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Cat o'Ninetails Caldari Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2010.05.06 01:38:00 - [1] Have fun everyone, but remember, you will deserve the choices you make. x ps bnp Have you voted Cat today? My Facebook!
Musical Fist Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.05.06 07:57:00 - [2] I was going to vote conservatives but I figured I would just avoid voting in general, UK is kind of like a terminal cancer, its got to the stage where it cant be fixed, time to leave the sinking ship imo This is so not my main
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Aeternus.	Posted - 2010.05.06 08:21:00 - [3] Looked at all the parties in my area and all of them are either lieing or the BNP
RaTTuS BIG Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.05.06 09:38:00 - [4] I was 1st to Vote in my station. I suggest that you do vote - if you don't then you don't have any right to complain later -- \| Capital
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation	Posted - 2010.05.06 10:33:00 - [5] Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails Have fun everyone, but remember, you will deserve the choices you make. So true, Cat. You will never get my vote. --
Gaius Weyland Caldari Weyland Research Institute	Posted - 2010.05.06 11:03:00 - [6] Originally by: RaTTuS I suggest that you do vote - if you don't then you don't have any right to complain later This imo
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.06 11:49:00 - [7] 1st election in a long time where there's been this close between the 3 parties. LibDem never stood a chance in previous elections and voting for them was like throwing your vote away 'cause they'd never get in, but things have changed and they've changed a lot. Which is good for me, 'cause Labour has ruined this country and Conservatives don't represent my interests whatsoever. - Malyutka (The Virus) -
Vogue Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.06 11:59:00 - [8] It does not matter who you vote for you still have to report to the same douche at work. So if you want today to bring a start of real change in your life kidnap your boss then throw him into the sea in a big bag
Haxfar Portlaind	Posted - 2010.05.06 12:42:00 - [9] Fail bnp, fail Battle for britain campaign and polish spitfire...
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.06 13:11:00 - [10] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 06/05/2010 13:15:46 If the individual is an actual conscientious objector then they do still have the right to complain. Now if the individual just doesn't give a **** then true, they do not have a right to complain. Either way, my best wishes are out there for you all. EDIT: To clarify; I believe that conscientious objection goes beyond just refusing military service. I believe that conscientious objection can be applied to/by socio-political belief systems as well as the traditional application of opposing military service based or moral and/or religious beliefs. Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Kirra Liu Echelon Holdings Echelon.	Posted - 2010.05.06 13:14:00 - [11] Originally by: RaTTuS I suggest that you do vote - if you don't then you don't have any right to complain later I hear this all the time but I refuse to vote for a bunch of lying, scheming idiots just because I have to. When you have the right to vote then you have the same right not to vote. As for not having the right to complain later if you don't vote, I completely disagree as in my opinion every tax payer has the right to complain if they feel the need to.
Vogue Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.06 13:22:00 - [12] Edited by: Vogue on 06/05/2010 13:25:08 Edited by: Vogue on 06/05/2010 13:22:53 Imo politicians are hypocrites becuase voters are. People want government services but at the same time don't like high taxation. Politics in a 'democracy' is about compromise for the masses and moral balance. But not rights for the individual. People in the UK are in denial about the huge deficit. If any party said 'when we get in we are going to slash spending for the long term health of the economy' they would not get voted in. If voters want honest politicians then they need to get honest themselves. For example if voters don't like the western presence in the middle east then they should accept unstable and higher oil prices if USA and others moved out.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.06 13:31:00 - [13] Originally by: Kirra Liu Originally by: RaTTuS I suggest that you do vote - if you don't then you don't have any right to complain later I hear this all the time but I refuse to vote for a bunch of lying, scheming idiots just because I have to. When you have the right to vote then you have the same right not to vote. As for not having the right to complain later if you don't vote, I completely disagree as in my opinion every tax payer has the right to complain if they feel the need to. I agree but someone is going to get in regardless if you vote or not. Better it be the one you hate the least - Malyutka (The Virus) -
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.05.06 15:27:00 - [14] Edited by: Tallaran Kouros on 06/05/2010 15:27:35 Edited by: Tallaran Kouros on 06/05/2010 15:27:10 Originally by: Kirra Liu I hear this all the time but I refuse to vote for a bunch of lying, scheming idiots just because I have to. That pretty much sums up what's wrong with the UK at the moment - lots of ********s who complain but won't do anything about it. In plenty of countries it's a criminal offense not to vote and it should be the same here. If you don't like the system then engage with it and change it - nothing is going to happen if you just sit on your fat arse and complain about nothing happening.
