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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2010.05.12 19:57:00 -
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EVE Gate Alpha is just about finished, and Beta is just around the corner. Learn all about EVE Gate in CCP Priya's newest dev blog.
Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us |
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NightmareX
Dark-Rising IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.12 20:02:00 -
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First. And it's looking nice.
Looking forward to use it when it's fully released.
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Karbowiak
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.05.12 20:09:00 -
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Now, if you would just make a mail system API..
So we can actually send mails from applications and also recieve them, then it would all be peachy
Co-Owner and Creator of EVSCO |
Silvermoon Armanis
Gallente Phlegethos The 4th
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Posted - 2010.05.12 20:23:00 -
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Will EvE gate be useable by the Dusters too? or will it be EvE online capsuleers only? |
Lord FunkyMunky
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Posted - 2010.05.12 20:35:00 -
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enable pop3 access to evegate and i'll be estatic but webaccess is good enough for now hehe...
one thing thats got me really annoyed that didnt show up in evegate that really should have been their for launch
1. Access to chat channels... Seriously why not just implement a java or javascript chat client and give us access to our ingame chat from evegate.
2. Skill queue... i was hoping we were going to get surprised with the ability to stop/start/manipulate our queue...
Those 2 are the 2 main ones that i really thought would show up but didnt, i know market access is planned but thats a bigger issue surrounding pilot distance from orders etc... the skill queue and chat channels really have no reason not to be included that i can see...
Will we see features like this added between major updates? or are we going to have to wait till december to see evegate get any real new features (besides bugfixes etc)
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.05.12 20:38:00 -
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Rawr!
Secure 3rd party service | my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' |
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2010.05.12 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout EVE Gate Alpha is just about finished, and Beta is just around the corner. Learn all about EVE Gate in CCP Priya's newest dev blog.
Looks great!!!
But this one worries me a little:
Originally by: CCP Priya - Devblog Our plan is to eventually offer everything on EVE Gate that you can do in game apart from explorations in space and blowing stuff up.
Does this mean we will - in time - be able to set/change skills through the web page? Does this mean that your earlier stance against this have been changed?
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL. |
Milo Caman
Gallente Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.05.12 20:47:00 -
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Yay for Facebook in space! ---
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.05.12 20:54:00 -
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So, no new forum? (speaking of stuff that needs carbon dating) ...
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Shaul Amaninatis
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.05.12 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Originally by: CCP Priya - Devblog Our plan is to eventually offer everything on EVE Gate that you can do in game apart from explorations in space and blowing stuff up.
Does this mean we will - in time - be able to set/change skills through the web page? Does this mean that your earlier stance against this have been changed?
There are more things that come to my mind. Will we be able to: - do industry stuff (invention, manufacturing, etc) - set up market orders (sell and buy) - set up contracts (all types therof) - upgrade our clones - access hangars and containers
I think that would be really wierd. Such a set of features would eventually enable some industrialists to "play" the game through EVE Gate... All you would then need are some slaves... err corp mates doing the hauling and the POS management.
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Malios45
People with Guns Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.05.12 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Shaul Amaninatis
I think that would be really wierd. Such a set of features would eventually enable some industrialists to "play" the game through EVE Gate... All you would then need are some slaves... err corp mates doing the hauling and the POS management.
This kind of brings an interesting perspective into view. That the pinnacle of EVE (as an industrialist) is to eventually not have to play EVE at all.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.12 22:05:00 -
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Most of this is cool stuff, though I knew about a lot of it already. But two things strike me as being remarkably stupid.
1) You deleted contact folders, which are virtually necessary to have anything approaching sensible organization for anyone with more than maybe two dozen contacts, since the contact lists in game forcibly show portraits and there's zero sorting functionality.
2) There's no block functionality with launch? That's been standard in any sort of social interaction medium since the mid-90s. How exactly did you overlook it?
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Zita Ziv
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Posted - 2010.05.12 22:22:00 -
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Great! too bad I'll be useing FB most of the time. you sure you cant syinc it?
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mkmin
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Posted - 2010.05.12 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Lord FunkyMunky are we going to have to wait till december to see evegate get any real new features (besides bugfixes etc)
Don't be silly. You won't see any bug fixes until way after December.
Also to CCP... you claim at least 3 times in that dev blog that you're trying to meet the desires of your users. The only users who care about spacebook are rookies. Well, give me the option to opt out of spacebook. I don't want my show-info available at all in spacebook, or at least not for certain characters. You're spoiling what would be a useful tool for corp and alliance interaction by turning it into a griefing tool. I don't trust you people to not be broadcasting all my info that should be locked behind the API. I don't trust you people to get the whole "some people can see your buddy list but other people can't" stuff right. You people implemented spacebook in the absolutely worst way possible, by publicizing peoples' info from sisi and not telling them, not giving people the option to hide that information without manually deleting their contacts, and then forcing people into using it live without giving them a chance to get used to how it works on the live server. The right way to do implement it would have been opt-in only on sisi, then an opt-in only on TQ and eventually automatically opt-in new accounts only. You say this thing is meant to foster social interaction with the eve community. Well guess what: a non-trivial portion of the EVE community are bastards. There's a reason EVE scandals make the real world news. By implementing spacebook this way the next scandal won't be seen as an EVE scandal, it's a CCP scandal. |
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CCP Karuck
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Posted - 2010.05.12 22:35:00 -
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Edited by: CCP Karuck on 12/05/2010 22:36:22
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
1) You deleted contact folders, which are virtually necessary to have anything approaching sensible organization for anyone with more than maybe two dozen contacts, since the contact lists in game forcibly show portraits and there's zero sorting functionality.
Yes, like we started in another thread we did realize this and it will be added soon in the form of contact labels (very similar to the labels in the mail system).
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
2) There's no block functionality with launch? That's been standard in any sort of social interaction medium since the mid-90s. How exactly did you overlook it?
Block is in client, we had to delay it for a week or two on EVE Gate.
Originally by: Zita Ziv Great! too bad I'll be useing FB most of the time. you sure you cant syinc it?
FB is for real people, EVE Gate is a part of the EVE universe and for EVE pilots.
Also a lot of the ideas here are already being planned, we just aren't ready to announce anything yet.
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Enthral
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Posted - 2010.05.12 22:35:00 -
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Releasing this on May 18th, at the same time as Dominion?
Wow, you folks are gluttons for punishment.
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CCP Karuck
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Posted - 2010.05.12 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: mkmin
Originally by: Lord FunkyMunky are we going to have to wait till december to see evegate get any real new features (besides bugfixes etc)
Don't be silly. You won't see any bug fixes until way after December.
Then I'm looking forward to proving you wrong :) we will keep working on EVE Gate after the first launch, and plan to push out updates regularly.
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CCP Karuck
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Posted - 2010.05.12 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Enthral Releasing this on May 18th, at the same time as Dominion?
Wow, you folks are gluttons for punishment.
EVE Gate is one of the major features of Tyrannis. EVE Gate is a part of the game, not some external website that has nothing to do with the rest.
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Latex Underwear
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Posted - 2010.05.12 22:45:00 -
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How do I opt-out? I don't want anything to do with this.
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Jurai Talar
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Posted - 2010.05.12 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Latex Underwear How do I opt-out? I don't want anything to do with this.
Easy, don't use it.
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Tipz NexAstrum
Celestial Horizon Corp. United Corporate Ventures
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Posted - 2010.05.12 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Priya Our original character portrait service is approaching the age when you would need radiocarbon dating to determine its age. So we decided to create a whole new system for image rendering that scales better, is more reliable and supports all sorts of images, including corporation and alliance logos.
Eagerly looking forward to the return of "Dude your face!"
Originally by: CCP Navigator People who think I am joking or talking big are going to understand very quickly that there will be order in these forums.
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Riffix
The Graduates
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Posted - 2010.05.12 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Karbowiak Now, if you would just make a mail system API..
So we can actually send mails from applications and also recieve them, then it would all be peachy
^^ This! As cool as it may be to access these things out of the game, if I can only get to this information through a specific web portal I don't see how that is a drastic improvement over running the EVE client, except for maybe system reqs. For this type of information to really get "out of game" for the players, it needs to be able to integrate with the communication processes people already use out of game (email, mobile phone, IM, etc). PLEASE setup these types of connectors to this data and if you do email PLEASE support IMAP!
"Lead, follow, or get the #@$@#$ out of the way" |
Cinori Aluben
Minmatar Gladiators of Rage Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.05.12 23:44:00 -
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Good Read! Looking forward to full-fledged EVE Gate. More comments to follow.
Cinori Aluben CSM5 2010Fix the Little Things First! ---
Cinori Aluben -- CSM 2010!! "Fix the Little Things First!" http://www.littlethingsfirst.com |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.13 00:39:00 -
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Edited by: chatgris on 13/05/2010 00:44:01
Originally by: Jurai Talar
Originally by: Latex Underwear How do I opt-out? I don't want anything to do with this.
Easy, don't use it.
That's rather difficult, especially when CCP automatically thinks "Hey, person A has person B set as blue, obviously we should tell person B all the other people that person A has set blue as well".
The only way to opt-out is to rush onto eve gate after the patch, and do it for EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER - oh wait, only so many people can log on at the start. Great.
I said it before, I'll say it again:
CCP is trying to merge in game "Target Identification" with "Friend".
"Friend" does not necessarily imply "Do Not Shoot" "Do Not Shoot" does not necessarily imply "Friend"
I have more people that are set red for target identification that are friends I would actually like to network with on EVE Gate than there are people I have set blue.
Sadly, not only can I not use it for that, I also need to opt out of EVE Gate so it doesn't share my "do not engage lists". In fact, I've already had to download the Sisi client just to delete all my contacts while this was in development.
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Isoceth
Crayven Corporation
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Posted - 2010.05.13 01:57:00 -
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Did anyone else notice in the profile screenshot that the characters ship is listed as Out of Pod. Sounds a bit like Incarna to me. And yes I know it's not coming for ages.
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AdmiralJohn
The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.13 02:43:00 -
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So I'm assuming that the default is opt-out, right? Because no company would be so stupid to put all that information out there with the only option to have it not appear involving logging in, especially when logging in will be throttled. Of course CCP wouldn't be that stupid, right?
Right?
Forget it, you're hopeless.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2010.05.13 05:08:00 -
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Edited by: Dr BattleSmith on 13/05/2010 05:09:30 OpenID, oAuth for EveAPI, OpenSocial for calendar/killboard/mining/etc/etc/etc/etc
Such a fail job of a social network.
Originally by: CCP Karuck
FB is for real people, EVE Gate is a part of the EVE universe and for EVE pilots.
Ahhhh.... such a complete and total miss-understanding of Web2.0 and social networking.
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tla s'hpyt
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Posted - 2010.05.13 05:14:00 -
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Quote: ......view your employment history and broadcat log.
While I'm all for cat's of various breadth and length....
Anyway sounds very good I look forward to my mailbox not being filled with spam of when ops are.
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CCP Sisyphus
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Posted - 2010.05.13 06:38:00 -
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Originally by: chatgris
The only way to opt-out is to rush onto eve gate after the patch, and do it for EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER - oh wait, only so many people can log on at the start. Great.
Not true.
You can change your standings right now. Just make sure that all your standings are below +5 on TQ now, and no contact information gets shared with anyone.
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mkmin
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Posted - 2010.05.13 07:27:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Sisyphus
Originally by: chatgris
The only way to opt-out is to rush onto eve gate after the patch, and do it for EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER - oh wait, only so many people can log on at the start. Great.
Not true.
You can change your standings right now. Just make sure that all your standings are below +5 on TQ now, and no contact information gets shared with anyone.
Worst. Dev. Response. Ever. By any company ever. That's bad even for a government bureau. Seriously, WTF are you people thinking? Or not?
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Slave 775
Ministry of Punishment Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.13 07:42:00 -
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Edited by: Slave 775 on 13/05/2010 07:47:22
I hope we dont have to use the same usernames and passwords as the eve client to log in to eve gate.
I dont think its smart to use these at work, internet cafe or hotel wireless.
Its already bad we have to use them to access the forums.
Centuries ago, the Bible warned of dangers posed by evil men described as master[s] at evil ideas and scheming to do bad. (Proverbs 24:8) PRIVATEERS Officialy nerfed by CCP 05/07 |
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.05.13 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Slave 775 I hope we dont have to use the same usernames and passwords as the eve client to log in to eve gate.
I dont think its smart to use these at work, internet cafe or hotel wireless.
Its already bad we have to use them to access the forums.
It's not like you sending passwords in plain text, you know?
Also, devs, what about corporations, whose logos was destroyed in Tyrannis? Any signs of reimbursement? -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Glassback
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.13 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Karuck Edited by: CCP Karuck on 12/05/2010 22:36:22
FB is for real people,
This made me lol :)
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Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention Rough Necks
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Posted - 2010.05.13 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: Slave 775 I hope we dont have to use the same usernames and passwords as the eve client to log in to eve gate.
I dont think its smart to use these at work, internet cafe or hotel wireless.
Its already bad we have to use them to access the forums.
It's not like you sending passwords in plain text, you know?
It's not like you type them in in plain text and that key logger you find on many public computers easily grabs it?
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Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention Rough Necks
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Posted - 2010.05.13 11:04:00 -
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CCP, is there any hit per second limit you would like us to respect when crawling the site?
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Shaul Amaninatis
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.05.13 13:49:00 -
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CCP, for all that is digital, don't implement POP3 or IMAP access into EVE Gate!
