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Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.17 18:38:00 - [1] The Star Fraction gives 24 hours advanced warning of standings change (negative) to the following entities associated with and tainted by Amarrian Imperialist principles and used as front organizations by known and active capsuleer agents of the Amarrian imperium. After this deadline has passed any Free Captain of the Star Fraction may initiate hostile action without warning against the following named entities. SPCS [SPCS] SPCS Port Services Inc. [SPCSP] Angel Wing. [A-WIN] Thank you for your time. True Knowledge
Lyris Nairn Caldari Hashimoto Corporation	Posted - 2010.04.17 20:11:00 - [2] A question, Free Captain Constantine; My corporation has maintained friendly relations with the Amarr Empire (and most other entities) in the past. We have also conducted trade and anti-piracy operations in the Providence region while it was under the flag of CVA. Will these past activities serve as enough to mark us as red to you, or shall we be allowed free passage to conduct business and freely explore space?
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.04.18 08:29:00 - [3] While I think considered me a hostile is the right decision, I must object to the reason and the method. - There has been no form of diplomacy preceding the declaration, nor any form of terms offered (I could easily accept terms similar to those offered to the imperialist NBSI standings enclosurist organization known as Daisho Syndicate). - I consider the reason given dishonest. I believe the reason for the declaration of hostility is due to my opposition of Star Fraction notables on the summit and my stance on Imperialism and/or Freespace is irrelevant to the declaration. Has there been a formal vote about this matter, or are declarations like this considered unimportant enough to be pushed through by the pilots with authority in Star Fraction? And if they are considered relatively unimportant, why post them on IGS and not simply mail me and Lord Murkon privately? ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.18 15:10:00 - [4] Originally by: Merdaneth While I think considered me a hostile is the right decision, I must object to the reason and the method. Your objections are noted. Quote: - There has been no form of diplomacy preceding the declaration, nor any form of terms offered (I could easily accept terms similar to those offered to the imperialist NBSI standings enclosurist organization known as Daisho Syndicate). You have not been offered terms because we simply don't trust a word you say. Whereas the diplomatic team of Daisho Syndicate have displayed a capacity to negotiate and arrange with some (and increasing) good faith. You have done nothing in your long years of service to amarrian nationalism but tell lies and behave with incredible dishonesty in space and on the summit. Your word quite literally means nothing. On the deadline tonight you will be set -10 and that is the end to it. True Knowledge
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.18 15:13:00 - [5] Originally by: Lyris Nairn A question, Free Captain Constantine; My corporation has maintained friendly relations with the Amarr Empire (and most other entities) in the past. We have also conducted trade and anti-piracy operations in the Providence region while it was under the flag of CVA. Will these past activities serve as enough to mark us as red to you, or shall we be allowed free passage to conduct business and freely explore space? At this time your corporation is flagged neutral to the Star Fraction. I thank you for your candid admission of dealings with the imperialist enclosurism of the CVA and urge you to be more discerning in your political decisions in the future - but unless you engage in hostilty against the Star Fraction in your deeds in space you will likely remain neutral and enjoy whatever free passage your piloting arts and diplomacy with other entities will afford you. True Knowledge
Deshat Mehatek Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.18 15:32:00 - [6] So Constantine changes standings without any attempt at negotiation, and agaisnt SPCS, which attempts to help slaves? Why not Nairn's organization, which freely admits to using slave labor? Why not my own controversial corporation? I would think I would at least be considered for all the lies that have been spread about me. It seems clear to me that Constantine is more interested in political statements than actually attempting to help slaves get free. Pity, the least she could do is at least try to be honest.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.18 15:36:00 - [7] Originally by: Deshat Mehatek Why not my own controversial corporation? I would think I would at least be considered for all the lies that have been spread about me. Who are you? True Knowledge
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.04.18 16:26:00 - [8] Originally by: Jade Constantine You have not been offered terms because we simply don't trust a word you say. Whereas the diplomatic team of Daisho Syndicate have displayed a capacity to negotiate and arrange with some (and increasing) good faith. You have done nothing in your long years of service to amarrian nationalism but tell lies and behave with incredible dishonesty in space and on the summit. Your word quite literally means nothing. I have never broken my word on any diplomatic agreement, let alone any diplomatic agreement with Star Fraction. If you do not trust me to keep my word on any diplomatic agreement it must be based on impressions. Just recently Star Fraction stated they care much about impressions, but focused on facts instead. Has that changed? Additionally, I regularly see you calling many of your opponents dishonest and liars. As recent as yesterday you called Admiral Grr a bare-faced liar. I always assumed you were merely posturing. Disagreement is no reason to refuse diplomacy. If I can practice diplomacy with people that deny the existence of God (to me obviously a lie), shouldn't you be able to do the same? ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Lyris Nairn Caldari Hashimoto Corporation	Posted - 2010.04.18 16:39:00 - [9] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Deshat Mehatek Why not my own controversial corporation? I would think I would at least be considered for all the lies that have been spread about me. Who are you? < A giggle fit ensues. >
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.18 16:44:00 - [10] Originally by: Merdaneth Additionally, I regularly see you calling many of your opponents dishonest and liars. As recent as yesterday you called Admiral Grr a bare-faced liar. CVA pilot Grr IS a bare faced liar and has been for many many years. As indeed are you and many other Amarrian nationalists. The consequence for the habitual dishonesty of the Amarrian nationalist bloc is that its generally impossible to conduct meaningful diplomacy with you. You do not negotiate terms with a snake whose very nature is to lie and deceive. You simply step on its back and cut the head off as swiftly as possible. In conclusion Merdaneth you have made your bed. Over the years of incessant and continual lying in every discussion you have indulged in you have traded your reputation to the value of dust and ashes. Do not be surprised when you have no credit left. True Knowledge

Claudine Laurent Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2010.04.18 17:18:00 - [11] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Merdaneth Additionally, I regularly see you calling many of your opponents dishonest and liars. As recent as yesterday you called Admiral Grr a bare-faced liar. CVA pilot Grr IS a bare faced liar and has been for many many years. As indeed are you and many other Amarrian nationalists. The consequence for the habitual dishonesty of the Amarrian nationalist bloc is that its generally impossible to conduct meaningful diplomacy with you. You do not negotiate terms with a snake whose very nature is to lie and deceive. You simply step on its back and cut the head off as swiftly as possible. In conclusion Merdaneth you have made your bed. Over the years of incessant and continual lying in every discussion you have indulged in you have traded your reputation to the value of dust and ashes. Do not be surprised when you have no credit left. Can you give an example of Grrs lying? I don't really know much about Pilot Grr, but do you have any proof that she is a bare faced liar?
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.04.18 17:42:00 - [12] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 18/04/2010 17:42:39 Oh dear, we're back to Jade throwing around baseless accusations of Loyalists lying again. I guess that she must realise that she's on the wrong side of a debate. While we're on the subject of lying, let's refresh our memories of just a few of the whoppers that have come out of SF in the past. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.18 17:55:00 - [13] Originally by: Claudine Laurent Can you give an example of Grrs lying? I don't really know much about Pilot Grr, but do you have any proof that she is a bare faced liar? Grr claimed "CVA has never forced anybody to set anybody else red nor will it ever I expect." The wriggle room is in the word "forced" - the CVA do(did) require that entities gaining access to their Citadel intel channels cooperate in reporting on, engaging, and unifying standands against their political enemies. Grr will doubtless claim that this was not "forcing" because Providence pets had the right not to come into the Citadel channel - but since that was also required for pos anchoring and various access "rights" the reality is that CVA force neutrals to set red standings towards neutrals to gain access to the old providence. Grr plays a deceitful game here that illustrates the reason why the Fraction cannot trust a word spoken by Amarrian nationalists. During the Fraction's Terminus-Est campaign several alliances of "neutrals" were specifically told by the CVA that their settlement in 9UY/Providence would be disallowed if they didn't set the Fraction -10. For details (and arguments happened back then) try searching for Terminus-Est. In any case its a long established understanding that CVA are deceitful to the core and have forced the "neutrals" of Providence to adopt their standings regime and few doubt the reality of this any more. True Knowledge
Deshat Mehatek Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.18 17:59:00 - [14] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Deshat Mehatek Why not my own controversial corporation? I would think I would at least be considered for all the lies that have been spread about me. Who are you? I am Deshat Mehatek, quality provider of slaves and slave services within Imperial territories. Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Merdaneth Additionally, I regularly see you calling many of your opponents dishonest and liars. As recent as yesterday you called Admiral Grr a bare-faced liar. A lie can be defined as a situation in which one presents a statement as if it were fact, but the statement is not a fact and may be untrue or in some cases the opposite may be true. CVA pilot Grr IS a bare faced liar and has been for many many years. As indeed are you and many other Amarrian nationalists. The consequence for the habitual dishonesty of the Amarrian nationalist bloc is that its generally impossible to conduct meaningful diplomacy with you. You do not negotiate terms with a snake whose very nature is to lie and deceive. You simply step on its back and cut the head off as swiftly as possible. In conclusion Merdaneth you have made your bed. Over the years of incessant and continual lying in every discussion you have indulged in you have traded your reputation to the value of dust and ashes. Do not be surprised when you have no credit left. A lie can be defined as when one person presents at statement as fact when it is not. The statement may not be based in reality at all, or the opposite may be true. I have yet to see Grr or Merdaneth lie. If you feel there is such a case, present it. In the mean time, perhaps we should examine your own personal history of lieing? You claim to pursue an NRDS policy, then engage neutrals without warning, followed by denouncing those involved as spies without providing any evidence. You also have been spotted in the regular company of a slaveholding Sani Sabik, despite claiming to oppose slavery. How do you respond to these claims?
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.04.18 18:03:00 - [15] Edited by: Merdaneth on 18/04/2010 18:03:07 Originally by: Jade Constantine CVA pilot Grr IS a bare faced liar and has been for many many years. As indeed are you and many other Amarrian nationalists. The consequence for the habitual dishonesty of the Amarrian nationalist bloc is that its generally impossible to conduct meaningful diplomacy with you. Ms. Constantine, I am still awaiting the factual evidence of all these countless times those loyalist 'snakes' (as you call them, I was quite sure they were dogs before) broke their diplomatic agreements with Star Fraction. You keep continuing to produce opinions, but I'm quite sure most people on the IGS know your opinion about loyalists and are far more interested in the facts. Here, I'll produce one for you to show how its done: Fact: Star Fraction set three corporations to hostile without any attempt at diplomacy. I remember you setting some 50+ Amarr Militia corporations to hostile in thread similar to this one. Could you perhaps share how many of these entities you contacted diplomatically to resolve the issue before your declaration? 100%, 50%, 10% or even 0%? Such facts will no doubt do wonders in clearing up the rumored Star Fraction preference for diplomacy over coercion. Additionally, because you are not able to conduct meaningful diplomacy with Amarrian loyalists, does not mean it cannot be done. The facts indicate that Amarrian loyalists have conducted many successfull diplomatic missions over the years. These facts suggest that the problem lies within you, rather than with the Amarrian loyalists. I understand practicing diplomacy is hard with an ego as expansive as your own and a chip on your shoulder the size of a mountain range, that is perhaps why you should delegate this task to one of your many equals in the Star Fraction organization. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.18 18:04:00 - [16] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 18/04/2010 18:04:50 Originally by: Deshat Mehatek Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Deshat Mehatek Why not my own controversial corporation? I would think I would at least be considered for all the lies that have been spread about me. Who are you? I am Deshat Mehatek, quality provider of slaves and slave services within Imperial territories. Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Merdaneth Additionally, I regularly see you calling many of your opponents dishonest and liars. As recent as yesterday you called Admiral Grr a bare-faced liar. A lie can be defined as a situation in which one presents a statement as if it were fact, but the statement is not a fact and may be untrue or in some cases the opposite may be true. CVA pilot Grr IS a bare faced liar and has been for many many years. As indeed are you and many other Amarrian nationalists. The consequence for the habitual dishonesty of the Amarrian nationalist bloc is that its generally impossible to conduct meaningful diplomacy with you. You do not negotiate terms with a snake whose very nature is to lie and deceive. You simply step on its back and cut the head off as swiftly as possible. In conclusion Merdaneth you have made your bed. Over the years of incessant and continual lying in every discussion you have indulged in you have traded your reputation to the value of dust and ashes. Do not be surprised when you have no credit left. A lie can be defined as when one person presents at statement as fact when it is not. The statement may not be based in reality at all, or the opposite may be true. I have yet to see Grr or Merdaneth lie. If you feel there is such a case, present it. In the mean time, perhaps we should examine your own personal history of lieing? You claim to pursue an NRDS policy, then engage neutrals without warning, followed by denouncing those involved as spies without providing any evidence. You also have been spotted in the regular company of a slaveholding Sani Sabik, despite claiming to oppose slavery. How do you respond to these claims? How do I respond? Well, in due consideration of your IGS posting history, your associations, verbal style and the purpose of your propaganda (and indeed intervention and linkage to a discredited thread launched by another foe of the fraction) I respond by condemning you as an obvious false flag operation owned and operated by Mizhara Del'thul of Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics. You exist merely to allow Du'uma Fiisi pilot Del'thul to condemn and "heroically" oppose your imaginary deeds. I don't consider you a real entity in any shape or form. Hence taking your commentary at face value would be ridiculous. True Knowledge
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.04.18 18:14:00 - [17] Edited by: Merdaneth on 18/04/2010 18:14:46 Originally by: Jade Constantine How do I respond? Well, in due consideration of your IGS posting history, your associations, verbal style and the purpose of your propaganda (and indeed intervention and linkage to a discredited thread launched by another foe of the fraction) I respond by condemning you as an obvious false flag operation owned and operated by Mizhara Del'thul of Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics. Fact: Jade Constantine refuses to support her allegations with facts because the person asking is is suspected by her to work for another. Fact: Jade Constatine refuses to refute accusations about her own lies because the person asking is is suspected by her to work for another. It is really quite easy, ms. Constantine, to come up with facts. Practice more? ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.18 18:22:00 - [18] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 18/04/2010 18:22:31 bah slightly too early True Knowledge
Deshat Mehatek Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.18 18:45:00 - [19] Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 18/04/2010 18:04:50 Originally by: Deshat Mehatek Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Deshat Mehatek Why not my own controversial corporation? I would think I would at least be considered for all the lies that have been spread about me. Who are you? I am Deshat Mehatek, quality provider of slaves and slave services within Imperial territories. Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Merdaneth Additionally, I regularly see you calling many of your opponents dishonest and liars. As recent as yesterday you called Admiral Grr a bare-faced liar. A lie can be defined as a situation in which one presents a statement as if it were fact, but the statement is not a fact and may be untrue or in some cases the opposite may be true. CVA pilot Grr IS a bare faced liar and has been for many many years. As indeed are you and many other Amarrian nationalists. The consequence for the habitual dishonesty of the Amarrian nationalist bloc is that its generally impossible to conduct meaningful diplomacy with you. You do not negotiate terms with a snake whose very nature is to lie and deceive. You simply step on its back and cut the head off as swiftly as possible. In conclusion Merdaneth you have made your bed. Over the years of incessant and continual lying in every discussion you have indulged in you have traded your reputation to the value of dust and ashes. Do not be surprised when you have no credit left. A lie can be defined as when one person presents at statement as fact when it is not. The statement may not be based in reality at all, or the opposite may be true. I have yet to see Grr or Merdaneth lie. If you feel there is such a case, present it. In the mean time, perhaps we should examine your own personal history of lieing? You claim to pursue an NRDS policy, then engage neutrals without warning, followed by denouncing those involved as spies without providing any evidence. You also have been spotted in the regular company of a slaveholding Sani Sabik, despite claiming to oppose slavery. How do you respond to these claims? How do I respond? Well, in due consideration of your IGS posting history, your associations, verbal style and the purpose of your propaganda (and indeed intervention and linkage to a discredited thread launched by another foe of the fraction) I respond by condemning you as an obvious false flag operation owned and operated by Mizhara Del'thul of Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics. You exist merely to allow Du'uma Fiisi pilot Del'thul to condemn and "heroically" oppose your imaginary deeds. I don't consider you a real entity in any shape or form. Hence taking your commentary at face value would be ridiculous. My history here is comprised of one ill thought out ad and these statements. My associations are with Imperial loyalists. You dare accuse me associating with a terrorist? Please. Try and present some actual evidence before making wild claims, or you appear as foolish as the way you attempt to present others.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.18 18:53:00 - [20] Originally by: Deshat Mehatek You dare accuse me associating with a terrorist? And just what are you going to do about it you pathetic false-flag construct? At lease use your own name if you think to threaten me. Ridiculous creature. True Knowledge