el Sabor	Posted - 2010.05.06 15:37:00 - [15] Originally by: Kirra Liu Originally by: RaTTuS I suggest that you do vote - if you don't then you don't have any right to complain later I hear this all the time but I refuse to vote for a bunch of lying, scheming idiots just because I have to. When you have the right to vote then you have the same right not to vote. As for not having the right to complain later if you don't vote, I completely disagree as in my opinion every tax payer has the right to complain if they feel the need to. For all the objectors... remember you can write something along the lines of "no suitable candidates" on your ballot to show your objection and still be counted.
Kirra Liu Echelon Holdings Echelon.	Posted - 2010.05.06 15:42:00 - [16] Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Edited by: Tallaran Kouros on 06/05/2010 15:27:35 Edited by: Tallaran Kouros on 06/05/2010 15:27:10 Originally by: Kirra Liu I hear this all the time but I refuse to vote for a bunch of lying, scheming idiots just because I have to. That pretty much sums up what's wrong with the UK at the moment - lots of ******s who complain but won't do anything about it. In plenty of countries it's a criminal offense not to vote and it should be the same here. If you don't like the system then engage with it and change it - nothing is going to happen if you just sit on your fat arse and complain about nothing happening. Nice. So because we have a right to vote we shouldn't have the right not to vote? There is one political party that I agree with a number of their policies but I feel that voting for them would be like voting for the ** party and immoral. But no, obviously I am just sitting on my fat arse, complaining as you say. No wonder politics threads aren't valid on this forum when people try turning it onto personal attacks on the first page.
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation	Posted - 2010.05.06 16:53:00 - [17] Originally by: RaTTuS I suggest that you do vote - if you don't then you don't have any right to complain later That is BS. People can choose to vote for whomever they want, and if they find that there is no one to vote for then they certainly do have the right to complain about it. One can choose to vote for the lesser evil, but no one shall ever have to. Instead, one can argue that those who voted may not have the right to complain about it later if their choice turns out to be crap. But you will not see this happening either ... --
Unity Love Caldari Dissonance Corp	Posted - 2010.05.06 17:03:00 - [18] It is beyond easy to make multiple fraudulent votes in this country... I think between my uni address and home address I can make 4 votes and thats with me not making up people at my address and using the postal vote. I would vote Labour but in my constituency it would be a wasted vote.
Simeon Tor	Posted - 2010.05.06 17:26:00 - [19] I thought talking about politics was banned
Vogue Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.06 17:37:00 - [20] I once had two voting cards for a general election. I only used one. I will watch the general election coverage throughout the night. It's like a sports event in a way.
ReaperOfSly Gallente 1st Cavalry Division Primary.	Posted - 2010.05.06 20:24:00 - [21] Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: RaTTuS I suggest that you do vote - if you don't then you don't have any right to complain later That is BS. People can choose to vote for whomever they want, and if they find that there is no one to vote for then they certainly do have the right to complain about it. One can choose to vote for the lesser evil, but no one shall ever have to. Instead, one can argue that those who voted may not have the right to complain about it later if their choice turns out to be crap. But you will not see this happening either ... The answer here is to spoil the ballot paper because it will get counted as a rejected vote. But if you simply refrain from voting, it will be shrugged off as "voter apathy". There's a difference. ____________________
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation	Posted - 2010.05.06 21:12:00 - [22] Originally by: ReaperOfSly The answer here is to spoil the ballot paper because it will get counted as a rejected vote. But if you simply refrain from voting, it will be shrugged off as "voter apathy". There's a difference. Not quite. The problem is that some people just cannot live with the thought of others not going to a vote. They come up with reasoning, logic and judgement, rather than to accept it as the people's liberty - as if the world would collapse when they did accept it as such. They then quickly believe that allowing such liberty would automatically result in sodomy, anarchy and what not. So they are willing to accept that some people spoil the paper only so they can disregard others as apathic. It is utter nonsense and the bureaucracy version of a pyrrhic victory. --
Lt Forge Pilots From Honour Aeternus.	Posted - 2010.05.06 21:39:00 - [23] I heard the Conservatives are in the lead. Good job Conservatives. Make Islamo-Labour cry. _______________________________________________________________________
Krogen Kell	Posted - 2010.05.06 21:44:00 - [24] was gonna go for conserv as well just to get rude of brown, but than i heard most people will do that too. so i decided not to vote, this way at least i can say that i didnt bote for conserv when they inevitably **** up as well.
