EVE Search - High End game play?

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Ywev	Posted - 2003.06.26 18:35:00 - [1] I have looked in dozens of regions, planets, moons, asteroid belts, I have yet to find something that even remotley challenges my battleships. Yes, 4 cruisers are fun, but its so rare other ships come to fight against you. I would like some tougher bship classed pirates out in the non empire space were they should be. Pod ya later.. Ywev
Tri H'Dee	Posted - 2003.06.26 18:38:00 - [2] Why? Isn't the PvP challenging enough ;) - afk
Lallante	Posted - 2003.06.26 18:45:00 - [3] Um...No, not in a battleship clearly Lall - THE Vocal Minority - ShinRa
Linak'h	Posted - 2003.06.26 18:46:00 - [4] You want a challenge Ywev? Here is one for you if you have the balls for it: Backstab your buddies in m0o. That shouldn't be hard for a seasoned pirate such as yourself. That way EVERYBODY hates you and will go gunning for you. Seriously, if this is how you feel after only a month and a half of the game maybe you should try something more challenging? Rock climbing without a safty rope? Bye bye. Hugs and kisses. See you on the flip side.
Discorporation	Posted - 2003.06.26 18:47:00 - [5] Hehe I should hope not :) [Heterocephalus glaber]
Tri H'Dee	Posted - 2003.06.26 18:49:00 - [6] How 'bout this for a challenge: Loose the BS and go back to podding ppl while in a cruiser, or maybe even in a frig if you're as good as you're supposed to be ;) - afk
CortexX	Posted - 2003.06.26 19:33:00 - [7] I have looked in dozens of regions, planets, moons, asteroid belts, I have yet to find something that even remotley challenges my battleships. Yes, 4 cruisers are fun, but its so rare other ships come to fight against you. I would like some tougher bship classed pirates out in the non empire space were they should be. I have to laugh at this ..... Maybe if people could come and get in the same sector as you without the hundreds of floating cargo cannisters so that they can get a shot off before you kill them in lag you`d have more fun . Its no fun for anyone else hunting you down because you exploit the system to gain an unfair advantage . Right now you are a boy in the playground thats getting bored because the other boys wont play your ball game , people arn`t stupid , they know they will die as their ship warps into a system and their net connection has to recieve the huge can-spam before they can move . This leaves you with a few choices , play the game in a sportsmanlike way and have fun with the rest of the server , or play with your ball on your own with your side kicks under your own rules. I tried explaining this to Jo0t last night after he lag spammed and pod killed my corp member for the third time this week and his reply was ( I Like Blowing up ships to see whats in them ) . I think you maybe see the negative side effects of hanging out with a bunch of guys that like to behave as a$$holes to the rest of the player base . Maybe someday other PC ships will actually seek you our for battle so that all of you can have fun, but with your playstyle i seriously doubt it. Cortexx ( Freelancers guild member )
Sleekit	Posted - 2003.06.26 19:38:00 - [8] Please you may hate him but his points are valid we're only a short bit into retail and already people are into the high end of the game, cruisers only take a week to get even in high sec space and once you have one of them money becomes pitufully easy to make again even in high sec space. Whats left for the future ? Oh right level 2 tech which will give even more powerfull weapons to people who obviously don't need them. Nope thats just not going to cut it, the only excitement is going to come from corp wars but none of the big corps want to go to war, so go on m0o take the initiative and start a big war lets see the games potential.
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.06.26 19:42:00 - [9] It doesn't have to be battleships Ywev - it could be any decent mix of existing ships. Given enough variety and capability to use their own modules and given decent and varied loadouts. Oh yeah - and adding some actual AI. .
