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Fusco T	Posted - 2003.06.27 03:36:00 - [31] First off I don't see anyone calling ywev the second flippin' coming. Second he pointed something out. Some simply disagreed because of his rep which is fine. Because I think his corp are a bunch of A$$ hats too. The point being the game is nothing but an over inflated FPS. It took me all of a few hours to figure out the "market". It took even less to figure out what and where to mine. I and anyone's grandma can kite the double spawn roid belts 5 cruisers and 8 frigates. Hell I was using all small weapons at the time. You can't actually sell anything on the market with much value except ships. All the "uber" loot has to be sold via trade channel. You can still lose your ship and mods to lag or crashes and ccp won't lift a finger. There are no stats to measure success in the game except a most wanted list. The game is an fps designed and encouraged. Like any good fps camping spawn points gets the most kills. We need better mob AI? That's your solution? give me a break. How about a real market? How about a stock market? How about some background? How about a top bounty hunter list? How about a top trader list? How about an evolving story line that the universe is going through and flying missions etc.. you discover plots and conspiracies? How about a whole number of things to make the game other than an fps with brutal timesinks. Heck half the stuff isn't even in the game yet. But oddly enough I can still make a char with the "trade" skill and train it without a single warning that I am wasting my time.
Fusco T	Posted - 2003.06.27 03:36:00 - [32] First off I don't see anyone calling ywev the second flippin' coming. Second he pointed something out. Some simply disagreed because of his rep which is fine. Because I think his corp are a bunch of A$$ hats too. The point being the game is nothing but an over inflated FPS. It took me all of a few hours to figure out the "market". It took even less to figure out what and where to mine. I and anyone's grandma can kite the double spawn roid belts 5 cruisers and 8 frigates. Hell I was using all small weapons at the time. You can't actually sell anything on the market with much value except ships. All the "uber" loot has to be sold via trade channel. You can still lose your ship and mods to lag or crashes and ccp won't lift a finger. There are no stats to measure success in the game except a most wanted list. The game is an fps designed and encouraged. Like any good fps camping spawn points gets the most kills. We need better mob AI? That's your solution? give me a break. How about a real market? How about a stock market? How about some background? How about a top bounty hunter list? How about a top trader list? How about an evolving story line that the universe is going through and flying missions etc.. you discover plots and conspiracies? How about a whole number of things to make the game other than an fps with brutal timesinks. Heck half the stuff isn't even in the game yet. But oddly enough I can still make a char with the "trade" skill and train it without a single warning that I am wasting my time.
Ends	Posted - 2003.06.27 03:49:00 - [33] You know I have really gone beyond anger with mOo. These guys are so pitable that it gives me a headache to read their posts. I just feel so sorry for them it makes me feel a little sick.
Ends Ends Journey	Posted - 2003.06.27 03:49:00 - [34] You know I have really gone beyond anger with mOo. These guys are so pitable that it gives me a headache to read their posts. I just feel so sorry for them it makes me feel a little sick.
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2003.06.27 04:14:00 - [35] <<Hey Risien. Haven't seen you since you forced me out of Fenix and set me on my path of destruction and mayhem>> I didn't have anything to do with it, sorry. The corp directors thought you to be unworthy of trust so they locked you out of the hangar. A day later you cleaned it out with your wife's account (yep, poo on us for forgetting about her) and joined moo. You only have yourself to blame.
Risien Drogonne Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2003.06.27 04:14:00 - [36] <<Hey Risien. Haven't seen you since you forced me out of Fenix and set me on my path of destruction and mayhem>> I didn't have anything to do with it, sorry. The corp directors thought you to be unworthy of trust so they locked you out of the hangar. A day later you cleaned it out with your wife's account (yep, poo on us for forgetting about her) and joined moo. You only have yourself to blame.
