want
reduce lag
and above all communicate with the player base in the way that made EVE what it was.

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Originally by: ed jeni

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and shanghai and Atlanta have been doing what for the last 3 1/2 years ? working on EVE mostly, thats what.

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Originally by: GM Horse

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I've sadly misplaced my magic "find farmers in ravens" button.

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Originally by: Mr Kidd

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Am I misunderstanding something? Won't planetary colonization just become one more cash cow for alliances? How is the freelancer going to be able to keep a planet?

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Originally by: Serpents smile

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Pottsey said: I cannot quote properly so I just whine here a bit more like, well I always do.

Can we whine just a little bit more? Maybe that will put CCP over the edge and just abandon this bunch of pitiful whiny little fans nitwits and give up on it completely.

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Originally by: Xtover

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Originally by: Gil Danastre

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I think part of it is that there's only so much to add. Back when EVE launched there were no cap ships, tech 2, etc. So it was easy to add in gaps. Now though we have ships for nearly every role, so adding in new ones is a lot harder.

Though I would have liked the ship revamp to be more than ONE ship. One down, 52+ to go!

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Check this out:

Hey players, for Tyrannis we've added in many new and exciting features, and here they are, patch notes style!


Introducing Planetary Interaction, where anyone can harvest resources from a planet, including POS fuel which can not only provide another source of income but also make soverign space even more independent!

We've had to reduce the system size to help combat lag, and since beyond 20AU (originally was to be 10AU but that was just stupid) is not warpable, we decided to make an exception of deep space probes.. you can scan out deep anomolies (just not bookmark them) that include a new feature:

fleet graveyards! a new salvage opportunity when you discover the ghostly remains of an aincent fleet battle. Who knows what wonders you will find?

Supercapital Anchors, miss flying those assault frigates because you've been trapped in an undockable supercap? Now, you can anchor (if you have roles) your supercapital and even set a password to board the ship. Be careful though, because the ship can be unanchored if someone has roles to do so (starbase config) or if the POS is put into reinforced!

speaking of assault ships, we have provided a 5th bonusto each ship, making them a formidible class of ship yet again

rockets have been tweaked to do damage on par with other light weapons

We've brought back the old cynosural jump effect, due to very popular demand!

destroyers have been modified to be escort ships for large fleets, with increased PG, tracking, and a slight HP buff

agression timers on station have been modified according to the mass of the ship, the larger the ship the longer after the last shot fired will the station wait for things to cool down. So if you undock to fight your enemy be prepared to be in the fight to the finish!

a few exploits and bugs have been removed making eve a better place. a list of fixed bugs/exploits can be found HERE

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Originally by: Xtover

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Originally by: Gil Danastre

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I think part of it is that there's only so much to add. Back when EVE launched there were no cap ships, tech 2, etc. So it was easy to add in gaps. Now though we have ships for nearly every role, so adding in new ones is a lot harder.

Though I would have liked the ship revamp to be more than ONE ship. One down, 52+ to go!

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Check this out:

Hey players, for Tyrannis we've added in many new and exciting features, and here they are, patch notes style!


Introducing Planetary Interaction, where anyone can harvest resources from a planet, including POS fuel which can not only provide another source of income but also make soverign space even more independent!

We've had to reduce the system size to help combat lag, and since beyond 20AU (originally was to be 10AU but that was just stupid) is not warpable, we decided to make an exception of deep space probes.. you can scan out deep anomolies (just not bookmark them) that include a new feature:

fleet graveyards! a new salvage opportunity when you discover the ghostly remains of an aincent fleet battle. Who knows what wonders you will find?

Supercapital Anchors, miss flying those assault frigates because you've been trapped in an undockable supercap? Now, you can anchor (if you have roles) your supercapital and even set a password to board the ship. Be careful though, because the ship can be unanchored if someone has roles to do so (starbase config) or if the POS is put into reinforced!

speaking of assault ships, we have provided a 5th bonusto each ship, making them a formidible class of ship yet again

rockets have been tweaked to do damage on par with other light weapons

We've brought back the old cynosural jump effect, due to very popular demand!

destroyers have been modified to be escort ships for large fleets, with increased PG, tracking, and a slight HP buff

agression timers on station have been modified according to the mass of the ship, the larger the ship the longer after the last shot fired will the station wait for things to cool down. So if you undock to fight your enemy be prepared to be in the fight to the finish!

a few exploits and bugs have been removed making eve a better place. a list of fixed bugs/exploits can be found HERE

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Originally by: Xtover

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Originally by: Gil Danastre

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I think part of it is that there's only so much to add. Back when EVE launched there were no cap ships, tech 2, etc. So it was easy to add in gaps. Now though we have ships for nearly every role, so adding in new ones is a lot harder.

Though I would have liked the ship revamp to be more than ONE ship. One down, 52+ to go!

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Check this out:

Hey players, for Tyrannis we've added in many new and exciting features, and here they are, patch notes style!