I don't want to receive spam from hacked EVE accounts.
My Thorax is stiff. It doesn't need any additional hardeners
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.13 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: mkmin
Originally by: CCP Sisyphus
Originally by: chatgris
The only way to opt-out is to rush onto eve gate after the patch, and do it for EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER - oh wait, only so many people can log on at the start. Great.
Not true.
You can change your standings right now. Just make sure that all your standings are below +5 on TQ now, and no contact information gets shared with anyone.
Worst. Dev. Response. Ever. By any company ever. That's bad even for a government bureau. Seriously, WTF are you people thinking? Or not?
you have to wonder when the last time any of them played any mmo let alone eve.
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Latex Underwear
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Posted - 2010.05.13 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Jurai Talar
Originally by: Latex Underwear How do I opt-out? I don't want anything to do with this.
Easy, don't use it.
That's not currently an option I can see. My accounts will be listed automatically - unless you know the answer to my question but just felt like trolling instead of answering. |
Ephemeral Waves
Silver Snake Enterprise
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Posted - 2010.05.13 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Sisyphus
Originally by: chatgris
The only way to opt-out is to rush onto eve gate after the patch, and do it for EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER - oh wait, only so many people can log on at the start. Great.
Not true.
You can change your standings right now. Just make sure that all your standings are below +5 on TQ now, and no contact information gets shared with anyone.
So, to ensure that my private information isn't shared across the eve-verse, *I* have to go and delete all of my personal blues? When you releaste this bloody thing every personal blue that I have will be changed to either +5 or +10 (yay for only 5 settings). So if I have personal blues that I don't want to see my information I have to set them all neutral?
Why do *I* have to do anything not to be included on this idiotic portal?
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.13 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Sisyphus
Originally by: chatgris
The only way to opt-out is to rush onto eve gate after the patch, and do it for EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER - oh wait, only so many people can log on at the start. Great.
Not true.
You can change your standings right now. Just make sure that all your standings are below +5 on TQ now, and no contact information gets shared with anyone.
So that means that anyone who suspended there accounts for the next couple of months and who dont know about this little feature can log in and reset there settings then?
No?
so are you going to have a spash page on the reactivate subsciption page warning them that there EvEgate page is and has already been giving out all kinds of interesting information that they probably did not want made known?
theres a reason why you set you make it Opt in and not assume that they want it and make up there minds for them.
Shesh
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.13 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeral Waves
Originally by: CCP Sisyphus
Originally by: chatgris
The only way to opt-out is to rush onto eve gate after the patch, and do it for EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER - oh wait, only so many people can log on at the start. Great.
Not true.
You can change your standings right now. Just make sure that all your standings are below +5 on TQ now, and no contact information gets shared with anyone.
Why do *I* have to do anything not to be included on this idiotic portal?
you dont understand,
you are already a part of it, anyone who looks at it Via sisi can get that informaton now.
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2010.05.13 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeral Waves So, to ensure that my private information isn't shared across the eve-verse, *I* have to go and delete all of my personal blues? When you releaste this bloody thing every personal blue that I have will be changed to either +5 or +10 (yay for only 5 settings). So if I have personal blues that I don't want to see my information I have to set them all neutral?
Why do *I* have to do anything not to be included on this idiotic portal?
CCP know about the concerns, yet they deliberatly use the opt-out instead of the opt-in approach for "social" reasons, IIRC.
Can't really blame them. Most people are lazy and will leave the settings as they are, which will lead to more social interaction (good or bad). The only ones having REAL problems will be spies and traitors. Can't see a problem with them having to adjust their standings a bit.
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2010.05.13 14:46:00 -
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Edited by: Nika Dekaia on 13/05/2010 14:47:20
Originally by: Steve Thomas you dont understand,
you are already a part of it, anyone who looks at it Via sisi can get that informaton now.
That was possible. AFAIK CCP disabled that function on Sisi for that reason. It was handy to see a the contacts of a corp thieve we had, though.
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iP0D
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Posted - 2010.05.13 15:21:00 -
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Edited by: iP0D on 13/05/2010 15:25:09 Where's the opt-out option? In advance, so you don't get sucked up by the spacebook until you disable it in your client, that is.
Originally by: CCP Sisyphus
You can change your standings right now. Just make sure that all your standings are below +5 on TQ now, and no contact information gets shared with anyone.
I presume that was a display of humour, right Come on.
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Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.05.13 15:55:00 -
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Edited by: Sky Marshal on 13/05/2010 15:58:47
Originally by: Latex Sandals EvE-Gate needs to be Opt-IN. Not Opt-out.
You are forcing people to log onto this thing so that they can protect their privacy and that is illegal in many places and certainly illogical in any place.
This.
Originally by: Irongut NO. I have standings set to a number of people who I used to fly with in corporations long gone, alts of friends in my current corp, etc. I have no interest in EVE Gate. I do not want the people I have blue to be able to see who each other are. I do not want people in my corp to see who my personal blues are. Some of them may not be friends with each other, some of them may even be enemies. I should not have to adjust my standings, they do what I want them to do atm. YOU are the ones introducing features which threaten the privacy and security of myself and my contacts so YOU should make this opt in.
Learn a lesson from Google's screw up with Buzz and make EVE Gate opt in from the start. Do not repeat such an obvious, high profile and costly mistake.
And this.
CCP, correct it.
Reducing buddy standings is not a solution since it is YOU who made this move. _______ With the NGE, I'm sorry about the mistake we made. We screwed up and didn't listen to the fans when we should have. - John Smedley, CEO of Sony Online Entertainment |
Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.13 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Karuck Edited by: CCP Karuck on 12/05/2010 22:36:22
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
1) You deleted contact folders, which are virtually necessary to have anything approaching sensible organization for anyone with more than maybe two dozen contacts, since the contact lists in game forcibly show portraits and there's zero sorting functionality.
Yes, like we started in another thread we did realize this and it will be added soon in the form of contact labels (very similar to the labels in the mail system).
Yeah, but the transition is going to be annoying. I've got a whole bunch of contacts, all happily folderized. If you'd had the label system up and running for launch, you could just copy folders into labels and save us all a ton of work. With this gap, I expect that will be impossible, and I(and everyone else) will have to re-sort everything once the tag system comes online. I know, you're working on it, but this seems like it'll be profoundly annoying.
Originally by: CCP Karuck
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto 2) There's no block functionality with launch? That's been standard in any sort of social interaction medium since the mid-90s. How exactly did you overlook it?
Block is in client, we had to delay it for a week or two on EVE Gate.
Ah, I misunderstood. So client blocks will also apply to Spacebook? That's not so bad.
Originally by: CCP Sisyphus
Originally by: chatgris The only way to opt-out is to rush onto eve gate after the patch, and do it for EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER - oh wait, only so many people can log on at the start. Great.
Not true.
You can change your standings right now. Just make sure that all your standings are below +5 on TQ now, and no contact information gets shared with anyone.
So my contacts only get shared with contacts that I have set blue? Annoying, but not as bad as people are making it out to be.
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Fearless M0F0
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.05.13 18:22:00 -
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Edited by: Fearless M0F0 on 13/05/2010 18:24:03
Originally by: CCP Sisyphus
Originally by: chatgris
The only way to opt-out is to rush onto eve gate after the patch, and do it for EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER - oh wait, only so many people can log on at the start. Great.
Not true.
You can change your standings right now. Just make sure that all your standings are below +5 on TQ now, and no contact information gets shared with anyone.
Although I have no concern with my buddy list becoming available to everyone I see how this may be an issue to many. CCP should pay more attention than just discard it as whines.
I don't think it is a good idea to force your customers to go and change standings ONE BY ONE in order to keep protecting information that is - before the expansion - already protected. The default should be for this information to stay protected unless you do something to share it.
I think eveGate standings should be independent from in-game standings and provide an interface to copy current contacts to it. Since this is not going to happen before next Tuesday, evegate deployment should be put on hold.
-- Fearless M0F0> RELEASE TEH KRAKEN! Teh Kraken> RAWR
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DmitryEKT
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.13 19:58:00 -
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Seriously, why is it opt-out instead of opt-in? No explanation either... typical CCP
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wizard87
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Posted - 2010.05.13 21:32:00 -
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Wow, I got a boner...
Its... a browser and stuff. Great expansion guys, great.
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AdmiralJohn
The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.13 22:16:00 -
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This is just getting more and more laughable.
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Vissinii
Minmatar Totally Abstract O X I D E
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Posted - 2010.05.13 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Thomas
Originally by: Ephemeral Waves
Originally by: CCP Sisyphus
Originally by: chatgris
The only way to opt-out is to rush onto eve gate after the patch, and do it for EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER - oh wait, only so many people can log on at the start. Great.
Not true.
You can change your standings right now. Just make sure that all your standings are below +5 on TQ now, and no contact information gets shared with anyone.
Why do *I* have to do anything not to be included on this idiotic portal?
you dont understand,
you are already a part of it, anyone who looks at it Via sisi can get that informaton now.
Holy ******** ********** batman!
I haven't tested eve-gate, the concept didn't interest me personally so I hadn't even read up on it until it was brought to my attention as an impending hugely useful method of determining who our enemies' enemies and friends are.
"Eve-Gate - The Essential Tool In Every Information Warfare Arsenal"
Get in early for maximum advantage! (And stay in, naturally, on as many accounts as it takes - denial of service being a tried and proven method of maintaining advantage, after all.. One way to ensure the success of the new tool I guess - I predict it'll be hugely popular, statistically.)
Seriously CCP, what are you thinking, that Eve is a friendly playground where everybody helps each other mine Veldspar?
As for protecting your previously thought-to-be-secure standings information preemptively by setting everyone to neutral - spare a thought to what your POS' will do to your friends and allies before you go that route
Oooh - does it also expose Corp and Alliance settings due to the new cascade sequence of standing inheritance?
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Sarcasm, doomsaying and roleplay aside, CCP - this is a mistake of biblical proportions (imo), standings settings were, insofar as anything is in a game: 'private and secure' information and have been used on that assumption by many. Exposing that information to public scrutiny is going to lead to customer dissatisfaction at the least. You should have a serious rethink.
I have to wonder where you're going with making NRDS impossible to maintain via the 300 contact cap as well, but I won't rant on that now, my characters are all in NBSI anyway.
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Lord's Prophet
Totally Abstract O X I D E
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Posted - 2010.05.13 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Vissinii Eve is a friendly playground where everybody helps each other mine Veldspar
I fully support this statement. ________
Originally by: CCP Mitnal If I ever need an alligator at 3am, I now know where to find one!
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Ms Michigan
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Posted - 2010.05.14 01:58:00 -
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Allright CCP and Co. - This message is for you. IF you intend to make this site into some sort of mini-game as you have espoused already - you can count me out of EVE. This game takes too much $@# time as it is to stay on top of trading, etc. And you want to make it to where you can do all of this without logging in eventually. Reality check, not all of us are programers and people with no lives. I want to be an industrialist in EVE but now I won't be able to because you just made it that much easier for people to do this stuff at work if all you have is internet. What about those of us with jobs where I don't sit behind an internet connection. So all my competition that has desk jobs while I am out flying and have no internet can sit around and can my hard work as an industrialist Basically is what you are telling me?....
THANKS - THANKS A LOT. Ya know I never used to believe the haters in this game and now I see what they are talking about. You people are trying to justify your jobs and are so OBSESSED with whether or not you CAN do something - you never stop to think if YOU SHOULD. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
One peeved player
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.05.14 02:06:00 -
[54]
Ok, I want to stay out of the 'show my friends' part by default.. oh wait.. already to late.
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Ephemeral Waves
Silver Snake Enterprise
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Posted - 2010.05.14 04:11:00 -
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CCP obviously doesn't care about our privacy concerns as they have never - in any of the threads regarding this - replied to any of them.
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5NAKE plisken
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Posted - 2010.05.14 04:44:00 -
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Quick question, will i be able to use evegate on a smartphone? Would be cool if i could check mails etc whilst out and about,
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CCP Karuck
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Posted - 2010.05.14 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Catari Taga CCP, is there any hit per second limit you would like us to respect when crawling the site?
Crawling EVE Gate is forbidden as part of our soon to be updated Terms of Service, and can be a basis for an account ban. Remember that everything you do on EVE Gate you do logged in as your account. You should be using the API when writing your tools, and if there is functionality on EVE Gate that is not on the API then that's something we will consider adding.
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CCP Karuck
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Posted - 2010.05.14 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: 5NAKE plisken Quick question, will i be able to use evegate on a smartphone? Would be cool if i could check mails etc whilst out and about,
If your phone has a decent browser and you don't mind scrolling a bit then sure, we've already been trying it on the iPhone (and iPad) for example. A more mobile-centric solution is not a part of this release.
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gargars
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Posted - 2010.05.14 20:48:00 -
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Edited by: gargars on 14/05/2010 20:48:44
Originally by: Ephemeral Waves CCP obviously doesn't care about our privacy concerns as they have never - in any of the threads regarding this - replied to any of them.
I am usually very patient about things (as in CCP can't please everyone all the time) but I agree seeing so many folks concerned with Eve Gate handing out personal info as the DEFAULT and forcing everyone to change settings and figure out how to opt out of this (and the vast majority of players won't even know of the need to do so) is very angering. Even more angering is watching other questions being addressed by CCP here, and all the privacy "make it opt in" concerns blatantly being ignored.
