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Carmelengo
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Posted - 2010.04.29 02:14:00 -
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I plan on doing some low-sec trading, and thus I will need a suitable ship. I'm not planning on joining a corp for a while, and I don't know anyone who plays EVE. A blockade runner seems ideal since it can use a cloaking device II, and can be fitted with a reasonable tank while still getting good cargo capacity. I just want some more experienced opinions on them in general, and their usefulness.
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scunner funk
Minmatar
Connoisseurs Of Hallucination
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Posted - 2010.04.29 02:36:00 -
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The only problem with blockade runners is that they are so useful you may end up living in your prowler.
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Setsuko Suzuki
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Posted - 2010.04.29 02:41:00 -
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I haven't taken my blockade runner into lowsec often, but it's gotten me through safely every time so far.
Keep in mind that mounting a tank can actually make you more vulnerable; shield extenders increase your signature radius, and armor plates slow your align time, both of which make it more likely someone will be able to lock onto you and tackle you. A blockade runner's best defense is it's cloak.
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Dragonmede
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Posted - 2010.04.29 02:43:00 -
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The usefulness of Blockade runners depends greatly upon the cargo you are trying to run.
Their mostly used by player corps to move supplies out to their POS in low or null sec.
Secondary use is for a manufacturer to move product out to NPC stations for resale and servicing a market. The last thing you want to do is take open contracts to move packages to low sec. A very common ploy is to post a courier contract into a low sec system with limited access, and then gate camp/gank the courier when they try to make the delivery.
These packages are usually junk which is excessively insured for loss. The moment you accept the contract, the gate campers are notified, and the payoff comes when you fail to deliver. You can expect that the camp will be expecting you at the gate and at the point of delivery.
So unless you have a market your looking to supply, or a POS to stock, a Blockade runner is useful only as bait for PvP, or a low agility fleet scout/ammo carrier.
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Sanity Feyat
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Posted - 2010.04.29 02:47:00 -
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Worth it? Hell yes.
If you are running solo the blockade runner is a must. Ignore the tank it simply wont save you, you want to align and warp as fast as possible - inertial stabs, nanofibre internal structure, and for rigs look at low friction nozzles and polycarbon engine housing.
As above, I love my Prowler.
gl and fly safe
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Coralise
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Posted - 2010.04.29 03:10:00 -
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Totally worth it, and Scunner is right when he says you'll like it so much you'll end up living in your Prowler.
I make 10-12 supply runs a day through 5 busy low/zerosec systems to our alliance's station. Ive slipped through bubbles, past camps, and generally moved unseen through hostile space with ease. As long as you are not careless, it is very hard to get caught. Forget mounting a tank, just focus on decreasing your align time and getting into warp asap.
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Carmelengo
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Posted - 2010.04.29 03:19:00 -
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Well, I plan on doing buy low/sell high type things- courier contracts are a no.
Hmmmm.... Looking at fits with EFT, but I can't find anything to fit in my other mid-slot. Would an EMC be a good idea, for target disruption and all?
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.29 03:34:00 -
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Blockade runners are where it's at for getting stuff through low-sec safely.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.29 05:14:00 -
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Blockade Runners are worth the pain of racial Industrial 5. Everyone should train it in my opinion, as they are so incredbly useful. Basically a really big shuttle with a covert cloak.
I have a T2 cargo rigged Crane. Lowsec gatecamps are a joke, unless you are stupid or drunk. Nulsec bubble-camps require care, but it is possible to get through them.
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Ugly Janis
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Posted - 2010.04.29 05:31:00 -
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I pretty much live in my Prowler. I have few of them with different setups. Sitting in work atm. so cant remember them fully, but one is
nano rigged, nanoed, 10mn MWD, ecm burst, small shield extender, cloaky and a salvager.
This one I use to scout, to haul, to loot dead enemies and carry some extra ammo/cap boosters on roamings. The ECM burst have saved my life several times in nullsec. The align time is almost the same as in a cheetah cov-ops. When I need more cargo, swith the nano modules to cargo expanders.
The second one I use mainly in lowsec, due to its pretty expensive price (note, requires transport ships V)
Nano rigged, Smokescreen cov-ops cloak, sisters combat probe launcher, 10mn MWD, Dread Guristas CPU upgrade (maybe two, cant remember)
Still it can scout safely in lowsec, it can probe targets from safespots/missions/plexes and haul a good 4400m3
Last one is cargo rigged, expanded cargoholds and the MWD, salvager, ecm burst setup. It has almost 10k m3 of cargo cap and it is used for more hauling. Cant get a cruiser hull to cargo thou (expect t3) whitch kind of sucks, but one cant get it all.