Introducing Planetary Interaction, where anyone can harvest resources from a planet, including POS fuel which can not only provide another source of income but also make soverign space even more independent!

We've had to reduce the system size to help combat lag, and since beyond 20AU (originally was to be 10AU but that was just stupid) is not warpable, we decided to make an exception of deep space probes.. you can scan out deep anomolies (just not bookmark them) that include a new feature:

fleet graveyards! a new salvage opportunity when you discover the ghostly remains of an aincent fleet battle. Who knows what wonders you will find?

Supercapital Anchors, miss flying those assault frigates because you've been trapped in an undockable supercap? Now, you can anchor (if you have roles) your supercapital and even set a password to board the ship. Be careful though, because the ship can be unanchored if someone has roles to do so (starbase config) or if the POS is put into reinforced!

speaking of assault ships, we have provided a 5th bonusto each ship, making them a formidible class of ship yet again

rockets have been tweaked to do damage on par with other light weapons

We've brought back the old cynosural jump effect, due to very popular demand!

destroyers have been modified to be escort ships for large fleets, with increased PG, tracking, and a slight HP buff

agression timers on station have been modified according to the mass of the ship, the larger the ship the longer after the last shot fired will the station wait for things to cool down. So if you undock to fight your enemy be prepared to be in the fight to the finish!

a few exploits and bugs have been removed making eve a better place. a list of fixed bugs/exploits can be found HERE

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Originally by: Xtover

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Originally by: Gil Danastre

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I think part of it is that there's only so much to add. Back when EVE launched there were no cap ships, tech 2, etc. So it was easy to add in gaps. Now though we have ships for nearly every role, so adding in new ones is a lot harder.

Though I would have liked the ship revamp to be more than ONE ship. One down, 52+ to go!

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Check this out:

Hey players, for Tyrannis we've added in many new and exciting features, and here they are, patch notes style!


Introducing Planetary Interaction, where anyone can harvest resources from a planet, including POS fuel which can not only provide another source of income but also make soverign space even more independent!

We've had to reduce the system size to help combat lag, and since beyond 20AU (originally was to be 10AU but that was just stupid) is not warpable, we decided to make an exception of deep space probes.. you can scan out deep anomolies (just not bookmark them) that include a new feature:

fleet graveyards! a new salvage opportunity when you discover the ghostly remains of an aincent fleet battle. Who knows what wonders you will find?

Supercapital Anchors, miss flying those assault frigates because you've been trapped in an undockable supercap? Now, you can anchor (if you have roles) your supercapital and even set a password to board the ship. Be careful though, because the ship can be unanchored if someone has roles to do so (starbase config) or if the POS is put into reinforced!

speaking of assault ships, we have provided a 5th bonusto each ship, making them a formidible class of ship yet again

rockets have been tweaked to do damage on par with other light weapons

We've brought back the old cynosural jump effect, due to very popular demand!

destroyers have been modified to be escort ships for large fleets, with increased PG, tracking, and a slight HP buff

agression timers on station have been modified according to the mass of the ship, the larger the ship the longer after the last shot fired will the station wait for things to cool down. So if you undock to fight your enemy be prepared to be in the fight to the finish!

a few exploits and bugs have been removed making eve a better place. a list of fixed bugs/exploits can be found HERE

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Originally by: Pottsey

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Edited by: Pottsey on 16/04/2010 17:51:12
http://www.eveonline.com/tyrannis/default.asp mostly fluff almost no new content.

Please tell us there is more than just that. That's not an expansion that's a mini content patch barely. What on earth have the Devs been working on all this time? Where is all he new gameplay content?

Is it me or are the expansions content wise getting smaller and smaller? What happened to the good old days of Red Moon Rising style expansions?

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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That is the beauty of Eve, it's a crucible in which great minds are formed and the rest are ground to dust.

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Yep. Crap so far. And WTF @ 5 June?

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Originally by: ed jeni

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and shanghai and Atlanta have been doing what for the last 3 1/2 years ? working on EVE mostly, thats what.

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* Changed how landmarks are accessed, reducing the impact they have on system performance. This has allowed for the addition of hundreds more without adversely affecting needed resources.
* Improved the login queue by preventing AFK clients from holding login spots.
* Redesigned aspects of the internal structure of the Chat system, has resulting in less load on the server cluster.
* Developed an automated stress testing framework, allowing us to simulate huge fleet fights using script-driven æThin clientsÆ

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Tyrannis harnesses the visual cue capability of AlienFX-compatible DELL machines and keyboards.

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Originally by: Amida Ta

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Looks like CCP is currently spending their money and resources on diversifying their business.

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I'd be VERY surprised if currently more than 10% of CCP staff is actively involved in Eve development (and I'm talking about last year, likely more).