Nephthys	Posted - 2003.06.27 05:01:00 - [37] Fusco T Everything you said is completly right - except "half the stuff isn¦t even in the game yet" Its more like 80% -90% isnt in the game! But beware - telling the truth on this boards is very risky - you are immediatly a "whiner"! Fanboys dont want to here the truth! -Trade skills - trade, bartering, smuggling blackmarket trading ..? -dynamic Market? -Social skills - connections, criminal connections, negotiations, diplomacy...any influence on gameplay? - well implemented agent system? -rich background story and storyline? -"glorious vistas"? - something to explore in this universe? - implants? - booster? -new mining system? dev: "The new minig system is a far cry from the potatoes in the mist we currently have" (Feb 2003) And so on and on! I am tired to list all the missing features over and over again! People have told me, that this game isnt easy, a real intellectual challenge !? Wow Mining is easy Trading is easy Fighting is easy Exploring is useless Reseaching is easy Manufacturing is easy You only need TIME - really nothing else - only TIME!
Nephthys	Posted - 2003.06.27 05:01:00 - [38] Fusco T Everything you said is completly right - except "half the stuff isn¦t even in the game yet" Its more like 80% -90% isnt in the game! But beware - telling the truth on this boards is very risky - you are immediatly a "whiner"! Fanboys dont want to here the truth! -Trade skills - trade, bartering, smuggling blackmarket trading ..? -dynamic Market? -Social skills - connections, criminal connections, negotiations, diplomacy...any influence on gameplay? - well implemented agent system? -rich background story and storyline? -"glorious vistas"? - something to explore in this universe? - implants? - booster? -new mining system? dev: "The new minig system is a far cry from the potatoes in the mist we currently have" (Feb 2003) And so on and on! I am tired to list all the missing features over and over again! People have told me, that this game isnt easy, a real intellectual challenge !? Wow Mining is easy Trading is easy Fighting is easy Exploring is useless Reseaching is easy Manufacturing is easy You only need TIME - really nothing else - only TIME!
Lexs	Posted - 2003.06.27 05:11:00 - [39] If you want a challenge, buy me a battleship. Yea... that'll do. ;)
Lexs	Posted - 2003.06.27 05:11:00 - [40] If you want a challenge, buy me a battleship. Yea... that'll do. ;)
Commissar Gaunt	Posted - 2003.06.27 05:14:00 - [41] The problem is not lack of anything in the game, its that players are focusing on the wormg thing. All anyone is talking about is "more items/harder NPCs/better ships and be quick about it!", thats not the way the game is meant to be played, this is a game about RP, and WE are meant to shape EVE, WE are meant to create the storylines, with the help of the polaris team doing events, the NPC pirates/corps/governments are there to give us a base to work on, the problem is not CCP not putting any content in or nerfing stuff, its that people ar not willing to put in the time and effort to actually PLAY THE GAME, and by PLAY I do not mean mine or fight but RP a character that you have thought up that fits into EVE, someone said that the races mean nothing anymore, the only reason for this is players are too soft, they will not play a hateful old git who oppresses people, or a rebel, or an interfering sanctimoniuos guy, or a ruthless money grubbing lacenistic capatilist, and if you wont put in the time and effort, then go play NWN, where the story is linear and fed to you bit by bit so its nice and EASY. Edited by: Commissar Gaunt on 27/06/2003 05:16:13 ----------------------------------------------- "Nemo me impune lacessit"
Commissar Gaunt Amarr Doomheim	Posted - 2003.06.27 05:14:00 - [42] The problem is not lack of anything in the game, its that players are focusing on the wormg thing. All anyone is talking about is "more items/harder NPCs/better ships and be quick about it!", thats not the way the game is meant to be played, this is a game about RP, and WE are meant to shape EVE, WE are meant to create the storylines, with the help of the polaris team doing events, the NPC pirates/corps/governments are there to give us a base to work on, the problem is not CCP not putting any content in or nerfing stuff, its that people ar not willing to put in the time and effort to actually PLAY THE GAME, and by PLAY I do not mean mine or fight but RP a character that you have thought up that fits into EVE, someone said that the races mean nothing anymore, the only reason for this is players are too soft, they will not play a hateful old git who oppresses people, or a rebel, or an interfering sanctimoniuos guy, or a ruthless money grubbing lacenistic capatilist, and if you wont put in the time and effort, then go play NWN, where the story is linear and fed to you bit by bit so its nice and EASY. Edited by: Commissar Gaunt on 27/06/2003 05:16:13 ----------------------------------------------- "Nemo me impune lacessit"
