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Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.21 23:40:00 -
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Edited by: Archbishop on 21/04/2010 23:41:05
 Originally by: Archbishop
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Listen to me, Murkon, it is quite simple: you're a slaver and an active supporter of the expansionist policies of the Amarr Empire. You deploy facilities for the express purpose of actively supporting the policies of the Amarr Empire in space.
You are our enemy.
We have given you the requisite notice under our longstanding policy.
I suggest you stop complaining about it because, as has been pointed out by others aligned with the Amarr Empire, it is rather pathethic.
The Cosmopolite
I have a question for The Cosmopolite. I noticed a well known slaver, slave torturer, slave gladiator contest organizer, slave executioner and declared supporter of the Amarr Empress has posted a few times in this thread. The person I speak of, Revan Neferis, is well known for her slaver activities and recently has made several postings in full support of the Amarr Empress.
Am I safe in assuming using your currently posted "standards" for declaring war on slavers that the Star Fraction will be setting her alliance to -10 as well? She seems to fulfill at least as many of your three criteria as the SPCS does.
Keep in mind not doing so would be completely hypocritical... unless of course you've reached another one of your famous smoke-filled backroom deals with her in which case it would still be completely hypocritical but business as usual for the Star Fraction.
Archbishop
I noticed Cosmo was apparently absent and not able to answer my question above. Perhaps another Star Fraction pilot or even Jade herself would like to comment on this situation.
Archbishop
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Darveses
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.04.22 08:55:00 -
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Archie, that argument is 5 years old. 
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Darveses
Archie, that argument is 5 years old.
6, by the end of next month to be precise.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
ôThe Abyss of Hallucinations has Law and Reason; but in Truth there is no bond between the Toys of the Gods.ö |
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Darveses
Archie, that argument is 5 years old.
6, by the end of next month to be precise.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Yep, and we're still waiting for a satisfactory answer.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Darveses
Archie, that argument is 5 years old.
6, by the end of next month to be precise.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Yep, and we're still waiting for a satisfactory answer.
Ask your God. He might give you your satisfactory answer and put your dead boorish obsessive stalking mind to rest at last.
Want to come to the celebration party this year?
I'm thinking about Whips. Whips and chains.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
ôThe Abyss of Hallucinations has Law and Reason; but in Truth there is no bond between the Toys of the Gods.ö |
Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
Am I safe in assuming using your currently posted "standards" for declaring war on slavers that the Star Fraction will be setting her alliance to -10 as well? She seems to fulfill at least as many of your three criteria as the SPCS does.
My beloved Revan Neferis has done more damage to the Amarr Empire and its capsuleer tag-along-cheerleaders than a thousand Havohej's would manage in their entire existence. You should take the advise that Silas Vitalia kindly provided you on page one of this thread and stop filling this virtual medium with your bitter tears and wheedling complaints.
Originally by: Silas Vitalia
The complaints of several here are quite embarrassing to hear as a True Amarr, specifically Lord Murkon and Merdaneth.
Since when has a capsuleer organization ever needed to explain or justify the setting of its own standings towards other groups? The incessant whining of my fellow Amarrians here has done nothing but bring shame upon themselves.
Why should you even remotely care what the Anarchists and Godless think of you, or why they think it? Those silly details are completely irrelevant. This sort of whining makes me wonder if you want to be their friends? The entire conversation is rediculous. Being set to negative by them should be the obvious and -default- response, and one that you should expect and be proud of.
Whining over the specifics or reasoning of such decisions to try and point out inconsistencies in their public policy is beneath you both. Grow some backbone and start acting like the proud people you should be.
Shameful.
True Knowledge |
Heartstone
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Yep, and we're still waiting for a satisfactory answer.
One cannot provide justification, no matter how rational, to those who will not accept the rationality of your argument.
Heartstone
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.04.23 15:29:00 -
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I notice the bashing Bishop hasn't replied to Silas' words yet.
True Knowledge |
Tempus Iskander
Gallente
Les Enfants de Gaia
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Posted - 2010.04.24 14:36:00 -
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Amazing how much drama comes from setting a couple of Slaver corps red.
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Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.24 21:21:00 -
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As there has been no answer to the question I posed to Jade at the top of this page I'll attempt to post the answer that seem most obvious based on the evidence to date.
