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Ryhss
Caldari 42nd Airborn
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Posted - 2010.04.18 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Rpeg They have a larger beast to maintain so it's unrealistic to expect huge expansions. Period. PERIOD. I think everyone would be happier if they just fixed the bugs that are annoying as it is. Stop complaining.
This.
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grypher
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Posted - 2010.04.18 18:10:00 -
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I guess working sound is too much to hope for in Tyrannis?
inb4 "EVE has sound?"
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Xyla Kador
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Posted - 2010.04.18 18:12:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Ryhss
Originally by: Rpeg They have a larger beast to maintain so it's unrealistic to expect huge expansions. Period. PERIOD. I think everyone would be happier if they just fixed the bugs that are annoying as it is. Stop complaining.
This.
in conjunction with this id also like to add that Tyranis and Incarna have been in the making and have been planed for a long time now so i expect the 2011 "expansion" to be the epic big fix of the century
besides...im sure that Incarna is the big awesome epic expansion that everyone is waiting for, everyone thats been saying its just vapor ware is secretly hoping to be proved wrong by the end of this year
and that rigth there is biggest "new content" expansion i can see so im hoping for more of a fixes expansion in 2011
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Neutrino Sunset
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.18 18:23:00 -
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Tyrannis looks lame to me. Although as long as when they launch it they don't actually break anything major that will still make it the best patch for years (Apocrypha, no sound for a year, Dominion, no fleet combat until ??).
The Planetary Interaction that players have been asking for ever since Eve was launched (and which they have been teased with by demo videos) is of ships flying into planet's atmospheres and doing new and interesting missions. So a few dialog boxes and progress bars arranged into some sort of incredibly trivial Sim City style mini game is naturally a disappointment to many and does nothing whatsoever to convey the impression that CCP is listening to its customers.
I think for many of us here the fear is that if Dust is even remotely a success we can expect to see even less meaningful development on Eve than we have for the last couple of years. I think the most that we can hope for is that Dust is a complete flop and that forces CCP to come back and expend some serious effort fixing all the stuff in Eve that's been utter crap ever since they released it (UI, combat mechanics, corp management, industry management, etc ...)
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Illwill Bill
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.04.18 18:24:00 -
[125]
Personally, I find the Tyrannis feature page to be fairly well designed. The front page highlights the two major features that they want to use to "sell" the expansion. Both features have their own feature pages, and there is a third page listing other improvements.
All is well from a marketing perspective. I am not going to comment on PI, as I haven't tried the final version.
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Ifly Uwalk
Caldari Empire Tax Collection Agency
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Posted - 2010.04.18 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Neutrino Sunset ... Sim City style ...
If it was actually Sim City style a lot of people would like it. It's not. It's POS-building on planets, and that's all it is. And for all that, when it comes out I bet it'll be bugged to hell. Not happy!
Ifly
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ddr800
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Posted - 2010.04.18 19:54:00 -
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Ok I want to forward this by saying, something everyone here has overlooked,
YOU GET THIS EXPANSION FOR FREE, You Paid JACK & SH@!
So you really have no room to complain, If you want Complaining Rights maybe CCP should charge $39.99 per for their expansions then your boohoos would possiblely be valid.
Things I would like to see,
#1 I think the scorpion revamp was a step in the right direction however all the ships in the game need a graphics revamp in similar proportions.
Lets not lie to our selves we went from DX7 to DX9 Great Move, However 3 years ago DX10 Came out and 3 months ago DX11 came out. So we are a bit behind in the graphics department, While we should offer a chance to our players to play on lower end systems we shouldn't target POS Dells as optimal running specifications for eve online.
Over all i am happy with this game i am kind of confused as to what the resources on the planets will be used for >?