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Originally by: ed jeni

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and shanghai and Atlanta have been doing what for the last 3 1/2 years ? working on EVE mostly, thats what.
the players ask for bug fixes we get deep safe's removed
the players ask for some reduction in fleet lag we get PI (which could very well just increase lag
we ask for more information in dev blogs and we get some washed and sanitary PR press release.
there was a time when CCP interacted and valued the general player consensus, and they tried to give us the things we wanted (within reason) but CCP has become a huge and distant corperation with little interest in the current upsurge of discontent, the focus is on drawing in new accounts and growing the bottom line. this is fine but as seems to be the way of these things the designer and the user grow so far apart that the appeal starts to tarnish.
fix whats broke
add features that the players want
reduce lag
and above all communicate with the player base in the way that made EVE what it was.

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Originally by: CCP Manifest

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Your list is basically our 4 commandments, so I'm glad you put them in once place.
fix whats broke
add features that the players want
reduce lag
and above all communicate with the player base in the way that made EVE what it was

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Originally by: CCP Manifest

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Your list is basically our 4 commandments, so I'm glad you put them in once place.
fix whats broke
add features that the players want
reduce lag
and above all communicate with the player base in the way that made EVE what it was

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Originally by: Swiftgaze

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As long as you finally fix your GUI, I'm happy.

You do that, right?

You will fix the GUI, right? Will you?

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Originally by: CCP Manifest

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As you know, adding features players want might increase lag. Fixing "what's broke" and reducing lag means taking time off from adding features that players want. They are all the source of endless internal debate (passionate yelling debate let me tell you) and we do our best to balance them all.

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: Amida Ta

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I'd be VERY surprised if currently more than 10% of CCP staff is actively involved in Eve development (and I'm talking about last year, likely more).

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Seeing as how they cross-develop a lot of things between their various products, you're surprised by default (unless you're implying that 80+% of the company is on permanent vacation).

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Originally by: Whattis

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Originally by: Pottsey

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http://www.eveonline.com/tyrannis/default.asp mostly fluff no almost no new content.

Please tell us there is more than just that. That's not an expansion that's a mini content patch barely. What on earth have the Devs been working on all this time? Where is all he new gameplay content?

Is it me are the expansions content wise getting smaller and smaller? What happened to the good old days of Red Moon Rising style expansions?

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CCP Stop releasing new content, fix lag first BAW
CCP Where's my content BAW

BAW

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Originally by: Amida Ta

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I doubt that. A) They are using Scrum and a core rule of Scrum is: no cross-development. Every developer in a scrum team has to be 100% in that team and for that purpose.

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B) There is not really a lot they COULD cross-develop. Engine for a space sim used for a gothic mmo or a console fps? Hardly.

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Originally by: Benri Konpaku

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Originally by: CCP Manifest

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As you know, adding features players want might increase lag. Fixing "what's broke" and reducing lag means taking time off from adding features that players want. They are all the source of endless internal debate (passionate yelling debate let me tell you) and we do our best to balance them all.

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If that's the case then I'm pretty sure everyone here would rather you put new content on hold and focused on fixing existing content and eliminating lag.

Heck make it a whole expansion if you want, call it Stakra.

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Originally by: Im Blue

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Edited by: Im Blue on 17/04/2010 15:03:05

Originally by: Benri Konpaku

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Originally by: CCP Manifest

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As you know, adding features players want might increase lag. Fixing "what's broke" and reducing lag means taking time off from adding features that players want. They are all the source of endless internal debate (passionate yelling debate let me tell you) and we do our best to balance them all.

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If that's the case then I'm pretty sure everyone here would rather you put new content on hold and focused on fixing existing content and eliminating lag.

Heck make it a whole expansion if you want, call it Stakra.

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agreed, please stop adding stuff until you fix what we do have. delay this expansion til teh end of teh year, 1. you might have it finished and including all you said would be in it. 2. teh in between time can spent fixing all the bugs

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Originally by: CCP Manifest

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Your list is basically our 4 commandments, so I'm glad you put them in once place.
fix whats broke
add features that the players want
reduce lag
and above all communicate with the player base in the way that made EVE what it was

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Originally by: CCP Manifest

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... PR whitewash..

Your list is basically our 4 commandments, so I'm glad you put them in once place.
fix whats broke
add features that the players want
reduce lag
and above all communicate with the player base ...

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Originally by: Empress Shai

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It is still kind of interesting how ppl are complaining, when the severity of what we have seen achieved is still quite vast.
I know the bugs, the jump to nowhere (desyncing), the lag in 0.0 and such are plaguing, but they are working to add more depth of content.

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Originally by: CCP Manifest

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Phew, TLDR Manifest! Gawsh.

What can improve that communication is, well, us. And me. And, I suppose, you. But please do not think these forums fall on deaf ears. It's not the case. They are invaluable for us since we can't sit in every chat, visit every corp website, tap every vent convo and read everyone of the awesome blog posts you guys write.

Capische?

My basic reply is... "yes, you are right". I guess I could have made this a lot shorter... oops.

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Originally by: Tippia

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Edited by: Tippia on 17/04/2010 15:01:33

Originally by: Amida Ta

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I doubt that. A) They are using Scrum and a core rule of Scrum is: no cross-development. Every developer in a scrum team has to be 100% in that team and for that purpose.