Deshat Mehatek Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.18 19:26:00 - [21] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Deshat Mehatek You dare accuse me associating with a terrorist? And just what are you going to do about it you pathetic false-flag construct? At lease use your own name if you think to threaten me. Ridiculous creature. Can you provide any evidence of this? Any solid, conclusive facts to support your accusation?
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.04.18 19:34:00 - [22] Originally by: Deshat Mehatek Can you provide any evidence of this? Any solid, conclusive facts to support your accusation? Just the appearance of being thus is enough for the likes of the Free Captains of the Star Fraction: Originally by: Jade Constantine Lucky the Free Captains of the Star Fraction are not so knee-jerk reactionary on the issue of "appearances" then isn't it. Oh, was that an inappropriate quote? ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.18 20:08:00 - [23] Originally by: Deshat Mehatek Can you provide any evidence of this? Any solid, conclusive facts to support your accusation? Sure, the only pilot in the known universe stupid enough to support the Mizhara Del'thul post you linked too after the proof of the Misan Pal'taek corp theft ring was revealed was well ... Mizhara Del'thul. You sound the same, you look the same, you speak the same. You were obviously a little bitter at the way your accusations against Star Fraction were so comprehensively crushed in the linked thread so you felt the need to generate an alternative identity to support yourself there. This kind of thing happens amongst the bitterest denizens of the IGS all the time. My advise. Grow a backbone and take responsibility for your own reputation rather than generating new identities to play silly little false-flag operations to justify your fake matari fervour. True Knowledge
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.04.18 20:13:00 - [24] Originally by: Jade Constantine Grr claimed "CVA has never forced anybody to set anybody else red nor will it ever I expect." The wriggle room is in the word "forced" - the CVA do(did) require that entities gaining access to their Citadel intel channels cooperate in reporting on, engaging, and unifying standands against their political enemies. Grr will doubtless claim that this was not "forcing" because Providence pets had the right not to come into the Citadel channel - but since that was also required for pos anchoring and various access "rights" the reality is that CVA force neutrals to set red standings towards neutrals to gain access to the old providence. The entire thread is starting to become ancient history for me somehow in this dynamic universe we live in, and I see less need than ever to post in such historical threads, however... I think Jade well knows the reality of the CVA kos list and the real autonomy that existed within the various holders, but chooses to maintain this piece of propagander regardless. While sev3rance did maintain it's own kos list for quite some time, it simply became convenient to share the kos list with CVA as it was generally always the case that anyone on the CVA kos list was very likely to be an entity which would come to the Providence region with the intention to fire of the residents of that said area. The reverse was also true in that the kos list was never a one way street. This was a convenient and logical arragement and no amount of labeling it 'standings enclosurism' will change the fact that it was simply convenient and logical. Star Fraction will always cry foul that we fired upon them first, and they will blame the CVA for that, however the policies of Star Fraction made it inevitable we would one day cross swords regardless of the CVA. The core reason for being for Sev3rance is and has always been one of anti-piracy. The policy of Star Fraction is one of anarchy and a concept of 'free space' which translates as their ability to fly into any space and fire upon other entities flying within that space. If that space happens to be Sev3rance space where entities nuetral to Sev3rance all allowed passage, then Star Fraction would be seen as pirates. So Jade, you well know that it was inevitable that we would be at arms with or without the influence of the CVA. The CVA standing told us only what we already knew all to well. Now it is true that at times we made some compromises in our standings and ideals for the sake of peace and harmony. Star Fraction is also now finding this is also a reality of living is such space. It is strange how they still accuse us of such when they are now forced to do similar things. Welcome to reality Jade. I hope your negotiations to carve out your portion of 'free space' go well in the future.
Lord Murkon Amarr SPCS	Posted - 2010.04.18 21:25:00 - [25] The SPCS has never taken military action against the Star Fraction thus I can only conclude they are abandoning their RoE and are now exercising a NBSI method of combat against the peaceful SPCS. Given the SPCS hauls both slaves in servitude and freed slaves returning to Minmatar space it is safe to conclude any attack by Star Fraction forces on SPCS ships or stations will result in the deaths of several hundreds or thousands of Minmatar, some of them actually "free" Minmatar trying to travel to Matari space. Clearly the Star Fraction does not consider Minmatar lives worthy of saving and sees no problem with butchering helpless women and children who may be free and returning to Pator or surrounding systems. It would be worthy to note that the SPCS and many other Amarrian loyalist corporations have never advocated butchering women and children yet that now seems acceptable for the Star Fraction. While it is the hope of the SPCS that innocent Minmatar are not killed, maimed or psychologically damaged by the bully tactics of the Star Fraction it may happen. Thus we request the aid of a Minmatar corporation who will be able to accept disabled or ill Minmatar who are suffering from post-traumatic stress and other disorders following Star Fraction attacks. The Amarrian government will not provide care for these free Minmatar however the SPCS hopes a Minmatar organization will step forward to fill the need created by the brutal murderous tatics of the Star Fraction. The SPCS also concurs with the pilot Merdaneth about the following... Originally by: Merdaneth - There has been no form of diplomacy preceding the declaration, nor any form of terms offered (I could easily accept terms similar to those offered to the imperialist NBSI standings enclosurist organization known as Daisho Syndicate). Obviously the Star Fraction dictator Jade Constantine has ordered this action against the peaceful SPCS by fiat without the approval of her membership otherwise we'd have seen a vote posted here. Likewise no attempt at contact was made by the aggressor Star Fraction toward the peaceful SPCS prior to this declaration. This seems to fly in the face of previous comments by Jade Constantine the Star Fraction dictator that she always tries diplomacy first and instead reveals the anarchist Star Fraction has no problem resorting to violence, murder, extortion, theft and bullying in attempts to intimidate less powerful organizations into capitulating to her whims. The SPCS believes helping the Minmatar slaves and ex-slaves is a worthy cause. While the issue of slavery is a "hot-topic" for debate the SPCS believes without it's services slavery would be a much worse existence in the Amarr empire. As we do not have the authority to ban slavery (only the Empress does) we operate within it's constraints. It is entirely possible that the SPCS could be destroyed by the Star Fraction. This would have the following effects. 1. No inspection of facilities holding slaves. 2. No certification standards to offer owners guaranteeing slaves are well treated. 3. No suitable introduction to the empire, healthcare and education for newly arrived slaves. 4. No safe travel to Matari space for freed slaves. In other words the Star Fractions actions will make slavery MORE PREVELANT and MORE OPPRESSIVE for the Minmatar in addition to KILLING FREED SLAVES, WOMEN AND CHILDREN who may be traveling back to Matari space. The SPCS has no military force thus we are unable to defend ourselves against these bullies. We serve God and the Minmatar and we will not be discouraged from our sacred mission by a bunch of violent prone egotistical bullies who hypocritically violate their own RoE and "diplomatic" procedures. The SPCS will continue to do it's work for God, Empire and the Minmatar we so care about. Lord Murkon SPCS CEO SPCS - Serving the pathetic Minmatar and lessor races by the grace of God
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.18 21:29:00 - [26] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 18/04/2010 21:35:39 Your bleating is music to my ears nationalist worm. For years you have supported the regressive regime in Amarr Prime and Providence, you are an insult to the eyes of freedom in New Eden and in time your holdings and possessions in space will burn. True Knowledge
Lord Murkon Amarr SPCS	Posted - 2010.04.18 22:27:00 - [27] Originally by: Jade Constantine Your bleating is music to my ears nationalist worm. For years you have supported the regressive regime in Amarr Prime and Providence, you are an insult to the eyes of freedom in New Eden and in time your holdings and possessions in space will burn. Your rejoicing over the thought of slaughtering innocent men, women and children is about what I'd expect from a violence prone anarchist. I'm sure your Minmatar "allies" will also sing your praises when thousands of their freed kin are left floating in space as their safe ride home is shot out from underneath them by Star Fraction aggressors. You have stated in the past the only way to become KOS to the Star Fraction is to aggress your ships. Obviously you were being less than truthful in that regard. Clearly justfication for your NRDS/NBSI philosophy is whatever turns you on at the moment. Perhaps you have attended one to many gladiator matches hosted by your partner and now view slaves as less than human and unworthy of humane treatment. Whatever the reason be assured anarchist the SPCS will continue to provide humane care to slaves and freed Minmatar and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. Destroy one of our ships and two more will arrive the next day. Your desire to turn Eve into a giant killing field is obvious now as is your distain for the Minmatar race. Be assured the SPCS will not abandon the Minmatar who need us. Lord Murkon SPCS CEO SPCS - Serving the pathetic Minmatar and lessor races by the grace of God
Darveses DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.18 22:57:00 - [28] You are a slaver, Murkon. No amount of shimmering rules how to properly keep your humans is ever going to change that. Slavers are not neutral to the Star Fraction. --- Star Fraction Public - The new Channel
Silas Vitalia Khanid Provincial Vanguard	Posted - 2010.04.18 23:03:00 - [29] The complaints of several here are quite embarrassing to hear as a True Amarr, specifically Lord Murkon and Merdaneth. Since when has a capsuleer organization ever needed to explain or justify the setting of its own standings towards other groups? The incessant whining of my fellow Amarrians here has done nothing but bring shame upon themselves. Why should you even remotely care what the Anarchists and Godless think of you, or why they think it? Those silly details are completely irrelevant. This sort of whining makes me wonder if you want to be their friends? The entire conversation is rediculous. Being set to negative by them should be the obvious and -default- response, and one that you should expect and be proud of. Whining over the specifics or reasoning of such decisions to try and point out inconsistencies in their public policy is beneath you both. Grow some backbone and start acting like the proud people you should be. Shameful. Silas Vitalia CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard Open for Recruitment!
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.04.19 01:19:00 - [30] Originally by: Jade Constantine How do I respond? Well, in due consideration of your IGS posting history, your associations, verbal style and the purpose of your propaganda (and indeed intervention and linkage to a discredited thread launched by another foe of the fraction) I respond by condemning you as an obvious false flag operation owned and operated by Mizhara Del'thul of Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics. You exist merely to allow Du'uma Fiisi pilot Del'thul to condemn and "heroically" oppose your imaginary deeds. First you compare me to Archbishop and call us enemies. Now you accuse us of running our own slave auction. You may consider this notice of hostile standings effective immediately. Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting

Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.19 01:39:00 - [31] Originally by: Havohej First you compare me to Archbishop and call us enemies. Now you accuse us of running our own slave auction. You may consider this notice of hostile standings effective immediately. Well you are similar to Archbishop in many ways. Notice received and recipricated. Confirming the slaver collaborators of Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics are -10 to the Star Fraction with immediate effect matching your own standings to us. True Knowledge
Esna Pitoojee Amarr Order of the Golden Lobster	Posted - 2010.04.19 01:42:00 - [32] Originally by: Darveses Slavers are not neutral to the Star Fraction. I am. ---------------------------------------------- Say "Amarr ships suk, lol." I dare you. My statments do not represent the opinions, views, or actions of my corp.
Mizhara Del'thul Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.04.19 04:15:00 - [33] ... and you actually have the gall to call others liars, spinners or propaganda spewers? I spend two weeks planetbound, and this is what I return to? You've finally gone off the deep end, Constantine. You've passed the point of public speaker and gone straight into the role of raving lunatic, crying out accusations and conspiracy theories to the annoyance and amusement of the passersby. I would recommend getting a better intelligence service. If that's the best you can do, Star Fraction's doomed to fall under the weight of utterly incompetent and insane leadership. But very well... if Star Fraction has been deluded into thinking I employ slaver mouthpieces, then come for me. I will be here... waiting to see the hypocrisy of Star Fraction displayed so thoroughly when you strike at those who fight against your proclaimed enemies. Disappointing, Constantine... very disappointing. She actually looks coldly amused at this little proof that Star Fraction's leadership has almost no grasp on reality.
Zuzanna Alondra Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.04.19 05:24:00 - [34] Edited by: Zuzanna Alondra on 19/04/2010 05:24:03 Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Jade Constantine How do I respond? Well, in due consideration of your IGS posting history, your associations, verbal style and the purpose of your propaganda (and indeed intervention and linkage to a discredited thread launched by another foe of the fraction) I respond by condemning you as an obvious false flag operation owned and operated by Mizhara Del'thul of Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics. You exist merely to allow Du'uma Fiisi pilot Del'thul to condemn and "heroically" oppose your imaginary deeds. First you compare me to Archbishop and call us enemies. Now you accuse us of running our own slave auction. You may consider this notice of hostile standings effective immediately. Jade - I can't believe this. I really thought we left SF on good terms, last I checked half of the people I com on a regular basis and keep touch with are members of Star Fraction. Seems a very sad day when folks who should be friends and working together are hunting one another. I would hope the rest of the Fraction knows us better then that, but 'tis the path you have chosen for the rest of them. Hopefully not too many of them are bitter with you for it. Originally by: Esna Pitoojee Originally by: Darveses Slavers are not neutral to the Star Fraction. I am. You know what - I'm tired of being nice. Be neutral with Jade if you wish, furthers my thoughts about her, but if Havohej hasn't beat me to it - I'd stay far away from my turrets. Once again - very much a shame, you know what your doing is wrong and in a better world we would of still be friends. Perhaps one day you'll learn.
Shirley Serious Amarr The Khanid Sisters of Athra	Posted - 2010.04.19 05:26:00 - [35] Originally by: Darveses Slavers are not neutral to the Star Fraction. This is true. Revan is blue. Yes. Yes, I am.
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.04.19 05:30:00 - [36] Originally by: Zuzanna Alondra Originally by: Esna Pitoojee Originally by: Darveses Slavers are not neutral to the Star Fraction. I am. You know what - I'm tired of being nice. Be neutral with Jade if you wish, furthers my thoughts about her, but if Havohej hasn't beat me to it - I'd stay far away from my turrets. Once again - very much a shame, you know what your doing is wrong and in a better world we would of still be friends. Perhaps one day you'll learn. It's about time you stopped waiting for slavers to redeem themselves on their own. Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting
Esna Pitoojee Amarr Order of the Golden Lobster	Posted - 2010.04.19 05:33:00 - [37] Edited by: Esna Pitoojee on 19/04/2010 05:34:54 Originally by: Zuzanna Alondra Edited by: Zuzanna Alondra on 19/04/2010 05:24:03 Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Jade Constantine How do I respond? Well, in due consideration of your IGS posting history, your associations, verbal style and the purpose of your propaganda (and indeed intervention and linkage to a discredited thread launched by another foe of the fraction) I respond by condemning you as an obvious false flag operation owned and operated by Mizhara Del'thul of Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics. You exist merely to allow Du'uma Fiisi pilot Del'thul to condemn and "heroically" oppose your imaginary deeds. First you compare me to Archbishop and call us enemies. Now you accuse us of running our own slave auction. You may consider this notice of hostile standings effective immediately. Jade - I can't believe this. I really thought we left SF on good terms, last I checked half of the people I com on a regular basis and keep touch with are members of Star Fraction. Seems a very sad day when folks who should be friends and working together are hunting one another. I would hope the rest of the Fraction knows us better then that, but 'tis the path you have chosen for the rest of them. Hopefully not too many of them are bitter with you for it. Originally by: Esna Pitoojee Originally by: Darveses Slavers are not neutral to the Star Fraction. I am. You know what - I'm tired of being nice. Be neutral with Jade if you wish, furthers my thoughts about her, but if Havohej hasn't beat me to it - I'd stay far away from my turrets. Once again - very much a shame, you know what your doing is wrong and in a better world we would of still be friends. Perhaps one day you'll learn. Evidently the sarcasm in my response was missed. "Neutral" is hardly how I'd describe it. ---------------------------------------------- Say "Amarr ships suk, lol." I dare you. My statments do not represent the opinions, views, or actions of my corp.
Mazca Lopez Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.19 06:34:00 - [38] Originally by: Zuzanna Alondra I would hope the rest of the Fraction knows us better then that, but 'tis the path you have chosen for the rest of them. Hopefully not too many of them are bitter with you for it. In case you havent noticed dear Zuzanna, it is the emotions of your, not so thick skinned, executor that has brought hostile standings to the table.
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.19 07:04:00 - [39] Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 19/04/2010 07:11:28 Originally by: Shirley Serious Originally by: Darveses Slavers are not neutral to the Star Fraction. This is true. Revan is blue. you obviously don't pay attention, or am I still an Ammatar Slave then? keep up, dear. Originally by: Havohej You may consider this notice of hostile standings effective immediately. tomahawk pauses and blinks. he reads again, tilting his head slightly with a confused frown what a stupid waste of resources. Crew, Hulls, Time and bullets that could be shot at real enemies will now be wasted in the debris fields of this responce. Originally by: Mizhara Del'thul then come for me. I will be here... waiting to see the hypocrisy of Star Fraction displayed so thoroughly when you strike at those who fight against your proclaimed enemies. little cousin, you set us red. You were not set red for that little trash propaganda you posted here not so long ago. Do not make pretence to your besmirched virginity. Now since I have long been Du'uma Fiisi's most stalwart supporter to the Star Fraction, it is only right this new Kill On Site farce start with me. You know where to find me, if you dare? Or is your contribution limited to bitter threads where you stupidly support protection from bullets for corp thieves while trying to dictate to SF how to run its own RoE? I've seem Du'uma Fiisi fight, i've flow with them even after they left Star Fraction and I did not see you. Shut your trap and open your gunports. ******************************** www.eve-chatsubo.com A long term Role-Play, Fiction and EVE storyline community.
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.04.19 07:27:00 - [40] Originally by: Mazca Lopez In case you havent noticed dear Zuzanna, it is the emotions of your, not so thick skinned, executor that has brought hostile standings to the table. If I weren't thick-skinned, I would've declared you all targets after this incident of your beloved leader running her mouth off. I don't know how much you expect us to listen to and still maintain an amicable disposition toward your alliance, but I know how much we were willing to. Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss what a stupid waste of resources. Crew, Hulls, Time and bullets that could be shot at real enemies will now be wasted in the debris fields of this responce. Your leader has been treating us like real enemies since we left your alliance. Now it's formal. Backstage OOC Forum @EVE-Inspiracy.com

Mizhara Del'thul Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.04.19 07:32:00 - [41] Bliss, baby, I've set no one red. However, Star Fraction deciding to call Du'uma Fiisi... more specifically me... a slaver. Well, that's an insult far beyond any my real enemies have ever thrown towards me or any other Matari. That was a declaration of war. It was hostility at a level that Constantine showing up herself firing upon our forces wouldn't match. Do you have even the slightest grasp of what that insult means? You proclaim to have been a Du'uma Fiisi supporter in Star Fraction, and yet there's been nothing but lies and insults leveled at Du'uma Fiisi from that direction since I first became aware of them. Your 'support' has apparently amounted to nothing, wouldn't you agree? Star Fractions lies, baseless slander and accusations along with the pathetic spins and arrogance... it's too much. Do you truly not see how you foster hatred and enemies even amongst those who would be your friends and allies? All due to the despicable lies and vile speculation presented as 'fact'. Call it a stupid waste of resources if you wish. Some insults are simply beyond tolerating.
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.19 08:05:00 - [42] *ChipMo bursts into laughter ..silly move there havo, lets see if you can back it up in space.
Mazca Lopez Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.19 08:15:00 - [43] Originally by: Havohej If I weren't thick-skinned, I would've declared you all targets after this incident of your beloved leader running her mouth off. Your little protege made an attempt to undermine the most core principle of SF, what did you expect in return? roses!
Tetseptus Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.19 12:34:00 - [44] Havohej, I knew one day you would be red to us. Your own hot temper has brought us to this point, and it was your own hot temper that gave me that insight so long ago too. And do not pretend that you have not been waiting for the excuse to fire on us for just as long. Your thinly-veiled and presumptuous disapproval has been clear throughout. Tetseptus, Vherokior Fighter 2nd Generation Free-Born
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.04.19 12:53:00 - [45] Edited by: Archbishop on 19/04/2010 12:53:50 Originally by: Shirley Serious Originally by: Darveses Slavers are not neutral to the Star Fraction. This is true. Revan is blue. This would imply the Star Fraction is a bunch of double standard hypocrites not a valiant force fighting for freedom... But wait, they've already said they don't fight for others and have never claimed to thus they obviously wouldn't fight for slaves as those slaves could fight for themselves if they wanted to be free. Obviously the Star Fraction has proved once again they are violent anarchists who seek combat and conflict and have NO GREATER CAUSE like free space, freeing slaves or anything else they claim to want to project. Here again we see the Star Fracion modify one of their ever flexible "rules" in this case setting corporations that have fired upon them -10. As we see here obviously they were lying about that as many of these other corporations including the SPCS have never taken action against them. Another trend we see played out here is the Star Fraction attempting to stifle free speech by threatening anyone who dares question them. Far from the virtuous "free space seekers" they've tried to claim to be they obviously are instead bullies, no different then pirates, who seek to stifle any public dissent with the threat of the Star Fraction war machine. Hypocrites = CHECK Violent = CHECK Lying = CHECK Double Standards = CHECK Oppressors of Free Speech = CHECK Perhaps the anarchist Darveses would like to comment on these observations and explain them in the fact of such obvious exposed contradictions. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.19 13:18:00 - [46] There is nothing new in the Star Fraction setting active supporters of the empires we oppose to -10 with notice on a political basis. We have done it before, I dare say we shall do it in the future. One of the more recent times I explained this was a year ago. It wasn't news then and it isn't news now. Originally by: "The Cosmopolite, YC111.05.03" If people take hostile action against us, they can expect violence. If people are active in the militias of the empires that we are actively opposing, they may expect violent opposition but we will always give them notice assuming they have not aggressed us. If people actively support the military adventures or expansionist policies of the empires we oppose then they may also expect violent opposition, but again we will give notice if they have not already aggressed us. All the corporations set to -10 with notice in this thread qualify on the above basis. Nothing new here. The attempt by Archbishop to portray this as a change to longstanding Star Fraction policy is simply nonsensical. It is not true in any respect. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Lord Murkon Amarr SPCS	Posted - 2010.04.19 13:30:00 - [47] Originally by: "The Cosmopolite, YC111.05.03" If people take hostile action against us, they can expect violence. If people are active in the militias of the empires that we are actively opposing, they may expect violent opposition but we will always give them notice assuming they have not aggressed us. If people actively support the military adventures or expansionist policies of the empires we oppose then they may also expect violent opposition, but again we will give notice if they have not already aggressed us. Please provide evidence proving the SPCS has: 1. Taken hostile action against you. 2. Been active in the Amarr militia. 3. Supported military adventures or expansionist policies. Just as a reminder the SPCS has one purpose and one purpose only that being the care and training of Minmatar slaves. While we pledge obedience to God and the Empress we are decidedly non-military and non-political. Thus to clarify. 1. We have never taken hostile action against you. 2. We have never been a part of the Amarr militia. 3. We have never participated in military adventures or expansionist policies. Lord Murkon SPCS - Serving the pathetic Minmatar and lessor races by the grace of God
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.19 13:38:00 - [48] You qualify on the third ground as you actively support the expansionist policies of the Amarr Empire and have provided logistical and infrastructural support for this policy by your placing of 'slave-processing' starbases throughout the cluster. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Lord Murkon Amarr SPCS	Posted - 2010.04.19 13:49:00 - [49] Originally by: The Cosmopolite You qualify on the third ground as you actively support the expansionist policies of the Amarr Empire and have provided logistical and infrastructural support for this policy by your placing of 'slave-processing' starbases throughout the cluster. The Cosmopolite Explain how deploying a Slave Processing Facility is supporting expansionism. Is it not true ships have the capability of flying from Rens to Amarr without refueling? Thus one can conclude the only service we provide is offering care, treatment and processing for new slaves and former slaves who are leaving the empire. While this is "slave logistics" it is not "logistics supporting expansionism". Lord Murkon SPCS - Serving the pathetic Minmatar and lessor races by the grace of God
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.19 13:57:00 - [50] Listen to me, Murkon, it is quite simple: you're a slaver and an active supporter of the expansionist policies of the Amarr Empire. You deploy facilities for the express purpose of actively supporting the policies of the Amarr Empire in space. You are our enemy. We have given you the requisite notice under our longstanding policy. I suggest you stop complaining about it because, as has been pointed out by others aligned with the Amarr Empire, it is rather pathethic. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal

Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.04.19 14:15:00 - [51] Cosmopolite, You continue to bark up the wrong tree. Lord Murkon (and myself) are not complaining about that we are your enemy. We are complaining about the manner in which you declare your enemies. Because the way you do so in practice doesn't conform to the way you say you declare enemies. Simply put, Star Fraction continually tries to claim some kind of moral high ground by formulating all kinds of abstract rules and principles violation of which would make one SF's enemy. The problem is, that at the end of the day all those vaunted principles boil down to 'if we don't like you, we declare you hostile', and 'if we don't like you, we won't even offer a diplomatic solution'. Just leave out all that nonsense about 'logistics support for the expansion of the Empire' and all those other principles and rules you don't really stand for. Be honest and clear for once. That way you don't have to twist and contort each time someone points out a contradiction and your CEO can just continue dating a mass-murdering slaver without having to come up with artificial 'public/private' distinctions and the like. By now the list of Star Fraction exceptions, escape-clauses, contradictory rulings and assorted odd arguments are longer than the complete Amarrian scriptures. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.19 14:26:00 - [52] Actually, Merdaneth, it is the rather pathetic attempts by enemies of freedom to wriggle out of the consequences of their actions that now rival the Amarrian scriptures for both length and convolutions. We in the Star Fraction are simply applying some very simple and basic principles that anyone not intent on misdirection can understand quite clearly. Let me repeat them again: Originally by: "The Cosmopolite If people take hostile action against us, they can expect violence. If people are active in the militias of the empires that we are actively opposing, they may expect violent opposition but we will always give them notice assuming they have not aggressed us. If people actively support the military adventures or expansionist policies of the empires we oppose then they may also expect violent opposition, but again we will give notice if they have not already aggressed us. Perhaps grab a hold of your dignity and cease your bleatings now? The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Lord Murkon Amarr SPCS	Posted - 2010.04.19 14:35:00 - [53] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Listen to me, Murkon, it is quite simple: you're a slaver and an active supporter of the expansionist policies of the Amarr Empire. You deploy facilities for the express purpose of actively supporting the policies of the Amarr Empire in space. You are our enemy. We have given you the requisite notice under our longstanding policy. I suggest you stop complaining about it because, as has been pointed out by others aligned with the Amarr Empire, it is rather pathethic. The Cosmopolite If I buy something in an Amarrian station or any other empires stations I'm paying taxes to the Amarr government thus I am supporting them. If I refrain from shooting someone who is -10 in empire space in the abscence of a war declaration because of Concord or Navy intervention I am thus supporting their policies and they are dictating my actions. I would have to say anyone in the Eve cluster is guilty of these two things (including yourself). This means any pilot in Eve is a potential target for the Star Fraction as they exercise their "Focus on Violence" ethos. Obviously no one is "free" in a universe with such people running loose. Rest assured the SPCS will not be detered from it's mission by a few pirates with a fancy vocabulary. We are dedicated to helping the Minmatar and we will continue to do so. Starting with the upcoming deployment of our newest slave processing center and other initiatives in the pipeline we will continue our aggressive efforts to improve the lives of slaves and freed slaves. Given the Star Fraction has declined to declare war on the SPCS and the fact we mostly operate in high-security space I have to believe this entire thread is just another vain attempt by the Star Fraction to garner some PR whereever they can. If every corporation in Eve changed standings by press release these boards would be very crowded indeed. Fortunately the other 99.9% of Eve corporations aren't afflicted with their ego. Lord Murkon SPCS CEO Lord Murkon SPCS - Serving the pathetic Minmatar and lessor races by the grace of God
Tetseptus Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.19 14:36:00 - [54] ...And surely it is worthy of note that Star Fraction changed standings in response to standings being made red to Star Fraction. Tetseptus, Vherokior Fighter 2nd Generation Free-Born
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.04.19 14:47:00 - [55] Originally by: Tetseptus ...And surely it is worthy of note that Star Fraction changed standings in response to standings being made red to Star Fraction. Indeed. However note that Angel Wing has not and will not set Star Fraction to red in response to being declared hostile by Star Fraction itself. I will contact Star Fraction members privately to explain these reasons, as is customary and proper with diplomacy. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Darveses DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.19 14:49:00 - [56] Originally by: Archbishop Edited by: Archbishop on 19/04/2010 12:53:50 Originally by: Shirley Serious Originally by: Darveses Slavers are not neutral to the Star Fraction. This is true. Revan is blue. This would imply the Star Fraction is a bunch of double standard hypocrites not a valiant force fighting for freedom... But wait, they've already said they don't fight for others and have never claimed to thus they obviously wouldn't fight for slaves as those slaves could fight for themselves if they wanted to be free. Obviously the Star Fraction has proved once again they are violent anarchists who seek combat and conflict and have NO GREATER CAUSE like free space, freeing slaves or anything else they claim to want to project. Here again we see the Star Fracion modify one of their ever flexible "rules" in this case setting corporations that have fired upon them -10. As we see here obviously they were lying about that as many of these other corporations including the SPCS have never taken action against them. Another trend we see played out here is the Star Fraction attempting to stifle free speech by threatening anyone who dares question them. Far from the virtuous "free space seekers" they've tried to claim to be they obviously are instead bullies, no different then pirates, who seek to stifle any public dissent with the threat of the Star Fraction war machine. Hypocrites = CHECK Violent = CHECK Lying = CHECK Double Standards = CHECK Oppressors of Free Speech = CHECK Perhaps the anarchist Darveses would like to comment on these observations and explain them in the fact of such obvious exposed contradictions. Archbishop Even if slavers aren't set red by us, they're still slavers and therefore qualify as political enemies of the Star Fraction. Period. Did we set 50 Amarr Militia corporations red because they all fired upon us? No, because they are political enemies. Not that hard to understand, is it? As for DFIAS...well, at least now you can stop fighting your anonymous war against us with agents, mouthpieces and subtle backstabs on the IGS, and actually use your guns for it. --- Star Fraction Public - The new Channel
Mazca Lopez Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.19 14:57:00 - [57] An d being a payed legitimacy front of praetorian shipyard, governed by PIE leaders and other expantionist s****makes your statment rather moot. It would seem from above link that Archie even has to approve your writings and by 'accident' signs them himself sometimes.
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.04.19 15:19:00 - [58] Originally by: Tetseptus Your thinly-veiled and presumptuous disapproval has been clear throughout. Presumptuous is the definition of Jericho Fraction, you lackey. I've never once seen you express an opinion that more forceful personalities in your corporation didn't give you and I doubt I ever will. You're barely even a Minmatar. Out of all of them, you disgusted me the most. Originally by: Mazca Lopez Your little protege made an attempt to undermine the most core principle of SF, what did you expect in return? roses! It appeared those principles had changed. When The Cosmopolite demonstrated that they hadn't, we expressed our disappointment, acknowledged it (while giving our endorsement of the NBSI RoE and a brief explanation of why we believed -SF- really should reconsider it) and moved on. Your Great Leader chose to call us enemies well after that took place. Since we knew the truth of it and since -SF- was shooting at people we hated (rather than merely disliked), we let it go. Now, thanks to Ushra'Khan and Against ALL Authorities, the old Providence has been crushed. We have no more reason, no more desire, and no more patience to ignore the incessant, asinine ramblings of your Great Leader. Originally by: Darveses As for DFIAS...well, at least now you can stop fighting your anonymous war against us with agents, mouthpieces and subtle backstabs on the IGS, and actually use your guns for it. I expect JERIC pilots to believe everything their Great Leader tells them, but my estimation of DX4 was quite a bit higher. As I told your CEO, when Jade apologizes for the constant nonsense, we'll reset our standings to -SF-. You can bloc-post with JERIC and create animosity between our corporations if you choose, but I urge you to look at the foolishness you're defending and decide whether you want to paint yourself and your comrades with that same brush. You don't have to like us shooting at each other; I'd prefer not to shoot at DX4, LYRUS or SIF... unfortunately, New Eden doesn't work that way. Backstage OOC Forum @EVE-Inspiracy.com
Tetseptus Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.19 15:49:00 - [59] Originally by: Havohej ...you lackey. I've never once seen you express an opinion that more forceful personalities in your corporation didn't give you and I doubt I ever will. You're barely even a Minmatar. Out of all of them, you disgusted me the most. And why is that, Havohej? Clarify your position and show your true colours. What is it about me specifically that you despise so? Or is this just posturing and noise like the other venom you have issued forth? Tetseptus, Vherokior Fighter 2nd Generation Free-Born
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.19 15:56:00 - [60] Originally by: Havohej Presumptuous is the definition of Jericho Fraction, you lackey. I've never once seen you express an opinion that more forceful personalities in your corporation didn't give you and I doubt I ever will. You're barely even a Minmatar. Out of all of them, you disgusted me the most. No surprise since Tetseptus is everything you are not. Brave, capable, idealistic and committed to the cause of freedom. You on the other hand are pathetic gutless paranoid-obsessive incapable of any kind of enduring support for free expression and open political views. The moment you realized that you couldn't bully your way to dominance inside the Fraction you left to become the top rooster on your own steeple and that would be fine, but you felt the need to allow your corporation members to make ridiculous accusations against the Fraction in this summit and engage in very shady occupations. Quote: It appeared those principles had changed. When The Cosmopolite demonstrated that they hadn't, we expressed our disappointment, acknowledged it I'll quote your acknowledgement from that thread. (source) Quote: Originally by: Havohej I do not acknowledge a mistake was made and I do not withdraw a single word DF1AS Pilots spoke. In other worlds you had Mizhara post her poisonous lies and then you uphold them all, refusing to withdraw "a single word." Congratulations for becoming a liar of the Archbishop level. Quote: As I told your CEO, when Jade apologizes for the constant nonsense, we'll reset our standings to -SF-. See you in hell. You may get a reset of standings when you publish a full apology and withdrawl of all material posted by Mizhara on this summit telling lies about the Fraction alongside a frank admission of your own failings as a leader and diplomat for your tawdry little band of coffee-shop fake-fighting-amarrian collaborators. Quote: You don't have to like us shooting at each other; I'd prefer not to shoot at DX4, LYRUS or SIF... unfortunately, New Eden doesn't work that way. I'm sure you'd prefer to shoot at Jericho Fraction alone or lets go one better. I challenge you a duel you honourless dog. You and me, battleships of choice. No restrictions on fitting or equipment. We will warp 100 above the space and freedom tower in Kamela and fight till only one of us is left. Anyone who warps out is a gutless swine. This will be a fight to the death. The loser will leave the capsule on the field to be executed by the winner. I stand by everything I have said about you Havohej. Let us see if you have the courage to fight half as well as you cough out barely coherent accusations and mealy-mouthed excuses for your puling subordinates. I slap you round the face and say that your ancestors are embarrassed by the worm you have become. Fight or be known a coward hereafter. True Knowledge

Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.04.19 16:05:00 - [61] Originally by: Tetseptus Originally by: Havohej ...you lackey. I've never once seen you express an opinion that more forceful personalities in your corporation didn't give you and I doubt I ever will. You're barely even a Minmatar. Out of all of them, you disgusted me the most. And why is that, Havohej? Clarify your position and show your true colours. What is it about me specifically that you despise so? Or is this just posturing and noise like the other venom you have issued forth? The reason is in the text you quoted. Jade, I skimmed your post and didn't see the word 'apologize', so I'm not going to bother reading it. Backstage OOC Forum @EVE-Inspiracy.com
Darveses DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.19 16:05:00 - [62] Originally by: Havohej I expect JERIC pilots to believe everything their Great Leader tells them, but my estimation of DX4 was quite a bit higher. As I told your CEO, when Jade apologizes for the constant nonsense, we'll reset our standings to -SF-. You can bloc-post with JERIC and create animosity between our corporations if you choose, but I urge you to look at the foolishness you're defending and decide whether you want to paint yourself and your comrades with that same brush. You don't have to like us shooting at each other; I'd prefer not to shoot at DX4, LYRUS or SIF... unfortunately, New Eden doesn't work that way. Animosity? More than what was achieved by your IGS backstabs, you setting us red and now your attempt to drive a wedge between JF and the rest of SF? No Havo, as sad as this may be, you've made your choice. We'll see how you'll do backing it up. --- Star Fraction Public - The new Channel
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.19 16:07:00 - [63] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/04/2010 16:07:28 Originally by: Havohej Jade, I skimmed your post and didn't see the word 'apologize', so I'm not going to bother reading it. I guess you missed the challenge to a duel you gutless swine. Wriggle out and slink away like a worm crawling under a stone. It is your level. You are an embarrassment to the Matari people. True Knowledge
Mazca Lopez Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.19 16:13:00 - [64] Originally by: Havohej It appeared those principles had changed. When The Cosmopolite demonstrated that they hadn't, we expressed our disappointment, acknowledged it (while giving our endorsement of the NBSI RoE and a brief explanation of why we believed -SF- really should reconsider it) and moved on. Your Great Leader chose to call us enemies well after that took place. You took it uppon yourself to be offended by words directed at Mizhara. Now as then. You officially left Star Fraction for fictitious reasons, and you are now orchestrating mutual hostility because of hurt feelings. Your ego must really have taken a beating during your time in SF not being able to dictate as you so please.
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.04.19 16:13:00 - [65] Originally by: Jade Constantine I guess you missed the challenge to a duel you gutless swine. Wriggle out and slink away like a worm crawling under a stone. It is your level. You are an embarrassment to the Matari people. You claim respect for the Minmatar people and passion for freedom, and then lay with slavers. You knowingly and willfully spout baseless lies anywhere you can find an audience. You have no honor. Killing one of your clones wouldn't shut you or your lackeys up; a duel with you would be patently worthless. More worthless, in fact, than continuing to engage in IGS slap fights with you. Henceforth, I will acknowledge no communication from Jade Constantine unless it comes in the form of an EVE-Mail containing a link to a sincere and formal apology posted to the IGS. Backstage OOC Forum @EVE-Inspiracy.com
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.19 16:16:00 - [66] Originally by: Havohej More worthless, in fact, than continuing to engage in IGS slap fights with you. Henceforth, I will acknowledge no communication from Jade Constantine unless it comes in the form of an EVE-Mail containing a link to a sincere and formal apology posted to the IGS. Run away dog. You are worthless. I spit on you and imagine the IGS public will mark well the broad yellow stripe painted along your backbone. Go back to your slaver-agents and enjoy make-belief "rescues" to coddle your ego while the true revolution goes forward on the frontier. True Knowledge
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.19 18:35:00 - [67] Mizarah Del'Thule you are a disgrace to your people and an affront before the spirits of the ancestors. I make to you a challenge of honor. You and me, duel to the death. You bring your Battleship of choice and i'll bring mine. We will fight with real risk and let the ancestors sort who is the righteous warrior and who is the craven lickspittle. ******************************** www.eve-chatsubo.com A long term Role-Play, Fiction and EVE storyline community.
Mizhara Del'thul Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.04.19 18:51:00 - [68] laughs delighedly, throwing her head back in glee Bliss, baby... I'm no warrior. I don't even fly Battleships. Duels are for fools and idiots, dear. But certainly... show up with your Battleship of choice. I might show up if there's enough comrades nearby to overwhelm the amount of ISK you've stuffed onto whichever ship you're flying. Duels.. hah. 'Fair fights'... Only warriors with their foolish concept of honor would think of such a concept. There's no such thing as a fair fight... there's a fight, and the winner is the one who cheats. 'Honor'... is heard laughing until the video feed is cut off, showing the Horned Mask symbol briefly
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.04.19 18:56:00 - [69] Originally by: Havohej You claim respect for the Minmatar people and passion for freedom, and then lay with slavers. Really now? I can swear IGS never heard this argument before. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik ôThe Abyss of Hallucinations has Law and Reason; but in Truth there is no bond between the Toys of the Gods.ö
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.19 19:50:00 - [70] Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Havohej You claim respect for the Minmatar people and passion for freedom, and then lay with slavers. Really now? I can swear IGS never heard this argument before. Lay, dance, stroke, caress, canoodle, strenuously dandle, conjugate, nuzzle, clinch and nestle fondling trysts in the nookling entreaties of rapture too no doubt! But didn't you hear Havohej? Way back at the battle of space and freedom II and its aftermath my sweet Blood Heretic lover was foreswearing slavery and freeing her captives. Perhaps you might have become a little confused in all the slavery-rings your own corporation have become involved in since. Something tells me you stared into that abyss a little bit too long and became addicted to what you previously despised. True Knowledge