PS: why is it always the Caldari that get the Graphics upgrades first, there like CCP golden children ? My personal guess has always been allot of the staff play them.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.04.18 20:01:00 -
[128]
ddr800 said "YOU GET THIS EXPANSION FOR FREE, You Paid JACK & SH@!" Its not free we pay a higher than average MMO monthly subscription for this content. CCP cannot charge for the expansions as the expansions are so tiny few people in their right mind would buy them. Anyway these are not real expansions. They are far too small to be classed a real expansions. More tiny content patch's CCP are trying to pass off as expansions.
Please stop comparing this expansion to other MMO's and saying its free. You might have a point if it was a real expansion on the size of the expansion other MMO's get. Right now most MMO's get more free content then we get in our so called free expansions. That's is not a plus point to Eve. That's a bad point of Eve.
Stop telling us we should be grateful for getting sub standard amounts of new content. Out of all the MMO's I play or have played Eve by far gets the smallest amount of new content.
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.18 20:16:00 -
[129]
Edited by: Tippia on 18/04/2010 20:17:52
Originally by: Lusulpher Quantum Rise delivered the Orca[and wtflag in all systems]. A ship made for moving your precious rigged ships about, maybe even your faction ones. It can't hold 1 BS. And it warps like a Freighter...
More than a year later. It's Ship Maint Bay is still too small for that BS.
Maybe it's because it's not meant to carry battleships. It has exactly the main bay it needs: enough to carry two Hulks. Oh, and it warps far quicker than a freighter (both in terms of actual warp speed and in terms of getting into warp).
So that's not particularly a case of them not listening, as of it doing exactly what it is meant to do, and people thinking it's meant for something completely different…
Originally by: Pottsey Its not free we pay a higher than average MMO monthly subscription for this content.
Not really, no, unless you include a lot of B-list, on-life-support, F2P, and budge MMOs. The subscription fee for EVE is the same as for all the other big-name MMOs. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Benri Konpaku
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Posted - 2010.04.18 20:24:00 -
[130]
Originally by: ddr800 Ok I want to forward this by saying, something everyone here has overlooked,
YOU GET THIS EXPANSION FOR FREE, You Paid JACK & SH@!
So you really have no room to complain, If you want Complaining Rights maybe CCP should charge $39.99 per for their expansions then your boohoos would possiblely be valid.
Don't be a dumbass. We are paying for them with our subscriptions and many times they are expansions CCP wants, not the players. Plus we also have to pay for them with deminished gameplay. CCP released Dominion and players lost fleet fights. They released Apocrypha and people paid with their sound. Etc. etc.
Nothing is free in this world. Besides, how much would CCP be able to charge for a NES era "production simulator" nowadays? __________
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Jin Tanyo
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Posted - 2010.04.18 21:26:00 -
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quit moaning will you ... Weve had it so good for so long .. we dont recognise a good thing anymore Its a real luxury to sit and play EVE and its becoming more life like .. the expansion is more real isnt it? Try and be a bit more positive ... the dev team know whats what .. they make the galaxy .... I know i couldnt do a better job, hell the programming isnt that much fun .. is it? GOOD JOB CCP! nice one if eve makes oyu unhappy dont play it .. be cool .. relax ... a test of your patience isnt hard to pass .. is it? hehehe
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Solra Wolfe
GunStars
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Posted - 2010.04.18 21:53:00 -
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Edited by: Solra Wolfe on 18/04/2010 21:54:02
Originally by: Jin Tanyo quit moaning will you ... Weve had it so good for so long .. we dont recognise a good thing anymore Its a real luxury to sit and play EVE and its becoming more life like .. the expansion is more real isnt it? Try and be a bit more positive ... the dev team know whats what .. they make the galaxy .... I know i couldnt do a better job, hell the programming isnt that much fun .. is it? GOOD JOB CCP! nice one if eve makes oyu unhappy dont play it .. be cool .. relax ... a test of your patience isnt hard to pass .. is it? hehehe
yah.. let's all smoke up, put on some bob marley and chill out.. NOT! I guess some of us are frustrated by CCP hyping something awesome at Fanfest and slick videos, only to find out its pins and lines on a planet!