Ywev	Posted - 2003.06.26 19:43:00 - [10] Sooner or later, you will be to were I am at, when you get there, ya will think hmm, what should i do today, fit 6 mining lasers and mine, or kill pirates, so you opt to go kill npc's warp into that 0.0, and wow you just destroyed all 6 of them in whoa a nice 15 seconds... So as ya keep on clearin belts faster and faster, there is no, whoa a npc bship, might have to work harder on this. So, now i use my bships to harden the lives of players... Until more high end content is ingame, the gimme your stuff run will happen and so forth. Pod ya later.. Ywev
Ywev	Posted - 2003.06.26 19:45:00 - [11] also, for the person that said, isn't PVP enough, npc's don't whine and send ya mail, and start chat convo's with ya, they just give ya the bounty on them and loot. :) Sometimes nicer to not hear someone whine oh, you killed my ship.. blah blah blah Pod ya later.. Ywev
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.06.26 19:56:00 - [12] Ywev isn't wrong, yall know. For the content currently availible, you don't really need to go beyond a cruiser. And the situations that would require a battleship involve fighting another player in a battleship, which most of the players are terrified of doing. They don't like to risk the the loss. NPC pirates against a bship stand about as much chance as a rifter vs a bship. People are using battleships to equip even more mining lasers to hover up more roid chunks. Odd that a ship class named called Battleship is used more for mining than fighting. The high end gameplay of Player vs Player and corp wars has thus far failed to materialize as those people with the massive resources to have battleships use them to make more money and nothing more. TTI and their stance on the M0o situation is a prime example. "Why fight if its going to cost me isk". So the high end game that players could provide hasn't materialized. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.06.26 19:56:00 - [13] Negative sec players shouldn't even earn bounty on NPC pirates. .
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2003.06.26 20:14:00 - [14] We said all this back in beta. There's no endgame content. The fanbois tried to convince us all that CCP had just kept it hidden, saved for release. We teased them a bit for being naive, but we couldn't really prove it. The question is... Were we really expecting the content to magically appear when we reached the endgame? Just the fact that we reached the endgame a few weeks into the game shows it's all whacked, doesn't it?
Sleekit	Posted - 2003.06.26 20:17:00 - [15] Lol I loved the fanbois, where'd that one go that was always raving about EVE, you know the one who was going to start a company manufacturing advanced clones ;D is he doing it yet ? hmm.. was that a hint of sarcasm from me ?
Lola	Posted - 2003.06.26 21:10:00 - [16] You anti-m0o people are pathetic. You get podded once or even hear about someone who pods and now you can't even listen to a valid point they make. This game DOES seriously lack content. Close to 2 months in and many players can solo the hardest areas (you don't need a battleship to do this, it's just easier). Race has absolutely no meaning what-so-ever. The storyline which was fun to read about on this site has yet to materialize. There is no way to effect the world. There is nothing to do other than collect more cool stuff. (I happen to like collecting cool stuff) I hope something happens soon that addresses the content issue. Once we're all in battleships safely mining in 0.0 what will be the point? I know there are huge balance issues that still need to be addressed but I think different people at CCP work on different things. I have a few ideas for content that I'm going to save for another post because I can see this thread going down in a ball of flames soon. ----------------------------------------- Sig rented by Drethen Nerevitas.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.06.26 21:32:00 - [17] Battleships were available much too early. They should take them away, refund the owners the cost of their battleship/battleship BP, and spend more time allowing people to have finely-balanced battle-cruisers instead of using cruisers simply to mine to get a battleship. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.06.26 21:36:00 - [18] As for content - would you want CCP to introduce a vast array of new stuff before they've even fixed the current content? I say you should all have a bit of patience and let CCP sort out the current issues before you complain about issues yet to arise. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Animal Mother	Posted - 2003.06.26 21:56:00 - [19] "boo hoo my (edited) hurts when people send me emails, I can't find battleships to fight so I'm going to pod Ibis noobs" STFU whiner, nobody cares what you want or how you justify your sociopathic activities. Edited by: Animal Mother on 26/06/2003 21:56:21