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Different cross-development. I'm talking about the features that will exist in multiple games (like the whole Incarna engine).

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B) There is not really a lot they COULD cross-develop. Engine for a space sim used for a gothic mmo or a console fps? Hardly.

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àexcept that they're using the same engine in both EVE Incarna and WoD, and that they're reusing (or, more accurately, tying together) the backbone data structure in EVE and Dust, and that graphical assets (not just models) take quite some time to develop, so reusing them for multiple games means that they're doing exactly what you're saying they're not doing: developing for both games at once.

In fact, instead of just doubting things for no reason, how about you take some time to look into what they're doing, how they're doing it, and why?

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Originally by: Khemul Zula

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Originally by: ed jeni

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and shanghai and Atlanta have been doing what for the last 3 1/2 years ? working on EVE mostly, thats what.

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They have?

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Originally by: Pottsey

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So Serpents smile I take it that means you're happy with the size of the expansion? You also appear to think no one should ever complain.

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Originally by: Amarr Supremacist

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Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!

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Originally by: CCP Manifest

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Phew, TLDR Manifest! Gawsh.

What can improve that communication is, well, us. And me. And, I suppose, you. But please do not think these forums fall on deaf ears. It's not the case. They are invaluable for us since we can't sit in every chat, visit every corp website, tap every vent convo and read everyone of the awesome blog posts you guys write.

Capische?

My basic reply is... "yes, you are right". I guess I could have made this a lot shorter... oops.

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Originally by: Im Blue

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wasnt staged

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Originally by: Amarr Supremacist

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Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!

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Originally by: Zeba

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Originally by: Im Blue

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wasnt staged

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Of course.

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Originally by: Pottsey

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You also appear to think no one should ever complain.

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Originally by: Im Blue

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Originally by: Zeba

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Originally by: Im Blue

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wasnt staged

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Of course.

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no it wasnt, just i remebered that last bit of the gm's post. i cut the start of the channel discussion out as tbh i didnt want to relive this afternoons football results, 1 point clear is ok with 3 games to go, well i hope

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Originally by: Amarr Supremacist

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Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!

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Originally by: Benri Konpaku

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Originally by: CCP Manifest

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As you know, adding features players want might increase lag. Fixing "what's broke" and reducing lag means taking time off from adding features that players want. They are all the source of endless internal debate (passionate yelling debate let me tell you) and we do our best to balance them all.

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If that's the case then I'm pretty sure everyone here would rather you put new content on hold and focused on fixing existing content and eliminating lag.

Heck make it a whole expansion if you want, call it Stakra.

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Originally by: CCP Incognito

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PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)

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Originally by: Terianna Eri

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Originally by: Benri Konpaku

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Originally by: CCP Manifest

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As you know, adding features players want might increase lag. Fixing "what's broke" and reducing lag means taking time off from adding features that players want. They are all the source of endless internal debate (passionate yelling debate let me tell you) and we do our best to balance them all.

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If that's the case then I'm pretty sure everyone here would rather you put new content on hold and focused on fixing existing content and eliminating lag.

Heck make it a whole expansion if you want, call it Stakra.

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We did that once - it was called Quantum Rise - people complained that there was no new content.
And really, the people who are developing new content probably aren't the same people fixing bugs and working on lag. Thinking of new things to do and how to implement it so that it works well in-game is a different task from optimizing code and finding conflicts and such.

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Originally by: Benri Konpaku

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Edited by: Benri Konpaku on 17/04/2010 20:23:29

Originally by: Terianna Eri

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Originally by: Benri Konpaku

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Originally by: CCP Manifest

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As you know, adding features players want might increase lag. Fixing "what's broke" and reducing lag means taking time off from adding features that players want. They are all the source of endless internal debate (passionate yelling debate let me tell you) and we do our best to balance them all.

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If that's the case then I'm pretty sure everyone here would rather you put new content on hold and focused on fixing existing content and eliminating lag.

Heck make it a whole expansion if you want, call it Stakra.

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We did that once - it was called Quantum Rise - people complained that there was no new content.
And really, the people who are developing new content probably aren't the same people fixing bugs and working on lag. Thinking of new things to do and how to implement it so that it works well in-game is a different task from optimizing code and finding conflicts and such.

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Sorry but I don't think you understood my quote (and specially the bolded part in it).


Fun part is I've said the exact same thing to people asking for the Dust and Incarna teams to drop what they are doing to work on fixing EVE main.

But that doesn't apply here because the team in charge of fixing lag in EVE is also in charge of implementing new content (and expansions) for EVE main. As evidenced by my quote.

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Originally by: Amarr Supremacist

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Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!

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Originally by: Dodgy Past

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Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.

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Originally by: Aera Aiana

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..... a couple of new sounds (well, pretty meh, but EVE isn't really known for audio-quality).
........

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Originally by: Aera Aiana

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<sensible stuff>

I guess you're really complaining because it doesn't involve blowing up stuff. You do however have to understand that quite a few people do other things with their part of this particular sandbox and they too want new features once in a while. PI and Incarna are probably the only two major features they are to receive for quite some time.

