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Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 684	Posted - 2012.07.10 17:09:00 - [1] - Quote Gotta say it. CCP, do you think having windows pop open/close on undock, jumping through gates, in different locations, attaching to different purpose set windows is a feature we enjoy? I mean, when I click on the "inventory button", do you think your new feature is "winning" when it opens to an existing purpose set window only useful to see how much ammo and paste I have in my cargo. Or do you think the UI is "winning" when that purpose set micro-inventory window pops open upon dock to a new window that covers most of my screen? And what kind of spite did you have for us when you added back the hanger inventory and ship maint buttons only to have them also assigned to the ship in space.....which of course is probably the crux of this whack-a-mole problem with the current windows. Charlie Sheen can say "winning" however often he likes. But we all know that whatever the reason for saying it, it's still full of fail. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX!
Andoria Thara Fallen Avatars 82	Posted - 2012.07.10 17:12:00 - [2] - Quote *Unified Inventory
Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 684	Posted - 2012.07.10 17:14:00 - [3] - Quote Andoria Thara wrote: *Unified Inventory Thanks fixed. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX!
BearJews Reroute .to. Remain 42	Posted - 2012.07.10 17:40:00 - [4] - Quote it's not bad...get over it already.
KrakizBad Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension 800	Posted - 2012.07.10 17:42:00 - [5] - Quote At least it's better than at launch. Why did you take my wings away?
Equus Royal Order of Security Specialists Late Night Alliance 7	Posted - 2012.07.10 17:43:00 - [6] - Quote BearJews wrote: it's not bad...get over it already.
CARB0N FIBER Derailleurs 26	Posted - 2012.07.10 17:47:00 - [7] - Quote BearJews wrote: it's not bad...get over it already. It is. it's just not the end of the world.
Kievan Arakyd MarSec Industries STR8NGE BREW 52	Posted - 2012.07.10 17:49:00 - [8] - Quote So much butthurt, you just need to get over it. I think Unified Inventory is great. Got my Dust514 key...
Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 687	Posted - 2012.07.10 18:30:00 - [9] - Quote CCP alts detected. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX!
Benjamin Eastwood Oshaima Exports 42	Posted - 2012.07.10 18:34:00 - [10] - Quote I love unified inventory. U mad?

Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 687	Posted - 2012.07.10 19:00:00 - [11] - Quote I can't help it if CCP sticks a turd on a stick telling you it's a new and awesome feature. Some of us are a bit more discerning. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX!
SeaBassSA GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 23	Posted - 2012.07.10 19:04:00 - [12] - Quote Mr Kidd wrote: I can't help it if CCP sticks a turd on a stick telling you it's a new and awesome feature. Some of us are a bit more discerning. Some of us can adapt to change and not get all butt-hurt over little things.
Totalrx NA No Assholes Silver Twilight Enterprises 28	Posted - 2012.07.10 19:06:00 - [13] - Quote SeaBassSA wrote: Some of us can adapt to change and not get all butt-hurt over little things. This was such a small adjustment, that I really didn't give it a second thought. So it's not what I was used to for 7 years. Meh, it's easy enough to use and I, personally, kinda like my screen not being filled with several small windows for various inventory windows. No issues with looting, market trades, corp hangars, reprocessing, etc Still don't see what the big deal is
Captain Stupid Abaddon Innovations Apocalypse Now. 12	Posted - 2012.07.10 19:09:00 - [14] - Quote There is only one thing about it I hate. I will try to explain it as best I can. So, youre docked, and you open your ship cargo by double clicking the ship. The window opens in the position you placed cargo. All is well. Then, you think, I need to drag stuff to hangar. So, you click the "inventory" button, and the cargo window closes. Its fooking annoying. Apart from that, It isnt too bad now, even if it was an unnecessary waste of dev time.
Lady Ayeipsia Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 266	Posted - 2012.07.10 19:11:00 - [15] - Quote SeaBassSA wrote: Mr Kidd wrote: I can't help it if CCP sticks a turd on a stick telling you it's a new and awesome feature. Some of us are a bit more discerning. Some of us can adapt to change and not get all butt-hurt over little things. Exactly. I enjoy it, the UI works well for me, and I've got no complaints.
