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Phosphorus Palladium	Posted - 2010.04.22 20:26:00 - [31] Edited by: Phosphorus Palladium on 22/04/2010 20:26:30 So huhuhu brings to light a potentially game breaking bug and you post this worthless stuff here? You never seemed very surprised about the local exploit being real. Did you use it on TQ? Maybe with your other account? Other than that, do you want exploits to remain in game? Or do you just like trolling so much you know no limits? Seriously Spank, either get back to normal, or quit EVE. Please.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.22 20:30:00 - [32] Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium You never seemed very surprised about the local exploit being real. Did you use it on TQ? Maybe with your other account? I didn't believe the exploit existed at first, you can check my post history for that information if you made a little effort. Considering how bad at pvp I am I don't see how you can accuse me of cheating. This is a genuine petition and the best you lot can do is accuse me of trolling. How can I be for exploits when I am petitioning against them? ~_~
Phosphorus Palladium	Posted - 2010.04.22 20:34:00 - [33] Originally by: Lady Spank How can I be for exploits when I am petitioning against them? Because the existance of the local bug was generally disputed until huhuhu showed it exists. Pretty much as a good BH could and should have done on sisi. Are you also asking for the banning of CCPs BHs on SISI? What in the world is in your head, I wonder.
Lady Karma	Posted - 2010.04.22 20:38:00 - [34] Originally by: Jeremey Stupid, fat PL troll. Huhuh is just reproduced on test server and bugreported an exploit that was used by Pandemic Legion's The Monkeysphere to kill common players on Tranqulity for years. Not supported. u mad?
Jeremey Glittering Dust	Posted - 2010.04.22 20:42:00 - [35] Edited by: Jeremey on 22/04/2010 20:41:50 Originally by: Lady Spank I know it was on the test server, my point is he has this knowledge at his fingertips and shouldn't be allowed unfair advantage. It's bughunter's duty and purpose defined by CCP to detect, reproduce on test server and bugreport exploits and bugs.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.22 20:46:00 - [36] Edited by: Lady Spank on 22/04/2010 20:46:54 Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium Originally by: Lady Spank How can I be for exploits when I am petitioning against them? Because the existance of the local bug was generally disputed until huhuhu showed it exists. Pretty much as a good BH could and should have done on sisi. Are you also asking for the banning of CCPs BHs on SISI? What in the world is in your head, I wonder. I think if genuine bug hunters find exploits they wouldn't discuss them publicly on the forums. The thread discussing this issue was a witch hunt to have someone removed from the game for ~maybe~ exploiting. Don't play the good customer bug hunter card here. This bug hunt was not done out of generosity or concern for the game, it was an attempt to get someone permanently banned. Originally by: Jeremey Edited by: Jeremey on 22/04/2010 20:41:50 Originally by: Lady Spank I know it was on the test server, my point is he has this knowledge at his fingertips and shouldn't be allowed unfair advantage. It's bughunter's duty and purpose defined by CCP to detect, reproduce on test server and bugreport exploits and bugs. I'm pretty sure they didn't want people posting and discussing exploits on the eve general forum. This is very unprofessional 'bug hunting'. ~_~
Phosphorus Palladium	Posted - 2010.04.22 20:55:00 - [37] Originally by: Lady Spank I think if genuine bug hunters find exploits they wouldn't discuss them publicly on the forums. The hunt for the bug started because of the forum thread, not the other way around. Meaning the thread was there first, then the bug hunt started. The only ones who can move threads to other parts of the forum are CCP. On a personal note: Do you think it is good that this bug has been reproduced and brought to CCPs attention or not? Just wondering, because you honestly leave the impression on these forums that you would rather have seen this bug go undetected by CCP.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.22 21:36:00 - [38] Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium Originally by: Lady Spank I think if genuine bug hunters find exploits they wouldn't discuss them publicly on the forums. The hunt for the bug started because of the forum thread, not the other way around. Meaning the thread was there first, then the bug hunt started. The only ones who can move threads to other parts of the forum are CCP. On a personal note: Do you think it is good that this bug has been reproduced and brought to CCPs attention or not? Just wondering, because you honestly leave the impression on these forums that you would rather have seen this bug go undetected by CCP. The existence of the thread does not justify the posting of video footage at a later date. The latest video as posted on youtube shows clear determination to pin this exploit on a single player rather than any attempt to bug hunt for peoples benefit. You can see this by the comments therein. I think it is best that exploits are reported to CCP and not showcased to the public. Discussion to a certain degree is fine naturally. In fact, often it has been necessary to open discussions up to the public in order to force CCP into action. ~_~
Phosphorus Palladium	Posted - 2010.04.22 21:55:00 - [39] Edited by: Phosphorus Palladium on 22/04/2010 22:01:40 Originally by: Lady Spank Argument Why not first answer me if you think it is good that huhuhuhu was able to reproduce this serious bug or not. (And let the players and CCP know about it.) Btw, the public videos only show the bug on SISI - NOT HOW IT IS ACHIEVED As far as I know CCP was informed on how the bug is achieved. NOT THE PLAYERS Also in one of your earlier posts you are complaining about witch hunts... What do you think you are doing in this thread? Or what about your involvement in the thread about Siig? Spank, you make no sense.
