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Ion Kirst	Posted - 2010.04.21 10:29:00 - [1] While doing Enemies Abound L4, 4 of 5, I was visited by what I thought was a ninja salvager. I was in the 2nd pocket and I warped out so they could get the aggro. I warped back in to the initial accel gate, and WTF?, I had a whole lot of company. There were 7 battleships, blocking the accel gate with their drones already deployed! A Gedden, Tempest, Brutix, and 4 Ravens. DidnÆt know they were doing this all just for me. I didnÆt know that ôThe Inf1delesö had a campaign going on in the Citadel. They all began pounding away at me with everything they had. Hate to admit it, but my SNI didnÆt last very long. I was victim of a suicide gank. I filed a petition, because during the 30 sec or so that I was being attacked Concord did not show up. I even sat there for a few sec in my pod waiting for Concords intervention, but none came. I even saw the Gedden about 20 min later, I believe it was Tyconderoga (or something like that) After visiting The Inf1deles website: http://infidiles.griefwatch.net (I think I remembered the URL right) I saw that they also took out 2 Golems from my station too, the next day. I guess if they do it enough it could become profitable for them. But for suicide ganking in .5 space, concord would have eventually caught up with the infideles. I lost a lot, but they lost 7 battleships! IÆm sorry, but this time they didnÆt really make anything, my Gist XL shield booster got destroyed. That has made me feel a little bit better. However, on their website, they mention nothing about losing the 7 battleships. So any Inf1deles out there care to comment?
Widemouth Deepthroat	Posted - 2010.04.21 10:51:00 - [2] Edited by: Widemouth Deepthroat on 21/04/2010 10:51:45 they don't care about losing 7 insured battleships...also kill mail usually won't be showing if there are only npcs on it. Concord takes a bit to show up in 0.5 but it does come.
Alex Skyhunter Project Mirage	Posted - 2010.04.21 10:52:00 - [3] This belongs to C&P. You sure you were not under a wardec?
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.21 10:56:00 - [4] Originally by: Ion Kirst I filed a petition, because during the 30 sec or so that I was being attacked Concord did not show up. Ugh! ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Ion Kirst	Posted - 2010.04.21 12:02:00 - [5] Alex, this probably should have been put into C & P, but I first wanted to mention this to the mission runners. No, there is no war dec. . . . Still waiting for The Inf1deles to reply. They brag about the kills. They don't mention losing any ships, even if they do get insurance. Guess that would take away from the brag. But then, on their website they did mention about losing one ship to Concord about a week ago, so why not this time?
Jotobar	Posted - 2010.04.21 13:14:00 - [6] I usally explain to friends that eve is about ruining someones day. Hope that clears it up. 30 sec seems like alot of time but I'm no expert. If they are market savy blowing their bs up is a profit affair before counting any loot you drop, in a more realistic scenario it's probably a loss of around 100mil with the potential drops beeing worth far more in addition to a very tasty killmail and most importantly ruining someones day. Most pvp in eve consists of setting up a situation where you are superior, the only skill element apart from that is how fast you warp out (which you did fast enough) and your reasoning (which you failed misserably when warping back). Hope it didn't come out too rough, it can be tough to realize you're playing a completly different game than the rest.
Coyote Guyver Minmatar Easy Co. Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.04.21 14:57:00 - [7] You are leaving out a portion of your story. Namely, what you did with this "ninja salvager". My guess is, that you obviously unknowingly did something to give him aggression, and his buddies were ready to pounce on you now that they could do so freely. That is, assuming your timeframe is right, because CONCORD should have arrived in that timeframe. Also, stop whining and harden up.
Nika Dekaia	Posted - 2010.04.21 15:31:00 - [8] Originally by: Coyote Guyver You are leaving out a portion of your story. Namely, what you did with this "ninja salvager". My guess is, that you obviously unknowingly did something to give him aggression, and his buddies were ready to pounce on you now that they could do so freely. Even if the salvager had stolen something from the OP and he then had agressed the ninja, the ninjas corp would not be allowed to shoot the OP. So it was a simple suicide gank. In my experience, it takes CONCORD about 20 seconds to respond in a 0.5, give or take a few seconds. Maybe check your logs again. If you are at the wrong end of the gun, it might feel a bit longer. And as others have said, loosing seven insured BS with cheap fittings is nothing of a loss. They even might have made some profit from that alone. So any faction mod dropping is pure profit for them. Good for you that close to all your faction mods blew up. But those two calday Navy BCUs are still about 130 - 150 mil ISK. That's some 15 - 20 mil per suicider. And they had bad luck with your drops.
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.21 15:39:00 - [9] Originally by: Nika Dekaia Even if the salvager had stolen something from the OP and he then had agressed the ninja, the ninjas corp would not be allowed to shoot the OP. So it was a simple suicide gank. …or he was canflipped somehow. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Nika Dekaia	Posted - 2010.04.21 16:05:00 - [10] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Nika Dekaia Even if the salvager had stolen something from the OP and he then had agressed the ninja, the ninjas corp would not be allowed to shoot the OP. So it was a simple suicide gank. àor he was canflipped somehow. If he took stuff from the ninja he totally deserved what was coming.