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Originally by: Aera Aiana

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Why do so many of you think of Tyrannis as a "mini patch"/"lite addon"? PI is a pretty big thing. You (or I) may not much care about that feature (yet) but it's pretty obvious that it took quite some doing to develop it.

Lot's of new artwork (all the PI objects have a model, the resource-overlay, ...), lot's and lot's of database work (should be obvious), lot's of gamedesign work (the whole concept is fairly complex), a couple of new sounds (well, pretty meh, but EVE isn't really known for audio-quality). Not to mention all the new UI elements PI requires (ok, conceptually those aren't really that great, yet(?!) - but it still must have been quite a bit of work).

Bottom line: I think this is exactly the right amount of new content. If they try to add more, it just ends up half-finished (and we know that it takes them several years to revisit existing features - if they even bother). One big feature per patch, maybe a bit of additional fluff and bugfixes. That's pretty much what I expect. And - I know hell will freeze over before they do this - I whish they'd finish up one incomplete/broken feature per patch too.

I guess you're really complaining because it doesn't involve blowing up stuff. You do however have to understand that quite a few people do other things with their part of this particular sandbox and they too want new features once in a while. PI and Incarna are probably the only two major features they are to receive for quite some time.

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Originally by: Capt Fossil

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But it's NOOB friendly.

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Originally by: ed jeni

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[...]fix whats broke
add features that the players want
reduce lag
and above all communicate with the player base in the way that made EVE what it was.

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Originally by: DRACO selen

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please fix eve before adding new content

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Originally by: Amarr Supremacist

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Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!

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Originally by: CCP Manifest

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Phew, TLDR Manifest! Gawsh.

What can improve that communication is, well, us. And me. And, I suppose, you. But please do not think these forums fall on deaf ears. It's not the case. They are invaluable for us since we can't sit in every chat, visit every corp website, tap every vent convo and read everyone of the awesome blog posts you guys write.

Capische?

My basic reply is... "yes, you are right". I guess I could have made this a lot shorter... oops.

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Originally by: CCP Manifest

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on the hundreds of thousands of players who play the game.

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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue

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My biggest disapointment with EVE at the moment is how CCP removed all the cool possibilities from planets with their plans to use them mainly for DUST. They effectively removed a huge chunk of potential from the game I played to create a setting for another game.

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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue

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It wasn't that bad though, since we would still get to rule and fight over those planets and dominate their populations. Except that it seems none of that is possible in the current PI design.

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Originally by: Pottsey

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Arboreal Feline said "A lot of people need to chill-out, and consider that we're getting 2 free major content patches a year. Compared to the majority of the MMO industry(*cough*WoW*cough*), it's a freaking miracle that we even get 1 per year."
If I compare Eve to other MMO's or even compare Eve to the amount of content it used to get then Eve new content in the past few years is very small and sub standard.

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Originally by: Pottsey

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Aera Aiana said "I guess you're really complaining because it doesn't involve blowing up stuff. You do however have to understand that quite a few people do other things with their part of this particular sandbox and they too want new features once in a while. PI"
That's part of my point. People do other things. In the past expansions had lots of varied game play content for lots of groups of players. Now you get 1 bit of game play content for one group of players per expansion. I too want new features, I want to see the old days of more than two major new game play features a year. It doesn't even have to be new features, just more new content like new missions.

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Originally by: Pottsey

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BAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWW!

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Originally by: Pottsey

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Well I see Verone is making his usual constructive and helpful posts . Some things never change. Why do I even bother trying to have a civilised conversation with you.

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Originally by: Amarr Supremacist

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Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!

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Originally by: Verone

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Edited by: Verone on 18/04/2010 13:15:03

Originally by: Pottsey

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BAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWW!

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Pretty much sums the thread up.

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Originally by: Mazzarins Demise

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That's 7 years without a single expansion any of its users had to outright pay for. /quote]

i thought we paid monthly for each and everything. if they hadnt expanded it, i doubt we would all still be paying and i doubt it would be above the subscriber base it had in 2003

Originally by: Rpeg

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They have a larger beast to maintain so it's unrealistic to expect huge expansions. Period. PERIOD. I think everyone would be happier if they just fixed the bugs that are annoying as it is. Stop complaining.

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Originally by: Ryhss

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Originally by: Rpeg

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They have a larger beast to maintain so it's unrealistic to expect huge expansions. Period. PERIOD. I think everyone would be happier if they just fixed the bugs that are annoying as it is. Stop complaining.

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This.

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Originally by: Neutrino Sunset

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... Sim City style ...

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Originally by: Lusulpher

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Quantum Rise delivered the Orca[and wtflag in all systems]. A ship made for moving your precious rigged ships about, maybe even your faction ones. It can't hold 1 BS. And it warps like a Freighter...

More than a year later. It's Ship Maint Bay is still too small for that BS.

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Originally by: Pottsey

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Its not free we pay a higher than average MMO monthly subscription for this content.

