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Atticus Fynch	Posted - 2010.04.16 22:22:00 - [1] I've looked and looked, but among all the different drone types, I haven't seen a "salvage" drone. Does it exist and if not what do you think about it?
ShahFluffers Gallente Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.04.16 22:29:00 - [2] Salvage drones used to exist. There were skillbooks and everything. Sadly they were taken out of circulation for reasons I can't quite remember at the moment. You cans still find them through the contract market... however they are considered "collectors items" and thus are immensely expensive. _______________________ "Just because I look like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown
Lord Helghast	Posted - 2010.04.16 22:32:00 - [3] nope oddly, the books existed, people even trained it some to even V lol, but yet not a single damn salvage drone, something that i doubt wud really impact the game balance much, but yet they didnt implement them for some friggin reason.
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.16 22:51:00 - [4] Originally by: Lord Helghast something that i doubt wud really impact the game balance much, but yet they didnt implement them for some friggin reason. It would destroy ninja salvaging as a viable profession. Yet another, slightly quiet, example of CCP approving of ninja salvaging Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Monky Do	Posted - 2010.04.16 23:02:00 - [5] Monky Do gives it about 30 minutes max until the salvager whines start. Note: Monky Do can be right as well as wrong and punters are advised that bets placed are entirely at their own risk.
Boltorano Fourth Circle Total Comfort	Posted - 2010.04.16 23:11:00 - [6] Keyzer... Soze!
Atticus Fynch	Posted - 2010.04.16 23:36:00 - [7] Originally by: ShahFluffers Salvage drones used to exist. There were skillbooks and everything. Sadly they were taken out of circulation for reasons I can't quite remember at the moment. You cans still find them through the contract market... however they are considered "collectors items" and thus are immensely expensive. Their function would really be no different than mining drones. Too bad they are gone.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2010.04.16 23:51:00 - [8] Edited by: Nova Fox on 16/04/2010 23:51:02 I think ninja salvaging is the reason why they didnt put it in. Kills the risk on the ninja's end really. Also robs the ninja the oppertunity as well. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 24FEB10
Zartrader	Posted - 2010.04.17 00:48:00 - [9] I smell a bait and switch, you guys must be getting desperate to avoid something easily avoidable already.
RentableMuffin	Posted - 2010.04.17 01:01:00 - [10] Originally by: Nova Fox Edited by: Nova Fox on 16/04/2010 23:51:02 I think ninja salvaging is the reason why they didnt put it in. Kills the risk on the ninja's end really. Also robs the ninja the oppertunity as well. I don't think it would kill ninja salvaging, just would give mission runners a choice between small ship defense and some extra income. I dunno I barely ever stop to pick up loot anymore anyways.
The Pricer	Posted - 2010.04.17 04:11:00 - [11] Originally by: RentableMuffin Originally by: Nova Fox Edited by: Nova Fox on 16/04/2010 23:51:02 I think ninja salvaging is the reason why they didnt put it in. Kills the risk on the ninja's end really. Also robs the ninja the oppertunity as well. I don't think it would kill ninja salvaging, just would give mission runners a choice between small ship defense and some extra income. I dunno I barely ever stop to pick up loot anymore anyways. Marouder pilots would wet themselves
Taxesarebad	Posted - 2010.04.17 05:12:00 - [12] they probally didnt add them because of how fast salvage prices would drop...

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Shardrael Caldari The Fimbriani Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2010.04.17 09:39:00 - [14] Edited by: Shardrael on 17/04/2010 09:40:24 I believe the idea stated at the time was that it would be to much to not force npcers to lose highslots for salvage ability. At the time salvagers were terrible and to salvage in any kind of meaningful timeframe you had to have multiple ones running so there was a trade off between plowing through and spending time to salvage. To put things in persepctive, although salvage itself and the rigs that could be built were meant as a way to rebalance all ships in the game and change general statistics like engagement ranges etc, salvage itself was also brought in when level 4's were being rebalanced from a speed runners isk generating machine to a multi pronged money farm where mission payouts were reduced to virtually nil and required the money in a mission to be made from bounties, tags, loot, and salvage which all slowed down mission farming somewhat. This could all be bs though and the mechanic was just bugged and they never bothered to fix it and implement who knows edit: to add to that, at the time there were alot of other things to be added with rigs etc that never made it in like additional drones deployed rigs, the whole game was being rebalanced and parts were added while others were dropped, the end Signature locked. Please submit a petition to discuss the matter further. Navigator
elimuhn8v2	Posted - 2010.04.17 09:44:00 - [15] Edited by: elimuhn8v2 on 17/04/2010 09:46:43 If i remember correctly it was a programming problem. Drones do not have a cargo hold, so they are not able to store the salvage and then transport them to you're cargohold. Mining drones don't have any (real)cargo hold either. (it says so on the description of the drone but it has no physical cargo hold) They just transport the ore directly from the roid in too your cargo hold when they completed there mining cycle and are in range of you're ship. For salvaging that doesn't work because the salvage doesn't exist before you turn the wreck in too salvage. The drone has no where to store that salvage so that is a problem. CCP didn't find (or could not be bothered too find) a fix for this problem. edit: spelling and my many errors in it
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2010.04.17 10:36:00 - [16] Originally by: Taxesarebad they probally didnt add them because of how fast salvage prices would drop... Yet salvage prices were many times higher than they were intended to be. Unless you consider "we expect rigs to be just as common as any other mod" to mean "we want rigs to often cost several times more than the ship itself".
