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Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:42:00 - [1] The Character Huhuhuhuhuhuh has posted video evidence of his ability to exploit the eve client in order to mask his appearance in local. This gives him an unfair advantage over others and until the exploit he discovered is fixed I propose that he be banned from the game. This also goes for anyone else that has demonstrated their participation in this nefarious breach of the EULA. Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha - I did not tamper a game client and break the EULA to force it in the developers skins to potentially slow down the work in the expansion and only deal with your pretend immediate WANTS. Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh Bug is bug, test server is test server. Bugs should be fixed. That's all. Proof ~_~
Boss Lemming BOUNTY. HUNTER. MINING. EXSPLORATION. CORPORATION. HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:49:00 - [2] I mask my presence in local by not logging in. Originally by: Alchemist's Alt I stopped mining because you mean pirates kept blowing me up.[...] now I am doing all the blowing up. Shadow
Lady Spank Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:54:00 - [3] That's a good tactic Boss Lemming. It also stops you getting killed as easily, just watch out for micro smartbombs when you log off. Obligatory support your own thread ~_~
darius mclever	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:55:00 - [4] and the inquisition continues, burn them all. I thought we grew out of that when we left the middle ages, but I guess I was wrong.
Boomershoot Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.04.22 15:11:00 - [5] Since you're still allowed to post i see no reason for CCP to stop Huhuhuhuhuhuh from playing either.
Kadesh Priestess Scalding Chill	Posted - 2010.04.22 15:26:00 - [6] Yes, ban him from test server !
Jinghua R.u.S.H. - Fanatics Ultima Rati0	Posted - 2010.04.22 15:27:00 - [7] lmao
Certero Hades and Charon funeral parlour	Posted - 2010.04.22 15:29:00 - [8] Edited by: Certero on 22/04/2010 15:30:42 Edited by: Certero on 22/04/2010 15:29:14 While Monkey is not banned huhuhu can not be banned too! We have evidence that Monkey used this exploit on TRANQUILITY!!! And there are no bugreport from him! But huhuhuh reproduced it on sisi and bugreported this exploit to stop Monkey from doin it on tranq! Kill Monkey!!! Kill! PS: and if we want to be serious, ccp server logs don't show anything! No evidence from server logs on Monkey or Huhuhuh... screenshots and fraps are not permitted by ccp
woarus	Posted - 2010.04.22 15:35:00 - [9] huhuhuhuh reproduced this exploit for bugreported ban Monkey !!!
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.22 15:41:00 - [10] There is only speculation surrounding Monkey's use of no local while huhuhuhuh has discussed and been caught on fraps with the ability to bypass local. ban huhuhuhuhhuhuhuhu monkey has not claimed the ability to exploit while huhuhuh has. ~_~

Certero Hades and Charon funeral parlour	Posted - 2010.04.22 15:46:00 - [11] Edited by: Certero on 22/04/2010 15:45:52 Originally by: Lady Spank There is only speculation surrounding Monkey's use of no local while huhuhuhuh has discussed and been caught on fraps with the ability to bypass local. ok. you may continue it as long as you like just for you to remember - player may be banned only by server logs, no screenshots, no fraps... good luck with it!
darius mclever	Posted - 2010.04.22 15:46:00 - [12] Originally by: Lady Spank There is only speculation surrounding Monkey's use of no local while huhuhuhuh has discussed and been caught on fraps with the ability to bypass local. ban huhuhuhuhhuhuhuhu monkey has not claimed the ability to exploit while huhuhuh has. so that monkey and lolinternet were farming russians like crazy is no proof? but as i said ... the inquisition is running! get the pitchforks and torches.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.22 15:51:00 - [13] Originally by: darius mclever so that monkey and lolinternet were farming russians like crazy is no proof? I'd hate to have you as a judge. ~_~
Certero Hades and Charon funeral parlour	Posted - 2010.04.22 15:51:00 - [14] i can use gm-console!!! I need to be banned!!! I claimed the ability to use it!!! I need to be banned as soon as possible or i'll use my "I-WIN" button on any target i like! Remember you maybe my next victim! You need to hurry! Send new petition!
HiddenBroker	Posted - 2010.04.22 15:56:00 - [15] Edited by: HiddenBroker on 22/04/2010 15:56:38 I think it's fake. You easily can do it in any video editor. You look like fools guys.
Caine Dreamwalker Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.04.22 16:05:00 - [16] Totally agree. Also I demand to ban all BH team on SiSi, since they probably will try to reproduce this exploit! And QA team too. Just joking, of course.
Marked Ugler Minmatar	Posted - 2010.04.22 16:10:00 - [17] Can we ban all idiots from the assembly hall?
Certero Hades and Charon funeral parlour	Posted - 2010.04.22 16:18:00 - [18] Originally by: Marked Ugler Can we ban all idiots from the assembly hall? Easily! Just need to send petition.
Gunnanmon Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.04.22 17:05:00 - [19] Originally by: Marked Ugler Can we ban all idiots from the assembly hall? Or even better, ban all posts in the Assembly Hall. They're utterly useless, anyway. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.22 17:46:00 - [20] Originally by: Certero While Monkey is not banned huhuhu can not be banned too! We have evidence that Monkey used this exploit on TRANQUILITY!!! post evidence plzkthx.

Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.22 17:58:00 - [21] Don't forget to show your support for this important issue please. ~_~
Manalapan Dynasty Banking General Tso's Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.22 18:01:00 - [22] I am suprised this thread is still here... Support Manalapan for CSM! We must stand together against the oppressive neo-carebears. A vote for Manalapan is a vote for Scammers and Griefers everywhere! [url="http://www.dyco-eve.com/manalap
AlexK100	Posted - 2010.04.22 18:40:00 - [23] I hereby suggest to ban all posters above me!
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2010.04.22 18:45:00 - [24] Originally by: Xtover Originally by: Certero While Monkey is not banned huhuhu can not be banned too! We have evidence that Monkey used this exploit on TRANQUILITY!!! post evidence plzkthx. Speaking of posting evidence. Why don't you tell us one of your cool safe cracking stories? ...
Duuremaar	Posted - 2010.04.22 19:27:00 - [25] The citation (Vovick 4/22/2010, 11:49) * To simply i see that is not enough of it, and the variant of threats of public distribution can and not go on. The citation (***)What else threats? Anybody also did not think to threaten CCP. Simply if it not fixed a bug within one and a half weeks, prompts something to me that exploit will appear in open access as separate tool => it will begin in large quantities will use => CCP is compelled to correct a bug. This citations are from EVE-RU.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2010.04.22 19:28:00 - [26] CCP has stated that local was never intended to be used as an intel tool. I have therefore petitioned everyone, including myself and my alts, for exploiting local in this fashion. Our imminent permabans shall be a sharp warning to all other would-be miscreants!
Bagehi Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.04.22 19:58:00 - [27] Perhaps an exploit like this (if it gets out of control) will force CCP to make changes and/or fix local. Similar to the way that the POS bug (which broke the stranglehold on certain types of moon gold by certain entities in 0.0) led to the ability to synthesize moon gold with more common moon gold. This signature is useless, but it is red.