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CCP Karuck
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Posted - 2010.05.14 21:53:00 -
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We are not ignoring those concerns, they have been discussed a lot internally and we have commented on them numerous times in other threads.
I would really like if people got their facts straight on some of the things they are panicking about, it really isn't as bad as many people make it out to be.
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gargars
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Posted - 2010.05.14 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Karuck We are not ignoring those concerns, they have been discussed a lot internally and we have commented on them numerous times in other threads.
I would really like if people got their facts straight on some of the things they are panicking about, it really isn't as bad as many people make it out to be.
First off I haven't seen anyone 'panicking' (using that word seems an attempt to negate people's concerns)... and yes I have seen a few responses to peoples objections/concerns... and in each case the response seems to be 'here is how you can go change your settings and standings'. Problem being why should we have to? Also how many Eve players will even know they have to do something like that? What IS being ignored is that people want (and naturally expect) such a personal service to be OPT IN not automatically forcing everyone into it, and sharing their information without 90% even being aware of it. Also your opinion that violating our privacy 'really isn't that bad' doesn't matter. Paying customer's opinions are the ones that matter.
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mkmin
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Posted - 2010.05.14 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Karuck We are not ignoring those concerns, they have been discussed a lot internally and we have commented on them numerous times in other threads.
I would really like if people got their facts straight on some of the things they are panicking about, it really isn't as bad as many people make it out to be.
Oh we hear what you're saying and your responses translate to "Yes we understand your concerns, but no, we don't give a crap about you or your concerns. Tuff luck. Thanks for paying my mortgage with your subscription."
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Ephemeral Waves
Silver Snake Enterprise
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Posted - 2010.05.14 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Karuck We are not ignoring those concerns, they have been discussed a lot internally and we have commented on them numerous times in other threads.
I would really like if people got their facts straight on some of the things they are panicking about, it really isn't as bad as many people make it out to be.
You have never once stated why this system is "opt-out" instead of "opt-in". This is a fundamental violation of our privacy.
People have repeatedly pointed out that personal standings are generally based on target selection and not social issues and you have not addressed that concern with your oh-so wonderful social network.
People have personal blues that they don't want other personal blues to see. To avoid this, we have to initiate an action before EvE-Gate comes out, or risk those people noticing each other before we can get onto EvE-gate to change it. Forcing us to take action to protect our own privacy is idiotic.
If we want to participate in EvE-Gate, it should be our choice to turn those settings on.
And really, accusing people of "panicking" is a childish attempt to belittle their concerns without actually addressing them.
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John CEO
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Posted - 2010.05.15 00:51:00 -
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Oh my, what the f are you doing....is "opting out" of marketing emails acceptable to you? Seems to me your taking part in smashing that wall down... Any information of my characters/person should not be available to anyone, game or not unless I choose so, and never by default to anyone.
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Dal Deinvisu
Ora Nova
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Posted - 2010.05.15 02:21:00 -
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Concurred with all of the above. Opt-out systems are ridiculous and insulting. If I want to make Eve Gate my primary method of communication, I will do that and have ample time to mess with the settings. Otherwise, don't violate my information.
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Siiee
Recycled Heroes
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Posted - 2010.05.15 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Karuck it really isn't as bad as many people make it out to be.
That is not up to anyone at CCP to determine. If I feel my privacy is being violated it doesn't matter if it's an actual or perceived violation, and "it's not so bad" is never an appropriate response.
Remember when Google Buzz was released, and defaulted to on because it was "so cool" and "who wouldn't want to use it?" it resulted in internet rage and exploits.
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Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention Rough Necks
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Posted - 2010.05.15 02:55:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Karuck
Originally by: Catari Taga CCP, is there any hit per second limit you would like us to respect when crawling the site?
Crawling EVE Gate is forbidden as part of our soon to be updated Terms of Service, and can be a basis for an account ban. Remember that everything you do on EVE Gate you do logged in as your account. You should be using the API when writing your tools, and if there is functionality on EVE Gate that is not on the API then that's something we will consider adding.
Well the comment was somewhat tongue in cheek, but you know as well as I that noone cares whether trial accounts on random IPs get banned over a future terms of service change. And indeed, as I previously said in another thread, you will probably end up having to add at least current corp membership and employment history if not entire corp member lists to the API because people WILL be crawling EVEgate (and the format you make the employment history available in at least hints at you fully expecting it).
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BloodHound MMIII
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Posted - 2010.05.15 04:28:00 -
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Excellent, looking forward to this.... Keep up the good work
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Dragon Greg
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Posted - 2010.05.15 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Karuck
Crawling EVE Gate is forbidden as part of our soon to be updated Terms of Service, and can be a basis for an account ban. Remember that everything you do on EVE Gate you do logged in as your account. You should be using the API when writing your tools, and if there is functionality on EVE Gate that is not on the API then that's something we will consider adding.
Seriously. Never, ever, ever underestimate your subscribers. There's people who will throw a plex to a trial account just for the sake of working around any restrictions and if necessary sacrificing an untraced account.
EVE is a cold and dark place, filled with crazy people. Heaps of them, and they multiply
Originally by: CCP Karuck We are not ignoring those concerns, they have been discussed a lot internally and we have commented on them numerous times in other threads.
I would really like if people got their facts straight on some of the things they are panicking about, it really isn't as bad as many people make it out to be.
We do appreciate that you are not ignoring those concerns, even if there is little to no sign of this whatsoever, but let's be honest, one of the last things something like EVEgate needs is the lack of validation by effective use right from the start. That's marketing. Understandable, but it does not make it better.
Please don't misunderstand this, but for most concerned people it's a case of principles. Good marketing takes those into account and uses that as a driving force, something EVE has had a great foundation in, over the years.
"If you want your cake and eat it too, you'll have to eat the warm apple pie first" - that's a pretty strange, even abusive, approach.
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star's
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Posted - 2010.05.16 00:42:00 -
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It would be nice to manage skills through EVEGate.
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Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention Rough Necks
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Posted - 2010.05.16 12:21:00 -
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Edited by: Catari Taga on 16/05/2010 12:24:08
Originally by: Dragon Greg
Originally by: CCP Karuck
Crawling EVE Gate is forbidden as part of our soon to be updated Terms of Service, and can be a basis for an account ban. Remember that everything you do on EVE Gate you do logged in as your account. You should be using the API when writing your tools, and if there is functionality on EVE Gate that is not on the API then that's something we will consider adding.
Seriously. Never, ever, ever underestimate your subscribers. There's people who will throw a plex to a trial account just for the sake of working around any restrictions and if necessary sacrificing an untraced account.
1. I doubt you will need a subscribed account. 2. Even if you do, throwing PLEX at a buddy account comes at the same price as throwing it at your own account but you get 51 days for free on the buddy account, so yes, people do that all the time. Why do you think account numbers keep growing like they do?
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Plumkin
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Posted - 2010.05.16 20:07:00 -
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I'd prefer opt-in instead of opt-out.
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CCP Rhayger
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Posted - 2010.05.17 18:06:00 -
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Regarding EVE Gate being opt-in versus opt-out I am afraid that will not be the case. This is a conscious decision on our behalf for a number of key reasons.
1) Most importantly, EVE Gate is NOT an optional service added onto EVE. It is a new fundamental part of EVE, just as much a part as in game mail, fitting windows, contracts, etc. Opt-in versus opt-out implies this is an optional service slapped on the side, it is not. Extensive effort and investment will be going into broadening EVE Gate so that it is indispensable in enhancing and improving your experience
2) We are not ignoring security concerns, on the contrary we are investing heavily in addressing them and it is our goal to meet your concerns by giving you flexible control over your information. Our approach to addressing your concerns is not to turn off access all together, but to give you the tools to manage the control of your information yourself. This is something that will be continuously worked on, added to and enhanced
3) At its core this is a social network for EVE Players, not an anti-Social network. An opt-in setting would have almost no one included at start and is contrary to the purpose of the feature and would cripple its usefulness. We feel there are better and more productive ways to address your privacy needs.
In summary, we are listening very closely to your concerns and are making conscious changes to address your privacy needs, some of those changes you have already seen as a result of feedback from alpha testing. However we feel an opt-in or opt-out option is not the answer. As EVE Gate comes to life and you begin using it we would appreciate your feedback on the account settings we roll out and what further controls you would like to see added
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Ms Michigan
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Posted - 2010.05.17 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Rhayger Regarding EVE Gate being opt-in versus opt-out I am afraid that will not be the case. This is a conscious decision on our behalf for a number of key reasons.
1) Most importantly, EVE Gate is NOT an optional service added onto EVE. It is a new fundamental part of EVE, just as much a part as in game mail, fitting windows, contracts, etc. Opt-in versus opt-out implies this is an optional service slapped on the side, it is not. Extensive effort and investment will be going into broadening EVE Gate so that it is indispensable in enhancing and improving your experience
2) We are not ignoring security concerns, on the contrary we are investing heavily in addressing them and it is our goal to meet your concerns by giving you flexible control over your information. Our approach to addressing your concerns is not to turn off access all together, but to give you the tools to manage the control of your information yourself. This is something that will be continuously worked on, added to and enhanced
3) At its core this is a social network for EVE Players, not an anti-Social network. An opt-in setting would have almost no one included at start and is contrary to the purpose of the feature and would cripple its usefulness. We feel there are better and more productive ways to address your privacy needs.
In summary, we are listening very closely to your concerns and are making conscious changes to address your privacy needs, some of those changes you have already seen as a result of feedback from alpha testing. However we feel an opt-in or opt-out option is not the answer. As EVE Gate comes to life and you begin using it we would appreciate your feedback on the account settings we roll out and what further controls you would like to see added
Yeah - WE GET IT. You want to change EVE and get people to interact and get more sandbox. BLAH de-Fricken blah is what I say. AND HERE's WHY.
You are trying to change/improve the culture of the game and I give you credit for it but did you ever stop to think maybe instead of putting a band-aid on the problem. No instead we get the standard CCP solution (our product wasn't well thought out or implemented before)so instead we are making things more complex (now we have to worry about privacy violations you haven't thought of or really don't care about is esentially what your post said).
Think about WHY people tend to be "anti-social" and are only able to form small groups? ANSWER - Theft/inability to protect one's HUGE investment in TIME/ISK and feeding off that - this game takes too damn long to "play". I have been griping about this for months. No one at CCP is listening. Make EVE more casual (like a GAME). Improve our ability to exact revenge on those that cut us. You will then see people use TIME and ENERGY in a way that will A) improve the game interaction/SAND BOX you so much love B)People will not get frustrated and hopeless and become anti-social because of ninja's because now THEY CAN ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
Instead though, you give us EVE - GATE. Its spirit is to get people to interact (because we all know MMORPG players are geeks and not capable of that on their own) and make a better world but what you fail to grasp is it is all for nought. Take some psychology classes CCP - Mazlow's heirarchy of needs - Unless your safety needs are met first you can't go out and do the rest.
Think about it this way, if your servers were being hacked daily you wouldn't have EVE - or better yet, if you couldn't afford to run your game because of RMT leeks - oh wait - now you get what I am saying!!!
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mkmin
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Posted - 2010.05.17 22:51:00 -
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Edited by: mkmin on 17/05/2010 22:53:44
Originally by: CCP Rhayger Regarding EVE Gate being opt-in versus opt-out I am afraid that will not be the case. This is a conscious decision on our behalf for a number of key reasons.
1) Most importantly, EVE Gate is NOT an optional service added onto EVE. It is a new fundamental part of EVE, just as much a part as in game mail, fitting windows, contracts, etc. Opt-in versus opt-out implies this is an optional service slapped on the side, it is not. Extensive effort and investment will be going into broadening EVE Gate so that it is indispensable in enhancing and improving your experience
2) We are not ignoring security concerns, on the contrary we are investing heavily in addressing them and it is our goal to meet your concerns by giving you flexible control over your information. Our approach to addressing your concerns is not to turn off access all together, but to give you the tools to manage the control of your information yourself. This is something that will be continuously worked on, added to and enhanced
3) At its core this is a social network for EVE Players, not an anti-Social network. An opt-in setting would have almost no one included at start and is contrary to the purpose of the feature and would cripple its usefulness. We feel there are better and more productive ways to address your privacy needs.
*edited to redact potentially offensive language 1) Well, right now you're saying "We don't care how you play the game now, you WILL play it our way, like it or not." Guess what, we still control our own dollars. And your examples are bull****, because I can opt to NEVER use contracts if I choose, I can spend my whole EVE career in a reaper and never use the fitting screen, there is a default CSPA charge to protect your users and to respect their privacy and I can set that even higher and block people. But what I can't do is be 100% opted out of fail-book. I'm forced into it in a way that BY DEFAULT reveals information I don't want available to anyone but myself. Not only can I not opt out fully, I have to go through every single character on every single account to even half-*** opt out.
2) Guess what, CCP's track record for web applications is awful. Seriously, your website looks like it's 20 years old, and it's not. The ***holes in EVE (see my response to number 3) have a lot more experience being ***holes than you have being web programmers or even being programmers in general. They WILL outsmart you and any stupid half-***ed security measures you will poorly put into place. THEY ALREADY HAVE.