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Grayclay
Caldari Van Uber. Order of the Rising Sun
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Posted - 2010.04.18 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey ddr800 said "YOU GET THIS EXPANSION FOR FREE, You Paid JACK & SH@!" Its not free we pay a higher than average MMO monthly subscription for this content. CCP cannot charge for the expansions as the expansions are so tiny few people in their right mind would buy them. Anyway these are not real expansions. They are far too small to be classed a real expansions. More tiny content patch's CCP are trying to pass off as expansions.
Please stop comparing this expansion to other MMO's and saying its free. You might have a point if it was a real expansion on the size of the expansion other MMO's get. Right now most MMO's get more free content then we get in our so called free expansions. That's is not a plus point to Eve. That's a bad point of Eve.
Stop telling us we should be grateful for getting sub standard amounts of new content. Out of all the MMO's I play or have played Eve by far gets the smallest amount of new content.
Ok, first off, the INDUSTRY STANDARD is $14.99 a month. All "brand-name" MMO's charge that as their monthly fee.
Secondly, no other MMO gives players bi-annual content updates to this extent. I don't know what other online games you've played, but 95% of game patches in other games are bug fixes and balancing issues catered to a constantly evolving playerbase.
Yes, they aren't REAL expansions. But that's because a "real" expansion COSTS MONEY to add to your game. These are FREE, BI-ANNUAL content updates that CCP has NO obligation to give us.
Etiquette bull**** aside, stop your little ***** whining and stop taking what you're getting for granted. You've gotten used to CCP releasing constant updates and revisions to the game in the past, and now that as a company they want to EXPAND their operations by adding two BRAND NEW games to their portfolio, they don't have as much manpower to work on EvE is a BOON to the company. The profits and playerbase these two new games will bring to CCP will do nothing but HELP the game, making an exception for the hardcore maschochist elite who want the game to make them suffer to the extent that its only accessible to them.
TLDR: Give CCP a break. Stop taking free content for granted, and get the 2x4 out of your ass.
I capitalized the important words so you can easily follow what I said.
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Warmaster Sarin
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Posted - 2010.04.18 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Im Blue
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Im Blue wasnt staged
Of course.
no it wasnt, just i remebered that last bit of the gm's post. i cut the start of the channel discussion out as tbh i didnt want to relive this afternoons football results, 1 point clear is ok with 3 games to go, well i hope
No one can stop 'em The Boys from Tottenham The Boys from White Heart Lane!
Yay!
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DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
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Posted - 2010.04.19 00:04:00 -
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Lack of new features isn't important. I wouldn't care if there wasn't a single new feature.
Lack of refinement to existing features is just plain crap. There are how many systems in EVE now?
How many times have you heard the phrase "what we're releasing now is just the start / only a small part, we plan to revise / update in the future accordingly" - only to never see a damn thing done to it. HELLO FACTIONAL WARFARE, ALLIANCE MECHANICS, EMPIRE WARS, I'M LOOKING AT YOU.
I'm gonna disagree with Pottsey on something though. Quantity means jack ****. Apocrypha was just as lightweight as Tyrannis, but the main feature there impacted everyone in a fundamental way. Planetary Interaction is another industrial venture for people to get distracted with for a few months.
And they did it in 4-5 months because for the first time CCP was "las0r focused" and had two thirds of its employees working on EVE instead of other things. Dominion took much longer to get out the door, but it also had more stuff. Tyrannis is taking almost as long as Dominion, but has very little. So it either implies CCP aren't as ambitious and hyped as before, or they're shuffling people to other projects again.
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Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention Rough Necks
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Posted - 2010.04.19 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Grayclay Ok, first off, the INDUSTRY STANDARD is $14.99 a month. All "brand-name" MMO's charge that as their monthly fee.
That's only true for where you pay in USD, in Europe CCP charges substantially more than all other major MMOs.