Lord Murkon Amarr SPCS	Posted - 2010.04.19 22:27:00 - [71] Originally by: Mazca Lopez And being a payed legitimacy front of praetorian shipyard, governed by PIE leaders and other expantionist dirt makes your statment rather moot Murkon. It would seem from above link that Archie even has to approve your writings and by 'accident' signs them himself sometimes. The SPCS accepts charitable donations from several sources. Being a not-for-profit organization dedicated to helping the Minmatar reach a certain level of humane treatment as slaves our mission is far and wide. As for Archbishop he is our SPCS Director and Chairman. I will note for your information to correct your error above that the SPCS existed long before Praetoria Shipyards went into operation and was in fact headed by Jim Hawkins at one point before Archbishop held the reigns. As Archbishop is our Director he often issues press releases for the SPCS which I forward on to publically post. When he does this it is common to either reference it or to use his name as the official signature. Perhaps you can explain how being a not-for-profit charity and accepting financial and other gifts from various groups makes us somehow "advocates of expantionist tactics of the Amarr Empire"? Lord Murkon SPCS - Serving the pathetic Minmatar and lessor races by the grace of God
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.19 23:05:00 - [72] Originally by: Lord Murkon Perhaps you can explain how being a not-for-profit charity and accepting financial and other gifts from various groups makes us somehow "advocates of expantionist tactics of the Amarr Empire"? We'll be glad to explain through the medium of high velocity blaster rounds, battleship grade autocannon shells and mega-yield pulses of coherent light. Seriously, you puling Amarrian Nationalist dogs have convinced yourselves that your pitiful evasions and verbal manipulations on the IGS will somehow provide you with cover from your enemies. It won't. But do stop begging. It is really quite embarrassing to witness. True Knowledge
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.19 23:15:00 - [73] Originally by: Mizhara Del'thul I might show up if there's enough comrades nearby to overwhelm à whichever ship you're flying. Only warriors with their foolish concept of honor à ...the winner is the one who cheats. Crawl on your belly, Wormtongue. ******************************** www.eve-chatsubo.com A long term Role-Play, Fiction and EVE storyline community.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.04.19 23:21:00 - [74] Originally by: Jade Constantine Lay, dance, stroke, caress, canoodle, strenuously dandle, conjugate, nuzzle, clinch and nestle fondling trysts in the nookling entreaties of rapture too no doubt! The list goes on... poor mortals if they only knew. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik ôThe Abyss of Hallucinations has Law and Reason; but in Truth there is no bond between the Toys of the Gods.ö
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.19 23:24:00 - [75] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss Originally by: Mizhara Del'thul I might show up if there's enough comrades nearby to overwhelm à whichever ship you're flying. Only warriors with their foolish concept of honor à ...the winner is the one who cheats. Crawl on your belly, Wormtongue. What surprises me is this creature boasts of her perfidy and desire to "cheat" in duels and space combat and then expects the summit to believe that she wasn't involved in a false-flag operation involving a fake slave-trader setup to allow her other corporation to play at being "heroes." Demanding we respect her "integrity" on the summit while promising to "cheat us" in space is quite a new departure for the new breed of IGS "warriors" lately. True Knowledge
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.19 23:24:00 - [76] Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Jade Constantine Lay, dance, stroke, caress, canoodle, strenuously dandle, conjugate, nuzzle, clinch and nestle fondling trysts in the nookling entreaties of rapture too no doubt! The list goes on... poor mortals if they only knew. The truth would burn and blind them. And rightly so. True Knowledge
Lord Murkon Amarr SPCS	Posted - 2010.04.20 01:11:00 - [77] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Lord Murkon Perhaps you can explain how being a not-for-profit charity and accepting financial and other gifts from various groups makes us somehow "advocates of expantionist tactics of the Amarr Empire"? We'll be glad to explain through the medium of high velocity blaster rounds, battleship grade autocannon shells and mega-yield pulses of coherent light. Seriously, you puling Amarrian Nationalist dogs have convinced yourselves that your pitiful evasions and verbal manipulations on the IGS will somehow provide you with cover from your enemies. It won't. But do stop begging. It is really quite embarrassing to witness. Begging would be begging you not to shoot our vessels but that isn't happening here is it? Instead we will stand up against the oppressive tyranny that is the dictatorial Star Fraction and refuse to bow to their efforts to subjegate innocent pilots by means of intimidation. The Star Fraction cowards have indicated they seek to shoot unarmed vessels and slaughter innocent FREE Matari men, women and children. That legacy is now theirs and they will be responsible for the dead Minmatar they leave in their wake. Such a "legacy" indeed. Lord Murkon SPCS - Serving the pathetic Minmatar and lessor races by the grace of God
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.04.20 01:23:00 - [78] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Listen to me, Murkon, it is quite simple: you're a slaver and an active supporter of the expansionist policies of the Amarr Empire. You deploy facilities for the express purpose of actively supporting the policies of the Amarr Empire in space. You are our enemy. We have given you the requisite notice under our longstanding policy. I suggest you stop complaining about it because, as has been pointed out by others aligned with the Amarr Empire, it is rather pathethic. The Cosmopolite I have a question for The Cosmopolite. I noticed a well known slaver, slave torturer, slave gladiator contest organizer, slave executioner and declared supporter of the Amarr Empress has posted a few times in this thread. The person I speak of, Revan Neferis, is well known for her slaver activities and recently has made several postings in full support of the Amarr Empress. Am I safe in assuming using your currently posted "standards" for declaring war on slavers that the Star Fraction will be setting her alliance to -10 as well? She seems to fulfill at least as many of your three criteria as the SPCS does. Keep in mind not doing so would be completely hypocritical... unless of course you've reached another one of your famous smoke-filled backroom deals with her in which case it would still be completely hypocritical but business as usual for the Star Fraction. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL
Tizian Enel Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.20 01:27:00 - [79] Originally by: Lord Murkon The Star Fraction cowards have indicated they seek to shoot unarmed vessels and slaughter innocent FREE Matari men, women and children. That legacy is now theirs and they will be responsible for the dead Minmatar they leave in their wake. Lord Murkon, what about the ships that carry ENSLAVED Matari men, women and children? You say it's not actually you capturing the people? You are allowing it to happen, in fact even making it easier. All the while trying to make slavery look good and hiding behind the handful of freed slaves (who were freed through no action of your own, mind you) to continue your slavery and propaganda without retribution. Will you accept responsibility over what happens to every slave routed through your slave processing facilities? If you cared so much for the slaves you wouldn't be transporting them.. but it looks like you will choose to let them die so you can act the martyr.
Dame Death Minmatar Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.20 01:44:00 - [80] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss Mizarah Del'Thule you are a disgrace to your people and an affront before the spirits of the ancestors. Funny thats what Mizarah always says about me. Logs of a Brutor

Lord Murkon Amarr SPCS	Posted - 2010.04.20 01:47:00 - [81] Originally by: Tizian Enel Originally by: Lord Murkon The Star Fraction cowards have indicated they seek to shoot unarmed vessels and slaughter innocent FREE Matari men, women and children. That legacy is now theirs and they will be responsible for the dead Minmatar they leave in their wake. Lord Murkon, what about the ships that carry ENSLAVED Matari men, women and children? You say it's not actually you capturing the people? You are allowing it to happen, in fact even making it easier. All the while trying to make slavery look good and hiding behind the handful of freed slaves (who were freed through no action of your own, mind you) to continue your slavery and propaganda without retribution. Will you accept responsibility over what happens to every slave routed through your slave processing facilities? If you cared so much for the slaves you wouldn't be transporting them.. but it looks like you will choose to let them die so you can act the martyr. Some good questions. Let me clarify exactly what the SPCS does and the order in which we do it for newly arrived slaves. 1. Slaves arrive at SPCS facilities on third party transports from traders, owners and buyers. The SPCS does not transport slaves perse except between our facilities. 2. Slaves once arrived are processed. This involves full medical examinations, any treatment that needs to be performed, apptitude testing, education in various occupations and assignment of a "mentor" slave that helps them adjust to their new lives. 3. Slaves are provided free religious training (introductory) and given the opportunity to ask questions about their status as slaves. They are introduced to the SPCS standards of care and what is expected of owners who purchase them. Slaves are only transferred from SPCS facilities to certified SPCS slave owners and traders. These owners and traders have pledged to uphold the SPCS standards of slave care (which are currently being revised as you've seen in another thread here on IGS). These standards are meant to assure the slave is treated well, cared for, provided food and medical care and most of all treated in a humane manner. Without the SPCS these slaves would be arriving from traders directly to any old slave owner. Who knows what type of abuse and punishment they'd suffer from unregulated, uncertified, unethical slave owners. The SPCS does not live in some kind of fantasy land where we think every slave owner is kind and humane rather we realize there are slave owners out there who are harsh and cruel. This is the reason the SPCS was created in the first place. In summary the SPCS serves the Minmatar slaves and now the free Minmatar seeking travel to Minmatar space. While we are obedient to God and the Empress we serve the Minmatar and we feel without our services the lives of many Minmatar would be much worse in slavery. The SPCS obeys without question the orders of the Empress. If the Empress decreed tomorrow that slavery was outlawed we would be the first to throw all our assets and manpower behind helping these newly freed Minmatar. The SPCS in and of itself is apolitical and holds no viewpoint toward slavery rather we are realists. We acknowledge it exists, it serves some benefit to Minmatar through God and religious education and it's the reality of today. First and foremost for the SPCS is the concept of "humane treatment". Without our efforts slavery would be more difficult for the Minmatar. We are only working to help them. Lord Murkon SPCS - Serving the pathetic Minmatar and lessor races by the grace of God
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.04.20 02:00:00 - [82] Edited by: Revan Neferis on 20/04/2010 02:00:56 Originally by: Archbishop I noticed a well known slaver, slave torturer, slave gladiator contest organizer, slave executioner and declared supporter of the Amarr Empress has posted a few times in this thread. The person I speak of, Revan Neferis Contact me privately and I'll send you a list of sexy Titles to add to my portfolio. I personally only acknowledge those including dark leather, crimson metals , heretic symbols, silk and the sort but there are exceptions. Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Jade Constantine Lay, dance, stroke, caress, canoodle, strenuously dandle, conjugate, nuzzle, clinch and nestle fondling trysts in the nookling entreaties of rapture too no doubt! The list goes on... poor mortals if they only knew. The truth would burn and blind them. And rightly so. Already starts my delight. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik ôThe Abyss of Hallucinations has Law and Reason; but in Truth there is no bond between the Toys of the Gods.ö
Jakiin Khanid Provincial Vanguard	Posted - 2010.04.20 02:54:00 - [83] Originally by: Havohej You exist merely to allow Du'uma Fiisi pilot Del'thul to condemn and "heroically" oppose your imaginary deeds. First you compare me to Archbishop and call us enemies. Now you accuse us of running our own slave auction. You may consider this notice of hostile standings effective immediately. Originally by: Jade Constantine Well you are similar to Archbishop in many ways. Notice received and recipricated. Confirming the slaver collaborators of Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics are -10 to the Star Fraction with immediate effect matching your own standings to us. I... Jakiin sniffs, and wipes a tear away from his eye. I... I don't know what to say. Thank you God. You've given me such a great gift. No matter who loses in this ego-stroke of a war, I win so much happiness. But this isn't about my happiness, is it? No, this is about... Skims the thread, trying to determine its worth. Well I'm sure it's about something, anyway. Continue. * Jakiin Torash Holder Heir of the Kingdom Chief Diplomatic Officer Uncle Jak wants YOU to join the Khanid Provincial Vanguard!
claire xxx Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.20 03:42:00 - [84] Originally by: Mizhara Del'thul laughs delighedly, throwing her head back in glee Bliss, baby... I'm no warrior. I don't even fly Battleships. Duels are for fools and idiots, dear. But certainly... show up with your Battleship of choice. I might show up if there's enough comrades nearby to overwhelm the amount of ISK you've stuffed onto whichever ship you're flying. Duels.. hah. 'Fair fights'... Only warriors with their foolish concept of honor would think of such a concept. There's no such thing as a fair fight... there's a fight, and the winner is the one who cheats. 'Honor'... is heard laughing until the video feed is cut off, showing the Horned Mask symbol briefly Mizhara, You didn't have to explain to everyone on the summit that you have no honor... we already knew that. From your and Misan's (and your combined agents) ineptly contrived and poorly executed smear campaign here on the Summit, dating all the way back to you trolling The Star Fraction private communications system spewing vile and hateful comments; we knew you had no honor. I'd also like to point out that a man or woman with no honor can't be trusted to tell the truth. And your admission of not having honor and willingness to cheat is just further proof of the kind of person you truly are. -------- Havohej, It's truly sad that it come to this. I considered you a friend, but when you allow your personal issues with Jade to override your brain and you threaten Star Fraction "ratters" then not only have you threatened my brothers and sisters in arms, but you have threatened me as well. I'd make the same offer that Jade has; a one on one duel to include the pod kill. You choose the type of ships. However, I know you'd never accept it, as it's clear that you're as honor-less as Mizhara. When you come to kill the ratters I'll be here waiting for you. Hopefully I'll see you both on the field of battle, in my gun sights many, many times. Claire XXX
Sarius Deteis The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.20 04:03:00 - [85] Wow Jade... It appears that you did not need anyone else to do it because you just shot yourself in your foot with your own blaster. The first four communications of this entire channel sum up what everyone thinks about Star Fraction and about your ability to navigate others communications and only pick out what you think does you good, without touching the things that make you not look good. I do have to applaud you though, you have reached a new high in your current training. However I did not know that one could learn Communication Forum Navigation, none the less master it to level V. Bravo Amarr Victory WTB 8 lowslot Inty
claire xxx Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.20 04:10:00 - [86] Originally by: Sarius Deteis Wow Jade... screen fuzzes out... Bravo Hmmmm CV Who?
Fridarey Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.20 04:15:00 - [87] Originally by: Sarius Deteis Wow Jade... It appears that you did not need anyone else to do it because you just shot yourself in your foot with your own blaster. The first four communications of this entire channel sum up what everyone thinks about Star Fraction and about your ability to navigate others communications and only pick out what you think does you good, without touching the things that make you not look good. I do have to applaud you though, you have reached a new high in your current training. However I did not know that one could learn Communication Forum Navigation, none the less master it to level V. Have you been taking lessons on worthless posting from Archbishop? Take a good look at PIE Inc. This is where you lot will be in a couple of years if you start believing that pointless bluster on the IGS is going to dig you out of the hole. CVA and Amarrian Nationalism in general look absolutely terrible on the IGS at the moment. Crying an begging and bleating as far as the eye can see. Get some dignity and stiff upper lip at least for heaven's sake!
Sarius Deteis The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.20 04:59:00 - [88] Originally by: Fridarey Have you been taking lessons on worthless posting from Archbishop? Take a good look at PIE Inc. This is where you lot will be in a couple of years if you start believing that pointless bluster on the IGS is going to dig you out of the hole. CVA and Amarrian Nationalism in general look absolutely terrible on the IGS at the moment. My good sir. Perhaps you are confused as to what you are seeing on your Star Ship communication computer in front of you. This discussion in its entirety is what we call a Channel, as you are fully aware of because you accessed it from the before mentioned computer system. Secondly, each burst that is received in this channel is called a communication. Now over the years the mindless have come up with completely weird terms such as "Post" and "Thread", but as this is a civilized channel I think that we can anticipate; nay expect that people who visit here are properly informed as to the basic functions of their computer system. So I will say again, "The first four communications of this entire channel sum up what everyone thinks about Star Fraction...". Please Jade, control the mindless who are so finely representing your alliance in this channel. Amarr Victory WTB 8 lowslot Inty
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.20 05:55:00 - [89] Originally by: Sarius Deteis So I will say again, "The first four communications of this entire channel sum up what everyone thinks about Star Fraction...". Anyone that claims to speak for "everyone" is generally an idiot. You are not an exception to this rule. Quote: Please Jade, control the mindless who are so finely representing your alliance in this channel. I prefer the free expression of heroic free captains to the pleading, puling, gutless whining that I see coming from the Amarrian Nationalist bloc and their slaves at the moment. True Knowledge
Mazca Lopez Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.20 09:05:00 - [90] Originally by: Lord Murkon As for Archbishop he is our SPCS Director and Chairman. As Archbishop is our Director he often issues press releases for the SPCS which I forward on to publically post. When he does this it is common to either reference it or to use his name as the official signature. Perhaps you can explain how being a not-for-profit charity and accepting financial and other gifts from various groups makes us somehow "advocates of expantionist tactics of the Amarr Empire"? No need as it is clear that you are nothing but a piece of the PIE. We know their agenda, we know yours.