Hypothetical Star Fraction Answer:
The Star Fraction uses "slavery" as an excuse for combat and does not really care about slavery at all. We reserve the right to compromise any of our Principles of the Week at any time and for any reason. We realize all evidence points to the fact we claim one thing and do the opposite but we choose to ignore that evidence and hope no one else notices it. If we want to hop in bed with a slave torturing harolt thats our right. Yes we acknowledge it's completely hypocritical but we are completely hypocritical and thats just the way it is. We say one thing then do another. We oppose closed space then kiss up to groups that do it. We condemn corp theft then help one of our member corporations execute it. We claim to want freespace yet make peace with groups that deny it. The Star Fraction reserves the right to change it's Principles of the Week at any time and thus use them as an excuse for war and violence at any time against any one.
That seems to about cover it. As the Star Fraction hasn't replied to the hypocrisy they commit you may consider this a public service annoucement.
Archbishop
PIE WEBSITE
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.04.24 21:58:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 24/04/2010 21:58:59
Originally by: Archbishop
As there has been no answer to the question I posed to Jade at the top of this page I'll attempt to post the answer that seem most obvious based on the evidence to date.
PIE wish fulfilment "answer"
The Star Fraction uses "slavery" as an excuse for combat and does not really care about slavery at all. We reserve the right to compromise any of our Principles of the Week at any time and for any reason. We realize all evidence points to the fact we claim one thing and do the opposite but we choose to ignore that evidence and hope no one else notices it. If we want to hop in bed with a slave torturing harolt thats our right. Yes we acknowledge it's completely hypocritical but we are completely hypocritical and thats just the way it is. We say one thing then do another. We oppose closed space then kiss up to groups that do it. We condemn corp theft then help one of our member corporations execute it. We claim to want freespace yet make peace with groups that deny it. The Star Fraction reserves the right to change it's Principles of the Week at any time and thus use them as an excuse for war and violence at any time against any one.
That seems to about cover it. As the Star Fraction hasn't replied to the hypocrisy they commit you may consider this a public service annoucement.
Archbishop
We haven't replied to the charge of hypocrisy because there is none outside your fevered desire for it. You have frenziedly stalked us on these forums for the best part of five years now trying desperately to pretend there is some inconsistency in the Fraction ideology without any success whatsoever. Your motive for doing so is known to some of us of course but even to the neutral observer you are looking increasingly threadbare and comical in your attempts to back the play of every anonymous insult proxy that coughs out an ill-considered accusation on this forum.
True Knowledge |
Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.24 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
We haven't replied to the charge of hypocrisy because there is none outside your fevered desire for it. You have frenziedly stalked us on these forums for the best part of five years now trying desperately to pretend there is some inconsistency in the Fraction ideology without any success whatsoever. Your motive for doing so is known to some of us of course but even to the neutral observer you are looking increasingly threadbare and comical in your attempts to back the play of every anonymous insult proxy that coughs out an ill-considered accusation on this forum.
My motive is the truth. As a man of God I am dedicated to bringing the truth into the light. I will note Jade as I am not the only one here who has asked I can only assume this is once again an attempt at diversion. Still the facts are in evidence for everyone to see.
1. You have made a peace treaty with an enclosurist alliance that seals space and even sacrificed your own "principles" by agreeing to limits on where to rat and deploy infrastructure.
2. You claim to oppose slavery and those who support the Amarr Empire yet have a personal relationship with someone who is a slaver, has tortured and killed slaves, held slave gladiator contests and (this week at least) is a supporter of the Amarr Empress.
Those two glaring examples of hypocrisy are here for all too see. You have denied neither instead attempting misdirection or accusing others of "false flag" posting. It really doesn't matter at the end of the day what diversionary attempt you use because these two things are FACTS and YOU HAVE ADMITTED THEM ALREADY in past posts. You've compromised your principles whenever they become inconvenient. I think the fact you've failed to address these issues is because the only way to address them is "YES WE DID IT". You did these two things by your own admission and now on the altar of hypocrisy you stand tall.
It's really that simple.
Archbishop
PIE WEBSITE
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.04.25 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
more duplicate (third simultaneous thread) nonsense
Really now, you can't accuse others of evading points while you are refusing to answer the questions put to you. At the moment you have the aspect of a humiliated squid squirting out jets of murky ink to hide your embarrassment at being dressed down by another Amarrian in this thread who disapproves of your begging and wheedling over standings.