Stil Harkonnen	Posted - 2010.04.22 20:16:00 - [28] didn't huhuhuhuh do it on the test server? which isn't considered exploiting? And just like monkey, until we have hard evidence, and nobody claims its faked, he won't be banned ****** (re-tard)
Jeremey Glittering Dust	Posted - 2010.04.22 20:22:00 - [29] Edited by: Jeremey on 22/04/2010 20:22:56 Originally by: Lady Spank The Character Huhuhuhuhuhuh has posted video evidence of his ability to exploit the eve client in order to mask his appearance in local. This gives him an unfair advantage over others and until the exploit he discovered is fixed I propose that he be banned from the game. Stupid, fat PL troll. Huhuh is just reproduced on test server and bugreported an exploit that was used by Pandemic Legion's The Monkeysphere to kill common players on Tranqulity for years. Not supported.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.22 20:25:00 - [30] Edited by: Lady Spank on 22/04/2010 20:25:53 Originally by: Jeremey Edited by: Jeremey on 22/04/2010 20:22:56 Originally by: Lady Spank The Character Huhuhuhuhuhuh has posted video evidence of his ability to exploit the eve client in order to mask his appearance in local. This gives him an unfair advantage over others and until the exploit he discovered is fixed I propose that he be banned from the game. Stupid, fat PL troll. Huhuh is just reproduced on test server and bugreported an exploit that was used by Pandemic Legion's The Monkeysphere to kill common players on Tranqulity for years. Not supported. I'm not PL I'm not trolling I know it was on the test server, my point is he has this knowledge at his fingertips and shouldn't be allowed unfair advantage. Please reconsider as you seem to be against exploiters. I'm not fat either, please leave personal insults out of this. ~_~

Phosphorus Palladium	Posted - 2010.04.22 20:26:00 - [31] Edited by: Phosphorus Palladium on 22/04/2010 20:26:30 So huhuhu brings to light a potentially game breaking bug and you post this worthless stuff here? You never seemed very surprised about the local exploit being real. Did you use it on TQ? Maybe with your other account? Other than that, do you want exploits to remain in game? Or do you just like trolling so much you know no limits? Seriously Spank, either get back to normal, or quit EVE. Please.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.22 20:30:00 - [32] Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium You never seemed very surprised about the local exploit being real. Did you use it on TQ? Maybe with your other account? I didn't believe the exploit existed at first, you can check my post history for that information if you made a little effort. Considering how bad at pvp I am I don't see how you can accuse me of cheating. This is a genuine petition and the best you lot can do is accuse me of trolling. How can I be for exploits when I am petitioning against them? ~_~
Phosphorus Palladium	Posted - 2010.04.22 20:34:00 - [33] Originally by: Lady Spank How can I be for exploits when I am petitioning against them? Because the existance of the local bug was generally disputed until huhuhu showed it exists. Pretty much as a good BH could and should have done on sisi. Are you also asking for the banning of CCPs BHs on SISI? What in the world is in your head, I wonder.
Lady Karma	Posted - 2010.04.22 20:38:00 - [34] Originally by: Jeremey Stupid, fat PL troll. Huhuh is just reproduced on test server and bugreported an exploit that was used by Pandemic Legion's The Monkeysphere to kill common players on Tranqulity for years. Not supported. u mad?
Jeremey Glittering Dust	Posted - 2010.04.22 20:42:00 - [35] Edited by: Jeremey on 22/04/2010 20:41:50 Originally by: Lady Spank I know it was on the test server, my point is he has this knowledge at his fingertips and shouldn't be allowed unfair advantage. It's bughunter's duty and purpose defined by CCP to detect, reproduce on test server and bugreport exploits and bugs.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.22 20:46:00 - [36] Edited by: Lady Spank on 22/04/2010 20:46:54 Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium Originally by: Lady Spank How can I be for exploits when I am petitioning against them? Because the existance of the local bug was generally disputed until huhuhu showed it exists. Pretty much as a good BH could and should have done on sisi. Are you also asking for the banning of CCPs BHs on SISI? What in the world is in your head, I wonder. I think if genuine bug hunters find exploits they wouldn't discuss them publicly on the forums. The thread discussing this issue was a witch hunt to have someone removed from the game for ~maybe~ exploiting. Don't play the good customer bug hunter card here. This bug hunt was not done out of generosity or concern for the game, it was an attempt to get someone permanently banned. Originally by: Jeremey Edited by: Jeremey on 22/04/2010 20:41:50 Originally by: Lady Spank I know it was on the test server, my point is he has this knowledge at his fingertips and shouldn't be allowed unfair advantage. It's bughunter's duty and purpose defined by CCP to detect, reproduce on test server and bugreport exploits and bugs. I'm pretty sure they didn't want people posting and discussing exploits on the eve general forum. This is very unprofessional 'bug hunting'. ~_~
Phosphorus Palladium	Posted - 2010.04.22 20:55:00 - [37] Originally by: Lady Spank I think if genuine bug hunters find exploits they wouldn't discuss them publicly on the forums. The hunt for the bug started because of the forum thread, not the other way around. Meaning the thread was there first, then the bug hunt started. The only ones who can move threads to other parts of the forum are CCP. On a personal note: Do you think it is good that this bug has been reproduced and brought to CCPs attention or not? Just wondering, because you honestly leave the impression on these forums that you would rather have seen this bug go undetected by CCP.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.22 21:36:00 - [38] Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium Originally by: Lady Spank I think if genuine bug hunters find exploits they wouldn't discuss them publicly on the forums. The hunt for the bug started because of the forum thread, not the other way around. Meaning the thread was there first, then the bug hunt started. The only ones who can move threads to other parts of the forum are CCP. On a personal note: Do you think it is good that this bug has been reproduced and brought to CCPs attention or not? Just wondering, because you honestly leave the impression on these forums that you would rather have seen this bug go undetected by CCP. The existence of the thread does not justify the posting of video footage at a later date. The latest video as posted on youtube shows clear determination to pin this exploit on a single player rather than any attempt to bug hunt for peoples benefit. You can see this by the comments therein. I think it is best that exploits are reported to CCP and not showcased to the public. Discussion to a certain degree is fine naturally. In fact, often it has been necessary to open discussions up to the public in order to force CCP into action. ~_~
Phosphorus Palladium	Posted - 2010.04.22 21:55:00 - [39] Edited by: Phosphorus Palladium on 22/04/2010 22:01:40 Originally by: Lady Spank Argument Why not first answer me if you think it is good that huhuhuhu was able to reproduce this serious bug or not. (And let the players and CCP know about it.) Btw, the public videos only show the bug on SISI - NOT HOW IT IS ACHIEVED As far as I know CCP was informed on how the bug is achieved. NOT THE PLAYERS Also in one of your earlier posts you are complaining about witch hunts... What do you think you are doing in this thread? Or what about your involvement in the thread about Siig? Spank, you make no sense.