Tetseptus Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.20 13:18:00 - [91] Edited by: Tetseptus on 20/04/2010 13:19:44 Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Tetseptus Originally by: Havohej ...you lackey. I've never once seen you express an opinion that more forceful personalities in your corporation didn't give you and I doubt I ever will. You're barely even a Minmatar. Out of all of them, you disgusted me the most. And why is that, Havohej? Clarify your position and show your true colours. What is it about me specifically that you despise so? Or is this just posturing and noise like the other venom you have issued forth? The reason is in the text you quoted. I have given you plenty of time to collect your thoughts on how deeply you have come to hate me specifically. æThe reasonÆ, as you so clumsily put it, is not in the text I quoted. First, you called me a ælackeyÆ. You then expounded upon something you had not seen, and touched upon something you doubted. Then you appear to slur my heritage, perhaps you are implying that the Vherokior are not technically Minmatar? You end by informing me that I disgust you. What I ask for is clarification: Is it that I disgust you and am barely Minmatar because you have not seen me express an opinion that is my own and not given to me by someone else? Are you then assuming that you have seen me express all of my opinions, and/or shared with you all that I am? In the short time that you were among us, you feel you have seen the full spectrum of what constitutes Free Captain Tetseptus, do you? You see, my suspicion is as I stated: Originally by: Tetseptus Or is this just posturing and noise like the other venom you have issued forth? Posturing and noise, Havohej. You are all bluster. I shall not stoop to the same base level of personal abuse that you have. You doubtless hoped that I would just go away and say no more as I imagine your lackeys are wont to do when you turn your disapproval on them. Tetseptus, Vherokior Fighter 2nd Generation Free-Born
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.20 15:14:00 - [92] At this rate we have more ongoing unanswered challenges to single combat against Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics than they have active pilots. I am still waiting for Havohej to discover his backbone and stand up like a Matari fighter rather than hiding under the skirts of his Amarrian paymasters like a gutless Ni-Kunni functionary blocking his ears from the call to battle. How very much like Archbishop this fellow has become, cringing from the merest suggestion of honourable conflict and throwing poisonous scorn on warriors with the courage to stand and fight for their ideals rather than skulk in the shadows like dung-beetles carring away their noisome burden from watching eyes. My comrades Tomahawk and ClairXXX also find their challenges unanswered by the "pilots" of Du'uma Fiisi, the coward and pandering flimflam merchant Mizhara Del'thul boasts of her lies and penchant for dishonesty in crawling away from battle beneath anothers robes while Havohej again ignores the gauntlet lashed thrice across his skulking rat-features by a bold and heroic free captain intent on thrashing the lies and dishonesty from this insult to matari name. What an incredible disappointment. In a year that has seen my brothers and sisters of the Ushra'khan reclaim their territories in Providence and free the slaves of that once-benighted region, and our friends and comrades in the TLF win similar victories against the cowardly 24th Crusade in the Bleaks and Devoid, in a year that has seen the bloody hand strike into the heart of their enemy and cut the head from the theocratic council, in a year that has seen these wonders and more now we are forced to view the low spectacle of a self-declared "Thukker Terrorist" cell striking PIE Inc. style poses on galnet and shrinking away to immediate disgraceful and humiliating retreat the moment they are called to battle by true Matari heroes and the leader of their mumbling and half-hearted declaration aggression target. In ancient times when tribes came to conflict and disharmony the warbands of fighters would take up arms and array themelves for battle and paint themselves with the symbols of their ancestors to meet in glorious and deadly combat under the blazing sun of their homeworld. Clashing of blades and shields, the metalic song of armour, the voices of men standing with their brothers and everywhere the sweet-sharp anticipation of killing and victory or suffering and death to come. I walk out from behind the lines of my tribe and hold up my spear in challenge to you Havohej of the Du'uma Fiisi. I have noted your kinsmen are weak and your numbers few and it will bring no honour to crush you underfoot by weight of line in the press and I call to you directly. Stand out from behind your women and meet me if you have the courage. You and I have issue here. My words spoken to the wormling Del'thul have wounded your sleep and you named me enemy because I spoke things you could not bare to hear. So be it. Here I am. I stand clear of my lines and meet you in the middle ground in the full view of all. Come and fight you gutless dog or forever know the scorn of all and have your name reduced to a thing of derision and faint disgust hereafter. I am here. I want to kill you. Do you have the courage to kill me? True Knowledge
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.04.20 16:38:00 - [93] This thread seems to have gone somewhat off-topic with all the insults and challenges which have nothing to do with either Angel Wing or the SPCS. As an inquiring mind I would like to know what does a spaceship duels actually achieve or prove? If one is beaten, is one's argument suddenly invalid? Or should I see it more like a release of tension and build-up anger between parties so that after they've beaten each other to pulp, they can approach each other as friends again? I would sincerely suggest to duel in frigates instead of battleships so as not to waste the lives of many of the crew. Additionally, my respect for mr. Havohej has grown, for even if he is a foul terrorist and psychopathic murderer, at least his responses are consistent. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.20 16:43:00 - [94] Originally by: Merdaneth Additionally, my respect for mr. Havohej has grown, for even if he is a foul terrorist and psychopathic murderer, at least his responses are consistent. Well he seems to have a lot in common with you. Maybe you should join forces? True Knowledge
Muck Raker Gallente Gutter Press	Posted - 2010.04.20 17:00:00 - [95] Originally by: Jade Constantine enjoy make-belief "rescues" to coddle your ego What make-belief rescues are these? This sounds interesting! Rumours! Wars! Rumours of wars! Wars of rumours!
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.04.20 17:09:00 - [96] Originally by: Tetseptus [...] you feel you have seen the full spectrum of what constitutes Free Captain Tetseptus, do you? I have. Originally by: Jade Constantine I am here. I want to kill you. Do you have the courage to kill me? I skipped to the end of your transmission and it appears that it was all a lot of provocative rhetoric centering around your concept of honor. Honor is doing what you say you're going to do, when you say you're going to do it. Whether that's showing up to a dinner date on time or honoring a ransom. A one-on-one duel is not honor. I one-on-one duel is about pride and ego. I don't care about your ego. I don't care about your pride. I daresay no one in Du'uma Fiisi does. You're wasting your breath. You'll see us when we pass through your neck of the cluster. We'll prosecute targets of opportunity based on our own discretion. Not your quaint and misguided Gallentean concept of "honor." Originally by: Jade Constantine Come and fight you gutless dog or forever know the scorn of all Originally by: Jade Constantine Anyone that claims to speak for "everyone" is generally an idiot. You are not an exception to this rule. Backstage OOC Forum @EVE-Inspiracy.com
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.20 17:20:00 - [97] Originally by: Havohej I one-on-one duel is about pride and ego. I don't care about your ego. I don't care about your pride. I daresay no one in Du'uma Fiisi does. Crawl away on your belly then worm. Seems slithering is something you are best adapted to. Perhaps you could join Merdaneth in his carping about ROE and wardecs and content yourself with being nothing but an empty Galnet warrior hereafter. Certainly seems more your level. Worthless creature. True Knowledge
Zuzanna Alondra Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.04.20 18:32:00 - [98] Edited by: Zuzanna Alondra on 20/04/2010 18:34:06 This is nonsense. We don't talk through mouthpieces - not one of us. If we got a problem with someone we tell them to their face. Originally by: Tetseptus Then you appear to slur my heritage, perhaps you are implying that the Vherokior are not technically Minmatar? That wasn't what he was implying at all, your just going to have to trust me on this one, otherwise there's a few members in Du'uma that would skin his hide. But honestly the reason I am **ed right now is not over the standing nonsense that is causing friends to fire at one another - that's an issue all of it's own that I think has already been well yelled about. It's the stupidity and senseless disregard for life Jade and very sadly, Tomahawk, has shown with their terms for a duel. I mean - it's a sad day when I agree with a slaver whole heartledly: Originally by:** Merdaneth I would sincerely suggest to duel in frigates instead of battleships so as not to waste the lives of many of the crew. Battleships duels until both the ship and pod are destroyed? Battleships are crewed ships. You've got a lot of nerve to carelessly risk the life of crew like that. I have dueled many of a time in crewed ships - to structure, then we stop. Senseless pointless bloodshed. Claire at least said we can pick the ships - which means crew doesn't have to die, but implies crewed ships are alright - which puts her in the same poor light. Not only that, but if we wanted to waste isk on expensive ships for duels, we'd have more time and isk to go out and fight our way or on more supplies for the million people we are helping.
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.04.20 18:39:00 - [99] Originally by: Zuzanna Alondra This is nonsense. We don't talk through mouthpieces - not one of us. If we got a problem with someone we tell them to their face. Originally by: Tetseptus Then you appear to slur my heritage, perhaps you are implying that the Vherokior are not technically Minmatar? That wasn't what he was implying at all, your just going to have to trust me on this one, otherwise there's a few members in Du'uma that would skin his hide. *The Thukker-Sebiestor chuckles heartily. Well put, sister. Well put. Backstage OOC Forum @EVE-Inspiracy.com
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.20 18:46:00 - [100] Originally by: Zuzanna Alondra It's the stupidity and senseless disregard for life Jade and very sadly, Tomahawk, has shown with their terms for a duel. I mean - it's a sad day when I agree with a slaver whole heartledly: At its core that is the problem, you have members of Du'uma Fiisi that have been doing a lot of agreeing with slavers wholeheartledly recently. Just as you have members of Du'uma Fiisi who have been telling outright lies about the Fraction on the IGS and agreeing with slavers in their false condemnation of our rules of engagement, ideology and fundamental honesty. You want to find a reason to wring your hands and roll your eyes then look no further than the behaviour of your corp mates in the thread posted to celebrate the Misan Pal'taek corp theft where Mizhara Del'thul directly lies about actions of the Star Fraction and your CEO Havohej refuses to renounce a single word. I have to conclude that your organization is rotten to its core and hopelessly compromised by the ponderous ego of its leader, and ego which sadly doesn't extend to pride in his own accomplishments in space since he prefers to take out his anger at me against "younger" members of the Fraction in cowardly actions in the small hours. His words speak plainly here of his trembling terror at the notion of facing me in single combat. And he is right to fear me because I would kill him and he knows it. So instead he prefers to lie and cheat and support the words of lies and cheats and cowards like Mizhara Del'thul and poison what is left of his tattered reputation to worthless nothing. And in time the "fighters" of Du'uma Fiisi might (if they can find the docking ramps) come against a novice free captain in the dead of night while avoid combat with the object of their fear and hatred. Very well then. But do not expect kind words from me Zuzanna Alondra. You bed down with scum. I name you scum. And I spit in your face in full knowledge that your CEO lacks the backbone to fight a duel for your name. True Knowledge