Try answering some questions before hurling meaningless drivel.
True Knowledge |
Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.25 03:15:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Archbishop
more duplicate (third simultaneous thread) nonsense
Really now, you can't accuse others of evading points while you are refusing to answer the questions put to you. At the moment you have the aspect of a humiliated squid squirting out jets of murky ink to hide your embarrassment at being dressed down by another Amarrian in this thread who disapproves of your begging and wheedling over standings.
Try answering some questions before hurling meaningless drivel.
Looking up at your posts I fail to see any questions just the usual diversions from the inconveinent truths posted about you.
Archbishop
PIE WEBSITE
ARCHBISHOP PORTAL |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2010.04.28 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Try answering some questions before hurling meaningless drivel.
Love, talking about Archbishop, you're simply asking the impossible.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
ôThe Abyss of Hallucinations has Law and Reason; but in Truth there is no bond between the Toys of the Gods.ö |
Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.04.28 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Try answering some questions before hurling meaningless drivel.
Love, talking about Archbishop, you're simply asking the impossible.
Heretic Neferis, unless you have something to contribute that is worth reading for anyone but ms. Constantine, I suggest you stay out of threads that don't concern you.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2010.04.28 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth
Heretic Neferis, unless you have something to contribute that is worth reading for anyone but ms. Constantine, I suggest you stay out of threads that don't concern you.
Infidel Merdaneth, your suggestion will be taken by me with same level of importance that you have at space: None. Nada, Zero.
You have been spamming my lover's threads for 5 years now so I can understand that you feel yourself quite unsettled by my presence here.
Get used.
Or become useful to Amarr and something to yourself for a change?
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
ôThe Abyss of Hallucinations has Law and Reason; but in Truth there is no bond between the Toys of the Gods.ö |
Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.05.04 01:21:00 -
[138]
The Fruit Flys
PESTS
24 hour notification of hostile standings. (CVA aligned false flag entity).
True Knowledge |
Kor Shivat
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.05.04 03:12:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
1. You have made a peace treaty with an enclosurist alliance that seals space and even sacrificed your own "principles" by agreeing to limits on where to rat and deploy infrastructure.
Let us assume, for the sake of argument, that an enclosing alliance operates at a level of restrictiveness far greater than what would be considered ideal for an "absence of coercion or violence" to flourish (whatever term we choose to apply to such an ideal, le coughe). An enclosed entity which followed such principles would not be hypocritical for operating within that enclosure, because its presence decreases the total restrictiveness of the overall space. Said another way, if you reach the enclosure, despite the restrictions of the larger alliance, you have an opportunity to experience the idealism.
Hypocrisy would largely require being the enclosing alliance. Even then, the concept of "ordered liberty" recognizes a need for constraints on individual liberty, so that all participants may enjoy the highest level of freedom without enabling "citizen despots."
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.05.04 10:48:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
The Fruit Flys
PESTS
24 hour notification of hostile standings. (CVA aligned false flag entity).
I assume without having engaged in diplomacy with The Fruit Flys, and with denying the The Fruit Flys a diplomatic solution, and without any act of aggression on part of The Fruit Flys in space?
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Darveses
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.05.04 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth
I assume without having engaged in diplomacy with The Fruit Flys, and with denying the The Fruit Flys a diplomatic solution, and without any act of aggression on part of The Fruit Flys in space?
Honey, didn't we have this discussion a few pages earlier?
Just reread everything and replace "Merdaneth" by "Melanogaster" and "Angel Wing" by "Fruit Flys".
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D melanogaster
Minmatar
The Fruit Flys
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Posted - 2010.05.04 13:22:00 -
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Ahh... getting a little paranoid are we? No diplomacy was attempted. To be honest I am not aligned with CVA in the slightest.. In truth I am not a ban of your useless alliance so I'm not surprised that you would just throw me in a bucket with the rest of the haters. No matter, we see that words against you are enough to be considered KOS.
I am happy to occupy a standing slot. You will find them running short soon with this type of diplomacy. It won't be long until you have an external KOS list to keep it all together.
So continues the transition to what you hate most..
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