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2003.06.27 05:16:00 - [43] <<The problem is not lack of anything in the game, its that players are focusing on the wormg thing.>> After reading that sentence 15 times, I still can't figure out what it means. What's a "wormg"? Edit: Oh oh oh, I finally got it. "Wrong". Sorry, I'm slow sometimes :) Edited by: Risien Drogonne on 27/06/2003 05:18:09
Risien Drogonne Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2003.06.27 05:16:00 - [44] <<The problem is not lack of anything in the game, its that players are focusing on the wormg thing.>> After reading that sentence 15 times, I still can't figure out what it means. What's a "wormg"? Edit: Oh oh oh, I finally got it. "Wrong". Sorry, I'm slow sometimes :) Edited by: Risien Drogonne on 27/06/2003 05:18:09
Nephthys	Posted - 2003.06.27 05:52:00 - [45] Commissar Gaunt You want us to Role Play this game - I want RP too But EVE is supposed to "give us a base to work on"! For example: You want to RP an Explorer - the fact is , you are completly worthless in EVE! Do you need some special equipment like scanners and something like that or any skills to find these "rare"!? ores? Everybody, and i mean everybody, is able to find these "rare" things without anything special. Sure, you can Role Play an explorer nevertheless, but EVE dont "give you the base to work on"! Or you want to Role Play a trader! Do you really think, that the market in EVE is dynamic, that the goods you are able to trade influence the game - example: do people on some planets need some water and food for example, and by deliverig these you are able to earn much money and to save many lives - once more you can Role play a trader nevertheless but EVE dont "give you the base to work on"! This market "is nothing more than moving numbers around" ( thank you Fusco T for this!) Or you want to Role Play a minmatar freedom Fighter, fighting against the amar or something like that - "Standing" isnt really implemented, so anything you are doing in EVE has nearly no influence on the game, besides your security status ( oh really great) - and again, you can Role Play a freedom fighter nevertheless but EVE dont "give you the base to work on" Edited by: Nephthys on 27/06/2003 06:08:35
Nephthys	Posted - 2003.06.27 05:52:00 - [46] Commissar Gaunt You want us to Role Play this game - I want RP too But EVE is supposed to "give us a base to work on"! For example: You want to RP an Explorer - the fact is , you are completly worthless in EVE! Do you need some special equipment like scanners and something like that or any skills to find these "rare"!? ores? Everybody, and i mean everybody, is able to find these "rare" things without anything special. Sure, you can Role Play an explorer nevertheless, but EVE dont "give you the base to work on"! Or you want to Role Play a trader! Do you really think, that the market in EVE is dynamic, that the goods you are able to trade influence the game - example: do people on some planets need some water and food for example, and by deliverig these you are able to earn much money and to save many lives - once more you can Role play a trader nevertheless but EVE dont "give you the base to work on"! This market "is nothing more than moving numbers around" ( thank you Fusco T for this!) Or you want to Role Play a minmatar freedom Fighter, fighting against the amar or something like that - "Standing" isnt really implemented, so anything you are doing in EVE has nearly no influence on the game, besides your security status ( oh really great) - and again, you can Role Play a freedom fighter nevertheless but EVE dont "give you the base to work on" Edited by: Nephthys on 27/06/2003 06:08:35
Axelay	Posted - 2003.06.27 06:05:00 - [47] You're right Ris' I blame myself. The millions I got from refining all that stuff bought me just about every skill that I needed. Left me 'hurtin' really badly. ::giggles:: I'm really glad, I dunno that I would be having nearly this much fun if you had not backed me in to a corner and given me motivation to screw you guys over and get out. Thanks :) _____ m0o
Axelay Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2003.06.27 06:05:00 - [48] You're right Ris' I blame myself. The millions I got from refining all that stuff bought me just about every skill that I needed. Left me 'hurtin' really badly. ::giggles:: I'm really glad, I dunno that I would be having nearly this much fun if you had not backed me in to a corner and given me motivation to screw you guys over and get out. Thanks :) _____ m0o
Soul Reaver	Posted - 2003.06.27 07:24:00 - [49] Ywev We have several things planned for you :) You wont be in it for much longer so I would start saving for your next one if I was you! Be you a Pirate or a Simple Alt creeper! Sooner or later you'll dance with Soul Reaver and His Amazing Underpants Currently chasing Lianhaun