3) EVE is the antithesis of positive social interactions. You create game mechanics where players are rewarded for backstabbing and being ***holes and are PUNISHED for being cooperative and friendly. You have created a series of game mechanics where you can't afford to trust anyone, not even your own alts. By forcing us all into it and making our information unacceptably public by default, any smart corp leadership will be forced to require all their members to opt out and boycott the whole system. EVERY SINGLE CORP MEMBER IS NOW A SECURITY LEAK BY DEFAULT. Because of the default settings, the more not only we, but our corp members, use spacebook the more we are punished. You don't think griefers will wander around starter systems getting every single rookie they can to set them blue? Now you can spy on a corp without having to create an alt and join it in! And there will be no way for any leadership to even know about it or control it!
You're forcing me to protect myself through paranoia, and that's reducing what I can do in EVE. That's why I'm upset. My options are to be an ***hole, be a b*tch, or not play EVE.
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Dragon Greg
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Posted - 2010.05.18 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Rhayger
1) Most importantly, EVE Gate is NOT an optional service added onto EVE. It is a new fundamental part of EVE, just as much a part as in game mail, fitting windows, contracts, etc. Opt-in versus opt-out implies this is an optional service slapped on the side, it is not. Extensive effort and investment will be going into broadening EVE Gate so that it is indispensable in enhancing and improving your experience
Considering you are taking the immersion to an out of game environment, that is not really for you to decide. Unlike in game, the world outside the game is not a part of that, and while it is very possible to get people going and bridge that divide voluntarily the current approach is becoming an affront.
Originally by: CCP Rhayger
2) We are not ignoring security concerns, on the contrary we are investing heavily in addressing them and it is our goal to meet your concerns by giving you flexible control over your information. Our approach to addressing your concerns is not to turn off access all together, but to give you the tools to manage the control of your information yourself. This is something that will be continuously worked on, added to and enhanced
There are two angles there. Security and privacy. The part of flexible control in regards to security is understandable, even if this comes across as an approach of adding workload as an element of gamedesign. The point is not you turning off access all together, but the customer retaining control over whether to participate or not. The way you are presenting it, it's as if going online requires you to have all your details on facebook.
Also, forgive us for the comment, but please do not make comments or hints in the directions of iterations. Not only is there no foundation for any trust in that, aside of that statements of this nature will remain at best unproductive (and at worst counterproductive) until you actually invest the time to stop and breathe for a moment.
Originally by: CCP Rhayger
3) At its core this is a social network for EVE Players, not an anti-Social network. An opt-in setting would have almost no one included at start and is contrary to the purpose of the feature and would cripple its usefulness. We feel there are better and more productive ways to address your privacy needs.
Again, apologies and please do not misunderstand, but are you perhaps missing the point that by core design and principles everything in EVE is both social and anti social. Regardless of interaction, engineering or networking. An opt-in setting would be massively and enthusiastically carried with even just a little bit of proper and creative marketing, if this is the result then keep in mind that social networking is a phenomenon of growth. Not a phenomenon of enforcing participation just to make it look good and used on paper to the people upstairs and maybe people will use it. Building a social network is building the social interaction and what is called the paradigm of "wish/want/will" that comes forth out persistant action and effort.
Originally by: CCP Rhayger
In summary, we are listening very closely to your concerns and are making conscious changes to address your privacy needs, some of those changes you have already seen as a result of feedback from alpha testing. However we feel an opt-in or opt-out option is not the answer. As EVE Gate comes to life and you begin using it we would appreciate your feedback on the account settings we roll out and what further controls you would like to see added
Our privacy needs are very simple. If a customer does not want anything to do with it, he should not be required to undertake any action. Facebook is not a requirement to browse the internet, so to speak.
Also, I hate to say this, but you are not just talking security here, you are also talking privacy. Here it is not a matter of how you feel, but about what the customer feels and how you influence that, and respect |
Irongut
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.18 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Rhayger 1) Most importantly, EVE Gate is NOT an optional service added onto EVE. It is a new fundamental part of EVE, just as much a part as in game mail, fitting windows, contracts, etc. Opt-in versus opt-out implies this is an optional service slapped on the side, it is not. Extensive effort and investment will be going into broadening EVE Gate so that it is indispensable in enhancing and improving your experience
2) We are not ignoring security concerns, on the contrary we are investing heavily in addressing them and it is our goal to meet your concerns by giving you flexible control over your information. Our approach to addressing your concerns is not to turn off access all together, but to give you the tools to manage the control of your information yourself. This is something that will be continuously worked on, added to and enhanced
3) At its core this is a social network for EVE Players, not an anti-Social network. An opt-in setting would have almost no one included at start and is contrary to the purpose of the feature and would cripple its usefulness. We feel there are better and more productive ways to address your privacy needs.
1) Yes it is an optional feature. Unless I will be required to use it in order to form a gang, shoot hostiles, run missions/rat/plex, build items, trade or mine then it IS an optional side feature. I do not need it to know when my corp/alliance are organising events because we already have EVE mail, forums, Jabber, etc.
2) You are ignoring our security concerns. Modern EVE warfare has a lot to do with spies and metagaming in 0.0 and in empire. By turning everything on by default and then throttling logins you are potentially revealing sensitive information which can be read before we get a chance to turn it off or even to see what you are revealing.
3) I really don't give a toss about a social network for EVE. I don't use these time wasting security risks in rl why would I want to use one in EVE? As for your "it's not an anti-social network" reasoning I can make vacuous statements too... I AM an anti-social person. I will be turning EVE gate off as soon as I can but I wish I didn't have to because there are better and more productive ways for me to spend my gaming time.
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Virtuozzo
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.18 10:32:00 -
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I'm just wondering in terms of analogies. I can understand the values of evegate for social interaction, pilot to pilot and person to person. I can understand how cool it is for marketing purposes.
It's just, man. You should know your subscribers by now, underestimate them in any regard, it's just not healthy.
Look, consider the analogy. Why am I required to sign out of Facebook in order to use the internet, since going online means being preregistered. Is it so hard to see the flaw here?
EVE has always been the kind of game AND environment where the tools and freedom provided push its users to drive events and trends. Do it right, and there is no need to force anything on to people, they will do all your marketing work for you. Hurray, cheap and happy labour.
EVEgate should be opt-in, properly advertised and provided with a plaethora of integration points so that users see its existance and its opportunities, and in EVE's own spirit make the effort to balance the benefit and the risk.
Given quality, flexibility and an ability for users to build upon core functionality, there would be no issue whatsoever with EVEgate taking off and being a success.
Considering this, is it so hard to understand that coming from the EVE premises advertised people observe these fundamental shifts and are not happy about it?
Look, at the risk of turning this into a rant, which is not intended, I am thoroughly puzzled why you could not envision a concept like EVEgate in an ecosystem setting as advertised during the last fanfest and hinted upon prior to that.
A portal function is fine, even great. But why waste the invested resources into doing the kind of work which subscribers can and will do for you, in ways that traditionally outcompete anything the service itself can come up with since the subscribers are embedded in an immersive environment in which they sink their teeth into any and all challenges that facilitate their gameplay?
Was it so hard to consider the effective concept of a proper ecosystem where the brand equals the products, the marketing, the user reception and the market? Do not misunderstand me, personally I value the commitment, but from a commercial point of view it just strikes me as a case of reinventing a wheel which fits only on bicycles and not on a car. Well, perhaps in an Iteration, maybe.
Security arguments, I appreciate all efforts there, it is a display of commitment, but you cannot segregate this from the privacy argument. To do so, is failing to understand both the social (and anti social) interactions in EVE and common human (mis)behaviour.
Look, simple and honest question. Why not provide a portal function, with a nice technology foundation, a development framework for subscriber ventures and an opt-in but proper certification format for purposes of quality control of applications developed by subscribers.
Base functionality, extended exposure, a living community that pushes events, wide coverage by proud developers themselves as well as users who advocate their own usage patterns, andsoforth. Less investment of resources, you turn your users into evangelists, everybody wins. Granted, the above is just a simple sketch, but the analogy should be clear.
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CCP Karuck
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Posted - 2010.05.18 10:42:00 -
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Lots of love in here :)
Originally by: Irongut
2) You are ignoring our security concerns. Modern EVE warfare has a lot to do with spies and metagaming in 0.0 and in empire. By turning everything on by default and then throttling logins you are potentially revealing sensitive information which can be read before we get a chance to turn it off or even to see what you are revealing.
Throttling is only TEMPORARY, and probably for a few days at most.
Also folks: http://www.ccpgames.com/en/jobs.aspx
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Kossaw
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.18 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Rhayger
1) Most importantly, EVE Gate is NOT an optional service added onto EVE. It is a new fundamental part of EVE, just as much a part as in game mail, fitting windows, contracts, etc. Opt-in versus opt-out implies this is an optional service slapped on the side, it is not. Extensive effort and investment will be going into broadening EVE Gate so that it is indispensable in enhancing and improving your experience
So let me get this straight. You expect that we MUST use eve-gate - and the way you ensure this is to force us all to log in ASAP to check out security settings so that data we do not want to be shared is actually hidden (After you have already shared it) I assume at this point you are aware of the very public scr*w ups by google in recent times with respect to publishing private data. Please don't repeat this.
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In summary, we are listening very closely to your concerns and are making conscious changes to address your privacy needs, some of those changes you have already seen as a result of feedback from alpha testing. However we feel an opt-in or opt-out option is not the answer. As EVE Gate comes to life and you begin using it we would appreciate your feedback on the account settings we roll out and what further controls you would like to see added
OK Here's some feedback .... I HATE FACEBOOK AND I DONT WANT TO BE FORCED TO USE EVE-GATE. Default settings must be that player settings and data is ABSOLUTELY PRIVATE, unless explicitly shared in eve-gate.
Clear enough for you ?
If you want Eve-Gate to be "indispensable" do this by making it more functional, not by forcing us to use it.
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Virtuozzo
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.18 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Karuck Lots of love in here :)
Originally by: Irongut
2) You are ignoring our security concerns. Modern EVE warfare has a lot to do with spies and metagaming in 0.0 and in empire. By turning everything on by default and then throttling logins you are potentially revealing sensitive information which can be read before we get a chance to turn it off or even to see what you are revealing.
Throttling is only TEMPORARY, and probably for a few days at most.
Also folks: http://www.ccpgames.com/en/jobs.aspx
Ofcourse there is lots of love. It's because people care. Which is because they love the experience and the challenge.
Build on that. EVE is 7 years old. EVE Forever is a concept, but no ecosystem, far from. All work and no play makes Tom and Harry dull boys.
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Teinyhr
Minmatar Nor'akho Matar
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Posted - 2010.05.18 12:20:00 -
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I really wish 0.0 players would stop crying their heart out all the time, they say that to "empire carebears" all the time so how about practicing what you preach, huh?
I have no problem with EVE Gate personally, altough yes I hate metagaming and the prevalence of getting alts to spy just about everything, still, the idea sounds neat. As long as you don't add Farmville there I'm fine with it.
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Shaikar
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.05.18 12:32:00 -
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Edited by: Shaikar on 18/05/2010 12:33:09
Originally by: CCP Karuck Lots of love in here :)
Originally by: Irongut
2) You are ignoring our security concerns. Modern EVE warfare has a lot to do with spies and metagaming in 0.0 and in empire. By turning everything on by default and then throttling logins you are potentially revealing sensitive information which can be read before we get a chance to turn it off or even to see what you are revealing.
Throttling is only TEMPORARY, and probably for a few days at most.
I'm confused, are you agreeing with the concern or missing the point entirely?
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Loomina
Gallente Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.18 12:42:00 -
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I deeply resent being TOLD I HAVE to have Social Interaction and Networking through Evegate. I hate Facebook. I dont want Evegate.I have enough social interaction through Eve and RL thankyou!!
MARKETING: In all my years of Sales/Marketing, the best marketing tool I ever found was Personal Referral and word-of-mouth. By all means....if Evegate is as good/usefull as you say it is, launch it as an OPTION.If it really does provide a genuinely effective Eve tool, this will spread like wildfire. If it really does add authentic value to the Game it will be on every forum in the Eve community as a "must have" and we will Vote with our feet...OUR way...not your Draconian way.This is at the very least, dis-respectfull to your player base. Has anyone checked if this is legal ? and in compliance with the EULA ? (tho I suspest the EULA says CCP can do anything it likes ) *_*
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Crayathan
Gallente Body Count Inc.
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Posted - 2010.05.18 13:17:00 -
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.18 13:23:00 -
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I have an absolutely INSANE idea!!
How about a dev blog on what EVE Gate actually IS? The lack of information on what this feature IS, is basically generating avoidable drama. ---- CEO - BDCI "AAA is a collection of fail leftovers from cascaded alliances such as RISE, IAC, MC and ASCN." - Anton Marx |
iP0D
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Posted - 2010.05.18 13:52:00 -
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Edited by: iP0D on 18/05/2010 13:53:46
Originally by: Seleene I have an absolutely INSANE idea!!
How about a dev blog on what EVE Gate actually IS? The lack of information on what this feature IS, is basically generating avoidable drama.
You're right. You are insane
Truthfully though, in this case it is less about what it is, then what it does and how, but above all what the exact intentions and expectations are. In EVE there used to be always a big platform for players to go crazy on and with, sometimes to excess, mostly to grow EVE even further. There is always a balance between the state of desired affairs and the risk you run when not using those intelligence implants and taking shortcuts.
In this expansion that just seems out of the window. No, I'm not referring to PI with its absence of PVP (go team PI, big job ahead), but even just this evegate thing. Regardless of security intent, there remains the privacy principle, and the paradigm of effort / risk is lost on every corner - at least for practical considerations from a collection of player perspectives.