RentableMuffin	Posted - 2010.04.21 17:20:00 - [11] pray to [JSUS] and after 20mins they are free to go again, concord aggression only lasts 15mins. good to wait 20 because you get another agro timer for showing up at the station. I have little to no sympathy to you sir. suicide ganks have been a known factor for a few years now. and with insurance what it is they probably made money by losing the ships. (might have cost them a few mil for the modules) I thought the mantra "fit cheap" was common enough by now. oh and I linked the thread to a chat channel that their ceo is in. think he might be afk or busy elsewhere though.
Shien Mallak	Posted - 2010.04.21 17:21:00 - [12] This is a official Inf1del reply GOTCHAA!!!! more to come FEEL SAFE
Jarnobi	Posted - 2010.04.21 17:35:00 - [13] Damn man im so sorry for your lost, if only i had the isk to reimburst ya, i would........for now the space is clr and safe so feel free to buy an new one and fit it with officer stufzz so can do your missions again....and you have a much better tank then if some scumbag will try it again..... I hate my members, they are all out off control, need to do some spanking now.....AFK Jarno The Inf1dels
Ion Kirst	Posted - 2010.04.21 22:01:00 - [14] You people must stop making assumptions on what I did or didn't do. Then you start discussing your assumptions among yourselves, geez. I did not aggro any one, or flip anyone's can. From my petition, CCP did say, that yes, I was suicide ganked. My question to them is, did the Infideles lose 7 battleships to Concord from their attack on me? CCP is, I think, checking on that. I was hoping the someone from the Infideles would confirm or deny. Their website says no. Let's see what more they have to say . . .
Dacryphile	Posted - 2010.04.21 23:19:00 - [15] Edited by: Dacryphile on 21/04/2010 23:23:56 Ion, I'll tell you what you did. You fitted your ship with deadspace and thought that you were safe in irjunen. 0.5 mission hub =/= safety. Looking at their killboard, I see all their suicide kills have deadspace and/or officer gear on it. Pretty easy to avoid that mistake. Some might have been targeted for sheer stupidity in fitting. Here is a clue, you don't need billion isk tank mods to do L4s quickly. Originally by: Doc Robertson ...take a good look at this pic and tell us which one is you.
Ildryn The Inf1dels En Garde	Posted - 2010.04.22 00:06:00 - [16] Losses do not get posted if the kill mail has only npcs on it. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. It was more like 8 seconds. Concord did show up. While i personally was not involved i do endorse such activities
Shadow Fore	Posted - 2010.04.22 01:07:00 - [17] Your SNI had around 70k EHP, one of those ravens could dish out around 600 dps and 5000 a volley, I dout you lasted long enough for concord to show up in a 0.5 system.
Ion Kirst	Posted - 2010.04.22 01:12:00 - [18] Edited by: Ion Kirst on 22/04/2010 01:15:23 Whew, after all this, I finally get part of an answer, so I'll spill the rest. I wanted to find out exactly had happened, CCP said I was suicide ganked. ok, I can live with that, but the delay of Concord had me thinking. I wasn't even sure if they did show up. If they never did show up, then CCP has made a mistake. If I lose my ship, they should lose theirs. Yeah, I lost a lot, but there was nothing worth anything in my salvage. Doesn't take that long to recoup my lose. Still got other L4 ships and plenty of isk. OK, Concord did show up. So were 7 battleships concorded? Because a long time ago, if the suiciders could get back to their station before Concord arrived, they could change ships, and come out and get a shuttle concorded instead of their BS. That's what I wanted to know in starting all of this, because if 7 BS's didn't get concorded, I will raise holy hell with CCP about an exploit. Still waiting to get the final word from CCP.
Shien Mallak	Posted - 2010.04.22 01:51:00 - [19] YES YOUR SHIP WAS SUICIDED.... AND YES THERE WAS LOSSES TO CONCORD But a t1 bs t1 fitted fully insured is Money in pocket when lost so .. U fail, WE WIN
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.22 06:58:00 - [20] I nominate this for "Most Unnecessary Thread of the Year". ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki

My Postman	Posted - 2010.04.22 08:29:00 - [21] I bookmarked this thread just in case in another forum is questioned again "why does eve-online don¦t have more subrcribers". This thread, and the answer from Shien Mallak tells it pretty good. Go out and suicide someone. Take as many T1 battleships T1 fitted as you want, you will come out with profit, you WIN. At least i feel a bit for the OP.