Soul Reaver Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2003.06.27 07:24:00 - [50] Ywev We have several things planned for you :) You wont be in it for much longer so I would start saving for your next one if I was you! Advanced Run Away / Rank 5 / SP: 507439 of 1280000 Currently training to: level 5 Time left: 12 days, 22 hours, 3 minutes, 24 seconds
Bambi	Posted - 2003.06.27 08:09:00 - [51] Maybe this could be the end of M0o then, it wont be another corp or alliance of corps that wipe them out, bordem will be the killer. I can see how it can get boring poding frigates and indy ships from a battleship or cruiser. That would be like mining in a 0.9 sec system with a cruiser and fighting the belt spawns for a challenge!!! Why not go to Jove space and wait for a GM to come and remove you, and try to pod kill him....(or her) Another alternative is to kill yer main characters and start a true roleplaying character that doesnt just play the game mechanics to min/max stats and skills, now there is a novel idea............. If God made us to be just like him, then God is dumb and maybe a little ugly on the side...[F.Z]
Bambi	Posted - 2003.06.27 08:09:00 - [52] Maybe this could be the end of M0o then, it wont be another corp or alliance of corps that wipe them out, bordem will be the killer. I can see how it can get boring poding frigates and indy ships from a battleship or cruiser. That would be like mining in a 0.9 sec system with a cruiser and fighting the belt spawns for a challenge!!! Why not go to Jove space and wait for a GM to come and remove you, and try to pod kill him....(or her) Another alternative is to kill yer main characters and start a true roleplaying character that doesnt just play the game mechanics to min/max stats and skills, now there is a novel idea.............
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.06.27 08:25:00 - [53] Boredom comes from having the best ships far too quickly - anything worth having has been gotten in the first 2 months. Hardly condusive to long-term roleplaying, eh? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2003.06.27 08:25:00 - [54] Boredom comes from having the best ships far too quickly - anything worth having has been gotten in the first 2 months. Hardly condusive to long-term roleplaying, eh?
Brock	Posted - 2003.06.27 09:21:00 - [55] "" No, we'd prefer that they act like a normal MMORPG company and hire enough people to have one team working on new content, and the other team working on fixing existing content. "" Just want to say a HUGE 'Amen' to that sentiment. Where are the global NPC events that could excite/unite people? There is precious little communication from CCP in this forum save the usual clicks (yawn) so we can't be sure they are coming, and if they are on the way they will have been tested out on 4 players and small dog so god only knows if they will hang together anyway!
Brock Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2003.06.27 09:21:00 - [56] "" No, we'd prefer that they act like a normal MMORPG company and hire enough people to have one team working on new content, and the other team working on fixing existing content. "" Just want to say a HUGE 'Amen' to that sentiment. Where are the global NPC events that could excite/unite people? There is precious little communication from CCP in this forum save the usual clicks (yawn) so we can't be sure they are coming, and if they are on the way they will have been tested out on 4 players and small dog so god only knows if they will hang together anyway!
Carp Riddell	Posted - 2003.06.27 10:56:00 - [57] Just as a matter of interest, how many of those of you complaining in this thread that there's nothing left to achieve in the game are _actually_ flying battleships? The galaxy is hardly swarming with them. - Carp Riddell - CEO, Innsmouth Shipping - Proud Member of Curse Alliance
Carp Riddell Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2003.06.27 10:56:00 - [58] Just as a matter of interest, how many of those of you complaining in this thread that there's nothing left to achieve in the game are _actually_ flying battleships? The galaxy is hardly swarming with them. - Carp Riddell - CEO, Innsmouth Shipping - Proud Member of Curse Alliance
ABNTanker	Posted - 2003.06.27 11:05:00 - [59] A major issue as far as content goes is player made stations. ALOT of player interaction can take place with them but I have yet to hear of anyone actually finding one of those platforms. I also heard a nasty rumour that player made stations cant be destroyed, I sure hope that isnt true. Titans and player made jump gates are other things as well.
ABNTanker Brutor tribe	Posted - 2003.06.27 11:05:00 - [60] A major issue as far as content goes is player made stations. ALOT of player interaction can take place with them but I have yet to hear of anyone actually finding one of those platforms. I also heard a nasty rumour that player made stations cant be destroyed, I sure hope that isnt true. Titans and player made jump gates are other things as well.

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