It's not a pos tracker after all, but seemingly a hybrid between Facebook (bad) and a portal (good), but seemingly also without any way whatsoever for players to build upon it (aside of reading data) except for duplications of systems already established by players (if not in practice then in limited application of concept), without a real good view on why this is better then what players have built themselves sofar.
Aside of the obligatory element, obviously. For this application matters as little as intent, perception is an easy landlord.
Look, if this is just a marketing thing, say so. People will understand, and you'd be surprised how many will actually jump on it cause CCP thinks it's good marketing, hey, maybe that approach works in game too. Maybe there's stuff you can use it all for, to make New Eden a better place for everybody & all that.
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Dragon Greg
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Posted - 2010.05.18 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Rhayger
1) Most importantly, EVE Gate is NOT an optional service added onto EVE. It is a new fundamental part of EVE, just as much a part as in game mail, fitting windows, contracts, etc. Opt-in versus opt-out implies this is an optional service slapped on the side, it is not. Extensive effort and investment will be going into broadening EVE Gate so that it is indispensable in enhancing and improving your experience
Correct me if I am wrong, but reading that once more, I am getting the impression that no matter what I feel or think, or more importantly what my game experience is, I will have to use EVEgate? Please do not tell me that you are thinking of features which require me to use it in order to complete tasks for the game?
In its current format, but also in future formats? If you are sticking to the Facebook format that HAS to be optional simply out of principle. God forbid you think of ways or features which move in game elements to EVEgate because then there is no escaping at all - please don't tell me you're thinking it would be so easy to move the Corporation management affairs to EVEgate.
As mentioned before, what is the point here. That is the question.
If this is Spacebook, make it optional. Simple. But it is one or the other, spacebook or portal. If it is meant as a portal to EVE, cool, excellent even, but the spacebook part should still be optional out of principle.
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CCP Karuck
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Posted - 2010.05.18 14:11:00 -
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EVE Gate is not Facebook, just because it has Facebook-like "status updates", that is actually just a small part of the whole application. If you read through the blog this thread is about you would see those features outlined (mail, calendar, contacts/standings..) And yes we will keep adding more features to EVE Gate, both web-only features and exposing more of the client features on the web.
If it helps you to think about EVE Gate as "EVE on the web", then by all means do so and stop pushing it into the Facebook template :)
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Dragon Greg
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Posted - 2010.05.18 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Karuck EVE Gate is not Facebook, just because it has Facebook-like "status updates", that is actually just a small part of the whole application. If you read through the blog this thread is about you would see those features outlined (mail, calendar, contacts/standings..) And yes we will keep adding more features to EVE Gate, both web-only features and exposing more of the client features on the web.
If it helps you to think about EVE Gate as "EVE on the web", then by all means do so and stop pushing it into the Facebook template :)
You seem insistant on ignoring the challenge of principalities that rule in commercial development when engaging on replicating social networking structures like Facebook and/or Facebook derived interactions.
Well, I guess I should say thank you for confirming your intention to require players to engage in EVEgate for web-only features not available in game.
I'm a bit at a loss for words.
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mkmin
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Posted - 2010.05.18 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Karuck EVE Gate is not Facebook, just because it has Facebook-like "status updates", that is actually just a small part of the whole application. If you read through the blog this thread is about you would see those features outlined (mail, calendar, contacts/standings..) And yes we will keep adding more features to EVE Gate, both web-only features and exposing more of the client features on the web.
If it helps you to think about EVE Gate as "EVE on the web", then by all means do so and stop pushing it into the Facebook template :)
We don't care if spacebook != facebook, because spacebook = fail. I will continue to vocally oppose failbook even after it's released unless you do something about our concerns. The big issue is that you people suck at making web software, and all the reassurances in the world that you will 'safely make our private information public' does not garner any trust, and it shows a huge amount of disrespect to your playerbase.
1) make 'show info' pages completely 100% opt in only. 2) make 'share contacts' completely 100% opt in only. 3) make some other aspect of the game require failbook, such as corp management, or corp mail or something.
One of the first rules of economics is people respond to incentives. Right now the incentives are to quit EVE altogether because that is the only way to escape a company that has such huge levels of disrespect for their customer base. Corps WANT to use spacebook for it's functionality. I am telling you 100% I WANT spacebook. I WANT to use it as a tool to make my corp better. I DON'T WANT it to be a corp security hole that incentivizes me to have my whole corp boycott it before accepting new recruits.
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Iteken Hotori
Minmatar Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.18 14:52:00 -
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Edited by: Iteken Hotori on 18/05/2010 14:54:39 Not much to add that's not been covered, but making this non-pot in is a terrible idea form every point of view including account security.
The number of brute force compromised accounts is going to go through the roof. The number of keylogger compromised accounts is going to go through the roof, and your petition queue is going to go through the roof.
Without de-linking this from your main account password, making this compulsory / non-opt-out is insane.
I beg you to reconsider.
This isn't from a "0.0 combatant i want privacy on my titan/fc list" perspective, but from a rationality angle. giving out information by accident is never, ever cool guys. I'd be willing to bet everyone has a few mis-configured old "friend" contacts who they don't care for now. I bet if you look carefully through your own address book, you can find a few. Saying "it's not relevant as privacy isn't a concern" is, I am sorry to say, crushingly naieve.
You have read CAOD/C&P right?
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CCP Karuck
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Posted - 2010.05.18 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Dragon Greg
Originally by: CCP Karuck EVE Gate is not Facebook, just because it has Facebook-like "status updates", that is actually just a small part of the whole application. If you read through the blog this thread is about you would see those features outlined (mail, calendar, contacts/standings..) And yes we will keep adding more features to EVE Gate, both web-only features and exposing more of the client features on the web.
If it helps you to think about EVE Gate as "EVE on the web", then by all means do so and stop pushing it into the Facebook template :)
You seem insistant on ignoring the challenge of principalities that rule in commercial development when engaging on replicating social networking structures like Facebook and/or Facebook derived interactions.
Well, I guess I should say thank you for confirming your intention to require players to engage in EVEgate for web-only features not available in game.
I'm a bit at a loss for words.
You misunderstand me :) I was being intentionally vague about the web-only features because we don't want to announce anything at this time. But we are talking about features like new forums, blogs and so on.. not game mechanics.
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Dragon Greg
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Posted - 2010.05.18 15:30:00 -
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Edited by: Dragon Greg on 18/05/2010 15:33:29 Edited by: Dragon Greg on 18/05/2010 15:31:42
Originally by: CCP Karuck
You misunderstand me :) I was being intentionally vague about the web-only features because we don't want to announce anything at this time. But we are talking about features like new forums, blogs and so on.. not game mechanics.
I'm sorry. You miss the point here, this aside of having done even more damage with that comment
1. References to Iterations. We don't buy those. To this date there has not been any actual case of a proper iteration. The only reason POS/sovereignty sank in was because one guy hammered a desk and another guy was sitting there to a point of emotional trauma.
2. Players did not start the spacebook theme. That was first voiced by a dev about two fanfests ago, picked up again as a joking reference at the previous fanfest by a bunch of devs, culminating in the marketing concept of social networking, which has long existing well established precedents commonly classed under "facebook" as a denominator.
3. It does not matter one bit whether you are vague about web only features or concise. Simple fact remains, you state you want to segregate elements of experience and exposure from the game, that is what web only features do for an immersive environment. If you cannot see the danger of this simply on a level of perception, that truly signals a segregation on much more important internal levels.
4. No matter how you look at it, you have integrated Facebook functionality, with Portal functionality, and in game functionality. These things can work together, they do not need to be mutually exclusive, but only one of them is conditional. That is the foundation of your platform: the EVE client product. A portal functionality, with or without - as commented elsewhere in this thread - an actually smart move that builds upon the energy and expertise of your subscribers to push EVE to even higher grounds (or even stabilise it) a framework for extensibility, would be well received and valued. The Facebook part is an individual reception element, ill suited to force down collective throats only for the reasons of advertising and providing an arena for portal functionality.
5. It does not pay to reinvent the wheel if that wheel only fits on bicyles and the production line does not let you pump out wheels for cars or (yey) formula 1 nano machines (so to speak, I trust you get the analogy). EVE is an amazing and immersive service product, which drives itself forward. Historically, EVE was a product that gave its subscribers the open arena and the tools to drive their own events, filling the game, pushing it forward (often at the cost of casualties among hamsters) and growing it through the focus of CCP and the energy potential of subscribers. I cannot understand why any company would waste such potentials, since it is far cheaper to guide, far cheaper to build on, and far more productive for long term prospects regardless of subscriber retention rates and behavioral curves. This is NOT a case of "players don't make game design", this is a case of marketing running in a trench
Yes, the bandwidth issue. Think about it. You could have subscribers as a resource, and people paying you to integrate with your platform. Less work, better focus.
Anyhow, going back and forth over this, it strikes me that aside of the trashing of principalities of human behaviour the EVE Gate case is becoming much of an example for a much wider and very similar evolutions of EVE over the past 2 - 3 years. It does not take a genius to spot trends here.
You know, EVE is the first and only game that has the potential to be a generation game. A friend of mine half jokingly envisioned an expansion called "Have My Stuff", where people on their deathbed can log in to account management and name their heirs for their stuff. Sounds silly, but EVE can reach that far. As a game, as a platform, as an ecosystem. But something's got to give there.
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Pwnzorator
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Posted - 2010.05.18 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Karuck Lots of love in here :)
Originally by: Irongut
2) You are ignoring our security concerns. Modern EVE warfare has a lot to do with spies and metagaming in 0.0 and in empire. By turning everything on by default and then throttling logins you are potentially revealing sensitive information which can be read before we get a chance to turn it off or even to see what you are revealing.
Throttling is only TEMPORARY, and probably for a few days at most.
Also folks: http://www.ccpgames.com/en/jobs.aspx
A "few days" is too late. Sc.raping Eve-gate may well be against the EULA, but like RMT you know it's going to happen anyway. Given that people have access to the test server to get their scripts written up, the sc.raping will start immediately when the servers go up. Thus, anyone who can't log in during the first *few minutes* has lost any hope of privacy.
Why does CCP have such an aversion to making Eve-Gate private by default? It's not like people don't complain when Facebook gets it wrong. Lots of people (myself included) genuinely care about our privacy, and while it may only be our internet spaceships characters at risk, I don't see why you feel the need to do this
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Irongut
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.18 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Karuck Lots of love in here :)
Originally by: Irongut
2) You are ignoring our security concerns. Modern EVE warfare has a lot to do with spies and metagaming in 0.0 and in empire. By turning everything on by default and then throttling logins you are potentially revealing sensitive information which can be read before we get a chance to turn it off or even to see what you are revealing.
Throttling is only TEMPORARY, and probably for a few days at most.
Also folks: http://www.ccpgames.com/en/jobs.aspx
A few days is long enough for people to sc**** this information and it will then appear on the site that shall not be named among others. By the time throttling is removed it will be too late. Threatening bans for scraping will not stop people, it doesn't stop them using macros, exploits, etc.
Suggesting I apply for a job is just being sarcastic and poor customer relations, I have been trying to be reasonable and present intelligent arguments. Unfortunately you never have any openings in Scotland for a programmer with experience writing business and manufacturing apps in languages you don't use.
You said earlier that EVE Gate is a social network for players, not an anti-social network. Atm I think I'm going to delete all my contacts before patch day because of it. How social is that?
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.18 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Rhayger
3) At its core this is a social network for EVE Players, not an anti-Social network. An opt-in setting would have almost no one included at start and is contrary to the purpose of the feature and would cripple its usefulness. We feel there are better and more productive ways to address your privacy needs.
The big question I think that makes everyone ansy is the automatic sharing of contacts, which stems from merging in-game target identification with friend.
Could you give a reply as to why you feel the need to do that? Especially merge target identification with friend?
If you would let us actually flag our friends without compromising our in game target identification, I think this social network would be a lot better accepted. The rest of the features like the calendar etc look great.
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Mynxee
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.05.18 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Irongut Atm I think I'm going to delete all my contacts before patch day because of it. How social is that?
Exactly what I plan to do, on all my characters. I'll just keep my contacts' names linked in notes, I suppose. Hopefully notes will remain private. Won't they?
Opt-out instead of opt-in is ass-backwards and very effin annoying.
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Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.05.19 01:06:00 -
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Edited by: Sky Marshal on 19/05/2010 01:18:48
Originally by: Iteken Hotori Not much to add that's not been covered, but making this non-pot in is a terrible idea form every point of view including account security.
The number of brute force compromised accounts is going to go through the roof. The number of keylogger compromised accounts is going to go through the roof, and your petition queue is going to go through the roof.
Without de-linking this from your main account password, making this compulsory / non-opt-out is insane.
I beg you to reconsider.
This isn't from a "0.0 combatant i want privacy on my titan/fc list" perspective, but from a rationality angle. giving out information by accident is never, ever cool guys. I'd be willing to bet everyone has a few mis-configured old "friend" contacts who they don't care for now. I bet if you look carefully through your own address book, you can find a few. Saying "it's not relevant as privacy isn't a concern" is, I am sorry to say, crushingly naieve.
You have read CAOD/C&P right?
This.
Originally by: Kossaw If you want Eve-Gate to be "indispensable" do this by making it more functional, not by forcing us to use it.
And this.