Ion Kirst	Posted - 2010.04.22 11:01:00 - [22] thanks, but don't want or need anyone's sympathy. This post has done exactly what I wanted it to do, no matter what any other ideas any of you lead yourselves to believe. I had my own agenda in all of this, and it was almost reached. Just think of my satisfaction, had discovered I was a victim of an exploit. If I had come right out and spilled my guts, ramping and raging about an exploit, do you they there would have been any admission? Worthless post of the year? Many have read it, just a few took the hook, and couldnÆt help themselves. Thru the shield of the forums, people can get up on their bully pulpits and do their oratory, as I am doing now. The remarks donÆt hurt me, I ôlaugh at the superior intellectö. Suicide ganking---you guys sure went thru a lot of time and effort for what? Must be for the few seconds of pleasure you all had. (Does that relate back to your RL too.) Buying seven battleships, buying insurance on those seven battleships, rigging those seven battleships, taking the time to scan out a system, gathering the force together, losing those seven battleships, getting really nothing from my wreck, getting the insurance money, buying seven battleships again, buying insurance on those seven battleships again, rigging those seven battleships . . . that doesnÆt sound like fun to me. So how much isk does that come out per person per hour on my behalf? Not very much, in this one you fail. But I guess there are those time you do make out well. IÆm not the only person who uses, or has used, expensive modules, on their expensive ships. Yes, it's a different game than what IÆm playing. I just wish I was smarter, I would have loved to warp back into that hornetÆs nest in a frigate. It would have been a Kodak moment to see the look on their faces. Maybe next time.
Jotobar	Posted - 2010.04.22 13:04:00 - [23] Originally by: My Postman I bookmarked this thread just in case in another forum is questioned again "why does eve-online don¦t have more subrcribers". Not that suicide ganking is the highest form of gameplay but it's a very special game with a loyal player base that has grown for 7 years straight without trying to conform. I don't know any other mmo that has kept it's heart even half that time.
Jotobar	Posted - 2010.04.22 13:09:00 - [24] Originally by: Ion Kirst I just wish I was smarter. /thread
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.22 13:26:00 - [25] Originally by: Ion Kirst Just think of my satisfaction, had discovered I was a victim of an exploit. If I had come right out and spilled my guts, ramping and raging about an exploit, do you they there would have been any admission? …or you could just have asked if there was anything strange going on without implying that you were a victim of an exploit and bothering the GMs for absolutely no good reason. People would have said no, nothing special is going on here. That would have been the end of it. Instead, you want to be lauded for not immediately pulling the tinfoil hat down over your ears… Quote: Buying seven battleships, […] that doesn’t sound like fun to me. Sounds a bit like mission-running, except with the possibility of unforeseen events and excitement. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Quantum Antomata	Posted - 2010.04.22 13:42:00 - [26] Edited by: Quantum Antomata on 22/04/2010 13:42:49 You have meta 4 CRUISE launchers on a Golem. /fail. You're missioning in a well known ganking area. /fail. And not using a DCU in said ganking area. /fail. You deserved it.
Ion Kirst	Posted - 2010.04.22 15:38:00 - [27] Your right, I should have asked: "Hi, is anybody suicide ganking in the area, dodging Concord by quickly returning to their stations and switching ships?" They could only answer one way or the other if they knew. The campaign just recently started. And the Infideles, if they even were doing it (which they weren't, do you think they would admit it? Cruise on a Golem? ahem, who is doing that? Do you even know how to read? My 7 year old grandson can read better than you. I wasn't in a Golem. Aye, I know, I'll be come a pirate too. I'll apply to the Infideles, and then maybe we'll make a friendly house call on some of you. We'll see how much a DCU helps you. This is getting off topic, and really doesn't need to be discussed any further. We all could just keep trading barbs back and forth, until someone's head pops. (Can hear the reel spinning?)
Rotopod	Posted - 2010.04.22 16:45:00 - [28] Originally by: Tippia I nominate this for "Most Unnecessary Thread of the Year". So unnecessary that you thought you'd bump it and keep it around longer. Some fine logic there.
Quantum Antomata	Posted - 2010.04.22 17:13:00 - [29] Well I missed the part where you said you were in a SNI and just saw the killmail, my bad. But really though, it doesnt matter what ship youre in, as soon as you hit structure youre going to melt. You dont seem truly incompetent but it would make sense that a DCU will in deed help save your ass; it has mine.
Ion Kirst	Posted - 2010.04.22 17:59:00 - [30] Roto: Hey Einstein, I got you to reply. Maybe I'll bump this every week . . . Quantum: ok, np, but really, in this case, I doubt the DCU would have helped. Never have gotten jumped before, and I've run hundreds of missions, sometimes 3 L4's a night. (I keep a daily log, from day one.) I guess getting jumped really caught me by surprise. I thought, oh no, this would never happen to me! (Which was another reason for this post, that I mentioned earlier, just for mission runners in my area to be on alert.) On my CNR, (that I think I might keep docked until this cools down and use my Tengu), I switch between a DCU or a Signal Amplfier, depends.



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