To the rest of your argument, if you really believe anybody would pay for expansions like Tyrannis, then CCP should probably start charging for them. At least you could then more easily "vote with your wallet" other than dropping the game entirely.
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Seth Ruin
Minmatar Ominous Corp Primary.
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Posted - 2010.04.19 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: Catari Taga
Originally by: Grayclay Ok, first off, the INDUSTRY STANDARD is $14.99 a month. All "brand-name" MMO's charge that as their monthly fee.
That's only true for where you pay in USD, in Europe CCP charges substantially more than all other major MMOs.
To the rest of your argument, if you really believe anybody would pay for expansions like Tyrannis, then CCP should probably start charging for them. At least you could then more easily "vote with your wallet" other than dropping the game entirely.
I'm starting to agree with this sentiment. I'd rather pay for a decent expansion than get crap after crap for years. I mean, if money were the issue, that is. And I highly doubt it is.
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Grayclay
Caldari Van Uber. Order of the Rising Sun
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Posted - 2010.04.19 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: Catari Taga
Originally by: Grayclay Ok, first off, the INDUSTRY STANDARD is $14.99 a month. All "brand-name" MMO's charge that as their monthly fee.
That's only true for where you pay in USD, in Europe CCP charges substantially more than all other major MMOs.
To the rest of your argument, if you really believe anybody would pay for expansions like Tyrannis, then CCP should probably start charging for them. At least you could then more easily "vote with your wallet" other than dropping the game entirely.
I'm sorry, that was my own ignorance at fault. I wasn't aware that the charge in Europe is higher. What exactly is the charge, in USD?
The thing is, we're playing a game on a single shard with a player driven economy. Sure, a paid expansion like The Burning Crusade is optional in theory, but who at this point plays World of Warcraft without both Burning Crusade and Wrath of the Lich King? And thats a game where each character only interacts with the game world and other players in terms of loot drops, the auction house and group questing.
In EvE, as you saw in The Butterfly Effect, albeit to a rather lame extent, everything people directly affects another player in the game. The market and economy is player driven, and PvP is player driven. For this reason, you cannot have two tiers of people playing on different levels of expansions. EVERYONE has to be on the same level, the same code, the same features and flaws. If not for practical discrepency reasons, for the very reason that you'll be limited by what you do not have access to.
And for this reason, it's better that the content we receive is free. For I can say most of us would rather receive free forced content than pay for forced content.
On another note, I feel that the majority if the dissent is rather superficial. Tyrannis will come and go, people will leave, people will join, and EvE will most certainly not tank. Each expansion simply gives us new **** to gripe over, and the previous release is all but forgotten.
Granted, there are certain issues that need to be addressed, but the thing is, these can only be addressed on a release-by-release basis. Each expansion of content changes aspects of the game, tweaks coding, add's and removes objects, refines the game itself. So we will inherently encounter more and less lag depending on the recent additions to the game; this will come with any process that is constantly changing, like EvE is with its yearly content updates.
So it comes down to this; Do you want to play an unchanging game that is rather stable in what people do and don't like, or would you rather the developers address issues and dynamically alter the game, providing a less stable but more content driven environment?
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.04.19 03:52:00 -
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Originally by: Solra Wolfe yah.. let's all smoke up, put on some bob marley and chill out.. NOT! I guess some of us are frustrated by CCP hyping something awesome at Fanfest and slick videos, only to find out its pins and lines on a planet!
When faced with an opportunity to rage, why would anyone sit back, relax and accept reality (and push for realistic change of course) when one can Rant and Rage and ****post and BE VERY VERY UPSET WITH EVERYONE!
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Kyra Felann
Gallente Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.19 04:04:00 -
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Originally by: Neutrino Sunset So a few dialog boxes and progress bars arranged into some sort of incredibly trivial Sim City style mini game is naturally a disappointment to many and does nothing whatsoever to convey the impression that CCP is listening to its customers.