darius mclever	Posted - 2010.04.22 22:01:00 - [40] <tinfoil>maybe she wants to move the attention from their PL witches to the huhuhuhuh witch?</tinfoil>

Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.04.22 22:10:00 - [41] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 22/04/2010 22:14:03 The logs show nothing so surely nothing happened and since when does CCP accept evidence which is not the logs? You are surely delusional. The logs show nothing. Edit: no seriously, what proof does CCP have vs huhuhuhu and it doesn't have vs monkeysphere? The logs show nothing. The rest is just heresay and trolling and the logs show nothing and you cannot go around believing stuff which is not in the logs, which show nothing. Since the logs show nothing the video is obviously a fake. If CCP reproduces it, then they cannot prove huhuhuhu did it in that precise way, as the logs show nothing. Tl;dr version: the logs. They show nothing. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.22 22:16:00 - [42] Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium Edited by: Phosphorus Palladium on 22/04/2010 22:01:40 Originally by: Lady Spank Argument Why not first answer me if you think it is good that huhuhuhu was able to reproduce this serious bug or not. (And let the players and CCP know about it.) Btw, the public videos only show the bug on SISI - NOT HOW IT IS ACHIEVED As far as I know CCP was informed on how the bug is achieved. NOT THE PLAYERS Also in one of your earlier posts you are complaining about witch hunts... What do you think you are doing in this thread? Or what about your involvement in the thread about Siig? Spank, you make no sense. It's unfortunate you have issues perceiving what I am saying here. I thought it was quite clear. I do not appreciate your divisive question. I have already stated that I wish this exploit to be looked at by CCP. I also stated that I have no issue with genuine and bug reporting. If you need further clarification, I believe that bug reporting should be kept discrete. In short, not good that he can reproduce it (hence this thread), good that he reported to CCP, bad that he reported to the players. This is not a witch hunt. I just believe that anyone with access to an unfair advantage should not be given that opportunity. As such, the only person proven to have this advantage is huhuhuhuhuhuh. My involvement in the thread about Siigari is certainly not appropriate to this topic. Perhaps you could question me on that over in the relevant thread. ~_~
Jeremey Glittering Dust	Posted - 2010.04.22 22:51:00 - [43] Originally by: Lady Spank In short, not good that he can reproduce it (hence this thread), good that he reported to CCP, bad that he reported to the players. This is not a witch hunt. I just believe that anyone with access to an unfair advantage should not be given that opportunity. As such, the only person proven to have this advantage is huhuhuhuhuhuh. Sorry, you're idiot or a troll and nothing can help that. Because you're proposing to ban player (Huhuh) who helps CCP and community to find the bug, not the one (Pandemic Legion's The Monkeysphere) who exploited this bug in silence for years against real players. Just shut up and do something useful and good for community.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.22 22:56:00 - [44] Originally by: Jeremey Originally by: Lady Spank In short, not good that he can reproduce it (hence this thread), good that he reported to CCP, bad that he reported to the players. This is not a witch hunt. I just believe that anyone with access to an unfair advantage should not be given that opportunity. As such, the only person proven to have this advantage is huhuhuhuhuhuh. Sorry, you're idiot or a troll and nothing can help that. Because you're proposing to ban player (Huhuh) who helps CCP and community to find the bug, not the one (Pandemic Legion's The Monkeysphere) who exploited this bug in silence for years against real players. Just shut up and do something useful and good for community. Huhuhuhuh self admitted to knowing this exploit. Monkey did not. Please do not troll my thread and use personal insults when you cannot grasp the concept under discussion here. ~_~
Phosphorus Palladium	Posted - 2010.04.22 22:57:00 - [45] Originally by: Lady Spank It's unfortunate you have issues perceiving what I am saying here. I thought it was quite clear. Was not clear to me if you appreciated the bug being found or not. In fact, you left the contrary impression. Originally by: Lady Spank I have already stated that I wish this exploit to be looked at by CCP. Ok. We agree on this point then. Originally by: Lady Spank I also stated that I have no issue with genuine and bug reporting. Ok. Good to hear. Originally by: Lady Spank If you need further clarification, I believe that bug reporting should be kept discrete. In general I agree. We both know though that this topic was very undiscrete before the bug hunting actually started. Originally by: Lady Spank In short, not good that he can reproduce it (hence this thread),... Here is your main misunderstanding of the bug hunting process. Actually it is good if the bug can be reproduced by the bughunter. This helps in the bugreport, as the various steps needed to reproduce the bug can be passed on to the devs. If the reason for this thread realy is that someone who hunted a bug could eventually reproduce it, then this thread realy makes no sense. Originally by: Lady Spank ...good that he reported to CCP,... Agreed. Originally by: Lady Spank ...bad that he reported to the players. Many players in the main thread, especially those from PL, tried to ridicule the topic. It seems understandable to say the least that the evidence was brought forward, effectively proving that the OPs point was valid. Also, as I said earlier, what was reported to CCP and the players is quite different to my knowledge. CCP got the full bugreport including steps on how to reproduce, while the players only where shown that the bug is real (without steps on how to reproduce) Originally by: Lady Spank This is not a witch hunt. If you say so... Originally by: Lady Spank I just believe that anyone with access to an unfair advantage should not be given that opportunity. As such, the only person proven to have this advantage is huhuhuhuhuhuh. By saying that person should not be given the opportunity you mean that person should be banned? That is how I understand what you are saying, please clarify if you mean differently. It would be bad news for bug hunters if anyone who can reproduce a bug would have to be banned from TQ, since part of bughunting is reproducing the bug. Meaning all good bughunters would eventually have to be banned from TQ. I doubt this is what you want. Maybe you should think this through again. Originally by: Lady Spank My involvement in the thread about Siigari is certainly not appropriate to this topic. It is a witch hunt as well so there is a similarity, but I agree that this should not be further discussed here.
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.04.22 23:02:00 - [46] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 22/04/2010 23:03:15 Originally by: Lady Spank This is not a witch hunt. I just believe that anyone with access to an unfair advantage should not be given that opportunity. As such, the only person proven to have this advantage is huhuhuhuhuhuh. The logs. They show nothing. No, seriously; IF we are going to go by "we need definite proof to ban monkeysphere" since he's just doing, I don't know, a clever logoffski with perfect timing then we also need definite proof to ban huhuhuhu and his video is a shop and he's just trolling he can do it, right? The standard of proof is the problem; CCP's policy has always been (and in that way the petitions by the guys who got killed using the exploit were handled) is that if logs show nothing, you **** off. So using THAT standard of proof, please prove huhuhuhu was hacking. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Jeremey Glittering Dust	Posted - 2010.04.22 23:06:00 - [47] Originally by: Lady Spank Huhuhuhuh self admitted to knowing this exploit. Monkey did not. Knowing the exploit is not punshiable, only using of it. And The Monkeysphere used it for himself on Tranqulity for years, but Huhuh just discovered, reproduced it on test server and bugreported it. You're troll or idiot if you think bugreporting of exploit is possible without discovering or without knowing it. You're even more idiot, because you're effectively propose to ban any bughunter on basing that he, by sole discovery of the bug, have the opportunity to use it.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.22 23:48:00 - [48] Originally by: Jeremey Knowing the exploit is not punshiable, only using of it. And The Monkeysphere used it for himself on Tranqulity for years, but Huhuh just discovered, reproduced it on test server and bugreported it. You're troll or idiot if you think bugreporting of exploit is possible without discovering or without knowing it. You're even more idiot, because you're effectively propose to ban any bughunter on basing that he, by sole discovery of the bug, have the opportunity to use it. You're a troll or idiot if you insist on claiming as fact what is only speculation. I don't want bughunters banned but it sets a very bad precedent for people to be uncovering and discussing these exploits on the forums. That is the purpose of this proposal, that is based on fact. Your accusations of Monkey are based on speculation. You have proven yourself incapable of reasonable debate. NO respect. Originally by: Cpt Branko No, seriously; IF we are going to go by "we need definite proof to ban monkeysphere" since he's just doing, I don't know, a clever logoffski with perfect timing then we also need definite proof to ban huhuhuhu and his video is a shop and he's just trolling he can do it, right? This is a very reasonable point. Thank you for not resorting to petty name calling and speculation like others here. Respect. ~_~
Doggy Dogwoofwoof	Posted - 2010.04.23 02:00:00 - [49] lady listen. to show what the bug is he HAS to reproduce it. he didn't tell the player base and he isnt using on TQ. u have no argument against huhuhhuh. really ur just not listening to what were saying
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.23 02:28:00 - [50] Originally by: Doggy Dogwoofwoof u have no argument against huhuhhuh I have a stronger argument than you do against the monkeysphere. ~_~

Doggy Dogwoofwoof	Posted - 2010.04.23 02:31:00 - [51] no u dont. listen doing what ur suppose to do isnt bannable. thats what were are saying. the purpse of the test server is to find bugs and exploits and tell ccp about them. that is what huhuhuh did which is why he dosent need banned.
