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William DeMeo Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.30 16:24:00 - [1] Hi, My name is William Demeo (ingame). I would like to make proposal for game of EvE Online. I will make general discussion of subject matter, so I hope this is correct place to do so. I want to discuss the issue of human players who are pretending to be NPC rats. That is uncivil, and I do not belief that is the whole point of this multiplayer game. In current status of the game, players are free to PK other human being players at will. If they do so in high security solar systems and they do not have legitimate basis for their actions (war target, kill rights, anti-piracy, etc), they will be made into pod by intervention of Concord forces, or the local Faction Patrol. Fair enough so far. But imagine this scene - you are in a low security solar system. I know you get a warning message when you initiate jump into such a system, but to be honest, don't we all just make click of "yes" on every confirmatory dialog box pop up window? So continuing with the exemplary scene of example. Imagine you are in a hauler, carrying valuable skill training books for your entire corporation. You jump in to low security solar system, and your cellular telephome starts ringing. Since you specifically assigned a special tone to your girlfriend, and that tone is playinf right now, you know it is your girlfriend who is making a call to you. You say "OK, I have 1 minute of cloaked time at this side of the gate, I will make short talk with my girl friend in that time frame, and come back to travel on in the game". Nice thinking, but not always practical. I say so because this has happened to me IRL. Because IRL matters are not that simple, and cannot be predicted as easily as ingame events. I mean for example if you could hold your cloak of invisibility at the gate after you jump, say, until you press another key, any key (including mouse buttons), that would be fair in my opinion of thought. But for example, let's say you went for a toilet break after you jumped into low security solar system. You know you have 1 minutes of cloaked time, and you are affirmative you can complete your toilet break under 1 minute. But what if there is a line of waiting at the toilet?? (This also happened to me, FYI) To be honest, I do not like the way EvE Online game is in such ways detached from realities of IRL. Not fair. So my proposal is this: Make pirating human players (those who PK spaceships of other human beings) pay more IRL money for their monthly subscription. It is obvious these kind of players (pirates) make the game play experience worse for peaceful players already. The security status is a joke, they just get an alternative character and haul stuff with that. Not even remotely balancing. Nowhere near discouraging. But if every pirate pays, say, 0.1 more monthly for every human player they killed within the past month, I do believe we could make better pace in the everlasting battle of eliminating all criminals from the game. I do believe this is only a slight punishment the way I have exemplified above, but I am also aware it already too much for the EvE Online gaming community to absorb. That is why I am not posting this post in Crime & Punishment forum. I would probably be podded 10 times every day if I did so. I would very much like to hear your views on my proposal, and I thank you for your attention if you read my postage of discussion this far. Fly safe. Horses. Before the automobile, it was the horse that was used for transportation. Wars, exploring... were fought with men on horses. Must have been interesting back then when many people had horses as
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2010.04.30 16:33:00 - [2] Horrible, horrible idea. The ability to pirate is part of the game. Also, pirates don't just grief players - Take fw for example, when the enemy militia is in a downswing, pirates often provide the bulk of pew pew available due to their "we'll shoot anyone" stance. Piracy is a valid lifestyle - I admit changes need to be made with suicide ganks and insurance payouts, but once you hit lowsec - It's the wild, wild west.
Gunnanmon Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.04.30 16:42:00 - [3] Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
Fon Revedhort Monks of War Monks of War.	Posted - 2010.04.30 16:48:00 - [4] Actually it's got to be vice versa - pirates should pay less since they're playing @ hard mode and doing the most unthankfull job in the whole game, effectively allowing CCP to claim EVE as a MMORPG game. Get real - are there any other roles out there? Miner/manufacturer? Ok, anything else? A regular soldier? R-r-right... Piracy is just the very juice of EVE (or at least that's how things should be arranged), those who embraced this path deserve an honest praise. ---[center] Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
ShahFluffers Gallente Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.04.30 17:30:00 - [5] Wait... let me get this straight: you want to PENALIZE the very essence that makes this game unique? Sorry, but the stated theme (by the Developers I might add) is that this is a PvP game. If you have to go to the bathroom and can't "mother" your fragile ship with its expensive cargo, dock up. If your GF calls and you're in fleet or in the middle of doing something, excuse yourself and dock up (if your corp or friends give you **** for this tell them the cardinal rule of gaming, "real life comes first"). In short: You're not glued to the computer. You can do things to make yourself safe. Outside of cloaking in a safespot or docking in a station, NEVER assume you are safe... ESPECIALLY in low-sec (of all places). _______________________ "Just because I look like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown
Thanatos Revolution	Posted - 2010.04.30 17:50:00 - [6] Fail.
Di Mulle	Posted - 2010.04.30 18:06:00 - [7] hey ! Ever considered a comedian career ?
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive The Obsidian Legion	Posted - 2010.04.30 18:07:00 - [8] I have nothing intelligent to say here, so I will simply say this is a horrible idea. --Vel Originally by: Jiseinoku Mining is the path to enlightement.
Marius Prime	Posted - 2010.04.30 18:18:00 - [9] This is worth idea in entire history scince King Olaf The Hairy ordered 500 Norse battlehelmets with the spikes on the inside.
Zilberfrid	Posted - 2010.04.30 18:27:00 - [10] Shoot my ship, pod me and kill my kittens if I jump into a low sec system and go AFK without any sort of defense mechanism. Low sec is not safe, it should feel dangerous, part of the excitement of the game is that you are not alone, and many wish to prey on you. Making the elements that give this atmosphere pay in game is a bad enough idea (more than they pay now in sec hits), but taking it to the real world is a very stupid plan. There are three realities, the in character stuff (which ship you fly, which factions like you etc), the person playing it (tactic, communication with other players), and the world outside eve (your girlfriend calling, logging out of eve because you want to do other stuff -which might be something you need to look into-, your bank account). Mixing the first two is no problem, the third however, should have a minimal impact to the game. Of course you can buy GTC's, and friends who play eve will chat with you, but your actions in the game should not bleed out to actions outside of the game.