Krotfric McEnchroe Gallente Medical Mechanical Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.06 22:13:00 - [25] Well here in northern Ireland, we don't really bother with the labour/conservative/lib Dem parties. Considering we've been improving year by year, i voted DUP. Though i can't stand Brown, so hopefully the Tories or lib dems will win (leaning towards Tories at the mo)
el Sabor	Posted - 2010.05.06 22:18:00 - [26] Originally by: Krogen Kell was gonna go for conserv as well just to get rude of brown, but than i heard most people will do that too. so i decided not to vote, this way at least i can say that i didnt bote for conserv when they inevitably **** up as well. Surely that is then your fault for not voting against them when you think they will screw up?
senitaph core Amarr	Posted - 2010.05.06 22:22:00 - [27] weee my x was down at 7am this morning come on cleggy ( sheffied voter here )
jason hill Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.06 22:38:00 - [28] 1st count is in sunderland ...labour ...won .... but lost a big chunk of thier voter base destroy everything you touch
Arianhod Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2010.05.06 23:59:00 - [29] Edited by: Arianhod on 07/05/2010 00:04:26 Slammed down my x on the LibDems after luncheon today. 5 - Labour 1 - LibDem 0 - Conservative 3 - Other As it stands there is an issue with the polls being labled as a scandal. For those unfamiliar with British elections, the time is 7am to 10pm for voting, and thats it. Seems thousands of people were still quing at 10pm and were turned away. This is due to the results of the exit poll, which at present shows a swing of around 94 seats to the Conservatives from Labour, and 1 from the LibDems out of 650 available. For the record, I am in Edinburgh South. This is a 3 way race with 1% between Labour in the lead, then LibDem then Conservative. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Redeclaring open warfare on Out of Pod since 2010.
el Sabor	Posted - 2010.05.07 00:01:00 - [30] Originally by: Arianhod As it stands there is an issue with the polls being labled as a scandal. For those unfamiliar with British elections, the time is 7am to 10pm for voting, and thats it. Seems thousands of people were still quing at 10pm and were turned away. That rubbish! Very poor indeed.
Cat o'Ninetails Caldari Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2010.05.07 00:03:00 - [31] There was a fifteen hour window for voting, why did people have to go so late lol x Have you voted Cat today? My Facebook!
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.07 00:06:00 - [32] Originally by: senitaph core weee my x was down at 7am this morning come on cleggy ( sheffied voter here ) good thing too, heard there were huge queues later on in the day with some people even getting turned away not that it matters, due to voting system not being proportional the libbies don't stand a chance of actually getting into power. The area I live in (Chichester) is a Conservative stronghold which means my vote will be worthless under the current system: Quote: Labour and Liberal were almost neck and neck in the polls Now we see Labour taking 255 seats and Liberal taking just 59 ( less than 25% of the labour figure ) As a voter, I feel cheated. Proportional Representation is not a privilege, it is a democratic right which is denied to us by two corrupt political parties who seek more influence and authority than they are given by the British public. - Malyutka (The Virus) -
Vogue Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.07 00:18:00 - [33] Its disgracefull that many voters around the country have been turned away from voting. The rules are if a voter is not given a ballot paper by 10pm then they can not vote. So the problem seems to be in some voting centres is that they did not have enough capacity for a volume of voters in the night time.