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Originally by: ddr800

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Ok I want to forward this by saying, something everyone here has overlooked,

YOU GET THIS EXPANSION FOR FREE, You Paid JACK & SH@!

So you really have no room to complain, If you want Complaining Rights maybe CCP should charge $39.99 per for their expansions then your boohoos would possiblely be valid.

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Originally by: Jin Tanyo

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quit moaning will you ...
Weve had it so good for so long .. we dont recognise a good thing anymore
Its a real luxury to sit and play EVE and its becoming more life like .. the expansion is more real isnt it?
Try and be a bit more positive ...
the dev team know whats what .. they make the galaxy ....
I know i couldnt do a better job, hell the programming isnt that much fun .. is it?
GOOD JOB CCP! nice one
if eve makes oyu unhappy dont play it .. be cool .. relax ... a test of your patience isnt hard to pass .. is it?
hehehe

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Originally by: Pottsey

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ddr800 said "YOU GET THIS EXPANSION FOR FREE, You Paid JACK & SH@!"
Its not free we pay a higher than average MMO monthly subscription for this content. CCP cannot charge for the expansions as the expansions are so tiny few people in their right mind would buy them. Anyway these are not real expansions. They are far too small to be classed a real expansions. More tiny content patch's CCP are trying to pass off as expansions.

Please stop comparing this expansion to other MMO's and saying its free. You might have a point if it was a real expansion on the size of the expansion other MMO's get. Right now most MMO's get more free content then we get in our so called free expansions. That's is not a plus point to Eve. That's a bad point of Eve.

Stop telling us we should be grateful for getting sub standard amounts of new content. Out of all the MMO's I play or have played Eve by far gets the smallest amount of new content.

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Originally by: Im Blue

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Originally by: Zeba

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Originally by: Im Blue

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wasnt staged

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Of course.

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no it wasnt, just i remebered that last bit of the gm's post. i cut the start of the channel discussion out as tbh i didnt want to relive this afternoons football results, 1 point clear is ok with 3 games to go, well i hope

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Originally by: Grayclay

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Ok, first off, the INDUSTRY STANDARD is $14.99 a month. All "brand-name" MMO's charge that as their monthly fee.

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Originally by: Catari Taga

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Originally by: Grayclay

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Ok, first off, the INDUSTRY STANDARD is $14.99 a month. All "brand-name" MMO's charge that as their monthly fee.

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That's only true for where you pay in USD, in Europe CCP charges substantially more than all other major MMOs.

To the rest of your argument, if you really believe anybody would pay for expansions like Tyrannis, then CCP should probably start charging for them. At least you could then more easily "vote with your wallet" other than dropping the game entirely.

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Originally by: Catari Taga

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Originally by: Grayclay

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Ok, first off, the INDUSTRY STANDARD is $14.99 a month. All "brand-name" MMO's charge that as their monthly fee.

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That's only true for where you pay in USD, in Europe CCP charges substantially more than all other major MMOs.

To the rest of your argument, if you really believe anybody would pay for expansions like Tyrannis, then CCP should probably start charging for them. At least you could then more easily "vote with your wallet" other than dropping the game entirely.

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Originally by: Solra Wolfe

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yah.. let's all smoke up, put on some bob marley and chill out.. NOT! I guess some of us are frustrated by CCP hyping something awesome at Fanfest and slick videos, only to find out its pins and lines on a planet!

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Originally by: Neutrino Sunset

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So a few dialog boxes and progress bars arranged into some sort of incredibly trivial Sim City style mini game is naturally a disappointment to many and does nothing whatsoever to convey the impression that CCP is listening to its customers.

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Originally by: Pottsey

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Edited by: Pottsey on 16/04/2010 17:51:12
http://www.eveonline.com/tyrannis/default.asp mostly fluff almost no new content.

Please tell us there is more than just that. That's not an expansion that's a mini content patch barely. What on earth have the Devs been working on all this time? Where is all he new gameplay content?

Is it me or are the expansions content wise getting smaller and smaller? What happened to the good old days of Red Moon Rising style expansions?

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Originally by: Solra Wolfe

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yah.. let's all smoke up, put on some bob marley and chill out.. NOT! I guess some of us are frustrated by CCP hyping something awesome at Fanfest and slick videos, only to find out its pins and lines on a planet!

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Originally by: Asuka Smith

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Edited by: Asuka Smith on 19/04/2010 05:53:09
Edited by: Asuka Smith on 19/04/2010 05:52:41
If the sparse feature list means they worked on some stuff under the hood then this is going to be the most exciting expansion ever.

EDIT: Also, $14.99 a month is cheap for the servers that CCP provides and the fact they have nearly 23.5/7 uptime. WOW has like 21/7 uptime if you count their 12 hour weekly maintenance for the piddly 3k PCU and sharded servers they run.

In addition, the content changes might be small but at least they are compelling. WoW got 10 more levels of... the same kill 10 moose and level up that it always had. Hardly revolutionary and it was $40.