Ariane VoxDei 56	Posted - 2012.07.10 19:16:00 - [16] - Quote Mr Kidd wrote: CCP alts detected. or plain stockholm fueled denial. They have given up. And to avoid the pain of defeat they now trot out the usual defeatist lines: "It's not so bad" "I actually like it" "it's great" etc. and even use the 'drag them down to our level' and 'stop reminding me of the painful fck'n'chuck that is was' drivel of telling us to give up and let it go. As if... I say screw those losers if they can't man up. You know what, you spineless wretches unworthy of being part of the EVE community, the price of quality, like freedom, is eternal vigilance. CCP shirked that responsibility and ignored play warnings and have yet to rectify the fundamental issues. And now it has carried on for so long that the masses are giving up on Dev ears, realizing that they are deliberately chosing to rather let the player-community relations freeze over than changing bad choices. In effect making it a excercise in futility for the Dilberts and Alices among us to keep trying to hold them to, if not high standards, then at least standards of 'dont make it worse', which is in fact what the inventory system is.
Totalrx NA No Assholes Silver Twilight Enterprises 28	Posted - 2012.07.10 19:20:00 - [17] - Quote Captain Stupid wrote: There is only one thing about it I hate. I will try to explain it as best I can. So, youre docked, and you open your ship cargo by double clicking the ship. The window opens in the position you placed cargo. All is well. Then, you think, I need to drag stuff to hangar. So, you click the "inventory" button, and the cargo window closes. Its fooking annoying. Apart from that, It isnt too bad now, even if it was an unnecessary waste of dev time. How I do it: 1) Open the inventory window via the icon on the left bar 2) Click on my ship and (voila) inventory items 3) Drag and drop where needed I do not double click on the ship. This is the adjustment I made. It was the only adjustment I had to make. It was a simple adjustment to make. There are times where I do need multiple windows open. In that case, I shift click, resize, and drag n drop as needed. Close when done. As I said, all I had to do was not double click on the ship as I had done for 7 years. heck, it saves switch cycles on the tactile switch for my left mouse button
Urgg Boolean Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 172	Posted - 2012.07.10 19:26:00 - [18] - Quote OP: Are you fomenting insurrection again? The Unified Inventory is better than at launch, but that does not mean is any good. I am getting used to it, but that does not mean it is any good. It is still unintuitive, confusing, slow, hard to use for large inventory tasks (it's primary function). There are still basic problems like failure to maintain uniqueness of secondary windows. I still have station containers that refuse to adopt a unique status and will steal each others' config info. So they have not got a handle on object inheritance, one of the most fundamental principles of object oriented programming. Looting was not fixed with the latest patch, or by all means, correct me if it was. I was the Orca pilot earlier this morning, and I can tell you that the UI piece of that job has somewhat improved, but the linear descending tree thing just blows chunks when dealing with many visually/graphically/hierarchically/vertically displayed objects. For those who say DEAL WITH IT, I'd like to point out that all (and I do mean ALL) other games I play have smoothly functioning inventory systems, all with differences, mostly all are very efficient. Name any game: LOTRO, TOR, STO, Black Prophecy, Perpetuum, Diablo III, and even Torchlight. How in God's name does CCP get away with a "new and improved" inventory design that utterly fails to match in any way the smooth functioning UIs of ANY OTHER MODERN MMOs? Lastly, when I play those other games I listed, I literally forget about the UIs as they function so naturally. In EvE, I feel like I'm constantly fighting the UI. The problems with the EvE UI are never more apparent than when I fire up EvE after playing one of those other games and experience the huge, huge differences.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1630	Posted - 2012.07.10 19:34:00 - [19] - Quote Forget to configure Orca hangars for fleet usage and the new and improved UI explodes and hangs. Nuff said. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Ashera Yune Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2012.07.10 19:43:00 - [20] - Quote The unified inventory is annoying. It is obstructive, unintuitive, and more time consuming to use. The unified window is especially an annoyance when you deal with poses, corp hangars, and ships with fuel bay, ship main bay, corp hangar, etc like I do. Those who say its great knows nothing until they try flying an orca or a pos. Accept crap like this and you will meet your downfall. All game will diaf become players begin to accept crap that is given to them as a "feature". We must kill the roots, reject it and destroy it, before it grows to become a big problem.

THE L0CK Denying You Access 628	Posted - 2012.07.10 19:48:00 - [21] - Quote It's sexy and you know it Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
Bubanni SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 341	Posted - 2012.07.10 20:33:00 - [22] - Quote My main problem with the new inventory is that they thougt it would be so awesome... so they decided to also remove the shortcut to drone bay and such when you right click your ship... you know... just like that ttime when they removed right click on ship while docked..