Svenjabi Xiang Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.20 18:53:00 - [101] Edited by: Svenjabi Xiang on 20/04/2010 18:53:46 A pilot who's basic concerns for crew and assets outweigh their concern for their ideals should perhaps restrain themselves to patrolling the route between Ryddinjorn and Arlulf and leave the concerns of more hostile environments to those who's crews are more willing to risk their lives for the strength of their commitment to their ideals. By declaring kill-on-sight standings, knowing full well that we would reciprocate, your CEO has apparently given up all concern for your crew and assets on your behalf.
claire xxx Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.20 19:17:00 - [102] Originally by: Zuzanna Alondra Edited by: Zuzanna Alondra on 20/04/2010 18:34:06 This is nonsense. We don't talk through mouthpieces - not one of us. If we got a problem with someone we tell them to their face. Originally by: Tetseptus Then you appear to slur my heritage, perhaps you are implying that the Vherokior are not technically Minmatar? That wasn't what he was implying at all, your just going to have to trust me on this one, otherwise there's a few members in Du'uma that would skin his hide. But honestly the reason I am **ed right now is not over the standing nonsense that is causing friends to fire at one another - that's an issue all of it's own that I think has already been well yelled about. It's the stupidity and senseless disregard for life Jade and very sadly, Tomahawk, has shown with their terms for a duel. I mean - it's a sad day when I agree with a slaver whole heartledly: Originally by:** Merdaneth I would sincerely suggest to duel in frigates instead of battleships so as not to waste the lives of many of the crew. Battleships duels until both the ship and pod are destroyed? Battleships are crewed ships. You've got a lot of nerve to carelessly risk the life of crew like that. I have dueled many of a time in crewed ships - to structure, then we stop. Senseless pointless bloodshed. Claire at least said we can pick the ships - which means crew doesn't have to die, but implies crewed ships are alright - which puts her in the same poor light. Not only that, but if we wanted to waste isk on expensive ships for duels, we'd have more time and isk to go out and fight our way or on more supplies for the million people we are helping. Zuzanna, Since when has an NBSI organization (such as Du'uma Fiisi) ever been concerned with the crews of their or others ships? I hate to tell you this, but you, as someone who makes such claims, are really in the wrong type of organization. I'd also like to point out that regardless of how this started, if your CEO had any real and true concerns of this nature (especially for his and his corp mates crews) he wouldn't have taken your corporation NBSI. Nor would he have set The Star Fraction as a -10 enemy; because we will prosecute this aggression by killing any and all Du'uma Fiisi ships on sight. Havohej has proven, once again, that he has no honor and that his words are nothing more than hollow lies and empty threats. One last note. This isn't a "standing nonsense that is causing friends to fire at one another." True friends are trustworthy and honorable (which Havohej has proven he's not) and would not have stood by your fellow corp-mate's smear campaign that he started with another honor-less corp thief. If you lay with lying, thieving dogs that have no sense of honor then you're bound to be considered one of them yourself. So please don't come to the Summit and play the "holier-than-thou" card. It doesn't work. Claire XXX
Mizhara Del'thul Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.04.20 21:13:00 - [103] Tell me, you 'honorable' and 'trustworthy' Fractionists... what makes a duel honorable? What makes single combat 'right'? What would it achieve, beyond wasting time and resources? Why even bother with single combat, when you can crush your enemy in unbalanced combat? Your 'honor' is pathetic. It's an excuse. It's 'oh, look at what I can afford to use as an attempt to somehow prove my words'. What would the outcome of such a duel provide? Nothing but show off the pool of ISK or training time. That's all. When I undock with the intent to destroy an enemy, I make sure I will be the one returning victoriously. Honor impedes that. It means giving my enemy a 'fair' chance of survival. And that... is unacceptable, when the enemy deserves death. You claim integrity and righteousness. You claim moral superiority. And yet... you spread bile, venom, lies and accusations which you know are false. I don't have a warrior's honor, because it is foolish and stupid. It's what has allowed the Empire to stay alive and almost untouched even in spite of it's actions. What I have... is true honor. I will do whatever is necessary to destroy my enemies... but I will do it without lies... without hiding behind false morals and pretense of superiority. Oh yes... I am worthy of scorn and hatred, of that you can be sure. But I never say a word, unless I am convinced it is the truth. And should it be proven false, then I will accept that, and move on. I don't have your vaunted and pathetic honor... I have something far more valuable, you lying and pathetic little pretenders... I have honesty and integrity. I can be trusted, and so can anyone else in Du'uma Fiisi... because we don't lie, even to our enemies or ourselves. You lie with your every breath. Pretending to be so superior and honorable... until the universe won't allow that and let you live. Then it's 'oh, we meant this or that all along'. Changing your 'truth' to suit yourself. Pathetic... and oh so 'honorable', isn't it? laughs coldly as she cuts off the video feed
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.20 21:33:00 - [104] Originally by: Mizhara Del'thul Tell me, you 'honorable' and 'trustworthy' Fractionists... what makes a duel honorable? The fact the participants put their guns, resources and time on the line to back up what they say. Of course a cowardly creature like you would not be able to understand this. I am still yet to see your corporation make any effort what so ever to back up the aggression you post here at this summit. No war dec, no roaming gangs into 0.0, you haven't even managed to gank a new pilot yet... So you won't duel, what will you do to us? Continue to bluster and rant at this summit will be the extent of this gesture no doubt. Pathetic worm, go crawl back under your rock.
Mizhara Del'thul Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.04.20 21:46:00 - [105] leans her head to the side, eyebrow raised and with an amused smile on her face 'backing up your words with guns'... does that somehow make your words hold more truth? Does that turn falsehoods into truth, perhaps? Or uncomfortable truths into comfortable falsehoods? As for the rest of your blather, I'll just refer you to Havohej's communications. We'll be where our Amarrian enemies are, in the heart of their Empire, be it high or lowsec. If they're running near your little stomping grounds, we might run into eachother and that is all there is to it, dearie.
Zuzanna Alondra Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.04.20 21:51:00 - [106] Originally by: claire xxx Zuzanna, Since when has an NBSI organization (such as Du'uma Fiisi) ever been concerned with the crews of their or others ships? I hate to tell you this, but you, as someone who makes such claims, are really in the wrong type of organization. Actually - the reason I like NBSI for Du'uma is because I care about my crew. When I see an enemy, some easily spottable enemy, I don't contact an HR person (which in this case ironically would be myself), give my enemies 24 hours notice to plan and ship up to fight me, get the okay to set them red and then hope to have the shot at shooting them again. I strike them -quickly - and then get out before they can call for backup to shoot my own ship down. Actually now that I think of it I can't remember ever shooting at someone that isn't red. The way Du'uma fights ROE wise hasn't ever really changed from my point of view since I've been here, which includes our time in SF.
Shirley Serious Amarr The Khanid Sisters of Athra	Posted - 2010.04.20 21:51:00 - [107] Starship crews don't have any problem with the risk of dying in combat, when fighting for their ideals. Starship duels, however, are not fighting for any ideals, they are mere entertainment for the idle rich. A ship and crew engaged in a duel, is not out oppressing rebels, liberating slaves, defending freedom, or exploiting the wealth of space. It is engaged in bloodsports, for no purpose other than to satisfy the idle desires of the aristocrats who wish to see people die for their amusement. Gladiator contests. Especially amongst capsuleers. Wealth is meaningless, mineral prices and economic situation means ships are cheap. It's not like there's much risk of death either, as there would be for people on foot. Unless the duellists have decided that there will be no clone revival. Such things do happen on occasion, in the Empire at times, when death in combat means there will be no investigation of things that are best left undisturbed. With nothing to lose for the pilot, only the crews will die. And for nothing, except applause or jeers from those who would be aristocrats. Furthermore, any duelling code worth it's name says that the challenger does not get to unilaterally decide the weapons and place for the contest. Normally, Challenger declares intention. Challenged decides weapons. Place of combat is mutually agreed upon, if necessary with consultation with Seconds. Let the soap opera continue. Yes. Yes, I am.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.20 22:19:00 - [108] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 20/04/2010 22:20:05 Originally by: Mizhara Del'thul Tell me, you 'honorable' and 'trustworthy' Fractionists... what makes a duel honorable? What makes single combat 'right'? What would it achieve, beyond wasting time and resources? Why even bother with single combat, when you can crush your enemy in unbalanced combat? Your 'honor' is pathetic. It's an excuse. It's 'oh, look at what I can afford to use as an attempt to somehow prove my words'. What would the outcome of such a duel provide? Nothing but show off the pool of ISK or training time. That's all. Well it demonstrates who is prepared to stand up and be counted in space and who prefers to shoot their mouth off on the IGS forum with zero delivery in reality. And lets remember, Havohej set SF -10 because he didn't like something I said. He already begged to be allowed to fight JF alone (asking DX4, Lyrus, SIF etc to step aside). Why not go the whole way and let JF step aside as well and let this raving amarrian apologist of a Sebiester forum-troll have an opportunity to fight the object of his obsession rather than going through the motions of posturing and doing nothing. I have offered to step out from behind my shield line and fight your leader in single combat. It is the best odds he will ever get from the Fraction. If his cowardice (and your cowardice in avoiding Tomahawk's challenge) is so great as to not take that that opportunity its your look out. Quote: When I undock with the intent to destroy an enemy, I make sure I will be the one returning victoriously. Honor impedes that. It means giving my enemy a 'fair' chance of survival. And that... is unacceptable, when the enemy deserves death. You claim integrity and righteousness. You claim moral superiority. And yet... you spread bile, venom, lies and accusations which you know are false. I know you have stood here and declared proudly you are a liar and cheat and at the same time expect us to believe what you say. It doesn't make sense. Quote: What I have... is true honor. I will do whatever is necessary to destroy my enemies... ... as long as it only requires that you hoot and bray on the IGS without any delivery in space? Understood then. Quote: I have something far more valuable, you lying and pathetic little pretenders... I have honesty and integrity. Didn't you already tell us you were proud of being a liar and a cheat? Are you on boosters or something, your argumentation seems extremely eratic. Quote: I can be trusted, and so can anyone else in Du'uma Fiisi... because we don't lie, even to our enemies or ourselves. You lie with your every breath. Pretending to be so superior and honorable... until the universe won't allow that and let you live. Then it's 'oh, we meant this or that all along'. Changing your 'truth' to suit yourself. Pathetic... and oh so 'honorable', isn't it?laughs coldly as she cuts off the video feed It honestly sounds like you have gone mad. True Knowledge
Mizhara Del'thul Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.04.20 22:28:00 - [109] I have never told an intentional lie, nor have I ever said I do. I cheat in combat. I strike when my enemy is vulnerable and unprepared. I seek to destroy my enemy, not prove my clone's got a chromosome fault which let me grow balls. There's a difference between strategy, tactics and honesty. You don't seem to grasp any of the three, Constantine.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.20 22:45:00 - [110] Originally by: Mizhara Del'thul There's a difference between strategy, tactics and honesty. You don't seem to grasp any of the three, Constantine. Fine words from a cowardly dog prepared to crawl on her belly to escape the challenge to battle. I think our respective reputations speak for themselves. Your only supporter to this date seems to be Merdaneth. Say no more. True Knowledge

Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.04.20 22:51:00 - [111] Originally by: ChipMo The fact the participants put their guns, resources and time on the line to back up what they say. Spaceships are cheap. Good satire, now that's expensive. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.04.20 22:55:00 - [112] Originally by: Jade Constantine [Havohej] already begged to be allowed to fight JF alone (asking DX4, Lyrus, SIF etc to step aside). Factually untrue. I offered to maintain our mutually positive standings with Daedalus X and commented that we've never had issues with pilots from DX4, SIF or LYRUS. DX4's answer was more or less to say "But we're friends, can't you just ignore Jade for our sake?" To which my response was that we'd done that the last time. No more. I did not ask DX4 to 'step aside' and I have had no contact with either SIF or LYRUS. Of course, you'll tell whatever lie benefits your ridiculous rhetoric and then prattle on about honor, I'm aware of that. And now that we're openly enemies at the organizational level, you want to dictate when, how and even along what principles our hostilities will proceed. We decline. The fact is, you're not a priority, nor are your ego or your pride. We're not drawing up plans for organized campaigns against Wheat... I mean, Star Fraction, we're not going to go out of our way to find you. If you happen to be where we're already hunting and circumstances seem favorable, we'll attack. Beyond that, you're not a major concern. We didn't move our headquarters into the heart of the Amarr Empire to go down to Providence shooting freespacers all day. We didn't set up shop here to bring battleships out to Kamela and have play fights. You can speculate as to what our priorities are until you're blue in the face, as I'm sure you will, but I'm afraid all that speculation won't increase your position on that list in the slightest. Backstage OOC Forum @EVE-Inspiracy.com
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.20 23:02:00 - [113] Originally by: Havohej You can speculate as to what our priorities are until you're blue in the face, as I'm sure you will, but I'm afraid all that speculation won't increase your position on that list in the slightest. Oh I think I know your priority is finding the slimiest rock to hide under. Very well understood. All empty forum bluster and no delivery. Very much what I expected from Du'uma Fiisi and Havohej. Get back to make-believe actions against the "slavers". True Knowledge
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.04.20 23:26:00 - [114] I shall. Good luck with your make-believe revolution in space someone else conquered and gave you with a promise to protect your sovereignty. Backstage OOC Forum @EVE-Inspiracy.com
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.20 23:37:00 - [115] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 20/04/2010 23:37:18 Originally by: Havohej I shall. Good luck with your make-believe revolution in space someone else conquered and gave you with a promise to protect your sovereignty. Ah but monsieur wormling, unlike you we have spent many years fighting our enemies ... in space. Your rather innept barb does nothing but impale you fully the reflection of your own inadaquacy. But welcome to the ranks of our toothless galnet stalkers without the courage or ability to do ... well anything. It suits you. True Knowledge
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.04.20 23:37:00 - [116] Originally by: Merdaneth This thread seems to have gone somewhat off-topic with all the insults and challenges which have nothing to do with either Angel Wing or the SPCS. Star Fraction derailing a thread that negatively impacts them by displaying their hypocracy and lies...never, that would never happen.
claire xxx Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.21 00:45:00 - [117] Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Jade Constantine [Havohej] already begged to be allowed to fight JF alone (asking DX4, Lyrus, SIF etc to step aside). Factually untrue. I offered to maintain our mutually positive standings with Daedalus X and commented that we've never had issues with pilots from DX4, SIF or LYRUS. DX4's answer was more or less to say "But we're friends, can't you just ignore Jade for our sake?" To which my response was that we'd done that the last time. No more. I did not ask DX4 to 'step aside' and I have had no contact with either SIF or LYRUS. Of course, you'll tell whatever lie benefits your ridiculous rhetoric and then prattle on about honor, I'm aware of that. And now that we're openly enemies at the organizational level, you want to dictate when, how and even along what principles our hostilities will proceed. We decline. The fact is, you're not a priority, nor are your ego or your pride. We're not drawing up plans for organized campaigns against Wheat... I mean, Star Fraction, we're not going to go out of our way to find you. If you happen to be where we're already hunting and circumstances seem favorable, we'll attack. Beyond that, you're not a major concern. We didn't move our headquarters into the heart of the Amarr Empire to go down to Providence shooting freespacers all day. We didn't set up shop here to bring battleships out to Kamela and have play fights. You can speculate as to what our priorities are until you're blue in the face, as I'm sure you will, but I'm afraid all that speculation won't increase your position on that list in the slightest. Havohej, Let's not mince words. Considering the conversations we've had over voice coms for you to come to the Summit and vomit out the garbage that you have makes you, in the truest and literal sense of the words, both a liar and a hypocrite. You know my true stance on the Summit (and the reasons behind it) so take it quite literally when I say that I am appalled that I once considered you a friend. I'll not communicate on this subject again. Instead, I'll allow the business end of my weapons do my talking should I ever run across you or any member of your den of vipers in space. Claire XXX
claire xxx Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.21 00:55:00 - [118] Originally by: Invelious Star Fraction derailing a thread that negatively impacts them by displaying their hypocracy and lies...never, that would never happen. Inveli-who?
Muck Raker Gallente Gutter Press	Posted - 2010.04.21 05:15:00 - [119] Originally by: Jade Constantine Get back to make-believe actions against the "slavers". I'd still like to know more about this make-believe that Havohej does. Do you mean that thing with the one million slaves? Are you saying that didn't happen? Rumours! Wars! Rumours of wars! Wars of rumours!
Tempus Iskander Gallente Les Enfants de Gaia	Posted - 2010.04.21 14:15:00 - [120] Originally by: Invelious Originally by: Merdaneth This thread seems to have gone somewhat off-topic with all the insults and challenges which have nothing to do with either Angel Wing or the SPCS. Star Fraction derailing a thread that negatively impacts them by displaying their hypocracy and lies...never, that would never happen. You must be reading a different thread. This one has people setting other people -10 and getting challenged to dueling fights. ___________________________ Without fear and without reproach

Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.04.21 23:40:00 - [121] Edited by: Archbishop on 21/04/2010 23:41:05 Originally by: Archbishop Originally by: The Cosmopolite Listen to me, Murkon, it is quite simple: you're a slaver and an active supporter of the expansionist policies of the Amarr Empire. You deploy facilities for the express purpose of actively supporting the policies of the Amarr Empire in space. You are our enemy. We have given you the requisite notice under our longstanding policy. I suggest you stop complaining about it because, as has been pointed out by others aligned with the Amarr Empire, it is rather pathethic. The Cosmopolite I have a question for The Cosmopolite. I noticed a well known slaver, slave torturer, slave gladiator contest organizer, slave executioner and declared supporter of the Amarr Empress has posted a few times in this thread. The person I speak of, Revan Neferis, is well known for her slaver activities and recently has made several postings in full support of the Amarr Empress. Am I safe in assuming using your currently posted "standards" for declaring war on slavers that the Star Fraction will be setting her alliance to -10 as well? She seems to fulfill at least as many of your three criteria as the SPCS does. Keep in mind not doing so would be completely hypocritical... unless of course you've reached another one of your famous smoke-filled backroom deals with her in which case it would still be completely hypocritical but business as usual for the Star Fraction. Archbishop I noticed Cosmo was apparently absent and not able to answer my question above. Perhaps another Star Fraction pilot or even Jade herself would like to comment on this situation. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL
Darveses DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.22 08:55:00 - [122] Archie, that argument is 5 years old. --- The Providence Gazetteer Star Fraction YouTube Channel
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.04.22 13:31:00 - [123] Originally by: Darveses Archie, that argument is 5 years old. 6, by the end of next month to be precise. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik ôThe Abyss of Hallucinations has Law and Reason; but in Truth there is no bond between the Toys of the Gods.ö
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.04.22 13:48:00 - [124] Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Darveses Archie, that argument is 5 years old. 6, by the end of next month to be precise. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Yep, and we're still waiting for a satisfactory answer. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:02:00 - [125] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Darveses Archie, that argument is 5 years old. 6, by the end of next month to be precise. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Yep, and we're still waiting for a satisfactory answer. Ask your God. He might give you your satisfactory answer and put your dead boorish obsessive stalking mind to rest at last. Want to come to the celebration party this year? I'm thinking about Whips. Whips and chains. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik ôThe Abyss of Hallucinations has Law and Reason; but in Truth there is no bond between the Toys of the Gods.ö
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:21:00 - [126] Originally by: Archbishop Am I safe in assuming using your currently posted "standards" for declaring war on slavers that the Star Fraction will be setting her alliance to -10 as well? She seems to fulfill at least as many of your three criteria as the SPCS does. My beloved Revan Neferis has done more damage to the Amarr Empire and its capsuleer tag-along-cheerleaders than a thousand Havohej's would manage in their entire existence. You should take the advise that Silas Vitalia kindly provided you on page one of this thread and stop filling this virtual medium with your bitter tears and wheedling complaints. Originally by: Silas Vitalia The complaints of several here are quite embarrassing to hear as a True Amarr, specifically Lord Murkon and Merdaneth. Since when has a capsuleer organization ever needed to explain or justify the setting of its own standings towards other groups? The incessant whining of my fellow Amarrians here has done nothing but bring shame upon themselves. Why should you even remotely care what the Anarchists and Godless think of you, or why they think it? Those silly details are completely irrelevant. This sort of whining makes me wonder if you want to be their friends? The entire conversation is rediculous. Being set to negative by them should be the obvious and -default- response, and one that you should expect and be proud of. Whining over the specifics or reasoning of such decisions to try and point out inconsistencies in their public policy is beneath you both. Grow some backbone and start acting like the proud people you should be. Shameful. True Knowledge
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:26:00 - [127] Originally by: Rodj Blake Yep, and we're still waiting for a satisfactory answer. One cannot provide justification, no matter how rational, to those who will not accept the rationality of your argument. Heartstone ---
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.23 15:29:00 - [128] I notice the bashing Bishop hasn't replied to Silas' words yet. True Knowledge
Tempus Iskander Gallente Les Enfants de Gaia	Posted - 2010.04.24 14:36:00 - [129] Amazing how much drama comes from setting a couple of Slaver corps red. ___________________________ Without fear and without reproach
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.04.24 21:21:00 - [130] As there has been no answer to the question I posed to Jade at the top of this page I'll attempt to post the answer that seem most obvious based on the evidence to date. Hypothetical Star Fraction Answer: The Star Fraction uses "slavery" as an excuse for combat and does not really care about slavery at all. We reserve the right to compromise any of our Principles of the Week at any time and for any reason. We realize all evidence points to the fact we claim one thing and do the opposite but we choose to ignore that evidence and hope no one else notices it. If we want to hop in bed with a slave torturing harolt thats our right. Yes we acknowledge it's completely hypocritical but we are completely hypocritical and thats just the way it is. We say one thing then do another. We oppose closed space then kiss up to groups that do it. We condemn corp theft then help one of our member corporations execute it. We claim to want freespace yet make peace with groups that deny it. The Star Fraction reserves the right to change it's Principles of the Week at any time and thus use them as an excuse for war and violence at any time against any one. That seems to about cover it. As the Star Fraction hasn't replied to the hypocrisy they commit you may consider this a public service annoucement. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL

Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.24 21:58:00 - [131] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 24/04/2010 21:58:59 Originally by: Archbishop As there has been no answer to the question I posed to Jade at the top of this page I'll attempt to post the answer that seem most obvious based on the evidence to date. PIE wish fulfilment "answer" The Star Fraction uses "slavery" as an excuse for combat and does not really care about slavery at all. We reserve the right to compromise any of our Principles of the Week at any time and for any reason. We realize all evidence points to the fact we claim one thing and do the opposite but we choose to ignore that evidence and hope no one else notices it. If we want to hop in bed with a slave torturing harolt thats our right. Yes we acknowledge it's completely hypocritical but we are completely hypocritical and thats just the way it is. We say one thing then do another. We oppose closed space then kiss up to groups that do it. We condemn corp theft then help one of our member corporations execute it. We claim to want freespace yet make peace with groups that deny it. The Star Fraction reserves the right to change it's Principles of the Week at any time and thus use them as an excuse for war and violence at any time against any one. That seems to about cover it. As the Star Fraction hasn't replied to the hypocrisy they commit you may consider this a public service annoucement. Archbishop We haven't replied to the charge of hypocrisy because there is none outside your fevered desire for it. You have frenziedly stalked us on these forums for the best part of five years now trying desperately to pretend there is some inconsistency in the Fraction ideology without any success whatsoever. Your motive for doing so is known to some of us of course but even to the neutral observer you are looking increasingly threadbare and comical in your attempts to back the play of every anonymous insult proxy that coughs out an ill-considered accusation on this forum. True Knowledge
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.04.24 23:43:00 - [132] Originally by: Jade Constantine We haven't replied to the charge of hypocrisy because there is none outside your fevered desire for it. You have frenziedly stalked us on these forums for the best part of five years now trying desperately to pretend there is some inconsistency in the Fraction ideology without any success whatsoever. Your motive for doing so is known to some of us of course but even to the neutral observer you are looking increasingly threadbare and comical in your attempts to back the play of every anonymous insult proxy that coughs out an ill-considered accusation on this forum. My motive is the truth. As a man of God I am dedicated to bringing the truth into the light. I will note Jade as I am not the only one here who has asked I can only assume this is once again an attempt at diversion. Still the facts are in evidence for everyone to see. 1. You have made a peace treaty with an enclosurist alliance that seals space and even sacrificed your own "principles" by agreeing to limits on where to rat and deploy infrastructure. 2. You claim to oppose slavery and those who support the Amarr Empire yet have a personal relationship with someone who is a slaver, has tortured and killed slaves, held slave gladiator contests and (this week at least) is a supporter of the Amarr Empress. Those two glaring examples of hypocrisy are here for all too see. You have denied neither instead attempting misdirection or accusing others of "false flag" posting. It really doesn't matter at the end of the day what diversionary attempt you use because these two things are FACTS and YOU HAVE ADMITTED THEM ALREADY in past posts. You've compromised your principles whenever they become inconvenient. I think the fact you've failed to address these issues is because the only way to address them is "YES WE DID IT". You did these two things by your own admission and now on the altar of hypocrisy you stand tall. It's really that simple. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.25 00:41:00 - [133] Originally by: Archbishop more duplicate (third simultaneous thread) nonsense Really now, you can't accuse others of evading points while you are refusing to answer the questions put to you. At the moment you have the aspect of a humiliated squid squirting out jets of murky ink to hide your embarrassment at being dressed down by another Amarrian in this thread who disapproves of your begging and wheedling over standings. Try answering some questions before hurling meaningless drivel. True Knowledge
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.04.25 03:15:00 - [134] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Archbishop more duplicate (third simultaneous thread) nonsense Really now, you can't accuse others of evading points while you are refusing to answer the questions put to you. At the moment you have the aspect of a humiliated squid squirting out jets of murky ink to hide your embarrassment at being dressed down by another Amarrian in this thread who disapproves of your begging and wheedling over standings. Try answering some questions before hurling meaningless drivel. Looking up at your posts I fail to see any questions just the usual diversions from the inconveinent truths posted about you. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.04.28 15:45:00 - [135] Originally by: Jade Constantine Try answering some questions before hurling meaningless drivel. Love, talking about Archbishop, you're simply asking the impossible. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik ôThe Abyss of Hallucinations has Law and Reason; but in Truth there is no bond between the Toys of the Gods.ö
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.04.28 22:34:00 - [136] Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Jade Constantine Try answering some questions before hurling meaningless drivel. Love, talking about Archbishop, you're simply asking the impossible. Heretic Neferis, unless you have something to contribute that is worth reading for anyone but ms. Constantine, I suggest you stay out of threads that don't concern you. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.04.28 22:56:00 - [137] Originally by: Merdaneth Heretic Neferis, unless you have something to contribute that is worth reading for anyone but ms. Constantine, I suggest you stay out of threads that don't concern you. Infidel Merdaneth, your suggestion will be taken by me with same level of importance that you have at space: None. Nada, Zero. You have been spamming my lover's threads for 5 years now so I can understand that you feel yourself quite unsettled by my presence here. Get used. Or become useful to Amarr and something to yourself for a change? Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik ôThe Abyss of Hallucinations has Law and Reason; but in Truth there is no bond between the Toys of the Gods.ö
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.04 01:21:00 - [138] The Fruit Flys PESTS 24 hour notification of hostile standings. (CVA aligned false flag entity). True Knowledge
Kor Shivat Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.04 03:12:00 - [139] Originally by: Archbishop 1. You have made a peace treaty with an enclosurist alliance that seals space and even sacrificed your own "principles" by agreeing to limits on where to rat and deploy infrastructure. Let us assume, for the sake of argument, that an enclosing alliance operates at a level of restrictiveness far greater than what would be considered ideal for an "absence of coercion or violence" to flourish (whatever term we choose to apply to such an ideal, le coughe). An enclosed entity which followed such principles would not be hypocritical for operating within that enclosure, because its presence decreases the total restrictiveness of the overall space. Said another way, if you reach the enclosure, despite the restrictions of the larger alliance, you have an opportunity to experience the idealism. Hypocrisy would largely require being the enclosing alliance. Even then, the concept of "ordered liberty" recognizes a need for constraints on individual liberty, so that all participants may enjoy the highest level of freedom without enabling "citizen despots."
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.05.04 10:48:00 - [140] Originally by: Jade Constantine The Fruit Flys PESTS 24 hour notification of hostile standings. (CVA aligned false flag entity). I assume without having engaged in diplomacy with The Fruit Flys, and with denying the The Fruit Flys a diplomatic solution, and without any act of aggression on part of The Fruit Flys in space? ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery

Darveses DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.04 11:10:00 - [141] Originally by: Merdaneth I assume without having engaged in diplomacy with The Fruit Flys, and with denying the The Fruit Flys a diplomatic solution, and without any act of aggression on part of The Fruit Flys in space? Honey, didn't we have this discussion a few pages earlier? Just reread everything and replace "Merdaneth" by "Melanogaster" and "Angel Wing" by "Fruit Flys". --- The Providence Gazetteer Star Fraction YouTube Channel
D melanogaster Minmatar The Fruit Flys	Posted - 2010.05.04 13:22:00 - [142] Ahh... getting a little paranoid are we? No diplomacy was attempted. To be honest I am not aligned with CVA in the slightest.. In truth I am not a ban of your useless alliance so I'm not surprised that you would just throw me in a bucket with the rest of the haters. No matter, we see that words against you are enough to be considered KOS. I am happy to occupy a standing slot. You will find them running short soon with this type of diplomacy. It won't be long until you have an external KOS list to keep it all together. So continues the transition to what you hate most..


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