Well, as I hate to be forced to use something and especialy if this something is dangerous for privacy, so I already removed all few blue standings I had... I will set everything to "No Pilot" few minutes after your "thing" (not Facebook-like you said, so...) will be online to reinforce the security... And I already indicated outgame that I will NEVER use it, whatever features can be added and even if it was an order from my corporation or alliance (as it is not impossible that you add features for alliance/corp needs, since you say nothing about the future of this "thing"...).
The only logins I will do in the future will only happen to check the Profile Settings, as you will probably add features who will be setted to everyone by default... Yes, I do NOT trust you. After that, I have to hope that nothing bad will happen.
So for the social goal, we can say that it is a success...
In EvE Online, the paranoid ones have more chances to success than the social ones, and you should know it as it is you who defined the mechanics. So your actual method to make EvE Gate interresting is wrong. _______ With the NGE, I'm sorry about the mistake we made. We screwed up and didn't listen to the fans when we should have. - John Smedley, CEO of Sony Online Entertainment |
Locutus ofBorg
Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters En Garde
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Posted - 2010.05.19 04:35:00 -
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Edited by: Locutus ofBorg on 19/05/2010 04:35:45 After typing up a very long and witty response I chose to delete it all and just say quit complaining and go to WoW if you don't like the direction EVE is taking. CCP is a company, not a country. They do not need to tailor to your needs as a gamer but choose to do so because it fits their interests.
CCP you have been going strong for the past 7 years, keep it going guys. I'm proud to have spent the past 5 years seeing this game grow and develope to heights no other MMORGP has or likely will expand to.
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Lusulpher
Blackwater Syndicate Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.05.19 05:55:00 -
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Mandatory opt-in...in a sandbox?!?
The path to Hell is paved with good intentions.
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Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention Rough Necks
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Posted - 2010.05.19 09:43:00 -
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Edited by: Catari Taga on 19/05/2010 09:43:55
Originally by: Dragon Greg Edited by: Dragon Greg on 18/05/2010 15:33:29 Edited by: Dragon Greg on 18/05/2010 15:31:42 <snip>
Very good post, very much all of what you said!
Originally by: Locutus ofBorg Edited by: Locutus ofBorg on 19/05/2010 04:35:45 After typing up a very long and witty response I chose to delete it all and just say quit complaining and go to WoW if you don't like the direction EVE is taking. CCP is a company, not a country. They do not need to tailor to your needs as a gamer but choose to do so because it fits their interests.
Judging from this your original response must have been very witty indeed, because you certainly had no wit or originality left for this one right here.
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Originally by: Zeke Mobius I swear the catholic church was faster at admitting the earth was round than CCP at fixing stuff.
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Ephemeral Waves
Silver Snake Enterprise
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Posted - 2010.05.19 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Rhayger In summary, we are listening very closely to your concerns and are making conscious changes to address your privacy needs...
You don't seem to be listening very closely at all. There is one change that you need to make to satisfy all of the privacy concerns: Change the default privacy setting to "no pilots" for all three options.
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Ephemeral Waves
Silver Snake Enterprise
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Posted - 2010.05.19 14:07:00 -
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Edited by: Ephemeral Waves on 19/05/2010 14:08:52
Originally by: Irongut Atm I think I'm going to delete all my contacts before patch day because of it. How social is that?
I already did. But it seems It's too late. The current version of test.spacebook has all of our contact information on it again - open to view to anybody that you have given positive standings to.
So you can safely presume that it has all been scr.aped.
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War Bear
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.19 14:47:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Locutus ofBorg Edited by: Locutus ofBorg on 19/05/2010 04:35:45 After typing up a very long and witty response I chose to delete it all and just say quit complaining and go to WoW if you don't like the direction EVE is taking. CCP is a company, not a country. They do not need to tailor to your needs as a gamer but choose to do so because it fits their interests.
CCP you have been going strong for the past 7 years, keep it going guys. I'm proud to have spent the past 5 years seeing this game grow and develope to heights no other MMORGP has or likely will expand to.
They've gotten this far by building a solid game and have tried to do right by their players. Sometimes. however, they over step their bounds. Remember the carrier nerf they wanted to put in 2 years back that got completely crushed by player feedback? Or the 2nd round of super carrier changes that got crushed because of how incredibly stupid they were?
We trust CCP wants to make a good game. We really do. We just don't trust them to always make the right decision which is why this insane asylum community we have is as vocal as they are.
In a universe where one small bit of intel can cost an alliance billions in isk and gobs of time you'd be a bit off also at the thought of ANY personal information getting out there.
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gargars
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Posted - 2010.05.19 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeral Waves
Originally by: CCP Rhayger In summary, we are listening very closely to your concerns and are making conscious changes to address your privacy needs...
You don't seem to be listening very closely at all. There is one change that you need to make to satisfy all of the privacy concerns: Change the default privacy setting to "no pilots" for all three options.
THIS!!! This way you can keep your precious mandatory 'opt in' and address some of people's main concerns. So you will do this right? If not - WHY NOT?
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Saman Ayan
Minmatar Lazy.
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Posted - 2010.05.19 21:38:00 -
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Edited by: Saman Ayan on 19/05/2010 21:39:41
Originally by: CCP Karuck You misunderstand me :) I was being intentionally vague about the web-only features because we don't want to announce anything at this time. But we are talking about features like new forums, blogs and so on.. not game mechanics.
I think EVE Gate is a great idea, I do.
However, there are still a lot of things you need to do, and the first thing would be to actually talk about in detail what EVE Gate can and can't do... a lot of questions in this thread and others raised because you weren't clear about stuff like security (what can you see and do and what you can't, for example) and visibility of your profile.
It would be a very good idea to have a separate password for EVE Gate as having control over the client password is very important and the internet is obviously a lot less secure than the client. Just ask players to set a new password that's different from their client password when they log into EVE Gate for the first time.
I think all personal standings (not corp or alliance) should be reset after Tyrannis, so there will not be any mixup because of changes to contact standings system.
As for the opt-in, I agree with your reasons, but it isn't fair on players who don't intend to use EVE Gate but yet have some of their details revealed to other people in way they didn't mean to or don't want to. I'll rather have the options for showing contacts/broadcast log turned off by default. That way, players who haven't used EVE Gate will not be revealing any more information than they do ingame, unless they do want to join and open up their profiles.
Some players are concerned about scarping (misspelling intended), but I'm not sure myself how easy it is? In all cases, it shouldn't be a bad idea to throttle access to profiles as to limit or stop scarping. Log in should be throttled as well, too many people have weak passwords which are too easy to break by brute force
EVE is very well known for being a sandbox, and is part of what it's great. Trying to force anything on players isn't a great idea, so please don't. Just make it as secure as possible, keep the profiles closed by default, and let players start using the website on their own.
I know some things I've said in this post had already been said, but I thought it would be good for you to read them again
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Amanda Wilkins
Caldari Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2010.05.20 07:02:00 -
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Currently in the process of deleting contacts on 8 accounts. This should not be necessary, CCP.
You fail!
Amanda Wilkins CEO of Dromedary, Goat, Albatross and Fish
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Latex Underwear
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Posted - 2010.05.20 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: gargars
Originally by: Ephemeral Waves
Originally by: CCP Rhayger In summary, we are listening very closely to your concerns and are making conscious changes to address your privacy needs...
You don't seem to be listening very closely at all. There is one change that you need to make to satisfy all of the privacy concerns: Change the default privacy setting to "no pilots" for all three options.
THIS!!! This way you can keep your precious mandatory 'opt in' and address some of people's main concerns. So you will do this right? If not - WHY NOT?
Conspicuous lack of response suggests that they don't have a logical reason. I suspect it is something like "this will be cool! They'll all like it. Right? Screw them if they don't, I like it".
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Ecatherina W
Gallente AAA.FSI Holding Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.20 15:44:00 -
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I have inactive accounts. They are unprotected by CCP by this latest move. That does not increase my interest in reactivating extra accounts.
Shame on you, CCP, for not making this opt-out by default! ***** Empress of the Multiverse *****
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emperor palpy
Amarr Endless Destruction Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2010.05.21 01:16:00 -
[111]
im having a problem with eve gate in which its only letting me log in to the sisi version of my account instead of tq... how do i tell it to log onto the tq account? *fox bark* |
Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.05.21 03:15:00 -
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I'll just add my support to the idea that the failure to distinguish between "someone I will shoot on sight" and "someone I want to ignore" is a big concern for me. Just as the "someone I invite to loot & salvage my mission space without repercussions" is very different to "someone I want to socialise with."
I have a bunch of folks who I've set +10 so they can loot my missions or ore cans without going blinky red. I don't want them knowing of all the other people I've got set to +10 or -10 or what not.
On the other hand, there are people like Mynxee or Wensley that I'd love to make friends with socially, but that I'd prefer to keep -10 on my standings list because having them in system while I'm mining is a bad thing. Telling people "gf" in local doesn't mean you want to set them blue on your standings list.
This has the smell of, "we have to get this friends list populated somehow, let's just repurpose the standings flags." That's a bad, bad code smell.
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BeanBagKing
Ch3mic4l Warfare STR8NGE BREW
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Posted - 2010.05.22 04:48:00 -
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Edited by: BeanBagKing on 22/05/2010 04:49:56 Huh, was talking to a player today about the settings. My response was "meh, just log in and turn them off, set them to no pilot"
"but bean, they are throttling connections, you may not be able to log in for days"
"No way, who would do that? Manditory op in is fine with me as long as I can turn it off, but if I'm not able to even do that until well after the data is scr.aped?"
So I go and read, and sure enough.... CCP, I like the concept, I really do, but your approach is completely buggers.
THEREFOR I SUGGEST A COMPROMISE!
CCP, make all data set to No Pilot UNTIL the very first time you log in. In this way people settings are completely protected until they have a chance to secure them, YET! you still have your default shared friends list and all, just not until people are able to actually get to their settings (we can assume they may not be home that day, they may be one of the ones who are throttled, etc).
We can all see at this point that CCP isn't completely listening to the players, though I've seen a few good changes made to this and other stuff, and we can see that the players aren't happy with what is happening. I think this would make both sides happy, what do you say?
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B0X
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.05.22 09:35:00 -
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Question. Is this affected by corp standings? I'm not keen on removing all my contacts, but will if I have too.
I just had a thought, I know this is a game, but you are still allowing data to be shared. Would this be covered by the data protection act in the UK?
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.22 21:51:00 -
[115]
Originally by: B0X Question. Is this affected by corp standings?
No, only personal standings count. Just heading this question off so the developers don't think that our real concerns are just people who misunderstand the features :) There's still a few days left for No Pilots to be set as default...
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Ganagati
Caldari Dark Ashes
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Posted - 2010.05.23 03:13:00 -
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Ok, I'm a little confused here as I haven't tried the beta of EveGate, so can someone please give me a rundown of the things that will be readily available for players to see? The screenshots make it look like only I will have access to my contacts list, but the people on here are talking like that sort of information will be readily handed out to everyone. I'm really curious myself. If that is the case, and considering that this game is all about war and the importance of information... Im curious whether I should write down my contacts in notepad and clear them out in game or not.
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Saman Ayan
Minmatar Lazy.
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Posted - 2010.05.23 08:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ganagati Ok, I'm a little confused here as I haven't tried the beta of EveGate, so can someone please give me a rundown of the things that will be readily available for players to see? The screenshots make it look like only I will have access to my contacts list, but the people on here are talking like that sort of information will be readily handed out to everyone. I'm really curious myself. If that is the case, and considering that this game is all about war and the importance of information... Im curious whether I should write down my contacts in notepad and clear them out in game or not.
At the moment, the default privacy settings are set such that anyone you have personally set to +10 (not corp) will be able to see your broadcast log, mutual contacts (contacts you both share) and your full contact list, which is what a lot of people have issues with. Everyone else will not be able to see your contacts list, so it isn't exactly out in the open.
It would have been better if CCP set the settings to 'No Pilot', ie contacts are hidden from everybody. But well, :CCP:
It would be best to keep all personal contacts to neutral for now until you can change the settings in EVE Gate when it goes live.
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Ruby Xenoshade
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Posted - 2010.05.23 23:07:00 -
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Meta-gaming nullsec alliance spotted!
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Siiee
Recycled Heroes
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Posted - 2010.05.24 02:22:00 -
[119]
Originally by: CCP Rhayger 1) Most importantly, EVE Gate is NOT an optional service added onto EVE. It is a new fundamental part of EVE, just as much a part as in game mail, fitting windows, contracts, etc. Opt-in versus opt-out implies this is an optional service slapped on the side
All of Eves core mechanics are opt-in. When I undock I am opting in to PVP combat, when I put up a market order I am opting in to being manipulated and losing all my isk. When I put my items in a corporate hangar I am opting in to the potential for corp theft. With Eve Gate I do nothing and my information is exposed, that is quite unlike any other fundamental parts of eve where the only information that a third party could gather off of you is the info in your character sheet (and even then your certificates for instance, all default to private)
Originally by: CCP Rhayger Our approach to addressing your concerns is not to turn off access all together, but to give you the tools to manage the control of your information yourself.
Tools are good, and I do want to manage the control of my information myself, but the default settings must be fail-safe. I don't want to cut off my access to the network, but I want any information that I share to be a conscious decision on my part and not because someone else thinks that I should.
Originally by: CCP Rhayger 3) At its core this is a social network for EVE Players, not an anti-Social network. An opt-in setting would have almost no one included at start and is contrary to the purpose of the feature and would cripple its usefulness.