KrakizBad Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension 801	Posted - 2012.07.10 20:37:00 - [23] - Quote Ariane VoxDei wrote: Mr Kidd wrote: CCP alts detected. or plain stockholm fueled denial. About the only thing that really sucks is the tower UI, that I've seen. Aside from some wonky things like what happens to Orcas, I am really loving a lot about the UI, doesn't mean I've given up. Filters especially are awesome, I hope they give finer detail to them in future. I'll bet you hated the new trails too. Why did you take my wings away?
Grath Telkin Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 815	Posted - 2012.07.10 20:50:00 - [24] - Quote Ashera Yune wrote: Those who say its great knows nothing until they try flying an orca or a pos. I fly a titan in a fleet of titans often times starting in a POS, the inventory is better than fine, its great, the ONLY change i would ask for is that they NAME the other ships in the list by pilot name. Really if you can't figure this new inventory out in a comfortable way you should console yourself with the knowledge that a half blind one armed monkey probably wouldn't have a problem navigating it but for some reason you do. Way to be dumber than a one armed half blind monkey.
black cree Utopian Research I.E.L. 33	Posted - 2012.07.10 21:44:00 - [25] - Quote This inventory makes sense only if you use a gamepad. Who would want to adapt eve to a console? oh wait.
MadMuppet Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS 494	Posted - 2012.07.10 22:18:00 - [26] - Quote It still has issues and is only barely tolerable. Looting is still a pain unless you are in a Noctis and sit still, dragging everything in. The on-the fly looting sucks, especially when timing is critical. When you hit 'Inventory' on the Neocom in the station it gives you the cargo bay of the ship, I would like the option to default to the item hangar. If you have a separate cargo bay open and you undock you will have it in space and it does not respond to the cargo button (which opens the space version). When you change ships the active cargo bay remains the last ship. If you fly an Orca you need to make the tree large enough to see everything, and bay handling is a pain. etc etc etc TLDR With the old system I knew THAT was my cargo bay, THAT was my item hangar, and THAT was my loot. Now I need to double check to see IF that is my cargo bay, IF that is my item hangar, and IF that is my loot window. It should be called Uncertainty Inventory. If I tried to make a type of coffee that made all of you happy, and you rated it, the group score for it would be about 60 out of 100. Break into 3 or 4 coffee clusters, and made coffee just for each cluster, the scores would go from 60 to 78. The difference between coffee at 60 and coffee at 78 is a difference between coffee that makes you wince or makes you happy.
Masikari State War Academy Caldari State 43	Posted - 2012.07.10 22:20:00 - [27] - Quote I have figured out how to use the inventory, I have adapted and I can use it fine. Using it is almost second nature now. Doesn't mean I like it, though
Apostate Lucius The Plebian Republic 14	Posted - 2012.07.10 22:31:00 - [28] - Quote Mr Kidd wrote: CCP alts detected. Hardly, just people who quickly adapted and utilized what they were given with a minimum of muss and fuss. Sure, I thought it was clunky for the first ten minutes, then I figured it out and resumed playing my game. I'm kind of sad that they changed a classic feature that probably didn't need to be changed, but it's not game-breaking by any stretch of the imagination. It is what it is, nothing more, nothing less. Let Caesar never forget, though he may rule with the authority of the gods, he is allowed to rule by the whim of the people.
Ptraci 3 R Corporation The Irukandji 561	Posted - 2012.07.10 22:37:00 - [29] - Quote Opening my inventory in the presence of another nearby Rorqual who hadn't set permission for viewing his corp hangar = endless lols while watching a little circle spin and spin. Warping away doesn't help, every time you try to see your own inventory afterwards, spin spin spin little circle. Only thing that "fixed" it - close client, restart client, log in again. Yeah, love the new unified inventory.
Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 691	Posted - 2012.07.10 23:31:00 - [30] - Quote Apostate Lucius wrote: Mr Kidd wrote: CCP alts detected. Hardly, just people who quickly adapted and utilized what they were given with a minimum of muss and fuss. Sure, I thought it was clunky for the first ten minutes, then I figured it out and resumed playing my game. I'm kind of sad that they changed a classic feature that probably didn't need to be changed, but it's not game-breaking by any stretch of the imagination. It is what it is, nothing more, nothing less. That's fine. If you want to quickly adapt to having a marginally working utility fine. Others appear not to. I support them because I don't like having to open a can in space in a separate by first opening it, expanding the UI which I've made smaller for another purpose in order to scroll down to find it just so I can open it up in it's own window to then select what I had open previous and resizing it back for the use it was sized to begin with. That's not adaptation my friend. That's coping. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX!



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