darius mclever	Posted - 2010.04.22 22:01:00 - [40] <tinfoil>maybe she wants to move the attention from their PL witches to the huhuhuhuh witch?</tinfoil>

Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.04.22 22:10:00 - [41] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 22/04/2010 22:14:03 The logs show nothing so surely nothing happened and since when does CCP accept evidence which is not the logs? You are surely delusional. The logs show nothing. Edit: no seriously, what proof does CCP have vs huhuhuhu and it doesn't have vs monkeysphere? The logs show nothing. The rest is just heresay and trolling and the logs show nothing and you cannot go around believing stuff which is not in the logs, which show nothing. Since the logs show nothing the video is obviously a fake. If CCP reproduces it, then they cannot prove huhuhuhu did it in that precise way, as the logs show nothing. Tl;dr version: the logs. They show nothing. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.22 22:16:00 - [42] Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium Edited by: Phosphorus Palladium on 22/04/2010 22:01:40 Originally by: Lady Spank Argument Why not first answer me if you think it is good that huhuhuhu was able to reproduce this serious bug or not. (And let the players and CCP know about it.) Btw, the public videos only show the bug on SISI - NOT HOW IT IS ACHIEVED As far as I know CCP was informed on how the bug is achieved. NOT THE PLAYERS Also in one of your earlier posts you are complaining about witch hunts... What do you think you are doing in this thread? Or what about your involvement in the thread about Siig? Spank, you make no sense. It's unfortunate you have issues perceiving what I am saying here. I thought it was quite clear. I do not appreciate your divisive question. I have already stated that I wish this exploit to be looked at by CCP. I also stated that I have no issue with genuine and bug reporting. If you need further clarification, I believe that bug reporting should be kept discrete. In short, not good that he can reproduce it (hence this thread), good that he reported to CCP, bad that he reported to the players. This is not a witch hunt. I just believe that anyone with access to an unfair advantage should not be given that opportunity. As such, the only person proven to have this advantage is huhuhuhuhuhuh. My involvement in the thread about Siigari is certainly not appropriate to this topic. Perhaps you could question me on that over in the relevant thread. ~_~
Jeremey Glittering Dust	Posted - 2010.04.22 22:51:00 - [43] Originally by: Lady Spank In short, not good that he can reproduce it (hence this thread), good that he reported to CCP, bad that he reported to the players. This is not a witch hunt. I just believe that anyone with access to an unfair advantage should not be given that opportunity. As such, the only person proven to have this advantage is huhuhuhuhuhuh. Sorry, you're idiot or a troll and nothing can help that. Because you're proposing to ban player (Huhuh) who helps CCP and community to find the bug, not the one (Pandemic Legion's The Monkeysphere) who exploited this bug in silence for years against real players. Just shut up and do something useful and good for community.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.22 22:56:00 - [44] Originally by: Jeremey Originally by: Lady Spank In short, not good that he can reproduce it (hence this thread), good that he reported to CCP, bad that he reported to the players. This is not a witch hunt. I just believe that anyone with access to an unfair advantage should not be given that opportunity. As such, the only person proven to have this advantage is huhuhuhuhuhuh. Sorry, you're idiot or a troll and nothing can help that. Because you're proposing to ban player (Huhuh) who helps CCP and community to find the bug, not the one (Pandemic Legion's The Monkeysphere) who exploited this bug in silence for years against real players. Just shut up and do something useful and good for community. Huhuhuhuh self admitted to knowing this exploit. Monkey did not. Please do not troll my thread and use personal insults when you cannot grasp the concept under discussion here. ~_~
Phosphorus Palladium	Posted - 2010.04.22 22:57:00 - [45] Originally by: Lady Spank It's unfortunate you have issues perceiving what I am saying here. I thought it was quite clear. Was not clear to me if you appreciated the bug being found or not. In fact, you left the contrary impression. Originally by: Lady Spank I have already stated that I wish this exploit to be looked at by CCP. Ok. We agree on this point then. Originally by: Lady Spank I also stated that I have no issue with genuine and bug reporting. Ok. Good to hear. Originally by: Lady Spank If you need further clarification, I believe that bug reporting should be kept discrete. In general I agree. We both know though that this topic was very undiscrete before the bug hunting actually started. Originally by: Lady Spank In short, not good that he can reproduce it (hence this thread),... Here is your main misunderstanding of the bug hunting process. Actually it is good if the bug can be reproduced by the bughunter. This helps in the bugreport, as the various steps needed to reproduce the bug can be passed on to the devs. If the reason for this thread realy is that someone who hunted a bug could eventually reproduce