Jeremey Glittering Dust	Posted - 2010.04.23 02:35:00 - [52] Edited by: Jeremey on 23/04/2010 02:37:58 Originally by: Lady Spank I don't want bughunters banned but it sets a very bad precedent for people to be uncovering and discussing these exploits on the forums. Discussion on this exploit started not by Huhus, but due to The Monkeysphere actions (legitimate or not) and whine of his victims. Also Huhus haven't disclosed to players how to USE that exploit. So in what are you accusing Huhus? Originally by: Lady Spank That is the purpose of this proposal, that is based on fact. Your accusations of Monkey are based on speculation. On what "fact"? You're accusing Huhus basing on video, but there is screenshot from The Monkeysphere (lol internets is his alt) where he is not in local, which means that he is using exploit on Tranqulity. But, anyway, it doesn't revokes the fact that your proposal of banning bugreporter instead of exploit user is just idiotic. Understand that.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.23 02:46:00 - [53] Originally by: Jeremey Edited by: Jeremey on 23/04/2010 02:37:58 Originally by: Lady Spank I don't want bughunters banned but it sets a very bad precedent for people to be uncovering and discussing these exploits on the forums. Discussion on this exploit started not by Huhus, but due to The Monkeysphere actions (legitimate or not) and whine of his victims. Also Huhus haven't disclosed to players how to USE that exploit. So in what are you accusing Huhus? Originally by: Lady Spank That is the purpose of this proposal, that is based on fact. Your accusations of Monkey are based on speculation. On what "fact"? You're accusing Huhus basing on video, but there is screenshot from The Monkeysphere (lol internets is his alt) where he is not in local, which means that he is using exploit on Tranqulity. But, anyway, it doesn't revokes the fact that your proposal of banning bugreporter instead of exploit user is just idiotic. Understand that. There is no circumstance where Local indicates Local [1] as indicated in that image which was clearly a troll against the people speculating with no true facts. That image is a fake. ~_~
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.23 02:48:00 - [54] Originally by: Jeremey Edited by: Jeremey on 23/04/2010 02:37:58 Originally by: Lady Spank I don't want bughunters banned but it sets a very bad precedent for people to be uncovering and discussing these exploits on the forums. Discussion on this exploit started not by Huhus, but due to The Monkeysphere actions (legitimate or not) and whine of his victims. Also Huhus haven't disclosed to players how to USE that exploit. So in what are you accusing Huhus? Originally by: Lady Spank That is the purpose of this proposal, that is based on fact. Your accusations of Monkey are based on speculation. On what "fact"? You're accusing Huhus basing on video, but there is screenshot from The Monkeysphere (lol internets is his alt) where he is not in local, which means that he is using exploit on Tranqulity. But, anyway, it doesn't revokes the fact that your proposal of banning bugreporter instead of exploit user is just idiotic. Understand that. There is no circumstance where Local indicates Local [1] as indicated in that image which was clearly a troll against the people speculating with no true facts. That image is a fake. You are just furthering the evidence that you are incapable of discerning fact from fiction. ~_~
Dianeces SiN. Corp Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2010.04.23 02:48:00 - [55] Originally by: Jeremey Originally by: Lady Spank That is the purpose of this proposal, that is based on fact. Your accusations of Monkey are based on speculation. On what "fact"? You're accusing Huhus basing on video, but there is screenshot from The Monkeysphere (lol internets is his alt) where he is not in local, which means that he is using exploit on Tranqulity. Ahahahahahahahahahahah. Don't stop belieeeeeevin'~
Jeremey Glittering Dust	Posted - 2010.04.23 02:49:00 - [56] Edited by: Jeremey on 23/04/2010 02:51:06 Originally by: Dianeces Don't stop belieeeeeevin'~ Hold to that feeeeling Люди фонарный столб Originally by: Lady Spank There is no circumstance where Local indicates Local [1] as indicated in that image which was clearly a troll against the people speculating with no true facts. That image is a fake. You are just furthering the evidence that you are incapable of discerning fact from fiction. Huhus videos are fakes too, haven't you know?
SetrakDark DarkCorp Holdings	Posted - 2010.04.23 02:49:00 - [57] Bug-hunting shouldn't be used as a cover for the creation and public demonstration of exploits all in the name of a witch-hunt to protect macroers who are having their macros gamed by legitimate means. Poor judgment on the creators part, though I can sympathize somewhat with his personal income being threatened by the brave and noble efforts of our latest and greatest Eve hero, The Monkeysphere.