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2003.06.26 21:57:00 - [20] <<As for content - would you want CCP to introduce a vast array of new stuff before they've even fixed the current content? I say you should all have a bit of patience and let CCP sort out the current issues before you complain about issues yet to arise. >> No, we'd prefer that they act like a normal MMORPG company and hire enough people to have one team working on new content, and the other team working on fixing existing content.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.06.26 22:01:00 - [21] Perhaps they're pandering to the desires of the vast majority and fixing Step 2 before approaching Step 22? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Fusco T	Posted - 2003.06.26 22:34:00 - [22] Ywev is right. The game is at this point conquered. How do you mean? Well let's see they have taken on the best the player base can throw. They have taken on the best the police can throw. I'm sure they have taken on the hardest mobs. They have sat in the middle of empire space with near impunity. Except for the shelling they took :) Hell they didn't lose a corp ship only morph got killed. Ok So what's left? They have 7 out of 10 of the only list in the game (most wanted). They are the topic of nearly half the threads, have made the news more times than anyone else. So what is left? Waiting? Mining? Problem with this economy is that it isn't real. If water doesn't get to a colony it doesn't perish. If trade items don't make it to where they are needed it doesn't matter. See that is what makes this econmy nothing more than moving numbers around. That is why 1000's don't enter passari and move m0o by sheer numbers because one can easily avoid the area and not suffer any. In a real economy if someone shut down trucking routes people would start seeing prices rise, and eventually people would starve and die. Essentially the world goes on without any of the player base, and there is no importance to player actions. If no one kills NPCs to they grow stronger and encroach on empire space? No. Everything anyone does in this game makes no impact on the world at all except an asteroid may be missing till it spawns or nps price for and item is lower today but will be back up tomorrow. The game central mechanics are: Trade: Get on early to kill the robotics market Mining: mine better rocks with refine in same sector. PK: Sit in .4 space near busy jump gates Greif: Figure out yet another clever way to f over you fellow m8. Usually involving unreal game/network mechanics. BPs: Research them, copy them sell them. Mfr: Get BPs, get minerals. Build stuff. Sell or use yourself. Ok great, has anyone asked themselves to what end they are doing the above? Is it until you get bored and move on? I at first thought the universe had an actual market in it. It does not. I thought there was an economy. There is not. I thought players affected the universe. They do not. So you can call ywev a whole sack of mofos but it doesn't chnage the fact that the only people in this game who are working towards an end is pirates to get on the most wanted list or measure themselves with the bounty money. Blah. BO-ring.
Ronyo Dae'Loki	Posted - 2003.06.26 23:40:00 - [23] /me waits for more content ------------- My salsa makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants. I <3 ( . Y . )
Jontene	Posted - 2003.06.27 00:52:00 - [24] Ywev does make a good point, aside from that he really needs to get a life outside of video games :) The NPCs and AI in the game are simply not hard enough. I can destroy four NPC Moas in my Merlin, and I know I don't have even close to the best setup you could in a Merlin. This is just totally unrealistic. CCP is relying too much on player interaction to interest us. We need to be able to still have something to do while interacting with the other players.
Rising Sin	Posted - 2003.06.27 00:55:00 - [25] For once, I actually agree with Ywev. I'm in a Stabber and I can't find npc pirates that are any challenge. CCP, put some pirate bships in more systems, please! -- "If they're shooting at you, you know you must be doing something right."