it, then this thread realy makes no sense. Originally by: Lady Spank ...good that he reported to CCP,... Agreed. Originally by: Lady Spank ...bad that he reported to the players. Many players in the main thread, especially those from PL, tried to ridicule the topic. It seems understandable to say the least that the evidence was brought forward, effectively proving that the OPs point was valid. Also, as I said earlier, what was reported to CCP and the players is quite different to my knowledge. CCP got the full bugreport including steps on how to reproduce, while the players only where shown that the bug is real (without steps on how to reproduce) Originally by: Lady Spank This is not a witch hunt. If you say so... Originally by: Lady Spank I just believe that anyone with access to an unfair advantage should not be given that opportunity. As such, the only person proven to have this advantage is huhuhuhuhuhuh. By saying that person should not be given the opportunity you mean that person should be banned? That is how I understand what you are saying, please clarify if you mean differently. It would be bad news for bug hunters if anyone who can reproduce a bug would have to be banned from TQ, since part of bughunting is reproducing the bug. Meaning all good bughunters would eventually have to be banned from TQ. I doubt this is what you want. Maybe you should think this through again. Originally by: Lady Spank My involvement in the thread about Siigari is certainly not appropriate to this topic. It is a witch hunt as well so there is a similarity, but I agree that this should not be further discussed here.
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.04.22 23:02:00 - [46] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 22/04/2010 23:03:15 Originally by: Lady Spank This is not a witch hunt. I just believe that anyone with access to an unfair advantage should not be given that opportunity. As such, the only person proven to have this advantage is huhuhuhuhuhuh. The logs. They show nothing. No, seriously; IF we are going to go by "we need definite proof to ban monkeysphere" since he's just doing, I don't know, a clever logoffski with perfect timing then we also need definite proof to ban huhuhuhu and his video is a shop and he's just trolling he can do it, right? The standard of proof is the problem; CCP's policy has always been (and in that way the petitions by the guys who got killed using the exploit were handled) is that if logs show nothing, you **** off. So using THAT standard of proof, please prove huhuhuhu was hacking. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Jeremey Glittering Dust	Posted - 2010.04.22 23:06:00 - [47] Originally by: Lady Spank Huhuhuhuh self admitted to knowing this exploit. Monkey did not. Knowing the exploit is not punshiable, only using of it. And The Monkeysphere used it for himself on Tranqulity for years, but Huhuh just discovered, reproduced it on test server and bugreported it. You're troll or idiot if you think bugreporting of exploit is possible without discovering or without knowing it. You're even more idiot, because you're effectively propose to ban any bughunter on basing that he, by sole discovery of the bug, have the opportunity to use it.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.22 23:48:00 - [48] Originally by: Jeremey Knowing the exploit is not punshiable, only using of it. And The Monkeysphere used it for himself on Tranqulity for years, but Huhuh just discovered, reproduced it on test server and bugreported it. You're troll or idiot if you think bugreporting of exploit is possible without discovering or without knowing it. You're even more idiot, because you're effectively propose to ban any bughunter on basing that he, by sole discovery of the bug, have the opportunity to use it. You're a troll or idiot if you insist on claiming as fact what is only speculation. I don't want bughunters banned but it sets a very bad precedent for people to be uncovering and discussing these exploits on the forums. That is the purpose of this proposal, that is based on fact. Your accusations of Monkey are based on speculation. You have proven yourself incapable of reasonable debate. NO respect. Originally by: Cpt Branko No, seriously; IF we are going to go by "we need definite proof to ban monkeysphere" since he's just doing, I don't know, a clever logoffski with perfect timing then we also need definite proof to ban huhuhuhu and his video is a shop and he's just trolling he can do it, right? This is a very reasonable point. Thank you for not resorting to petty name calling and speculation like others here. Respect. ~_~
Doggy Dogwoofwoof	Posted - 2010.04.23 02:00:00 - [49] lady listen. to show what the bug is he HAS to reproduce it. he didn't tell the player base and he isnt using on TQ. u have no argument against huhuhhuh. really ur just not listening to what were saying
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.23 02:28:00 - [50] Originally by: Doggy Dogwoofwoof u have no argument against huhuhhuh I have a stronger argument than you do against the monkeysphere. ~_~

Doggy Dogwoofwoof	Posted - 2010.04.23 02:31:00 - [51] no u dont. listen doing what ur suppose to do isnt bannable. thats what were are saying. the purpse of the test server is to find bugs and exploits and tell ccp about them. that is what huhuhuh did which is why he dosent need banned.