The Mastodon wont save you in lowsec. It has a deacent tank and huge possible max cargo and the inbuild stabs, but nothing a HIC wouldn't catch. I still own one of these for hauling cruiser and battlecruiser sized hulls for my sec status handicapped main character. This ship has a unbelieveble slow align time. Its something up to 30seconds, whitch will give anybody more than enough time to kill you even without a point.
Ugly Janis
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Lutz Major
Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo
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Posted - 2010.04.29 07:08:00 -
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 Originally by: scunner funk
The only problem with blockade runners is that they are so useful you may end up living in your prowler.
I do  Every non-combat flight is in my Prowler.
Just don't get agitated in a gate camp or bubble. Keep your head clear. You have 30 seconds until you decloak from jumping. Use it wisely.
[Prowler, Rubber Duck]
Inertia Stabilizers II
Inertia Stabilizers II
F-S9 Regolith Deflection Shield Induction
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Salvager I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
With two Expanded Cargohold IIs, I transport two GSCs.
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Vormico
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Posted - 2010.04.29 07:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ugly Janis
The Mastodon wont save you in lowsec. It has a deacent tank and huge possible max cargo and the inbuild stabs, but nothing a HIC wouldn't catch. I still own one of these for hauling cruiser and battlecruiser sized hulls for my sec status handicapped main character. This ship has a unbelieveble slow align time. Its something up to 30seconds, whitch will give anybody more than enough time to kill you even without a point.
you can still use this ship successfully in low sec if you need to move large amount of stuff by using MWD/cloak trick. If done properly it'll only take 10 seconds to align and awhile aligning you are cloaked. Of course its not as safe as a covert op transport(in 10 seconds something could burn to where they last saw ya and decloaked you.
I've only risked this a few times and only jumped into a gate camp once (they did not catch me. but I do still do this in highsec when I carry alot of stuff (if my cargo hold is empty or worthless I forgo the cloak and just pulse my MWD once to reduce align time)
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RentableMuffin
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Posted - 2010.04.29 07:34:00 -
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blockade runners are very awesome!
although I would question your use, I don't really see a market in lowsec trading. damn near everyone has enough alts to make a jita run at some point.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2010.04.29 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: Wet Ferret on 29/04/2010 10:32:01
Originally by: scunner funk
The only problem with blockade runners is that they are so useful you may end up living in your prowler.
So true. <3 my prowler, I take it with me everywhere.
Originally by: RentableMuffin
blockade runners are very awesome!
although I would question your use, I don't really see a market in lowsec trading. damn near everyone has enough alts to make a jita run at some point.
Well even high-sec trading often has low-sec shortcuts. Personally I live out of solitude and have a very long trip through low-sec to get to Jita (if I want to avoid 0.0, which I do... **** syndicate) which is technically a high-sec to high-sec trade.
But for the record, I only changed my sig because I was annoying myself with the last one.
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Carmelengo
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.29 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: RentableMuffin
blockade runners are very awesome!
although I would question your use, I don't really see a market in lowsec trading. damn near everyone has enough alts to make a jita run at some point.
Well, it's more trading anywhere- but I know I'll have to go into low sec down to 0.1 at some point.
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Zewron
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.29 10:36:00 -
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Can anyone please explain to me why choose a Transport Ship over a T3 Cruiser with Interdiction Nulifier and Covert Reconfiguration subsytems?
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2010.04.29 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Zewron
Can anyone please explain to me why choose a Transport Ship over a T3 Cruiser with Interdiction Nulifier and Covert Reconfiguration subsytems?
To save 600 mil I guess.
But for the record, I only changed my sig because I was annoying myself with the last one.
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Lutz Major
Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo
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Posted - 2010.04.29 10:55:00 -
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^ this and maybe to have higher carghold, better align time, 9 AU warp speed instead of 3 AU, ...
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.29 10:57:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 29/04/2010 11:00:33
Originally by: Zewron
Can anyone please explain to me why choose a Transport Ship over a T3 Cruiser with Interdiction Nulifier and Covert Reconfiguration subsytems?
5û10,000m¦, not being an instant target, warping faster and costing a whole lot less.
More to the topic at hand, I'd go so far as to say that Blockade Runners are probably among the most fit-for-purpose and worth-while ships in the gameà 
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.04.29 11:05:00 -
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I do lowsec and 0.0 trading.