Brolly Caldari Gangrel Mining and Security	Posted - 2010.05.07 00:22:00 - [34] I am indeed impressed by the shenanigans of the uk electoral system, never thought we would go this way. I thought this kinda crap only happened in 3rd world countries, dark times indeed.
Kirra Liu Echelon Holdings Echelon.	Posted - 2010.05.07 00:25:00 - [35] Originally by: Vogue Its disgracefull that many voters around the country have been turned away from voting. The rules are if a voter is not given a ballot paper by 10pm then they can not vote. So the problem seems to be in some voting centres is that they did not have enough capacity for a volume of voters in the night time. I keep hearing talk of two issues. The first issue being that some centres not having enough voting slips for the volume of people which turned up. The second issue being that there were a number of people who didn't get to vote as there were still cues at the some polling stations when the votes stopped being taken. Oh and there was two centres closed in Northern Ireland due to terrorist scares although I don't know if these were before or after the voting had stopped.
Arianhod Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2010.05.07 00:44:00 - [36] To be frank, people did seem to all pile in near the deadline and were ignorant to believe they could vote after the deadine and the exit poll released. They had 15 hours to take 20min to get to a polling station and vote. Simples. Or get a postal vote. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Redeclaring open warfare on Out of Pod since 2010.
Kirra Liu Echelon Holdings Echelon.	Posted - 2010.05.07 00:56:00 - [37] Originally by: Arianhod Or get a postal vote. Don't know the figures but there have been reports of numerous lost postal votes, and it doesn't change the fact that some polling stations didn't have enough ballot papers. I agree that people shouldn't be turning up last minute but it seems that there have been a number of problems which could have been avoided, on both the voters and the polling stations sides.
Cat o'Ninetails Caldari Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2010.05.07 01:08:00 - [38] I had quite a nice voting experience really. I had to go to a visitor centre at my local park, it was sunny and a nice little diversion on the way home from work. Strolled into the place, got a paper, voted. Took all of five minutes. Have you voted Cat today? My Facebook!
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.05.07 02:03:00 - [39] Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails I had quite a nice voting experience really. I had to go to a visitor centre at my local park, it was sunny and a nice little diversion on the way home from work. Strolled into the place, got a paper, voted. Took all of five minutes. So you took part in democracy, the most insidious form of tyranny to have ever been devised. Shame on you.
Vogue Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.07 02:31:00 - [40] Imo Democracy is not what is says on the tin. But as Churchill said it is the least worst system. But nowadays 'democracy' tries to envelop nation states that have lost a huge amount of sovereign control due to global trade and very loose, free flow of capital. The checks and balances that apply to government in a 'democratic system' do not apply to investment banks who are full of moral hazard.
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation	Posted - 2010.05.07 08:17:00 - [41] Edited by: Whitehound on 07/05/2010 08:17:54 Originally by: el Sabor Personally I'd rather attempt to have some say in the matter than sit on my arse and watch. They could add a box saying "None of the listed parties", but they do not. So it is a minor humiliation for those want the liberty when they have to spoil the paper. None of the existing parties has ever thought about it. They only care about their own box being on the paper. That is so typical for politics --
Larkonis Trassler Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.05.07 08:54:00 - [42] I hear Zimbabwe has offered to send monitors to our next General Election to ensure things go more smoothly next time.
Arianhod Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2010.05.07 09:14:00 - [43] As the sun rises over Brittania, a new and slightly confused public wakes to see the results of the election. 30 seats still to count, the Conservatives the largest at 290, Labour on 247 and the LibDems on 51. In a system that demands a majority control for the legitamacy of the parlaimant, it is impossbile to gain the needed 326 seats for any party. Should many of the remaining seats go Labour, it will become possible for a return of the LibLab pact to keep the Tories out of power. On the other hand as London starts creaking into financial meltdown we may see a LibCon alliance to maintain market stability and continuence of goverment. Still, not much that wasn't expected to be honest : a hung parlaiment and no idea who will lead. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Redeclaring open warfare on Out of Pod since 2010.
Transval Minmatar	Posted - 2010.05.07 09:25:00 - [44] Oh dear, hung parliament. Now for the real fun and games while they try to make deals with each other. It's going to be a bumpy ride, most politicians could start an argument alone on a desert island... Good luck back in the UK guys, i moved away a few years ago. Still, take a look at the politics over here in Thailand, UK seems pretty good in comparison.