Most of the people complaining want it to be like SimCity. It's not--it's more like SimPlumbing. All you do is connect things so that stuff flows from one place to another.
If it was basically SimCity 1 in space, I'd be OK with that, but not with what it's like on Singularity. They said at FanFest that it'd be similar to SimCity and Civilization. Calling Tyrannis anything like SimCity is an insult to SimCity, honestly.
I think you're confusing planetary interaction with atmospheric flight. Planetary interaction was always supposed to be a strategy game style thing as far as I'm aware.
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ArmyOfMe
Resonance. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.04.19 04:57:00 -
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stop pumping out new features until you have managed to fix the ones that are in the game now tbfh.
and verone, try and get your head out of ccp's ass for once
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Zenst
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.04.19 05:32:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Pottsey Edited by: Pottsey on 16/04/2010 17:51:12 http://www.eveonline.com/tyrannis/default.asp mostly fluff almost no new content.
Please tell us there is more than just that. That's not an expansion that's a mini content patch barely. What on earth have the Devs been working on all this time? Where is all he new gameplay content?
Is it me or are the expansions content wise getting smaller and smaller? What happened to the good old days of Red Moon Rising style expansions?
Well its more a bug fixing patch, any content a bonus. Too much content and people cry fix the bugs. Too little and people cry fix my ship. Its a nice balance. Small steps == steady steps.
Its whats not documented for this release that is of real interest for most though; Least from my perspective.
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Opertone
Caldari SIEGE. Reckoning.
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Posted - 2010.04.19 05:34:00 -
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assault frigates, *dance *dance
and destroyers, *dirty dance
I like I like
(yeah, i am dancing in my room)
btw, where can I find info on the new boosts?
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Xyla Kador
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Posted - 2010.04.19 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Solra Wolfe
yah.. let's all smoke up, put on some bob marley and chill out.. NOT! I guess some of us are frustrated by CCP hyping something awesome at Fanfest and slick videos, only to find out its pins and lines on a planet!
confirming that im not disappointed at all (no sarcasm)
PINS AND LINES HERE I COME \O/
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Bonn Marto
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Posted - 2010.04.19 05:41:00 -
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... uh ... guys? You're not playing "the expansion." There's not gonna be some herb little download you'll have to get or opt out of depending on if you want to drop more money. This isn't wow. These expansions ARE Eve. It's not like you're gonna stop playing because you don't like an expansion. Is the game getting worse because of Tyrannis? No? Didn't think so. So shut it.
I honestly don't get the beef. Eve has DESPERATELY needed a good batch of bug fixes ever since premium came down the pipe, perhaps since even earlier. The devs have enough on their hands without inventing new ship classes for you to play with every year. And besides ... you're complaining about a whole new avenue for making iskies? That seems a nice big honkin-style deal to me.
That said, going forward, I wanna see t2 versions of the teir 2 bc's and tier 3 bs's. How cool would that be? A dedicated patrol ship with a hyper ultra mega tank and bonuses to warp scrambling and combat scanning? Maybe next year?
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Asuka Smith
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2010.04.19 05:50:00 -
[146]
Edited by: Asuka Smith on 19/04/2010 05:53:09 Edited by: Asuka Smith on 19/04/2010 05:52:41 If the sparse feature list means they worked on some stuff under the hood then this is going to be the most exciting expansion ever.
EDIT: Also, $14.99 a month is cheap for the servers that CCP provides and the fact they have nearly 23.5/7 uptime. WOW has like 21/7 uptime if you count their 12 hour weekly maintenance for the piddly 3k PCU and sharded servers they run.
In addition, the content changes might be small but at least they are compelling. WoW got 10 more levels of... the same kill 10 moose and level up that it always had. Hardly revolutionary and it was $40.