In two sentences you admit that you feel that "almost no one" would actively want to use this feature, and the best way to make anti-social players use the thing is to force them into the network and share some of their information?
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emperor palpy
Amarr Endless Destruction Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2010.05.24 05:47:00 -
[120]
tbh i dont know what to make of "spacebook" as some have coined it and im happy for ccp that there experimenting and all but its only letting me see my SISI character and not my tq one and i would rlly love an awnser as to how to solve this or if its working as intendedà *fox bark* |
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Zora'e
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.05.24 06:44:00 -
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Edited by: Zora''e on 24/05/2010 07:20:36
Originally by: CCP Rhayger Regarding EVE Gate being opt-in versus opt-out I am afraid that will not be the case. This is a conscious decision on our behalf for a number of key reasons.
1) Most importantly, EVE Gate is NOT an optional service added onto EVE. It is a new fundamental part of EVE, just as much a part as in game mail, fitting windows, contracts, etc. Opt-in versus opt-out implies this is an optional service slapped on the side, it is not. Extensive effort and investment will be going into broadening EVE Gate so that it is indispensable in enhancing and improving your experience
2) We are not ignoring security concerns, on the contrary we are investing heavily in addressing them and it is our goal to meet your concerns by giving you flexible control over your information. Our approach to addressing your concerns is not to turn off access all together, but to give you the tools to manage the control of your information yourself. This is something that will be continuously worked on, added to and enhanced
3) At its core this is a social network for EVE Players, not an anti-Social network. An opt-in setting would have almost no one included at start and is contrary to the purpose of the feature and would cripple its usefulness. We feel there are better and more productive ways to address your privacy needs.
In summary, we are listening very closely to your concerns and are making conscious changes to address your privacy needs, some of those changes you have already seen as a result of feedback from alpha testing. However we feel an opt-in or opt-out option is not the answer. As EVE Gate comes to life and you begin using it we would appreciate your feedback on the account settings we roll out and what further controls you would like to see added
Are you guys REALLY this fricking moronically stupid? I play eve for in game content. Not some stupid browser warrior idiocy like you are planning. I have no intention of using eve gate. Ever. You morons. It has exactly squat to do with my playing eve the mmo (i.e. the internet spaceship game where you fly internet spaceships and blow crap up).
If you think you can force people to use an out of game extension to your mmo (other than forcing them to go in and OPT OUT (dumbasses), you guys have your heads shoved so far up your own asses I am surprised you can even fricking breathe. I swear I thought you guys were actually intelligent but I see you are bound and determined to prove me horribly wrong.
What a bunch of moronically stupid idiots you guys are.
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Colorblind Cacciatore
Nullsec Shipping and Supply
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Posted - 2010.05.24 09:01:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Zora'e Edited by: Zora''e on 24/05/2010 07:20:36
Originally by: CCP Rhayger Regarding EVE Gate being opt-in versus opt-out I am afraid that will not be the case. This is a conscious decision on our behalf for a number of key reasons.
1) Most importantly, EVE Gate is NOT an optional service added onto EVE. It is a new fundamental part of EVE, just as much a part as in game mail, fitting windows, contracts, etc. Opt-in versus opt-out implies this is an optional service slapped on the side, it is not. Extensive effort and investment will be going into broadening EVE Gate so that it is indispensable in enhancing and improving your experience
2) We are not ignoring security concerns, on the contrary we are investing heavily in addressing them and it is our goal to meet your concerns by giving you flexible control over your information. Our approach to addressing your concerns is not to turn off access all together, but to give you the tools to manage the control of your information yourself. This is something that will be continuously worked on, added to and enhanced
3) At its core this is a social network for EVE Players, not an anti-Social network. An opt-in setting would have almost no one included at start and is contrary to the purpose of the feature and would cripple its usefulness. We feel there are better and more productive ways to address your privacy needs.
In summary, we are listening very closely to your concerns and are making conscious changes to address your privacy needs, some of those changes you have already seen as a result of feedback from alpha testing. However we feel an opt-in or opt-out option is not the answer. As EVE Gate comes to life and you begin using it we would appreciate your feedback on the account settings we roll out and what further controls you would like to see added
Are you guys REALLY this fricking moronically stupid? I play eve for in game content. Not some stupid browser warrior idiocy like you are planning. I have no intention of using eve gate. Ever. You morons. It has exactly squat to do with my playing eve the mmo (i.e. the internet spaceship game where you fly internet spaceships and blow crap up).
If you think you can force people to use an out of game extension to your mmo (other than forcing them to go in and OPT OUT (dumbasses), you guys have your heads shoved so far up your own asses I am surprised you can even fricking breathe. I swear I thought you guys were actually intelligent but I see you are bound and determined to prove me horribly wrong.
What a bunch of moronically stupid idiots you guys are.
Now tell us how you really feel >_>
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.24 09:27:00 -
[123]
Maybe Chribba's star power can earn us an 11th hour reprieve.
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Zora'e
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.05.24 10:31:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Colorblind Cacciatore
Originally by: Zora'e Edited by: Zora''e on 24/05/2010 07:20:36
Originally by: CCP Rhayger Regarding EVE Gate being opt-in versus opt-out I am afraid that will not be the case. This is a conscious decision on our behalf for a number of key reasons.
1) Most importantly, EVE Gate is NOT an optional service added onto EVE. It is a new fundamental part of EVE, just as much a part as in game mail, fitting windows, contracts, etc. Opt-in versus opt-out implies this is an optional service slapped on the side, it is not. Extensive effort and investment will be going into broadening EVE Gate so that it is indispensable in enhancing and improving your experience
2) We are not ignoring security concerns, on the contrary we are investing heavily in addressing them and it is our goal to meet your concerns by giving you flexible control over your information. Our approach to addressing your concerns is not to turn off access all together, but to give you the tools to manage the control of your information yourself. This is something that will be continuously worked on, added to and enhanced
3) At its core this is a social network for EVE Players, not an anti-Social network. An opt-in setting would have almost no one included at start and is contrary to the purpose of the feature and would cripple its usefulness. We feel there are better and more productive ways to address your privacy needs.
In summary, we are listening very closely to your concerns and are making conscious changes to address your privacy needs, some of those changes you have already seen as a result of feedback from alpha testing. However we feel an opt-in or opt-out option is not the answer. As EVE Gate comes to life and you begin using it we would appreciate your feedback on the account settings we roll out and what further controls you would like to see added
Are you guys REALLY this fricking moronically stupid? I play eve for in game content. Not some stupid browser warrior idiocy like you are planning. I have no intention of using eve gate. Ever. You morons. It has exactly squat to do with my playing eve the mmo (i.e. the internet spaceship game where you fly internet spaceships and blow crap up).
If you think you can force people to use an out of game extension to your mmo (other than forcing them to go in and OPT OUT (dumbasses), you guys have your heads shoved so far up your own asses I am surprised you can even fricking breathe. I swear I thought you guys were actually intelligent but I see you are bound and determined to prove me horribly wrong.
What a bunch of moronically stupid idiots you guys are.
Now tell us how you really feel >_>
Originally I did but all that posted was a bunch of ************** so I was forced to edit it to be somewhat more politically correct, even though...
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Cigic
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Posted - 2010.05.26 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kossaw
Originally by: CCP Rhayger
1) Most importantly, EVE Gate is NOT an optional service added onto EVE. It is a new fundamental part of EVE, just as much a part as in game mail, fitting windows, contracts, etc. Opt-in versus opt-out implies this is an optional service slapped on the side, it is not. Extensive effort and investment will be going into broadening EVE Gate so that it is indispensable in enhancing and improving your experience
So let me get this straight. You expect that we MUST use eve-gate - and the way you ensure this is to force us all to log in ASAP to check out security settings so that data we do not want to be shared is actually hidden (After you have already shared it) I assume at this point you are aware of the very public scr*w ups by google in recent times with respect to publishing private data. Please don't repeat this.
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In summary, we are listening very closely to your concerns and are making conscious changes to address your privacy needs, some of those changes you have already seen as a result of feedback from alpha testing. However we feel an opt-in or opt-out option is not the answer. As EVE Gate comes to life and you begin using it we would appreciate your feedback on the account settings we roll out and what further controls you would like to see added
OK Here's some feedback .... I HATE FACEBOOK AND I DONT WANT TO BE FORCED TO USE EVE-GATE. Default settings must be that player settings and data is ABSOLUTELY PRIVATE, unless explicitly shared in eve-gate.
Clear enough for you ?
If you want Eve-Gate to be "indispensable" do this by making it more functional, not by forcing us to use it.
signed
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Zey Nadar
Gallente S0utherN Comfort Enforcers of Serenity
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Posted - 2010.05.26 11:29:00 -
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Edited by: Zey Nadar on 26/05/2010 11:33:06 Edited by: Zey Nadar on 26/05/2010 11:29:45
Originally by: Zora'e
If you think you can force people to use an out of game extension to your mmo (other than forcing them to go in and OPT OUT (dumbasses), you guys have your heads shoved so far up your own asses I am surprised you can even fricking breathe. I swear I thought you guys were actually intelligent but I see you are bound and determined to prove me horribly wrong.
What a bunch of moronically stupid idiots you guys are.
Seconding above poster..
I havent been particularly paying attention to what this evegatething is doing but Im absolutely against CCP publicizing any data that was previously private and expect us to act on changing security settings to prevent its publication.. What about those people are are taking time away from game?
Quote: default settings must be fail-safe
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Caera LeBlond
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Posted - 2010.05.26 12:05:00 -
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Hmmm, privacy laws for made up characters in a made up world existing solely in the 0's and 1's of chips of and disks. Please......
I'm not a lawyer specialising in privacy laws but even in France that would be expecting a bit much. Also doesn't the EULA clearly state that all characters, content, etc.... is and remains the property of CCP and all you are paying for is the opportunity to use it? So they are publishing their own information really. As long as they keep usernames, passwords and any information relating to you (the real person, you know the one who has a physical presence) then that seems pretty hunky dory to me and probably any legal system in the world (the one that the physical things live on and as far as I know the only one that currently is known to have sentient life on it).
Don't some people get all worked up about nothing.
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Jamie Banks
Gallente Wasted and Still Mining
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Posted - 2010.05.26 23:27:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Caera LeBlond Hmmm, privacy laws for made up characters in a made up world existing solely in the 0's and 1's of chips of and disks. Please......
I'm not a lawyer specialising in privacy laws but even in France that would be expecting a bit much. Also doesn't the EULA clearly state that all characters, content, etc.... is and remains the property of CCP and all you are paying for is the opportunity to use it? So they are publishing their own information really. As long as they keep usernames, passwords and any information relating to you (the real person, you know the one who has a physical presence) then that seems pretty hunky dory to me and probably any legal system in the world (the one that the physical things live on and as far as I know the only one that currently is known to have sentient life on it).
Don't some people get all worked up about nothing.
Seconded _____________________________
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IntelJoe
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Posted - 2010.05.27 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jamie Banks
Originally by: Caera LeBlond Hmmm, privacy laws for made up characters in a made up world existing solely in the 0's and 1's of chips of and disks. Please......
I'm not a lawyer specialising in privacy laws but even in France that would be expecting a bit much. Also doesn't the EULA clearly state that all characters, content, etc.... is and remains the property of CCP and all you are paying for is the opportunity to use it? So they are publishing their own information really. As long as they keep usernames, passwords and any information relating to you (the real person, you know the one who has a physical presence) then that seems pretty hunky dory to me and probably any legal system in the world (the one that the physical things live on and as far as I know the only one that currently is known to have sentient life on it).
Don't some people get all worked up about nothing.
Seconded
Seconded.....Awwwwwww
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Aeila Goch
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Posted - 2010.05.27 02:34:00 -
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Change default settings to 'No Pilot'
Split Buddies & Blocked again.
Add some form of list management, folders etc.
But to be honest, I'd sooner you use the Devs time fixing the games gooey (GUI) so that it remembers user setting properly & on in game bugs, rather than this!
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Fight Song
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Posted - 2010.05.27 02:36:00 -
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PPL! lets not forget the biggest issue here!
And that issue is facebook is gay. I mean really gay. Like 6 men and a dog humping on a park bench gay. Drop an f and add a sp and its still pretty gay.
Im not gay see see pee! I like women with huge knockers! sometimes i dont even have to pay them!
Say no to spacebook mkay
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Nishachara
Special Operations Corp Mortal Destruction
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Posted - 2010.05.27 04:20:00 -
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Edited by: Nishachara on 27/05/2010 04:24:13 Edited by: Nishachara on 27/05/2010 04:20:20 First of all, I dont like facebook, msn and all that c..p :P
But its usefull to stay in touch with people, arange a meeting etc...etc...
And eve gate will also be usefull to some people, and some will hate it.
But the main point is...IT TAKES LESS TIME TO CHANGE PRIVACY SETTINGS THAN TO RAGE ABOUT IT ON THE FORUMS.
Just STFU.
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Arriyanna Blue
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Posted - 2010.05.27 04:20:00 -
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Originally by: Fight Song PPL! lets not forget the biggest issue here!
And that issue is facebook is gay. I mean really gay. Like 6 men and a dog humping on a park bench gay. Drop an f and add a sp and its still pretty gay.
Im not gay see see pee! I like women with huge knockers! sometimes i dont even have to pay them!
Say no to spacebook mkay
I also don't like facebook, but it's practical. And eve gate is also practical, cause you don't need to be logged on to see what happens (and to read your mails), and you can communicate with people out of game. I don't see anything bad in this.