Biggus McChinnus Minmatar The Wild Bunch	Posted - 2010.05.07 09:30:00 - [45] Was hoping Labour would have its Balls castrated. Woke up to find he was still intact. I'm rather disappointed :( Back to EVE. Seem to have better luck there.
Arianhod Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2010.05.07 09:46:00 - [46] Well that was a surprise. Nick Clegg made his speach about last night, and was quite to the point. LibCon Coalition for stability. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Redeclaring open warfare on Out of Pod since 2010.
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.05.07 10:27:00 - [47] Originally by: Arianhod In a system that demands a majority control for the legitamacy of the parlaimant, it is impossbile to gain the needed 326 seats for any party. Sort of. Constitutionally the Queen will now ask Gordon Brown - as the Prime Minister - if he is able to form a government on her behalf. That is his constitutional right and he gets the first say. He can certainly try and form a minority government with the Liberals but if the Commons does not pass the Queen's Speech, then that's essentially a vote of no confidence in the government and we are in for a world of trouble.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.07 12:28:00 - [48] Lib Dems - almost 23% of the population voted for them, more than ever before, but they won less than 9% of the seats? fix voting system kthx - Malyutka (The Virus) -
Legs Mackenzie	Posted - 2010.05.07 12:40:00 - [49] I was shocked by the results tbh, after a war we didn't want, a recession we could have avoided, erosion of liberties & freedoms, and a prime minister we didn't elect: People still voted for them. Argh.
Issamailkin The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.05.07 12:40:00 - [50] Edited by: Issamailkin on 07/05/2010 12:42:34 Labour has an in built advantage due to a more effective spread of support plus there comes the question of Scottish MP's in westminster who are overrepresented and almost all of them have an undying loyalty to the labour part. Feel bad for lib dems cos of the dodgy seat allocation. Id probably go for a proportional system, perhaps a form of Supplimentary vote system would be more fair but ultimately more prone to coalitions instead of single party dominance edit: And lol to those fools who couldn't vote. Here is a suggestion: Get your fat arse outta bed earlier and do it in the morning if you work late shifts. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.
Kellyl Gallente Terminal Impact On the Rocks	Posted - 2010.05.07 12:53:00 - [51] Edited by: Kellyl on 07/05/2010 12:53:46 Originally by: Issamailkin Edited by: Issamailkin on 07/05/2010 12:42:34 ... And lol to those fools who couldn't vote. Here is a suggestion: Get your fat arse outta bed earlier and do it in the morning if you work late shifts. Cos life is that simple isn't it. I leave for work at 6am (on the train by 6:30am) and I don't get back home till 9:45pm. 5 days a week. Lucky my boss let me leave early to vote, but others are not so lucky. I'd love to live in your world where with a little effort anything is possible. Troll.
Issamailkin The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.05.07 13:05:00 - [52] Originally by: Kellyl Edited by: Kellyl on 07/05/2010 12:53:46 Originally by: Issamailkin Edited by: Issamailkin on 07/05/2010 12:42:34 ... And lol to those fools who couldn't vote. Here is a suggestion: Get your fat arse outta bed earlier and do it in the morning if you work late shifts. Cos life is that simple isn't it. I leave for work at 6am (on the train by 6:30am) and I don't get back home till 9:45pm. 5 days a week. Lucky my boss let me leave early to vote, but others are not so lucky. I'd love to live in your world where with a little effort anything is possible. Troll. Well then sucks to be you. Do a postal vote instead Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.
Musical Fist Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.05.07 13:13:00 - [53] This **** just got real! Political drama ftw, cant wait for Sarah Palin in 2012 :D This is so not my main
Arianhod Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2010.05.07 13:19:00 - [54] Originally by: Arianhod Posted - 07/05/2010 09:46:00 Well that was a surprise. Nick Clegg made his speach about last night, and was quite to the point. LibCon Coalition for stability. Originally by: Musical Fist This **** just got real! Political drama ftw, cant wait for Sarah Palin in 2012 :D Waaaaay ahead of you Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Redeclaring open warfare on Out of Pod since 2010.