Amarr Supremacist	Posted - 2010.04.30 18:46:00 - [11] Supporting this, good idea! ____________ Intigo - go visit www.eve-arena.com for the best Battleclinic killboard replacement yet!
NereSky Gallente Maelstrom Crew Paradigm Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.30 18:49:00 - [12] Originally by: Marius Prime This is worth idea in entire history scince King Olaf The Hairy ordered 500 Norse battlehelmets with the spikes on the inside. Lol - was that from BlackAdder? Theres never a day that go's by in Eve where someone makes me laugh - thanks for the giggle op :)
hgedsku	Posted - 2010.04.30 19:23:00 - [13] This is just a straight up terrible x 1000 idea, I'ma go pod you 10 times now for being an idiot
greymouse Minmatar Black Eclipse Corp	Posted - 2010.04.30 20:38:00 - [14] Originally by: chatgris Horrible, horrible idea. The ability to pirate is part of the game. <snip> Piracy is a valid lifestyle - I admit changes need to be made with suicide ganks and insurance payouts, but once you hit lowsec - It's the wild, wild west. Ba-dingo!!! My objection is to the high-sec piracy/suicide ganking. I see a need to severely limit it. But once out of high-sec, into low- or null-sec... all bets are off. Jumping out of the safe zone draws a big red target on you!! Cry Havoc!! Release the Mice of Menace!!!
Zostera Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.04.30 20:39:00 - [15] Vote William DeMeo for CSM.
KaiserSoze434	Posted - 2010.04.30 20:39:00 - [16] Your idea is horrible. You owe me 25 cents IRL for wasting my time. I award you no points, and may good have mercy on your soul. "Aghast the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is."
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.04.30 21:05:00 - [17] 0/10 Too obvious. Funny though. - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
darius mclever	Posted - 2010.04.30 21:11:00 - [18] Originally by: KaiserSoze434 Your idea is horrible. You owe me 25 cents IRL for wasting my time. I award you no points, and may good have mercy on your soul. so cheap? you should ask for more ;)
B1FF	Posted - 2010.04.30 21:17:00 - [19] Game and life are seperate. Please learn the difference.
Tilaya Miknotti	Posted - 2010.04.30 22:18:00 - [20] This is space, not candy-land where we all hold hands and skip through the meadow.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.04.30 23:36:00 - [21] LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Pretty good troll however. - Originally by: Bellum Eternus That is the beauty of Eve, it's a crucible in which great minds are formed and the rest are ground to dust. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2010.05.01 00:19:00 - [22] Originally by: William DeMeo That is uncivil, and I do not belief that is the whole point of this multiplayer game. LOL! Originally by: William DeMeo So continuing with the exemplary scene of example. Imagine you are in a hauler, carrying valuable skill training books for your entire corporation. You jump in to low security solar system Skills go in your head not in your cargohold.
Dianeces North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.05.01 00:38:00 - [23] This idea would bring some much needed balance to the pirating aspect of the game.
WasahB Project Nemesis	Posted - 2010.05.01 03:37:00 - [24] Edited by: WasahB on 01/05/2010 03:37:02 If Intigo and Dianeces support, then this obviously must be a solid idea.
mazzilliu Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.05.01 05:45:00 - [25] this reeks of a good idea MAZZILLIU FOR CSM 2010
gpfault NQX Innovations Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.05.01 05:51:00 - [26] Originally by: Bellum Eternus LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Pretty good troll however. Just because William's idea conflicts with your idea of how the game should be played doesn't mean it should be instantly dismissed as a troll. Personally I feel EVE is too heavily stacked in favour of the unsavoury sorts (pirates, greifers, homosexuals, etc) and William's idea is the only fair way of rectifying this situation without introducing arbitray gameplay limitations (eg. WoW-esque PVP flagging). Making anti-social play hit pirates where it hurts, their (parents) credit cards, should make them think twice about engaging in such behavoir.
EdFromHumanResources hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.05.01 11:52:00 - [27] I think anyone that would harm another player's hard earned assets deserves to pay behind in game. I fully support this idea.
McDuglas	Posted - 2010.05.01 15:10:00 - [28] LOL BTW mad idea... I mean, this is kinda' reality simulation, in terms of punishment... Just you can't die... So called "piracy" is a lifestyle... Well... I don't know if i'm a pirate... Can anyone describe me pirates in eve... I mean, I'm on NBSI - That means, if its a hauler, if its a Battleship, i don't care... I'll just try to kill it, without makeing a suicide...
Olius	Posted - 2010.05.01 15:10:00 - [29] fail proposal is fail
CommanderData211	Posted - 2010.05.01 20:51:00 - [30] To all who are supporting this nonsense, a few things must be remembered. EVE is neither a PVP game or a PVE game it is both. But what makes EVE what it is, is the fact that both need to be taken into consideration on the players part. PVP can happen anywhere, and it is not limited to blowing stuff up. Market PVP is just as important to industrialists and carebears as it is to dyed in the wool PVPers. So with your idea I will be charged more money for participating in activities that are specifically designed to make the game function the way it does. When I blow up a ship I will be charged more money? When I modify a market order to make a sale, I will be charged more money? If you fly into LOW-SEC and then rely on your jump cloak to keep you safe while you take a phone call or use the bathroom, you deserve all you get. Dock up before you take the call, or better yet, don't go into low-sec if you are waiting for a call, or even better yet, do BOTH at the same time. It's not that hard to talk on the phone and play EVE at the same time. There are so many ridiculous holes in this idea I can't even stand to comment on it further.

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