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Xyla Kador
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Posted - 2010.04.19 06:07:00 -
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Originally by: Asuka Smith Edited by: Asuka Smith on 19/04/2010 05:53:09 Edited by: Asuka Smith on 19/04/2010 05:52:41 If the sparse feature list means they worked on some stuff under the hood then this is going to be the most exciting expansion ever.
EDIT: Also, $14.99 a month is cheap for the servers that CCP provides and the fact they have nearly 23.5/7 uptime. WOW has like 21/7 uptime if you count their 12 hour weekly maintenance for the piddly 3k PCU and sharded servers they run.
In addition, the content changes might be small but at least they are compelling. WoW got 10 more levels of... the same kill 10 moose and level up that it always had. Hardly revolutionary and it was $40.
inb4 forum rulz brokenz smackdown
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.04.19 06:15:00 -
[148]
Grayclay said "Secondly, no other MMO gives players bi-annual content updates to this extent. I don't know what other online games you've played, but 95% of game patches in other games are bug fixes and balancing issues catered to a constantly evolving playerbase." Your right no one gives such low content to the extent that Eve does. They instead give much more. Perhaps 95% is bug fixes but that 5% is still more new content then Eve gives these days.
All the others MMO's I have played or play give bi-annual or better updates and the updates are much larger then Eve. Star Trek online gets new content roughly every 3 weeks. They have already in a matter of months had more content added then Eve has had in past two expansions. D&D online gets true large free expansions with more content per year then Eve. LotR is the same as D&D. E&B was also pretty good. I didn't play Wow, EQ or SWG long enough to judge fairly. Eve used to be the same as the other MMO's as well. Its only recently that the content got small.
Grayclay said "So it comes down to this; Do you want to play an unchanging game that is rather stable in what people do and don't like, or would you rather the developers address issues and dynamically alter the game, providing a less stable but more content driven environment?" I want to play a game that has a decent amount of new content added just like the old days when CCP was much smaller. I want to play a game which doesn't get boring due to the lack of new content and things to do. Eve is fine for new players but older players get bored and part of the point of MMO's and subscriptions is regularly new content. But new content in Eve has really shrank in the past years.
Eve used to get large amounts of content. Now it barely gets any. Why should I find that acceptable? Like I said before it's not the lack of new features that bother me, it's the lack of new game play content. Even if it's just little things like new missions, cosmos or expanding older content.
Grayclay said " I wasn't aware that the charge in Europe is higher. What exactly is the charge, in USD?" Its around $20.1 pretty pricy compared to all the other MMO's. At least the ones I play.
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2010.04.19 06:17:00 -
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Originally by: Grayclay
Originally by: Catari Taga
Originally by: Grayclay Ok, first off, the INDUSTRY STANDARD is $14.99 a month. All "brand-name" MMO's charge that as their monthly fee.
That's only true for where you pay in USD, in Europe CCP charges substantially more than all other major MMOs.
To the rest of your argument, if you really believe anybody would pay for expansions like Tyrannis, then CCP should probably start charging for them. At least you could then more easily "vote with your wallet" other than dropping the game entirely.
I'm sorry, that was my own ignorance at fault. I wasn't aware that the charge in Europe is higher. What exactly is the charge, in USD?
EUR 15/month which is currently about USD 20
http://www.google.com/#q=15+eur+in+usd
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2010.04.19 06:45:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey Edited by: Pottsey on 16/04/2010 17:51:12 http://www.eveonline.com/tyrannis/default.asp mostly fluff almost no new content.
Please tell us there is more than just that. That's not an expansion that's a mini content patch barely. What on earth have the Devs been working on all this time? Where is all he new gameplay content?
Is it me or are the expansions content wise getting smaller and smaller? What happened to the good old days of Red Moon Rising style expansions?
The expansion looks pretty good to me. Planetary interaction looks awesome, and that alone qualifies for the expansion. Then you get the new web/game integration, graphic update on one of the space ships etc.
All in all I am happy. But ofcource. It is Incarna I am waiting for, but this one looks solid enough to me!
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