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Originally by: Grayclay

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Originally by: Catari Taga

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Originally by: Grayclay

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Ok, first off, the INDUSTRY STANDARD is $14.99 a month. All "brand-name" MMO's charge that as their monthly fee.

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That's only true for where you pay in USD, in Europe CCP charges substantially more than all other major MMOs.

To the rest of your argument, if you really believe anybody would pay for expansions like Tyrannis, then CCP should probably start charging for them. At least you could then more easily "vote with your wallet" other than dropping the game entirely.

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I'm sorry, that was my own ignorance at fault. I wasn't aware that the charge in Europe is higher. What exactly is the charge, in USD?

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Originally by: Pottsey

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Edited by: Pottsey on 16/04/2010 17:51:12
http://www.eveonline.com/tyrannis/default.asp mostly fluff almost no new content.

Please tell us there is more than just that. That's not an expansion that's a mini content patch barely. What on earth have the Devs been working on all this time? Where is all he new gameplay content?

Is it me or are the expansions content wise getting smaller and smaller? What happened to the good old days of Red Moon Rising style expansions?

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.

Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker

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Planetary interaction looks awesome

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Originally by: Seth Ruin

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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker

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Planetary interaction looks awesome

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LOL, you're funny.

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.

Originally by: silentalleycat

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Edited by: silentalleycat on 19/04/2010 08:39:12
To be honest it looks to me most of you are complaining because there isn't much new 'pewpew', only a major industrialist addtion, it is about time we honest hardworking industrialist get new toys so you boys and girls can go buy more stuff to blow up and probably even cheaper

I for one am looking forward to this new expansion

Thank you ccp for giving us this greatest of mmo games

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Originally by: Gil Danastre

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I think part of it is that there's only so much to add. Back when EVE launched there were no cap ships, tech 2, etc. So it was easy to add in gaps. Now though we have ships for nearly every role, so adding in new ones is a lot harder.

Though I would have liked the ship revamp to be more than ONE ship. One down, 52+ to go!

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Originally by: CCP Manifest

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fix whats broke
add features that the players want
reduce lag
and above all communicate with the player base in the way that made EVE what it was

As you know, adding features players want might increase lag. Fixing "what's broke" and reducing lag means taking time off from adding features that players want. They are all the source of endless internal debate (passionate yelling debate let me tell you) and we do our best to balance them all.

Like you said, what can improve them all with the last item on your list.

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Originally by: Durzel

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With all due respect the problem with your list is that to my knowledge noone actually asked for planetary interaction.[...]

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.

Originally by: Lance Fighter

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This is either a troll or a noob... Ill take the noob route.

Originally by: Celeste Coeval

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Edited by: Celeste Coeval on 19/04/2010 11:44:13
You are all spoilt. CCP has spoilt you with expansions. It is CCP's game, not yours, don't forget that. You are not shareholders, you shouldn't really get any say at all.

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Originally by: Durzel

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Interesting concept you've got there - an entity unaccountable to the people that ultimately pay for its existence.

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Originally by: Durzel

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Originally by: Celeste Coeval

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Edited by: Celeste Coeval on 19/04/2010 11:44:13
You are all spoilt. CCP has spoilt you with expansions. It is CCP's game, not yours, don't forget that. You are not shareholders, you shouldn't really get any say at all.

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Even though we're paying customers? Interesting concept you've got there - an entity unaccountable to the people that ultimately pay for its existence.

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Originally by: Lance Fighter

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This is either a troll or a noob... Ill take the noob route.

Originally by: CCP Manifest

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Awww darling it just breaks my heart that this is your opinion of our dev team. Anti-PR vitriol, SURE!, as nobody, including myself, likes a snake oil salesman. Flowery, precise language designed to get people excited about features is, truthfully, kinda sketchy.

However, It's not my job to lie to you, stretch the truth or break the sacred covenant we all entered into when we started making EVE and you guys started playing it. In fact, it's my anti-job. CCP Pann would have the head of anyone who deceived you. Literally....she's plopped down a pike right outside the Reykjavik office for just that purpose, awaiting the CCPer who would dare do such a thing and providing a place for their mistake to be a warning to other employees. And that's key lime pie compared to what Hellmar and Oveur would do.

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Originally by: Average Jack

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If this is true, why then does your company feel the need to release trailers claiming to be "in-game footage" when they are neither in-game graphics nor have anything else to do with the game (a side from using the same ship models).

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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab

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Originally by: Average Jack

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If this is true, why then does your company feel the need to release trailers claiming to be "in-game footage" when they are neither in-game graphics nor have anything else to do with the game (a side from using the same ship models).

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Well, since they actually are in-game footage... Does that mean you're wrong in everything you said, or just most of it?

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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker

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The expansion looks pretty good to me. Planetary interaction looks awesome, and that alone qualifies for the expansion. Then you get the new web/game integration, graphic update on one of the space ships etc.