wordy	Posted - 2003.06.27 01:09:00 - [26] I see both sides of the arguement here. The power players are at the very top of their trade and are getting a bit bored But for the majority, who aren't in battleships yet they are (i think)enjoying the game and the rewards that come with it. Not all content has been added yet, remember the Jove?, as far as I can tell they have yet to put in an appearance, same with player built stations and I assume the same goes for Titans. I'm hoping that there will be stuff that we don't know about that will be added in due course. EVE was meant to give everyone almost complete freedom to do what they want, if the mega corps don't want to go into full scale war and risk their hard earned battleships then thats not CCP's fault. Another aspect of the free form universe is that players are able to roleplay just about any sort of lifestyle they want, from religous nutters to scumbag Pirates/random murderers. and I bet the players that are willing to get into roleplaying are alot less bored than the "power levelers" who just log on and hunt/mine all day. I have to agree with an earlier post that the problem with the ecconomy is that it's not real and if an area is being blockaded players just avoid it and the prices stay the same. Realisticly if a system was blockaded and the people of those planets faced starvation then the empire navies would move to remove the threat and avert a humanitarian disaster. So I'm not sure what the best way to go about improving this would be. Anyway I've started to ramble on a bit so I'll leave it there Edited by: wordy on 27/06/2003 01:09:50 "Hey, I am cool. My mum said so!" - Milhouse Van Houten
Bonegnasher	Posted - 2003.06.27 01:17:00 - [27] I must agree with the Moo guy on this one. We definately need more challenging NPC pirates in the game. I can take my cruiser out and destroy an endless stream of any pirate in the game with little to no fear of being destroyed myself. And you anti-moo guys that jumped on this post and used it to start flaming MOO sound like a bunch of pathetic idiots. Just because the guy is a pirate doesnt mean that he cant make a legitimate post about game content without having to be flamed by a bunch of losers.... Those guys must be doing something right, they are managing to keep par with my corp with the whole galaxy hot on their heels... Although I dont agree with some of their tactics, they are obviously intelligent gamers.... "When in doubt, get a bigger gun."
Annis Drak	Posted - 2003.06.27 01:30:00 - [28] Bunch of loonies - hes searched a dozen systems and met a 4 cruiser group so hes' "da man in da know!" Whoopy-bloomin-doo That certainly isnt the toughest NPC group and hes never met me, so he hasn't faced the toughest PC either. God - you m0o apologist cheerleaders really need a dose of reality sometimes. He sits podding n00bies and those who haven't loaded onto their screens yet and you think hes an "expert" on what the game offers? Give me a break. NPCs suck - we've been saying that since beta - its nothing new, yet you think little-lost-boy yev has suddenly discovered the Holy Grail is a plastic urinal whilst nobody else noticed? give me, and everybody else, a break. Battleships arent the answer - Ai and NPC utilisation of modules is, along with the introduction of an Encounter system as opposed to the almost fixed spawns we currently have. Im am thrououghly uninterested in providing the shallow level of "interest" that adding readily available npc battleships will add... i want a challenge - and that starts at the bottom , not by throwing in bigger bangs on equally weak foundations. For those who havent got a clue what i'm talking about - cary on with the iconography and saying how yev's found a urinal... ah sorry, holy grail.
Pyroe	Posted - 2003.06.27 03:16:00 - [29] Add new content and make NPC pirates tuffer for the few that have an easy time? For every post about how easy it is there is one waiting to be posted at how hard they are. Look at past history of the boards and the game. Remember the uber missle toating killer pirate threads? The threads where perhaps one of the biggest fanboys of them all "Hippie" was having coniptions about how stupid the devs were by making them over powered? Well the mix in eve now is very high level players wanting more and the lower players not being able to go there. Not saying there shouldn't be some kind of spread in the game just that those that venture out and get wolloped will whine they can't access those area's and replies will be they should stay in safe space. Face it CCP is not going to add more challenging content. It's far easier to nerf the livin crap out of your skills and devices to make it tough again for you. The same way they have done to tone down the power of those that have trained skills and aquired items making them more powerful then the average player. Don't start flaming about exploits and balance yadayadayada. If the skills didnt stack and the devices didn't stack the battles would still last 15 seconds in some cases and the nerf bat swings some more. All these posts just lead to the same outcome. Reduction of skills and device attributes. So in finishing here just equip your trusty old newb weapon and go out hunting. It just may be a future reality. Edited by: Pyroe on 27/06/2003 03:18:47
Axelay	Posted - 2003.06.27 03:31:00 - [30] Hey Risien. Haven't seen you since you forced me out of Fenix and set me on my path of destruction and mayhem. ::kisses:: _____ m0o

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