cigarellos Path of Now and Forever	Posted - 2010.04.23 02:50:00 - [58] Edited by: cigarellos on 23/04/2010 02:54:05 Originally by: Lady Spank The Character Huhuhuhuhuhuh has posted video evidence of his ability to exploit the eve client in order to mask his appearance in local. This gives him an unfair advantage over others and until the exploit he discovered is fixed I propose that he be banned from the game. This also goes for anyone else that has demonstrated their participation in this nefarious breach of the EULA. You are a fantastic poster. Keep these threads coming! As much as I would like to spank the troll out of you with a bat I must admit you have a valid point. However; -What is going to keep Huhu from opening/buying a new account if he gets banned before the exploit is fixed? -What do you think will be accomplished by banning or not banning Huhu? For all we know he was the one who stepped up to the plate and made the exploit public. Legally or illegally it really doesn't matter, the truth is out. Have Huhu sign a Non Disclousure Agreement with CCP until exploit is fixed, if it makes you feel better. What matters at this very moment and should be #1 priority is to fix the exploit. Do you understand this? Troll more, -cig edit: CPP*
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.23 02:57:00 - [59] Originally by: Dianeces Originally by: Jeremey Originally by: Lady Spank That is the purpose of this proposal, that is based on fact. Your accusations of Monkey are based on speculation. On what "fact"? You're accusing Huhus basing on video, but there is screenshot from The Monkeysphere (lol internets is his alt) where he is not in local, which means that he is using exploit on Tranqulity. Ahahahahahahahahahahah. Don't stop belieeeeeevin'~ Hi Dian, please remember to support my proposal in case you forgot. I would like to present some further information that has come to light which I find highly relevant. Originally by: Ranka Mei Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium Originally by: Grath Telkin Its easy to find out who used it, they've openly fraps'd themselves purposely hacking the SiSi client, and then posted the evidence in this thread. Pretty sure thats a clear cut case. Don't be silly. Part of bughunting is reproducing the bug. You should thank huhuhu for his efforts. FYI, actually all of what these folks did is illegal, as per the Terms of Service (relevant parts highlighted): 21) You will not attempt to decipher, hack into or interfere with any transmissions to or from the EVE Online servers, nor will you try to create or use any third party add-ons, extras or tools for the game. 23) You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website. Even asking folks to reproduce and publish the exploit is, strictly spoken, against the rules: 29) You will not encourage others to break these rules* or any rules set forth in relation to EVE OnlineÆs game service or web site.* I hope CCP shows some common-sense leniency towards those who helped bring this exploit to light, though. ~_~
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.23 03:05:00 - [60] Originally by: cigarellos Edited by: cigarellos on 23/04/2010 02:54:05 Originally by: Lady Spank The Character Huhuhuhuhuhuh has posted video evidence of his ability to exploit the eve client in order to mask his appearance in local. This gives him an unfair advantage over others and until the exploit he discovered is fixed I propose that he be banned from the game. This also goes for anyone else that has demonstrated their participation in this nefarious breach of the EULA. You are a fantastic poster. Keep these threads coming! As much as I would like to spank the troll out of you with a bat I must admit you have a valid point. However; -What is going to keep Huhu from opening/buying a new account if he gets banned before the exploit is fixed? -What do you think will be accomplished by banning or not banning Huhu? For all we know he was the one who stepped up to the plate and made the exploit public. Legally or illegally it really doesn't matter, the truth is out. Have Huhu sign a Non Disclousure Agreement with CCP until exploit is fixed, if it makes you feel better. What matters at this very moment and should be #1 priority is to fix the exploit. Do you understand this? Troll more, -cig edit: CPP* Thank you, I try my best to remain objective with my posting. As a bystander I believe I can maintain this stance. As for your personal threat it is not appreciated. I believe huhuhuhuh can create a new character if he chooses but with limited skills his exploitation will be less effective. A signed NDA would be acceptable had he not already made significant information already available for people to act on. Regardless the key point is he has demonstrated his ability to exploit local to his advantage and must not be allowed to use this. The only fair way is to ban him temporarily while CCP quickly implement their emergency solution. Of course the fix for this exploit huhuhuhu is in possession of is of utmost importance. Again, hence this petition. ~_~

Dri Kulsane Amarr Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.04.23 03:47:00 - [61] I see no point to this thread. CCP will have to respond themselves and decide what's to happen in this exceptional situation. You seem to be only looking for some false glory attention by even creating this petition to ban someone who's endeavoring to make this a better game for the public. I vote: Fail Post!
Arec Bardwin	Posted - 2010.04.23 04:00:00 - [62] Originally by: Lady Spank This gives him an unfair advantage over others on the test server Agreed. Permaban him on test server please.
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2010.04.23 04:06:00 - [63] Originally by: Dri Kulsane I vote: Fail Post! +1 -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture!
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.23 04:07:00 - [64] Originally by: Arec Bardwin Originally by: Lady Spank This gives him an unfair advantage over others on the test server Agreed. Permaban him on test server please. Please do not rephrase my comments. Your contribution can therefore be regarded as irrelevant. ~_~
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2010.04.23 04:31:00 - [65] this is almost as bad as that other thread, although I suspect that's the point. I hate macros, I hate local and I can totally understand why people would back Monkey knowing fully he was cheating (if it turns out he was cheating) since he was using it for good and all that - and yes it IS suspicious that huhuhuhu managed to reproduce it so easily, but seriously ppl get a grip. Cheating ruins games, end of story. Now I think it's time we pressured CCP to give us a verdict, don't you? Who knows, might even be that Monkeysphere was innocent all along and the discovery of the exploit was little more than an accident - Malyutka (The Virus) -
Jeremey Glittering Dust	Posted - 2010.04.23 05:27:00 - [66] Originally by: Lady Spank Please do not rephrase my comments. Your contribution can therefore be regarded as irrelevant. Spank, look at this killmail's comments. It seems that Pandemic Legion plans to backstab and slander The Monkeysphere!
Sciencegeek deathdealer	Posted - 2010.04.23 06:07:00 - [67] Try reading the thread it came from. huhuhuhu was trying to reproduce the exploit for bug hunting purposes. bug reports ASK for reproduction steps, and ccp was petioned several times before they investigated on their own, and ccp didnt take action then. punishing someone who is working to make eve better is stupid any way you look at it. /not signed
Chingyz Caldari Raata Invicti Reckoning.	Posted - 2010.04.23 06:16:00 - [68] Yes let's ban people who finds bugs and exploits on test server for bugreporting. How dare they make this game better for the ones of us not cheating? Bad people I tell you, very bad people.
didyouspillmypint	Posted - 2010.04.23 06:55:00 - [69] Originally by: Lady Spank Edited by: Lady Spank on 22/04/2010 20:25:53 Originally by: Jeremey Edited by: Jeremey on 22/04/2010 20:22:56 Originally by: Lady Spank The Character Huhuhuhuhuhuh has posted video evidence of his ability to exploit the eve client in order to mask his appearance in local. This gives him an unfair advantage over others and until the exploit he discovered is fixed I propose that he be banned from the game. Stupid, fat PL troll. Huhuh is just reproduced on test server and bugreported an exploit that was used by Pandemic Legion's The Monkeysphere to kill common players on Tranqulity for years. Not supported. I'm not PL I'm not trolling No, but you are just about the BIGGEST attention seeker on these forums and you just had to find a way to steal some limelight from the current drama .. "look at me me meeeeeeeeee" ps Not supported, I'm glad the guy put in the work to bring it to light, I ain't going to penalise him for that. If you had any genuine interest in an exploit free EvE instead of an EvE forum centred around Ladyspank, you'd be grateful for what he has done... I know I am.
Jane Vherokior	Posted - 2010.04.23 07:24:00 - [70] Edited by: Jane Vherokior on 23/04/2010 07:25:11 Good job trying to assassinate the whistleblower while giving comfort to the exploiter. Love to know how much you and your alt toons have made from this. :) Go SPANK elsewhere, mmm'kay?

Jane Vherokior	Posted - 2010.04.23 07:30:00 - [71] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Cheating ruins games, end of story. Wow. Classic. Almost as awesome as a pedo proclaiming child abuse "is bad". Maybe you should just give Spank your login ID.
Jobby Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2010.04.23 09:49:00 - [72] Presumably this is some kind of joke.
kaisersauzee Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.04.23 09:51:00 - [73] I agree to banning this character.....are we supposed to just take his word that he wont use the exploit to his advantage in TQ
Zilberfrid	Posted - 2010.04.23 09:59:00 - [74] Are there any attacks by huhu reported with questionable local availability? I think that if he wanted to continue using this exploit, this would be a very bad way to do it, and do not believe he did it for anything else then to prove it exists (and an inch of e-peen). The video was cried for in literally dozens of posts, and in my opinion needed. If this holds true (which I believe), there is stormy weather for eve, I do not believe this is easy to fix. Not supported
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.04.23 11:12:00 - [75] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 23/04/2010 11:18:56 Until we can get definite irrefutable proof via the system (and not player testimonials) that someone is using a exploit, we cannot ban them unless we accept that player testimonials (in whatever form) are valid proof that someone is exploiting. Either proof beyond reasonable doubt is the standard or it is not. Furthermore, knowing a exploit being bannable leads to the following situation: (a) I uncover a exploit. (b) I use my alt to send you a ingame mail detailing how the exploit is done. (which is logged somewhere, so proof exists) (c) Both my alt and your main get banned for knowing a exploit. Knowing how a exploit is done becoming a bannable offense is definitely exploitable itself. For instance, imagine if he posted how the exploit is done in the thread; should not every single player who read the thread get banned for it? Originally by: kaisersauzee I agree to banning this character.....are we supposed to just take his word that he wont use the exploit to his advantage in TQ How is this different then taking his word that the exploit exists and he didn't just shop the video? Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Duncan Ophyr	Posted - 2010.04.23 11:32:00 - [76] I find the attitude of PL trolls and their backers simply disgusting.