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Amanda Wilkins
Caldari Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2010.05.27 07:29:00 -
[134]
Support this topic, please, to set the default to no pilots Amanda Wilkins CEO of Dromedary, Goat, Albatross and Fish
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Anosh
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Posted - 2010.05.27 07:58:00 -
[135]
OK so I went to the site www.evegate.com and my browser advised the site fails certification and advises me not to enter personal information.
Now what ?
I feel damned if i do and doamned if i don't.
Good job CCP, NOT.
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Verlorene Seele
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Posted - 2010.05.27 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Anosh OK so I went to the site www.evegate.com and my browser advised the site fails certification and advises me not to enter personal information.
Now what ?
I feel damned if i do and doamned if i don't.
Good job CCP, NOT.
Hmm, iv not seen a link to eve gate yet, i googled it and results are Evegate business park, propperty, shops and services located in rural kent So atm all my private stuffs is on show and i cant do anything about it? iv search eve website and just get lead to dev blogs and after much searching i now find me asking for a link to the site (after finding a evegate with strange address) https://gate.eveonline.com/ but i realy dont want to type my details into there to log in, to find out the isk farmers have made their own site.
If anyone can help plz, it would be much appreciated
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Zallende
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Posted - 2010.05.27 08:57:00 -
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EveGate is available now, it still says it's in beta but it's got live data in it.
https://evegate.com/
It has a certificate error, you'll need to override it to get in. I figure that, in this case, that's probably a safe bet.
You can then do what I did - go in and set everything to "No Pilots".
I'm struggling to imagine what use this 'feature' is going to have, and why the Devs have spent time on it, but at least if you do this your mind can be set to rest.
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.27 09:27:00 -
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I used https://gate.eveonline.com for setting my interface to No Pilots. At least, I know it's a domain owned by CCP, and there are no cert warnings there.
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Sjarana
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Posted - 2010.05.27 09:42:00 -
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Is this the thread to post feedback on the use of Spacebook?
If so, 1. Editing the Bio does not work properly, I can change the Bio, but there is no send button to confirm it.
2. The listing of my contacts does not show all contacts. One at the bottom I can read but the tick box is hidden by the bar.
3. Some of my character show the wrong avatar. A nice female gallente turned into an ugly Amarr ****head. Logging in on that account itself showed the right avatar. So something is twisted in the database I think.
4. Changing between screens is a tad slow.
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Verlorene Seele
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Posted - 2010.05.27 10:00:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Zallende EveGate is available now, it still says it's in beta but it's got live data in it.
https://evegate.com/
It has a certificate error, you'll need to override it to get in. I figure that, in this case, that's probably a safe bet.
You can then do what I did - go in and set everything to "No Pilots".
I'm struggling to imagine what use this 'feature' is going to have, and why the Devs have spent time on it, but at least if you do this your mind can be set to rest.
Zallende.
Thanks m8.... on a side note, yea iv set everything to 'no pilots' as ill never use evegate myself, although, that said, i doubt it would matter anyway, im a gallente male on that site, so obviously its full ov s****
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Zallende
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Posted - 2010.05.27 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: chatgris I used https://gate.eveonline.com for setting my interface to No Pilots. At least, I know it's a domain owned by CCP, and there are no cert warnings there.
Many thanks for this!
Zallende
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Anosh
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Posted - 2010.05.27 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: Anosh on 27/05/2010 11:53:20
Originally by: Zallende
Originally by: chatgris I used https://gate.eveonline.com for setting my interface to No Pilots. At least, I know it's a domain owned by CCP, and there are no cert warnings there.
Many thanks for this!
Zallende
Just tried this, and got :
Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage
so i guess i gotta use the beta site with the cert error or nothing ? Damn this is frustrating.
edit : even the link to test.evegate from the latest devblog linked by the OP of this thread doesn't work. Way to go CCP. You force this change on us and then provide no safe looking way to access it. Seriously dumb.
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Lockear
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Posted - 2010.05.27 19:46:00 -
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no pilots for me. Thanks for asking me ccp :)
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Viper26
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Posted - 2010.05.27 20:57:00 -
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Well, I don't like if I "have to" use something, some will like it, others, won't. I think time will shows us how useful it could be. By the way I don't want to play with my browser, instead of EVE...
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Asuri Kinnes
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.05.27 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Rhayger 1) Most importantly, EVE Gate is NOT an optional service added onto EVE. It is a new fundamental part of EVE, just as much a part as in game mail, fitting windows, contracts, etc. Opt-in versus opt-out implies this is an optional service slapped on the side, it is not. Extensive effort and investment will be going into broadening EVE Gate so that it is indispensable in enhancing and improving your experience.
/sigh...
How in the name of all the good gods can you imagine that this "feature" is *not* optional? Can I play the game without using the fitting window? no.
Can I play the game without using contracts? Yeah, but you cripple yourself... so, not really.
Can I play without my in game mail? Maybe, but really, only solo...
So, what will you make it that I *can't* do, without Eve-Gate? Because as it stands right now, it is most *assuredly* "optional"...
Opt-out is (imho) just wrong-headed for all the reasons mentioned...
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Saen Wolfe
Caldari Talon Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.05.27 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Sjarana Is this the thread to post feedback on the use of Spacebook?
If so, 1. Editing the Bio does not work properly, I can change the Bio, but there is no send button to confirm it.
2. The listing of my contacts does not show all contacts. One at the bottom I can read but the tick box is hidden by the bar.
3. Some of my character show the wrong avatar. A nice female gallente turned into an ugly Amarr ****head. Logging in on that account itself showed the right avatar. So something is twisted in the database I think.
4. Changing between screens is a tad slow.
I also have an avatar picture that is incorrect. I'm a Male Caldari with some random Female avatar picture.
In game it's correct, but in Eve Gate it's wrong. I know this is a minor issue, but come on, this shouldn't be happening.
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smileynz
Gallente Sons Of Alexander On the Rocks
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Posted - 2010.05.28 06:11:00 -
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A lot of *****ing and moaning here.
I find evegate very handy. Can keep an eye on my corp, mail and now reply to people with my abacus at Work
Calander a awesome addition
thanks CCP
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Gethis Stark
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Posted - 2010.05.28 13:07:00 -
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Quote: Profile Settings
The following pilots have the ability to see my profile's full contacts list: {set to none} The following pilots have the ability to see my profile's mutual contacts: {set to None} Pilots, Corporations and Alliances that you have blocked will not have the option to see your contacts.
Yeah I can see how thats hard to do!
All the self righteousness is amusing, if you are so paranoid about your standings and stuff I have an idea, stop playing, and before you go, kan I haz ur stuff?
You donÆt like it, adapt, im sure thatÆs the Eve mantra, **** itÆs what is always said when the nerfbat swings. But then hey if you did that, you couldnÆt have a nice little self righteous "omg the sky is falling" rant. If this affected your Real life, then yes you would have a point otherwise, itÆs a game, get over yourselves already.
CCP, thanks for the patch, and Evegate, its looking good apart from the little extra patch (starbase bug), and possible reporting thingy, IÆm hoping itÆs a reporting thingy or I just lost a couple of days worth of skills, Meh, I will survive.
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M Sullivan
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Posted - 2010.05.29 03:30:00 -
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Right, I think some are not just getting the "issue" here. The "issue" for me, is for them to assume that I WANT to share my contacts or anything else, no matter what standing they have. That very concept of "assuming" that I want to share anything without asking me is offensive, no matter how little or insignificant that information is. It is my choice to do so and my alone. People have been letting their guards down in this regards on the Internet more and more, this is starting to be Orwells biggest nightmare, get your tag reader ready...
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Schwarngyu
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Posted - 2010.05.29 10:33:00 -
[150]
They dont play Eve anymore its why we get our subscriptions or CCP development dollars spent on this waste of time which I am sure will be great for the World of Darkness product, but we get to pay to be beta test this epic fail facebook rip off.
Devs please step away from the keyboard slap yourself a few times, and please add something that these customers actually want to Eve.
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Achmed TheDead
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Posted - 2010.05.30 02:58:00 -
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(QR)
I saw a page somewhere once that said some of the features that will be coming to eve gate.
some of these seam awesome: Market access Corporation management access. notepad (ingame) access.
and others, I feel accessing from evegate would be bloody awesome.
I think though, that to express some of the concerns i saw. if any feature (present or future) that can manipulate your character in anyway (wallet, market, skills, etc) that there should be an added layer of security. like a security question or something .
just a thought, don't flame me or do, i wont see it anyway.
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Teddie Johnson
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Posted - 2010.05.30 12:34:00 -
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Doesn't work on a blackberry?!! Will this be fixed during beta? |
Kawasemi
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Posted - 2010.05.30 17:15:00 -
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Edited by: Kawasemi on 30/05/2010 17:16:46 Hi,
I understand that the eve-gate is not yet complete, but i would like to point out few notes, as i feel its somewhat going to the wrong direction. I understand its supposed to work for you when you are not able to use the actual client, but i would like to point out the usability issues of it, when using it thru the in-game-browser.
a) The front page of the eve gate is the default page for ingame browser. And for that its very much not usable, for following reasons a1) Front page spams the player about "trial times" and how to become a member. Its useless if you are already a member. a2) You are not automatically logged in. Have you heard from SSO ever? I log in to game account, and ill open my eve-gate. Now i need to relog to access eve-gate over ingame browser, i need to relog AGAIN to access the forums, and despite the fact i cross the "keep me logged in" (why ever portal have to make their own term for this?) it does NOT remember be if i log out from client and log in again. a3) The front page is lacking much of the actual news content, and its filled with large picture of useless information. Many of the relevant links, like patch notes, are not available from the front page at all. a4) try to write "patch notes" to the front page search field, when you are _not_ logged in yet, but using ingame browser. You cant even _search_ the site without logging in.. (although you are using ingame browser). a5) write "patch notes" to search field _when logged in_ and you get 0 hits. What is the search for? its not clear what content you are actually searching. a6) why most of the links on the front page open to a new tab? a7) there are RSS feeds advertised on the frontpage, but when i actually navigate to open eve-related RSS feed, its totally unreadable in the ingamebrowser.
new content: b) Altho eve-mails are shown it the mail management, the notifications are not. c) its really difficult to understand who is your _actual_ "buzzer/twitter/oneliner" audience. I understand the standing management is now been simplified to 5 icons which is a really good thing, but the link between standings and visibility of your buzzes, is not clear. d) the buzzes form a player produced content that are not easily visible from the client it self, there are no notifications _ingame_ that someone wrote a new buzz, nor you can read them (easily at least). e) when you are logged in, in the profile tab, go to the "employment history", you can see under it the button "edit bio" altho, the bio is in different content tab f)(terminology) why there are links "profile" and "profile settings" on the UI, when they mean different things. (there are other terminology issues as well).
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Sarina Berghil
Minmatar New Zion Judge Advocate
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Posted - 2010.05.31 12:23:00 -
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A small UI issue.
Selected menu items within Eve-gate are shown with a dark background. This seems counter-intuitive since the website as a whole has a dark theme. Normally a selected item would be made to stand out from the default look.
When there is several elements its quite easy to see which one is selected, but if there's only two elements its not immediate obvious. This reminds me of old console applications using coloured bars to select items. With only 2 items the result will be a light bar and a dark bar - which one is the selected item?
A better approach might be to use a graphical indicator of some sort to mark the selected menu item.
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Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:31:00 -
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Edited by: Sky Marshal on 31/05/2010 17:32:13 Edited by: Sky Marshal on 31/05/2010 17:31:48
Originally by: Achmed TheDead (QR)
I saw a page somewhere once that said some of the features that will be coming to eve gate.
some of these seam awesome: Market access
I seriously hope it will be never the case for the market, or a read access only to consult market and order states. If we are able to change orders, EVE-Gate will be heaven for macro-traders. _______ With the NGE, I'm sorry about the mistake we made. We screwed up and didn't listen to the fans when we should have. - John Smedley, CEO of Sony Online Entertainment |
Hayden Altier
Wolfpack Explorations Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2010.06.01 16:48:00 -
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Anyone else having character portrait problems?
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Shaul Amaninatis
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.03 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kawasemi Edited by: Kawasemi on 30/05/2010 17:16:46 <snip>
b) Altho eve-mails are shown it the mail management, the notifications are not.
<snip>
CCP, please add notifications to EVE Gate, asap!
That would improve EVE Gate's usefullness alot.
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Rommiee
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Posted - 2010.06.04 09:57:00 -
[158]
When sending a message from EveGate, all the formatting is lost and it ends as one big wall of text.
Is there a timeframe in place to get this fixed ?
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Schwarngyu
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Posted - 2010.06.11 23:28:00 -
[159]
What happened to Wide Screen? WHY WHY WHY, why did "camera" changes require the removal of the nice black bars, can't you guys code a real widescreen mode? I hate this I used to be able to see my mod's easier in brightly lit room, now if I am in a system looking at the sun I can't see what they heck is going on during heavy action.
BE GREAT IF YOU COULD STOP REMOVING FEATURES WE USE IN THIS GAME FOR YEARS!
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Jim Luc
Caldari Rule of Five Lucky Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.14 16:57:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Luc on 14/06/2010 16:58:57 Any chance I can get email notifications when I receive an email or someone comments on my status? Or when someone comments on one of my comments in someone's status?
EDIT: By email notifications, I mean "real life" email notifications, with the ability to reply directly from real life. This would be very nice.
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