Jeremey Glittering Dust	Posted - 2010.04.23 02:35:00 - [52] Edited by: Jeremey on 23/04/2010 02:37:58 Originally by: Lady Spank I don't want bughunters banned but it sets a very bad precedent for people to be uncovering and discussing these exploits on the forums. Discussion on this exploit started not by Huhus, but due to The Monkeysphere actions (legitimate or not) and whine of his victims. Also Huhus haven't disclosed to players how to USE that exploit. So in what are you accusing Huhus? Originally by: Lady Spank That is the purpose of this proposal, that is based on fact. Your accusations of Monkey are based on speculation. On what "fact"? You're accusing Huhus basing on video, but there is screenshot from The Monkeysphere (lol internets is his alt) where he is not in local, which means that he is using exploit on Tranqulity. But, anyway, it doesn't revokes the fact that your proposal of banning bugreporter instead of exploit user is just idiotic. Understand that.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.23 02:46:00 - [53] Originally by: Jeremey Edited by: Jeremey on 23/04/2010 02:37:58 Originally by: Lady Spank I don't want bughunters banned but it sets a very bad precedent for people to be uncovering and discussing these exploits on the forums. Discussion on this exploit started not by Huhus, but due to The Monkeysphere actions (legitimate or not) and whine of his victims. Also Huhus haven't disclosed to players how to USE that exploit. So in what are you accusing Huhus? Originally by: Lady Spank That is the purpose of this proposal, that is based on fact. Your accusations of Monkey are based on speculation. On what "fact"? You're accusing Huhus basing on video, but there is screenshot from The Monkeysphere (lol internets is his alt) where he is not in local, which means that he is using exploit on Tranqulity. But, anyway, it doesn't revokes the fact that your proposal of banning bugreporter instead of exploit user is just idiotic. Understand that. There is no circumstance where Local indicates Local [1] as indicated in that image which was clearly a troll against the people speculating with no true facts. That image is a fake. ~_~
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.23 02:48:00 - [54] Originally by: Jeremey Edited by: Jeremey on 23/04/2010 02:37:58 Originally by: Lady Spank I don't want bughunters banned but it sets a very bad precedent for people to be uncovering and discussing these exploits on the forums. Discussion on this exploit started not by Huhus, but due to The Monkeysphere actions (legitimate or not) and whine of his victims. Also Huhus haven't disclosed to players how to USE that exploit. So in what are you accusing Huhus? Originally by: Lady Spank That is the purpose of this proposal, that is based on fact. Your accusations of Monkey are based on speculation. On what "fact"? You're accusing Huhus basing on video, but there is screenshot from The Monkeysphere (lol internets is his alt) where he is not in local, which means that he is using exploit on Tranqulity. But, anyway, it doesn't revokes the fact that your proposal of banning bugreporter instead of exploit user is just idiotic. Understand that. There is no circumstance where Local indicates Local [1] as indicated in that image which was clearly a troll against the people speculating with no true facts. That image is a fake. You are just furthering the evidence that you are incapable of discerning fact from fiction. ~_~
Dianeces SiN. Corp Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2010.04.23 02:48:00 - [55] Originally by: Jeremey Originally by: Lady Spank That is the purpose of this proposal, that is based on fact. Your accusations of Monkey are based on speculation. On what "fact"? You're accusing Huhus basing on video, but there is screenshot from The Monkeysphere (lol internets is his alt) where he is not in local, which means that he is using exploit on Tranqulity. Ahahahahahahahahahahah. Don't stop belieeeeeevin'~
Jeremey Glittering Dust	Posted - 2010.04.23 02:49:00 - [56] Edited by: Jeremey on 23/04/2010 02:51:06 Originally by: Dianeces Don't stop belieeeeeevin'~ Hold to that feeeeling Люди фонарный столб Originally by: Lady Spank There is no circumstance where Local indicates Local [1] as indicated in that image which was clearly a troll against the people speculating with no true facts. That image is a fake. You are just furthering the evidence that you are incapable of discerning fact from fiction. Huhus videos are fakes too, haven't you know?