Jobby Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2010.04.23 11:51:00 - [77] lol, ludicrous. Can we get a thumbs-down symbol? I need one.
Dav Varan	Posted - 2010.04.23 13:14:00 - [78] HuHuHuHu was the guy that proved the Exploit by exposing it on sing afaik. Was Monkey a Friend of yours ? are you trying to get revenge by getting HuHu banned ? Trying to get a player banned by makin false statement is most probably against the EULA , be careful its not you that gets the ban.
My Postman	Posted - 2010.04.23 13:41:00 - [79] Originally by: Lady Spank The Character Huhuhuhuhuhuh has posted video evidence of his ability to exploit the eve client in order to mask his appearance in local. This gives him an unfair advantage over others and until the exploit he discovered is fixed I propose that he be banned from the game. This also goes for anyone else that has demonstrated their participation in this nefarious breach of the EULA. Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha - I did not tamper a game client and break the EULA to force it in the developers skins to potentially slow down the work in the expansion and only deal with your pretend immediate WANTS. Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh Bug is bug, test server is test server. Bugs should be fixed. That's all. Proof This is a disgraceful attempt to turn the facts. A guy from Pandemic Legion (Monkeysphere) used this exploit. Proofed. PL may have used this exploit. Not proofed. Huhuhu helped to proof on Sisi (!). Ban Monkeysphere Ban PL Exploiters And you, dear lady spank, burn in a fire (IG) for this attempt.
xLSDx	Posted - 2010.04.23 14:02:00 - [80] Lady Spank from Amarr Trollollo High-Rollollo... oh wait... a lot of text about nothing not supported

Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.23 15:18:00 - [81] Originally by: Jeremey Originally by: Lady Spank Please do not rephrase my comments. Your contribution can therefore be regarded as irrelevant. Spank, look at this killmail's comments. It seems that Pandemic Legion plans to backstab and slander The Monkeysphere! Firstly, the killboard comments are clearly sarcastic and prove nothing. Secondly how is this relevant to the comment you quoted? Originally by: Chingyz Yes let's ban people who finds bugs and exploits on test server for bugreporting. How dare they make this game better for the ones of us not cheating? Bad people I tell you, very bad people. Please read earlier this point has already been covered. Originally by: didyouspillmypint No, but you are just about the BIGGEST attention seeker on these forums and you just had to find a way to steal some limelight from the current drama .. "look at me me meeeeeeeeee" ps Not supported, I'm glad the guy put in the work to bring it to light, I ain't going to penalise him for that. If you had any genuine interest in an exploit free EvE instead of an EvE forum centred around Ladyspank, you'd be grateful for what he has done... I know I am. This is the assembly hall where people have the right to request attention to an issue. Sorry you seem to have a personal issue with me but it does not change the validity of this concern. Originally by: Jane Vherokior Edited by: Jane Vherokior on 23/04/2010 07:25:11 Good job trying to assassinate the whistleblower while giving comfort to the exploiter. Love to know how much you and your alt toons have made from this. :) Go SPANK elsewhere, mmm'kay? Yet again, this has been covered previously. Lets not have a circular argument here. I'm working with people who exposed themselves as exploiters through evidence, not speculation. Originally by: kaisersauzee I agree to banning this character.....are we supposed to just take his word that he wont use the exploit to his advantage in TQ Thank you, please show your support. Originally by: Duncan Ophyr I find the attitude of PL trolls and their backers simply disgusting. Most trolling is disgusting. Why do you feel the need to target a single alliance? If you are implying I have a connection with PL you are mistaken. They don't have time for the small time players like me. Originally by: Dav Varan HuHuHuHu was the guy that proved the Exploit by exposing it on sing afaik. Was Monkey a Friend of yours ? are you trying to get revenge by getting HuHu banned ? Trying to get a player banned by makin false statement is most probably against the EULA , be careful its not you that gets the ban. Please let me know where I have made a false statement? I am only asking for a temporary ban as I think his actions in publically sharing knowledge set a bad precedent. Had he kept the information sharing to CCP alone I would not have felt the need to raise this issue. It is a shame people misconstrue this as a spiteful act. I only care for the equality of eve online. Rawr Christina seems to understand best. Originally by: My Postman Originally by: Lady Spank This is a disgraceful attempt to turn the facts. A guy from Pandemic Legion (Monkeysphere) used this exploit. Proofed. PL may have used this exploit. Not proofed. Huhuhu helped to proof on Sisi (!). Ban Monkeysphere Ban PL Exploiters And you, dear lady spank, burn in a fire (IG) for this attempt. Again, I am not turning facts. I am working on solid ones. You are in fact taking speculation and heresay and treating them as solid evidence. I find it ridiculous that you can be so transparent in your spin while at the same time attempting to besmirch my rational treatment of the information at hand. Your personal comment is also not appreciated. ~_~
Lady Karma	Posted - 2010.04.23 15:33:00 - [82] Originally by: My Postman This is a disgraceful attempt to turn the facts. A guy from Pandemic Legion (Monkeysphere) used this exploit. Proofed. PL may have used this exploit. Not proofed. Huhuhu helped to proof on Sisi (!). Ban Monkeysphere Ban PL Exploiters And you, dear lady spank, burn in a fire (IG) for this attempt. You can hand over that proof anytime you like. I have an odd feeling however that there is no proof, and that is why Monkey is not banned. The only proof we have of anything untoward is that huhuhu is able to hack the eve client. PS finding a bug, and creating one are not the same
Certero Hades and Charon funeral parlour	Posted - 2010.04.23 15:37:00 - [83] Holy **! I thought it was a joke, but now i see Lady Spank is crazy... so good luck with your efforts Lady, you'll need it (and new brains will not be unnecessary too). * EVE-RU vs Cheaters ***
Arec Bardwin	Posted - 2010.04.23 15:50:00 - [84] Originally by: Lady Spank Please do not rephrase my comments. Your contribution can therefore be regarded as irrelevant. Irregardless, my contribution stands.