Musical Fist Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.05.07 13:26:00 - [55] Yeah my source of RL news is yahoo, has been for years, its slow VERY slow but its convenient, I often find sticking to one source will leave you brain dead fortunately yahoo is a pro copy pasta making it nice reading (but not believing) different sides of the story :) This is so not my main
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.05.07 13:46:00 - [56] Originally by: Kellyl Cos life is that simple isn't it. I leave for work at 6am (on the train by 6:30am) and I don't get back home till 9:45pm. 5 days a week. Lucky my boss let me leave early to vote, but others are not so lucky. Not a troll at all. You presumably knew your shift in advance or if not, were reasonably aware that you may be working a shift that day. You had the option of submitting a postal vote, so why didn't you? Quote: I'd love to live in your world where with a little effort anything is possible. I wouldn't say that anything is possible, but with a little effort you could have had that postal vote...
Steve Zodiak	Posted - 2010.05.07 18:41:00 - [57] And amidst all the angst over first past the post denying representation to millions, Polling stations closing with ques outside still waiting to vote, and 1800 morons voting BNP in my own affluent, not at all "immigrant threatened" nice home counties sea-side town, I see over the last week-end a certain partys' policy discussion forum resolved to recommend lowering the voting age to 16 for inclusion in the next manifesto. Sarah Palin as kingmaker in 2012, is that what you mean? - that is a depressing thouight. At least our nutters cant do much harm to the world and get voted out when their constituents come to their senses (welcome back to real politics Bethnall Green & Bow)
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.05.07 19:07:00 - [58] Originally by: Issamailkin Edited by: Issamailkin on 07/05/2010 12:42:34 Labour has an in built advantage due to a more effective spread of support plus there comes the question of Scottish MP's in westminster who are overrepresented and almost all of them have an undying loyalty to the labour part. What makes you think there is over-representation? The boundaries have been redrawn lately to take this into account...
Vogue Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.07 19:10:00 - [59] Thinking about Sarah Palin makes me feel better about the state of UK politics lol. The American right have gone bonkers recently.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Aeternus.	Posted - 2010.05.07 19:11:00 - [60] Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Originally by: Issamailkin Edited by: Issamailkin on 07/05/2010 12:42:34 Labour has an in built advantage due to a more effective spread of support plus there comes the question of Scottish MP's in westminster who are overrepresented and almost all of them have an undying loyalty to the labour part. What makes you think there is over-representation? The boundaries have been redrawn lately to take this into account... Look at the election map on the BBC and you will have your answer.
Issamailkin The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.05.07 19:21:00 - [61] Bear in mind that the boundary redrawing is based off of information that is a decade out of date. The Boundary commission only convenes every 10 - 15 years. And while scottish seats were cut from 72 to 54 it is unlikely that it will get much lower until the next boundary review. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.
Borza Slavak Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.07 21:02:00 - [62] Really? The one part of the UK's electoral system you're whining about is boundaries? /facepalm
ReaperOfSly Gallente 1st Cavalry Division Primary.	Posted - 2010.05.07 21:22:00 - [63] Originally by: Borza Slavak Really? The one part of the UK's electoral system you're whining about is boundaries? /facepalm Given that it's the boundaries that have yielded such horribly distorted results, yes. It seems a reasonable thing to moan about. ____________________
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.05.07 21:31:00 - [64] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Originally by: Issamailkin Edited by: Issamailkin on 07/05/2010 12:42:34 Labour has an in built advantage due to a more effective spread of support plus there comes the question of Scottish MP's in westminster who are overrepresented and almost all of them have an undying loyalty to the labour part. What makes you think there is over-representation? The boundaries have been redrawn lately to take this into account... Look at the election map on the BBC and you will have your answer. I'm really not sure what you are getting at. Voters in Scotland overwhelmingly chose not to return Conservative candidates to the Parliament of the United Kingdom. What has that got to do with over or under representation?