SetrakDark DarkCorp Holdings	Posted - 2010.04.23 02:49:00 - [57] Bug-hunting shouldn't be used as a cover for the creation and public demonstration of exploits all in the name of a witch-hunt to protect macroers who are having their macros gamed by legitimate means. Poor judgment on the creators part, though I can sympathize somewhat with his personal income being threatened by the brave and noble efforts of our latest and greatest Eve hero, The Monkeysphere.
cigarellos Path of Now and Forever	Posted - 2010.04.23 02:50:00 - [58] Edited by: cigarellos on 23/04/2010 02:54:05 Originally by: Lady Spank The Character Huhuhuhuhuhuh has posted video evidence of his ability to exploit the eve client in order to mask his appearance in local. This gives him an unfair advantage over others and until the exploit he discovered is fixed I propose that he be banned from the game. This also goes for anyone else that has demonstrated their participation in this nefarious breach of the EULA. You are a fantastic poster. Keep these threads coming! As much as I would like to spank the troll out of you with a bat I must admit you have a valid point. However; -What is going to keep Huhu from opening/buying a new account if he gets banned before the exploit is fixed? -What do you think will be accomplished by banning or not banning Huhu? For all we know he was the one who stepped up to the plate and made the exploit public. Legally or illegally it really doesn't matter, the truth is out. Have Huhu sign a Non Disclousure Agreement with CCP until exploit is fixed, if it makes you feel better. What matters at this very moment and should be #1 priority is to fix the exploit. Do you understand this? Troll more, -cig edit: CPP*
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.23 02:57:00 - [59] Originally by: Dianeces Originally by: Jeremey Originally by: Lady Spank That is the purpose of this proposal, that is based on fact. Your accusations of Monkey are based on speculation. On what "fact"? You're accusing Huhus basing on video, but there is screenshot from The Monkeysphere (lol internets is his alt) where he is not in local, which means that he is using exploit on Tranqulity. Ahahahahahahahahahahah. Don't stop belieeeeeevin'~ Hi Dian, please remember to support my proposal in case you forgot. I would like to present some further information that has come to light which I find highly relevant. Originally by: Ranka Mei Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium Originally by: Grath Telkin Its easy to find out who used it, they've openly fraps'd themselves purposely hacking the SiSi client, and then posted the evidence in this thread. Pretty sure thats a clear cut case. Don't be silly. Part of bughunting is reproducing the bug. You should thank huhuhu for his efforts. FYI, actually all of what these folks did is illegal, as per the Terms of Service (relevant parts highlighted): 21) You will not attempt to decipher, hack into or interfere with any transmissions to or from the EVE Online servers, nor will you try to create or use any third party add-ons, extras or tools for the game. 23) You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website. Even asking folks to reproduce and publish the exploit is, strictly spoken, against the rules: 29) You will not encourage others to break these rules* or any rules set forth in relation to EVE OnlineÆs game service or web site.* I hope CCP shows some common-sense leniency towards those who helped bring this exploit to light, though. ~_~
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.23 03:05:00 - [60] Originally by: cigarellos Edited by: cigarellos on 23/04/2010 02:54:05 Originally by: Lady Spank The Character Huhuhuhuhuhuh has posted video evidence of his ability to exploit the eve client in order to mask his appearance in local. This gives him an unfair advantage over others and until the exploit he discovered is fixed I propose that he be banned from the game. This also goes for anyone else that has demonstrated their participation in this nefarious breach of the EULA. You are a fantastic poster. Keep these threads coming! As much as I would like to spank the troll out of you with a bat I must admit you have a valid point. However; -What is going to keep Huhu from opening/buying a new account if he gets banned before the exploit is fixed? -What do you think will be accomplished by banning or not banning Huhu? For all we know he was the one who stepped up to the plate and made the exploit public. Legally or illegally it really doesn't matter, the truth is out. Have Huhu sign a Non Disclousure Agreement with CCP until exploit is fixed, if it makes you feel better. What matters at this very moment and should be #1 priority is to fix the exploit. Do you understand this? Troll more, -cig edit: CPP* Thank you, I try my best to remain objective with my posting. As a bystander I believe I can maintain this stance. As for your personal threat it is not appreciated. I believe huhuhuhuh can create a new character if he chooses but with limited skills his exploitation will be less effective. A signed NDA would be acceptable had he not already made significant information already available for people to act on. Regardless the key point is he has demonstrated his ability to exploit local to his advantage and must not be allowed to use this. The only fair way is to ban him temporarily while CCP quickly implement their emergency solution. Of course the fix for this exploit huhuhuhu is in possession of is of utmost importance. Again, hence this petition. ~_~



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