Dav Varan	Posted - 2010.04.23 16:40:00 - [85] Originally by: Lady Spank Originally by: Dav Varan HuHuHuHu was the guy that proved the Exploit by exposing it on sing afaik. Was Monkey a Friend of yours ? are you trying to get revenge by getting HuHu banned ? Trying to get a player banned by makin false statement is most probably against the EULA , be careful its not you that gets the ban. Please let me know where I have made a false statement? I am only asking for a temporary ban as I think his actions in publically sharing knowledge set a bad precedent. Had he kept the information sharing to CCP alone I would not have felt the need to raise this issue. It is a shame people misconstrue this as a spiteful act. I only care for the equality of eve online. Rawr Christina seems to understand best. Let me rephrase that. Trying to get a player banned by makin Misleading statements is most probably against the EULA , be careful its not you that gets the ban. Just sayin CCP are not stupid. They'll investigate this exploit like they investigate any other and they're more than capable of decerning whether involved parties have acted with the Best Interests of the game in mind or not. They dont need You or Us to point fingers with "petitions" Reading between the lines in that other thread leads me to belive that you are buddies with some of the people that may or may not have been banned for using the spolit on tranq. Which [If true] would make this thread a vindictive attempt at getting a player banned because he exposed a sploit used by your buddies. Maybe thats right maybe it isnt. If it is true then you are skating on thin ice my friend. Afaik the C.S.M. does not have the power to call for bans on players anyway, Its never has been part of there remit.
Certero Hades and Charon funeral parlour	Posted - 2010.04.23 16:49:00 - [86] Lady Spank is just macroratter! It's clear enough! Just scared of huhuhuhu, he can kill bots easily and Lady Spank don't want to lose money. Lady Spank need to banned! * EVE-RU vs Cheaters *
Dianeces SiN. Corp Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2010.04.23 16:50:00 - [87] Originally by: Dav Varan Afaik the C.S.M. does not have the power to call for bans on players anyway, Its never has been part of there remit. If you're going to use a word, you probably ought to know what it means first. (Hint: remit is normally a verb)
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.23 16:54:00 - [88] Originally by: Dav Varan Originally by: Lady Spank Originally by: Dav Varan HuHuHuHu was the guy that proved the Exploit by exposing it on sing afaik. Was Monkey a Friend of yours ? are you trying to get revenge by getting HuHu banned ? Trying to get a player banned by makin false statement is most probably against the EULA , be careful its not you that gets the ban. Please let me know where I have made a false statement? I am only asking for a temporary ban as I think his actions in publically sharing knowledge set a bad precedent. Had he kept the information sharing to CCP alone I would not have felt the need to raise this issue. It is a shame people misconstrue this as a spiteful act. I only care for the equality of eve online. Rawr Christina seems to understand best. Let me rephrase that. Trying to get a player banned by makin Misleading statements is most probably against the EULA , be careful its not you that gets the ban. Just sayin CCP are not stupid. They'll investigate this exploit like they investigate any other and they're more than capable of decerning whether involved parties have acted with the Best Interests of the game in mind or not. They dont need You or Us to point fingers with "petitions" Reading between the lines in that other thread leads me to belive that you are buddies with some of the people that may or may not have been banned for using the spolit on tranq. Which [If true] would make this thread a vindictive attempt at getting a player banned because he exposed a sploit used by your buddies. Maybe thats right maybe it isnt. If it is true then you are skating on thin ice my friend. Afaik the C.S.M. does not have the power to call for bans on players anyway, Its never has been part of there remit. Please show me any element of the EULA you believe I have breached by showing this concern. I'm amazed you think intentionally manipulating the client is acceptable for players yet protesting about this is a breach. I am simply voicing a concern to something I believe CCP should consider. That is the purpose of the Assembly Hall. As for your reading between the lines, it is no more worthy speculation than the sensationalism and heresay implied in 'that' thread, and on eve ru. If you want to know my stance, I side with rationality rather than wild speculation. I have no ties with PL. Surely if I did they would all be jumping in here showing support. They aren't. The last time I saw PL in game Viper was failing to bait people in Amamake. The time before that I was entering Cloud Ring, landed on their fleet at a gate, jumped through for fear of getting killed and got bubbled and killed by the opposing fleet. But now im rambling... Let's stick to concrete evidence please. Allegedly CCP have made a response to the overall issue saying they have taken details on board and are investigating. Hopefully this is true. ~_~
Dav Varan	Posted - 2010.04.23 16:59:00 - [89] Originally by: Dianeces Originally by: Dav Varan Afaik the C.S.M. does not have the power to call for bans on players anyway, Its never has been part of there remit. If you're going to use a word, you probably ought to know what it means first. (Hint: remit is normally a verb) Remit Scroll down to Noun usage Quoted for the lazy Noun Pronunciation(British) IPA: /ˈrimɪt/ NounSingular remit Plural remits (chiefly British) terms of reference; set of responsibilities. Remit is also a Noun. Learn to understand context before making yourself look like a fool.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.23 17:06:00 - [90] Originally by: Certero Lady Spank is just macroratter! It's clear enough! Just scared of huhuhuhu, he can kill bots easily and Lady Spank don't want to lose money. Lady Spank need to banned! I think I can count the number of NPC's I have killed on one hand. Please do not attempt to troll in the Assembly Hall. ~_~

DarkFollower Amarr The Edge Foundation Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2010.04.23 17:06:00 - [91] Are you **ing kidding me , the guys get a game breaking bug that is preaty certain that's been exploited by that monkey guy and preaty sure by others aswell an you want to ban the single guy who exposed the bug I have a better ideea let's ban you for supporting exploiters because there's only 3 reason why would you support something like this 1) you have the average iq of my dog and you do not understand what a test server is for 2) Your are one of the exploiters that use this bug or know them and you are trying to help them cover it up 3) Both of the above Notice that i included you on the second category but i'm more inclided to thing you're a part of the first or third I guess it would have been better for huhuhuh not to post anything and just use it hinself Cap rechargers on PvP ships Suxxor monkey ballzorz!!**
Flinx Evenstar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.04.23 17:07:00 - [92] Originally by: Lady Spank If you want to know my stance, I side with rationality rather than wild speculation. I have no ties with PL. Surely if I did they would all be jumping in here showing support. They aren't. Showing my support to blow your cover dawg --- Witness epic fleet battles in Dominion
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.23 17:23:00 - [93] Originally by: DarkFollower Are you **ing kidding me , the guys get a game breaking bug that is preaty certain that's been exploited by that monkey guy and preaty sure by others aswell an you want to ban the single guy who exposed the bug I have a better ideea let's ban you for supporting exploiters because there's only 3 reason why would you support something like this 1) you have the average iq of my dog and you do not understand what a test server is for 2) Your are one of the exploiters that use this bug or know them and you are trying to help them cover it up 3) Both of the above Notice that i included you on the second category but i'm more inclided to thing you're a part of the first or third I guess it would have been better for huhuhuh not to post anything and just use it hinself Again please read this thread to see what the ACTUAL issue is here. You have not done so and have chosen instead to spout a lot of angry gibberish and personal insults. I know what the test server is for... had you read the thread before hitting reply you would know what the actual concern is. point 2 is yet more nonsensical speculation. I'm certain CCP can investigate my npc activity with minimal effort. Especially considering I can't even fly any ship associated with 0.0 ratting, im a frigate pilot. As already stated several times... It would have been better if he had not posted information leading to use of exploits yes, no he should not use them himself. Yes finding such bugs and reporting it to CCP is commendable. I am asking for a temporary ban while this issue gets patched, it is his own fault for confirming himself as someone able to exploit the game to his advantage. These are facts I am working on. Like I have said above... You would know all of this if you had just bothered to read the thread before spamming questions and accusations that have already been covered. Once more, personal comments are not appreciated. ~_~**
Dianeces SiN. Corp Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2010.04.23 17:25:00 - [94] Originally by: Dav Varan (chiefly British) Found the problem for you.