Borza Slavak Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.07 21:35:00 - [65] Originally by: ReaperOfSly Originally by: Borza Slavak Really? The one part of the UK's electoral system you're whining about is boundaries? /facepalm Given that it's the boundaries that have yielded such horribly distorted results, yes. It seems a reasonable thing to moan about. Yeah sure, the boundaries, not the First Past the Post voting system.
Issamailkin The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.05.07 21:40:00 - [66] Well actually the First past the post system has served us well in providing us with a series of relatively stable governments in the post war era. However more recently its effectiveness has come into question with partisan dealignment. Perhaps it is time for a new system that will echo those on mainland Europe that will allow smaller niche parties a chance at government in the form of large varied coalitions. This can be argued as a good thing or bad thing but ultimately we'll have to see if we can get a referendum and if the british people will vote for change. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.
ReaperOfSly Gallente 1st Cavalry Division Primary.	Posted - 2010.05.08 15:50:00 - [67] Originally by: Borza Slavak Originally by: ReaperOfSly Originally by: Borza Slavak Really? The one part of the UK's electoral system you're whining about is boundaries? /facepalm Given that it's the boundaries that have yielded such horribly distorted results, yes. It seems a reasonable thing to moan about. Yeah sure, the boundaries, not the First Past the Post voting system. Well you can't really have one without the other. If we had proportional representation, constituency boundaries would be more-or-less moot, since decisions that affect local areas tend to be made by the local council anyway, not MPs. I am hoping now that Cleggy Boy will grasp the nettle and form a coalition with the Tories in exchange for proportional representation. The Tories might not accept that bargain, but I think the offer should be made. Of course there is a downside to proportional representation: the BNP would get 12 seats in parliament under that system. ____________________
Borza Slavak Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.08 18:08:00 - [68] There are more options than just FPTP and PR. See here: Linkage
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.05.08 18:43:00 - [69] Originally by: ReaperOfSly Well you can't really have one without the other. If we had proportional representation, constituency boundaries would be more-or-less moot, since decisions that affect local areas tend to be made by the local council anyway, not MPs. In Scotland I have one directly elected MSP to represent my constutency and then several further that have been proportionally elected from their party's regional list. I can raise an issue with any one of them I choose. They all represent my area but I have a cross-party list of representatives to choose from. I like the system and whilst it's not perfect, it's better than FPTP. Quote: I am hoping now that Cleggy Boy will grasp the nettle and form a coalition with the Tories in exchange for proportional representation. The Tories might not accept that bargain, but I think the offer should be made. Cameron is only offering a cross party inquery into reform. I can't see that being enough for the Lib Dems, nor can I see backbench Conservative MPs supporting a full referrendum. Clegg would be a fool to throw away the best chance for electoral reform in decades and no matter what you think of Gordon Brown, the best chance to reform our system is for Labour and the Lib Dems to enter a coalition. The minor parties would all gain under PR and I can see a coalition leader being able to command a majority in the Commons. Quote: Of course there is a downside to proportional representation: the BNP would get 12 seats in parliament under that system. That would depend on what PR system is chosen, but there would indeed be some BNP MPs. This is unfortunate, but the price of democracy is that you have to give a voice to everyone - even those that you have no desire to hear. On the other hand, the rest of Europe seems to cope well enough with giving the far right seats in their parliaments so I can't see this being a problem.
ChaeDoc II Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.08 19:30:00 - [70] Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Stuff, then... [quote Of course there is a downside to proportional representation: the BNP would get 12 seats in parliament under that system. That would depend on what PR system is chosen, but there would indeed be some BNP MPs. This is unfortunate, but the price of democracy is that you have to give a voice to everyone - even those that you have no desire to hear. On the other hand, the rest of Europe seems to cope well enough with giving the far right seats in their parliaments so I can't see this being a problem. We've already seen how well the BNP perform when put under a national spotlight and put along side far superior minds. PR wouldn't be as good for them as you might think :)
Issamailkin The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.05.08 19:46:00 - [71] Originally by: Borza Slavak There are more options than just FPTP and PR. See here: Linkage STV, AV and borda are types of PR mate Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.