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Originally by: Kyra Felann

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I hope I'm wrong and that in this last month of development before launch they whip up an amazing, deep strategy game-style experience with population mechanics like they described, and if so I'll formally apologize for doubting CCP. I just think that that's a lot to do in one month.

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Originally by: Amarr Supremacist

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Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!

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Originally by: Zeba

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Call me a dreamer but I'm getting this twitch that maybe for this expansion they are not putting all the cards on the table like in previous expansions. Its very possible that the stuff that is getting tested on sisi is simply making sure the overall framework is solid and bugfree so they can install the actual content on tq during the expansion. This wouldn't be the first time they kept mum about stuff all they way up to release.

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Originally by: Matterick Boon

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..either way, does it really matter? It's just about dots and lines on simulated "google earth" anyway...

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Originally by: Xtover

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Originally by: Gil Danastre

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I think part of it is that there's only so much to add. Back when EVE launched there were no cap ships, tech 2, etc. So it was easy to add in gaps. Now though we have ships for nearly every role, so adding in new ones is a lot harder.

Though I would have liked the ship revamp to be more than ONE ship. One down, 52+ to go!

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Check this out:

Hey players, for Tyrannis we've added in many new and exciting features, and here they are, patch notes style!


Introducing Planetary Interaction, where anyone can harvest resources from a planet, including POS fuel which can not only provide another source of income but also make soverign space even more independent!

We've had to reduce the system size to help combat lag, and since beyond 20AU (originally was to be 10AU but that was just stupid) is not warpable, we decided to make an exception of deep space probes.. you can scan out deep anomolies (just not bookmark them) that include a new feature:

fleet graveyards! a new salvage opportunity when you discover the ghostly remains of an aincent fleet battle. Who knows what wonders you will find?

Supercapital Anchors, miss flying those assault frigates because you've been trapped in an undockable supercap? Now, you can anchor (if you have roles) your supercapital and even set a password to board the ship. Be careful though, because the ship can be unanchored if someone has roles to do so (starbase config) or if the POS is put into reinforced!

speaking of assault ships, we have provided a 5th bonusto each ship, making them a formidible class of ship yet again

rockets have been tweaked to do damage on par with other light weapons

We've brought back the old cynosural jump effect, due to very popular demand!

destroyers have been modified to be escort ships for large fleets, with increased PG, tracking, and a slight HP buff

agression timers on station have been modified according to the mass of the ship, the larger the ship the longer after the last shot fired will the station wait for things to cool down. So if you undock to fight your enemy be prepared to be in the fight to the finish!

a few exploits and bugs have been removed making eve a better place. a list of fixed bugs/exploits can be found HERE

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Originally by: Droog 1

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I like the losec boost that this brings.

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Originally by: Pottsey

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thatbloke said "Alot of you moaning about the perceived "lack" of new content are missing something - there is already a metric f**kton of content in EVE."
Not for some of us older players there isn't. I do PvP, PvE, industrial the lot and am completely bored of doing the same thing constantly. Eve needs more new content. It also needs more goals and things to spend isk on.
I don't find Eve massive I find it pretty tiny with not enough to do that's not been done to death already.

Sure Eve appears massive and is great for new players. But it's the old players that get bored of the old content.

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Originally by: Xtover

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Originally by: Gil Danastre

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I think part of it is that there's only so much to add. Back when EVE launched there were no cap ships, tech 2, etc. So it was easy to add in gaps. Now though we have ships for nearly every role, so adding in new ones is a lot harder.

Though I would have liked the ship revamp to be more than ONE ship. One down, 52+ to go!

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Check this out:

Hey players, for Tyrannis we've added in many new and exciting features, and here they are, patch notes style!


Introducing Planetary Interaction, where anyone can harvest resources from a planet, including POS fuel which can not only provide another source of income but also make soverign space even more independent!

We've had to reduce the system size to help combat lag, and since beyond 20AU (originally was to be 10AU but that was just stupid) is not warpable, we decided to make an exception of deep space probes.. you can scan out deep anomolies (just not bookmark them) that include a new feature:

fleet graveyards! a new salvage opportunity when you discover the ghostly remains of an aincent fleet battle. Who knows what wonders you will find?

Supercapital Anchors, miss flying those assault frigates because you've been trapped in an undockable supercap? Now, you can anchor (if you have roles) your supercapital and even set a password to board the ship. Be careful though, because the ship can be unanchored if someone has roles to do so (starbase config) or if the POS is put into reinforced!

speaking of assault ships, we have provided a 5th bonusto each ship, making them a formidible class of ship yet again

rockets have been tweaked to do damage on par with other light weapons

We've brought back the old cynosural jump effect, due to very popular demand!

destroyers have been modified to be escort ships for large fleets, with increased PG, tracking, and a slight HP buff

agression timers on station have been modified according to the mass of the ship, the larger the ship the longer after the last shot fired will the station wait for things to cool down. So if you undock to fight your enemy be prepared to be in the fight to the finish!

a few exploits and bugs have been removed making eve a better place. a list of fixed bugs/exploits can be found HERE

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