Rivur'Tam	Posted - 2010.04.17 12:16:00 - [17] Originally by: elimuhn8v2 Edited by: elimuhn8v2 on 17/04/2010 09:46:43 If i remember correctly it was a programming problem. Drones do not have a cargo hold, so they are not able to store the salvage and then transport them to you're cargohold. Mining drones don't have any (real)cargo hold either. (it says so on the description of the drone but it has no physical cargo hold) They just transport the ore directly from the roid in too your cargo hold when they completed there mining cycle and are in range of you're ship. For salvaging that doesn't work because the salvage doesn't exist before you turn the wreck in too salvage. The drone has no where to store that salvage so that is a problem. CCP didn't find (or could not be bothered too find) a fix for this problem. edit: spelling and my many errors in it you are correct it was brought up at fanfest 2 years ago your reply was the same as a devs ... my vid watch now
Aamrr	Posted - 2010.04.18 12:26:00 - [18] Ooh! Drone tractor beams! They'd fly to the target and fetch it for you. Good drone! petpet
Zilberfrid	Posted - 2010.04.18 13:28:00 - [19] I would like a doggie that way, it'd almost be worth to use the amarr one (Golden retriever), but it would be just for fun, I fear balance would dictate it not to be.
Birdman Ravo Legion of The Birds	Posted - 2010.04.18 14:09:00 - [20] Originally by: Aamrr Ooh! Drone tractor beams! They'd fly to the target and fetch it for you. Good drone! petpet /support? /support! Salvage drones would be gamebreaking for a lot of people and a lot of professions. Just think of having 5 salvagers able to move at between 800m/s and 4000m/s with a range limited by your skills and modules. With no aggression timers to relate a player could jump into a pocket, salvage EVERYTHING, and leave within 4-5 minutes.
fuxinos Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm	Posted - 2010.04.18 15:10:00 - [21] Edited by: fuxinos on 18/04/2010 15:10:33 They once responded to this issue, but the problem wasnt one of your stupid theories ala "It would be gamebreaking", but because of the game engine that didnt allow Salvagedrones to work as intended.
CrouchingSnpr HidnCampr	Posted - 2010.04.18 15:15:00 - [22] Edited by: CrouchingSnpr HidnCampr on 18/04/2010 15:15:40 Originally by: Birdman Ravo Originally by: Aamrr Ooh! Drone tractor beams! They'd fly to the target and fetch it for you. Good drone! petpet /support? /support! Salvage drones would be gamebreaking for a lot of people and a lot of professions. Just think of having 5 salvagers able to move at between 800m/s and 4000m/s with a range limited by your skills and modules. With no aggression timers to relate a player could jump into a pocket, salvage EVERYTHING, and leave within 4-5 minutes. except for the fact that because they are drones their salvage percentage would have to be lower then the module (like ecm drones). Therefor it would take longer for the individual drones to get anything done. you would need to put all 5 on a single BS wreck to get it done in a resonable amount of time.. for Frig sized wrecks i suppose 1 or 2 would be enough. I highly doubt someone could pop in and out in 4-5 mins with BS wrecks and useing 1 drone per wreck though they would make it somewhat faster in tandem with the salvagers on the ship. *edit: spelling
Lyris Nairn Caldari Hashimoto Corporation	Posted - 2010.04.18 16:19:00 - [23] Originally by: CrouchingSnpr HidnCampr Edited by: CrouchingSnpr HidnCampr on 18/04/2010 15:15:40 Originally by: Birdman Ravo Originally by: Aamrr Ooh! Drone tractor beams! They'd fly to the target and fetch it for you. Good drone! petpet /support? /support! Salvage drones would be gamebreaking for a lot of people and a lot of professions. Just think of having 5 salvagers able to move at between 800m/s and 4000m/s with a range limited by your skills and modules. With no aggression timers to relate a player could jump into a pocket, salvage EVERYTHING, and leave within 4-5 minutes. except for the fact that because they are drones their salvage percentage would have to be lower then the module (like ecm drones). Therefor it would take longer for the individual drones to get anything done. you would need to put all 5 on a single BS wreck to get it done in a resonable amount of time.. for Frig sized wrecks i suppose 1 or 2 would be enough. I highly doubt someone could pop in and out in 4-5 mins with BS wrecks and useing 1 drone per wreck though they would make it somewhat faster in tandem with the salvagers on the ship. *edit: spelling So... I would just have to check the 'Focus Fire' and 'Aggressive' boxes, and forget about them? :D

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