Musical Fist Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.05.09 00:25:00 - [72] Edited by: Musical Fist on 09/05/2010 00:30:33 I have a hutch Nick Clegg was hot when he was younger, anyone who can confirm this with pics ofc ;) Also I love the way libs are going, siding with the better evil England just got interesting again ;) I wonder who the queen voted for ;) This is so not my main
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Aeternus.	Posted - 2010.05.09 20:26:00 - [73] Originally by: Tallaran Kouros What makes you think there is over-representation? The boundaries have been redrawn lately to take this into account... Look at the election map on the BBC and you will have your answer. I'm really not sure what you are getting at. Voters in Scotland overwhelmingly chose not to return Conservative candidates to the Parliament of the United Kingdom. What has that got to do with over or under representation? Well sunderland gets 3 MPs... My area has around the same population as those three areas but only gets one MP over a much wider area.
Borza Slavak Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.10 19:55:00 - [74] Originally by: Issamailkin Originally by: Borza Slavak There are more options than just FPTP and PR. See here: Linkage STV, AV and borda are types of PR mate AV is hardly a form of PR.
ReaperOfSly Gallente 1st Cavalry Division Primary.	Posted - 2010.05.10 20:05:00 - [75] Originally by: Musical Fist I wonder who the queen voted for ;) The Queen doesn't vote. There's no law against it, it's more by convention since she's supposed to be impartial. ____________________
Issamailkin The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.05.10 20:09:00 - [76] Originally by: Borza Slavak Originally by: Issamailkin Originally by: Borza Slavak There are more options than just FPTP and PR. See here: Linkage STV, AV and borda are types of PR mate AV is hardly a form of PR. You are correct, it is more of a majoritarian system but can result in similar outcomes while being not a being a big divergence from what we already have in place Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.05.10 21:13:00 - [77] Originally by: baltec1 Well sunderland gets 3 MPs... My area has around the same population as those three areas but only gets one MP over a much wider area. I still don't really see what you are trying to get at. There are 5.06 Million people in Scotland and 59 MPs to represent them, so that works out at around 85,700 constituents per MP. England has a population of just over 49 Million and 533 MPs, which works out at around 92,000 constituents per person. I suppose if you really wanted to you could quibble over those extra 7,000 people, but in all honesty much of Scotland is rural and whilst individual MPs might have more or less constituents it can be difficult for a single MP to cover a large geographical area. Whilst I've not done the calculations, I would suspect that the figures for Wales would be somewhat similar. It's for this reason that public spending per head is higher in Scotland than it is in England and Wales - it simply costs more to provide public services across such a wide geographic area.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Aeternus.	Posted - 2010.05.10 22:09:00 - [78] Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Originally by: baltec1 Well sunderland gets 3 MPs... My area has around the same population as those three areas but only gets one MP over a much wider area. I still don't really see what you are trying to get at. There are 5.06 Million people in Scotland and 59 MPs to represent them, so that works out at around 85,700 constituents per MP. England has a population of just over 49 Million and 533 MPs, which works out at around 92,000 constituents per person. I suppose if you really wanted to you could quibble over those extra 7,000 people, but in all honesty much of Scotland is rural and whilst individual MPs might have more or less constituents it can be difficult for a single MP to cover a large geographical area. Whilst I've not done the calculations, I would suspect that the figures for Wales would be somewhat similar. It's for this reason that public spending per head is higher in Scotland than it is in England and Wales - it simply costs more to provide public services across such a wide geographic area. Its nothing to do with scotland its the little clumps of MPs in a small area. I just dont see why sunderland needs 3 MPs.
Borza Slavak Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.11 07:27:00 - [79] Population density, do you speak it? Good work choosing one of about half a dozen areas where there are actually boundary changes recommended, but it's hardly representative as the Boundary Commission seems quite happy with most constituencies.
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.05.11 09:59:00 - [80] Originally by: baltec1 Its nothing to do with scotland its the little clumps of MPs in a small area. I just dont see why sunderland needs 3 MPs. It's part down to geographic area, but also down to the number of constituents. I don't mean to be funny, but did you read my previous response? The 2001 census pegged the population of Sunderland at 177,739. Split into 3 MPs that's just under 60,000 constituents PER REPRESENTATIVE. That seems reasonable to me, given the population density...

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