Certero Hades and Charon funeral parlour	Posted - 2010.04.23 17:41:00 - [95] Originally by: Lady Spank I think I can count the number of NPC's I have killed on one hand. Sorry, i was wrong. You are macrominer! You don't kill NPCs. That's right! It's clear now. * EVE-RU vs Cheaters *
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.23 17:56:00 - [96] Originally by: Certero Originally by: Lady Spank I think I can count the number of NPC's I have killed on one hand. Sorry, i was wrong. You are macrominer! You don't kill NPCs. That's right! It's clear now. 3 Industry skills trained, for a total of 4,477 skillpoints. Please refrain from trolling. ~_~
Freelanc3r H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.04.23 17:58:00 - [97] Edited by: Freelanc3r on 23/04/2010 17:58:35 http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1004/plexploit.jpg
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.23 18:33:00 - [98] Originally by: Freelanc3r Edited by: Freelanc3r on 23/04/2010 17:58:35 http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1004/plexploit.jpg This has already been posted here. Why are you linking it with no comment? ~_~
Flinx Evenstar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.04.23 18:37:00 - [99] It's proof that monkey can lock targets from 5,000km away, and also that the UI has changed since 2008 --- Witness epic fleet battles in Dominion
Dav Varan	Posted - 2010.04.23 18:52:00 - [100] Edited by: Dav Varan on 23/04/2010 18:58:10 Originally by: Lady Spank Please let me know where I have made a false statement? In the subject line of this post. The Sploit does not originate from HuHu , ( It is not "His" ) Originally by: Lady Spank Please show me any element of the EULA you believe I have breached by showing this concern. T.O.S. 1 Which forms part of the Eula through Eula term 7.C

Cheekything Gallente Dark-Rising	Posted - 2010.04.23 19:24:00 - [101] Awesome, well I'm sure CCP will ban him if they want to but seeing as you've wasted about 10 minutes of my life reading this waste of drivel then I'll make a note that this can happen. Monkey did not show anyone how to do it, nor has done it to benefit himself on the live server. He did submit a bug report and inform everyone that the exploit exists. If I gave people knowledge and proof such an exploit existed after notifying CCP I'm pretty sure I'd make it public as then CCP has to check the logs and will ban the people who use it in malice. Now go back to your mining CCP has work to do on DUST and the planets... not to mention fixing what is broken.
Stil Harkonnen	Posted - 2010.04.23 20:15:00 - [102] Edited by: Stil Harkonnen on 23/04/2010 20:16:36 Originally by: Lady Spank I have a stronger argument than you do against the monkeysphere. Besides the fact that you are either hopelessly stupid or just trolling these poor people, no, honestly you don't. there are witnesses to monkey's exploits (not discussing their credibility), and no witnesses to huhuh's use of the exploit. Coincidentally, bugs that exist on test server exist on real server. Because one proves a bug to the skeptical population and to CCP, does not prove that they use it and abuse it on the real server. You have NO proof of that. And until you have video evidence, or any evidence, you can't condemn him because of his knowledge of the bug. You can't condemn him based on the fact that he knows how, and you THINK he would use the exploit. now stop trolling, you have no argument EDIT spelling
Doggy Dogwoofwoof	Posted - 2010.04.23 21:17:00 - [103] i think lady just dosent want to listen. huhhuh putthat video up to show the people that monkey could do it. he hasnt usedc it on TQ. so if anyone needs banned its monkey and we dont have entire progh that he should be banned so this entire thread is pointless
JASON W0RTHING future of humankind Wayfarer Stellar Initiative	Posted - 2010.04.23 22:47:00 - [104] Edited by: JASON W0RTHING on 23/04/2010 22:48:33 Edited by: JASON W0RTHING on 23/04/2010 22:47:31 I would support a suspension of his account. On the one hand, he discovered a game-breaking bug that is "probably" being used by certain parties who shall remain unnamed. However, posting exploit info on the forums is not allowed. The youtube videos are specifically targeted at a specific player, we shouldn't encourage people uploading videos accusing individuals of cheating, whether or not it is true. My thoughts: suspend Huhuhuhuhuhuh's account until the bug is fixed since he clearly can not be trusted to keep his mouth shut and just /bugreport. Permaban monkeysphere if convincing evidence is collected (shouldn't be difficult). === I wonder if this is a bannable offense...
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.04.23 23:49:00 - [105] A interesting question; do you consider that CCP should implement a policy that people who provably have knowledge of how to exploit get banned until the exploit is fixed? Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Neti Keire Amarr Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Tread Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.24 00:54:00 - [106] Not supported. Ban The Monkeysphere and friends instead.
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2010.04.24 02:24:00 - [107] Originally by: Lady Spank The existence of the thread does not justify the posting of video footage at a later date. Video footage is not exploit code.
Grath Telkin Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.04.24 05:26:00 - [108] Originally by: Dav Varan Trying to get a player banned by makin false statement is most probably against the EULA , be careful its not you that gets the ban. So when CCP release the statement saying no wrong doing was found to be done by Monkey, all the people giving what will have been officially proven as false testimony in the other thread should be banned. Thats what I got from your post, and I agree, lets do that.
Jeremey Glittering Dust	Posted - 2010.04.24 06:25:00 - [109] Originally by: Grath Telkin Originally by: Dav Varan Trying to get a player banned by makin false statement is most probably against the EULA , be careful its not you that gets the ban. So when CCP release the statement saying no wrong doing was found to be done by Monkey, all the people giving what will have been officially proven as false testimony in the other thread should be banned. Thats what I got from your post, and I agree, lets do that. You haven't noticed the word "false".
Abbot Laarkin Order Of Mystical Mountain Monks	Posted - 2010.04.24 10:42:00 - [110] Originally by: Lady Spank Snip... I am only asking for a temporary ban as I think his actions in publically sharing knowledge set a bad precedent. Had he kept the information sharing to CCP alone I would not have felt the need to raise this issue. It is a shame people misconstrue this as a spiteful act. I only care for the equality of eve online. Rawr Christina seems to understand best. ....snip.. While I understand your point, I tend to disagree. With most bugs/ exploits it is perfectly understandable to keep them secret. The ease with which they can be implemented, and the advantage they give, would see them spread like wildfire. CCP's stance on keeping exploits "secret" would, in this case at least, be counter-productive imo. I'm no computer expert but it seems that this type of exploit is very hard/ beyond the abilities of most players, while also being particularly game-breaking in effects. In this case I am glad that the exploit has been publicly proven. With the knowledge that this exploit exists I, and others, can take the necessary steps to counter it in-game.( namely, utilising the D-scan even if no-one shows in local). As far as I am aware huhuhh has made no attempt to disclose the actual means by which this exploit can be recreated (this would definitely warrant a ban), and has done his/ her "duty" in reporting the bug fully to CCP. For this I applaud his/ her efforts in trying to improve the quality of gaming for all of us (excepting those who may or may not be using this exploit already ofc.) I also applaud your desire to increase public knowledge of this exploit, but I do feel that you are attempting to villainise the wrong player here. Peace. ---- Originally by: Sir Carnage Originally by: Marko Riva Why does that read like they're all 12 and have an IQ of 37? I was under the impression they were 37 and had an IQ of 12


CCP Navigator C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.25 00:46:00 - [111] While the Community team rarely take action in Assembly Hall threads this particular thread is getting locked. Players do not get to decide who gets banned and for what reason. That action is taken only by our Customer Support team. Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online



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