A blockade runner is great - but if you set it up for speed a smart bomb trap is going to nail it. And eventually youll hit one.
That said unless you know a particular market for a particular items youll find low sec isnt all that profitable. There is very little trading there over all.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Maisonian
Amarr
The Green Machine
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.29 11:07:00 -
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I couldn't agree more with the opinions of this thread, Blockade runners are without doubt some of the most useful ships in the game. Roughly 10k m3 on each BR means you can happily deliver frigates, modules and ammo to your desired destination without problems. I've used the Prorator istab and nano fit for drug running in lowsec and 0.0, it aligns like an interceptor and cloaks too. These ships are a genuine asset to have, well worth training for!
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Carmelengo
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.29 11:24:00 -
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How are these fits? One is with no skills, the other is all V, so I'll be somewhere in between. Oh, and I'll replace the ECM w/ a MWD on the salvager fit one. (that one is cap stable at 54/88% depending on what's off.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.04.29 11:54:00 -
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As to comparing blockade runners to T3 with cloaks and nullifiers.
T3 align almost just as slow as blockade runners
T3 cost 5 times a much.
T3 Have much smaller cargo capacity.
T3 are bubble immune.
T3 warp much slower.
There are times a T3 is but its not always.
4 factors matter mostly. Align time, signature, tank and number of warp stabs. You have to pick your tade offs between those 4 factors.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.29 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
T3 align almost just as slow as blockade runners
 Slow? What are you doing to your poor BR to make it align in any way that approaches "slow"?
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Lutz Major
Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo
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Posted - 2010.04.29 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Carmelengo
How are these fits? One is with no skills, the other is all V, so I'll be somewhere in between. Oh, and I'll replace the ECM w/ a MWD on the salvager fit one. (that one is cap stable at 54/88% depending on what's off.
I would change the nanos for inertias. Align time is more important than top speed.
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Neesa Corrinne
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.04.29 12:40:00 -
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I have the Gallente blockade runner on my alt, and it has proven to be indispensable for moving my personal goods around that I don't trust in anyone else's hands.
I have yet to lose a blockade runner either in 0.0 or low sec since they allowed it to warp cloaked.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2010.04.29 13:08:00 -
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Edited by: Wet Ferret on 29/04/2010 13:08:52
Originally by: Carmelengo
How are these fits? One is with no skills, the other is all V, so I'll be somewhere in between. Oh, and I'll replace the ECM w/ a MWD on the salvager fit one. (that one is cap stable at 54/88% depending on what's off.
Prowler is pretty simple to fit, you got a cookiecutter for everything.
Rigs - one polycarb, one cargohold
For highsec - 2 cargohold in lows (or istabs if you don't need the space)
For low-sec - 2 meta 4 inertial stabs in lows (won't ever get locked)
For 0.0 - 2 T2 nanofibers in lows (get out of bubbles, back to gates etc)
Mids - always the same - named 10mn MWD and 2 Invuln IIs
Highs - cov ops cloak and whatever else (I use a probe launcher... just in case)
BTW, with both invulns running the prowler should survive 2 battleships running full racks of the best officer smartbombs.
That is IMO the best thing about it.
P.S. Thanks for breaking the forum
But for the record, I only changed my sig because I was annoying myself with the last one.
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Lutz Major
Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo
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Posted - 2010.04.29 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Wet Ferret
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Mids - always the same - named 10mn MWD and 2 Invuln IIs
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BTW, with both invulns running the prowler should survive 2 battleships running full racks of the best officer smartbombs.
I'd like to object the fitting of invuls. I'm not a fitting specialist, but I think that passive hardeners are better than aktive ones.
If you are in a blockade runner, you are stealthy. And you remain in stealth mode, until you jump. Active hardeners will not help you, because you cannot active them in stealth mode and therefor are useless when smartbombed.
Sure, once you get decloaked you can activate them, but IMO it's far too late then.
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Mona X
Caldari
C0VEN
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Posted - 2010.04.29 13:36:00 -
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Train some compensations then.
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Gajatu D'Gorah
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Posted - 2010.04.29 13:44:00 -
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I just trained into a blockade runner. Well worth it, even in high sec. If you're carrying small amounts of goods, you can get there fast. if those goods are also high-value, you can get there virtually unseen...
I used to be afraid of a hop or two through low sec. I'm still wary, but less afraid in my blockade runner.
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