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xenonator
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Posted - 2010.05.13 06:39:00 -
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Well I played have played Eve online since October 2007 and followed the suggested career paths through mining (excruciatingly boring) and then on to level 4 mission running (very boring after the first initial rush), and looking back over those 5 years I feel sad writing this.
I recently asked on the eve online forums what I could do for some in game entertainment and had some good suggestions. Following those suggestions I joined a low sec corp and trained for exploration and a covert ops ship (Buzzard) to try and alleviate the crushing boredom that is Eve online. I just started to move my **** from Frarn (high sec space, maybe 0.9) towards 0.0 space and got ganked by three pirates right outside of the Frarn space station. Concord did nothing, they never fired a shot and I got podded, so bang goes my Raven and a whole bunch of T2 gear and implants. My point is this: despite all the CCP bluster about how they have expanded the game there isn't really any thing to do in Eve Online except hang around in groups and gank people. The lack of content in the game drives players in this direction and the end result is generational: the guys that have been playing the longest hold all the cards.
Eve online, what a total waste of time. Don't play it unless you want to hammer your head against the wall. There's nothing to do unless you want to hang around in groups and destroy what others have made. I have real life regrets in terms of dollars and time expended with respect to this game. cheers. kev.
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GPerson
Gallente
Dreddit
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Posted - 2010.05.13 06:49:00 -
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tl;dr Gets ganked after two years of missions, EVE-O is a **** game.
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Balthier Aero
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Posted - 2010.05.13 06:52:00 -
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Did u pay attention to what sec u were in? i'm fairly new to the game but i some times auto jump through gates into .4 space and get podded. The game is fun as long as you take it in patiently. Your not going to get anywhere wanting instant gratification.
People have also stated plenty of times that New Eden is designed to be cutthroat. You walked into the trap set by the pirates. Don't fly what you can't afford to replace and you should be fine.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.05.13 10:11:00 -
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 Originally by: xenonator
Well I played have played Eve online since October 2007... ...looking back over those 5 years I feel sad writing this.
Maths isn't one of your strong points, is it?
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.05.13 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: xenonator
There's nothing to do unless you want to hang around in groups and destroy what others have made.
The last time I destroyed something belonging to another player was in the summer of 2006.
There's plenty of other things to do if you don't like blowing stuff up, it just seems you lack the imagination. A sandbox clearly is not for you.
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Baneken
Gallente
Aseveljet
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.05.13 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: xenonator
I just started to move my **** from Frarn (high sec space, maybe 0.9) towards 0.0 space and got ganked by three pirates right outside of the Frarn space station. Concord did nothing, they never fired a shot and I got podded, so bang goes my Raven and a whole bunch of T2 gear and implants.
So you were in high sec (0.8 actually) and you got a shot ?
Maybe you should check whose can you flip the next time or if the corporation you're joining to doesn't happen to be in war when you join them... 
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Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.05.13 11:16:00 -
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There's a ton of things to do but if you give up easily on your first failure I agree EVE is not for you.
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foksieloy
Minmatar
Universal Army
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.05.13 13:40:00 -
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Can i have your stuff?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.05.13 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: xenonator
Well I played have played Eve online since October 2007... ...looking back over those 5 years I feel sad writing this.
Maths isn't one of your strong points, is it?
It's just one of his non-strong points.
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Kerertie
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Posted - 2010.05.13 15:10:00 -
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Edited by: Kerertie on 13/05/2010 15:10:05
lol
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Syn Callibri
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Posted - 2010.05.13 15:25:00 -
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So you've played since 2007 and got ganked for the first time...Did you ever leave the station or Hi-Sec?
...just asking.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.05.13 15:28:00 -
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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 13/05/2010 15:28:40
Posting in a
I can't think of anything to do = There is nothing to do
I died = Crap game
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Protip: Avoid becoming like the OP! Lose a ship and get over it today!
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SemiCharmed
Clans of the Sanctums
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Posted - 2010.05.13 15:53:00 -
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And from this little guys rant we learn that you should pay attention on whats going on, don't mine and that the only reason the older players hold allot of the cards is because some of us older players went out there, got to know new players in eve and know all the "who, what, when, why and where" and when we got knocked off our e-peen, we got a new one, a bigger one, there are many e-peens like it in eve, however this one is MY, e-peen...
I could rant on, however i love hearing little newbies rant that they got popped and podded and because it happened once it happens every day of there eve life.
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rofflesausage
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Posted - 2010.05.13 16:30:00 -
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Edited by: rofflesausage on 13/05/2010 16:29:42
You played since 2007 and just trained for a buzzard / covert?
What have you been doing all this time?
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Riedle
Minmatar
Origin.
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2010.05.13 16:46:00 -
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Edited by: Riedle on 13/05/2010 16:46:14
He joined a corp in Primary. which was obviously deced by the privateers and got ganked. lols
link
not much of a loss mail at all really. lol
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.13 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: xenonator
got ganked by three pirates right outside of the Frarn (0.8) space station. Concord did nothing
Of course CONCORD does nothing whenever there's a war between the alliances the pilots belong to, that's the whole point of a wardec.
Might want to be more attentive to the wars your corp/alliance is involved in, and NOT undock solo when there's wartargets in local, or if you're not prepared to PvP.
Or, in other words, pay attention to the local channel.
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There's nothing to do unless you want to hang around in groups and destroy what others have made.
Hmm, I must be doing absolutely nothing for years then.
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I have real life regrets in terms of dollars and time expended with respect to this game.
If there was a time to use the phrase "go back to <insert no-significant-death-penalty MMO name here>", this would be it.
We like EVE just because it lets you lose -EVERYTHING- if you're careless enough to put it on the line, and if a tiny setback like a T2-fitted Raven makes you "get RL regrets over time/cash spent", then EVE is obviously not the game for you.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.13 17:41:00 -
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I've been playing EVE Online for a bit over a year. I have 4 accounts. There is so much for me to do in EVE that I'm hoping it lasts another 10 years.
When I see posts like the OP, I often wonder if we are playing the same game.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.13 19:49:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 13/05/2010 19:50:52
Originally by: Tau Cabalander
When I see posts like the OP, I often wonder if we are playing the same game.
Of course you're not.
You're playing "actively trying out lots of things and having fun in a sandbox even if you get a bloody nose now and then online"...
...he's playing "follow-the-leader on rails, entitlement and preconceptions theme park online".
P.S. I play "seen it all, picked one thing I'm good at and stick with it, just roaming the forums otherwise online" 
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Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.05.14 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Cabalander
I've been playing EVE Online for a bit over a year. I have 4 accounts. There is so much for me to do in EVE that I'm hoping it lasts another 10 years.
When I see posts like the OP, I often wonder if we are playing the same game.
I'm having to cut back on a few things I do to fit in the next thing I want to do. Op is playing another game. It's not easy for new players to see what they can do and other people, like the Op, spouting nonsense on forums does not help. But the Op is not a new player and clearly either he bought his character or simply never played the game while he had it.
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Receg
Caldari Navy Runners
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.14 04:18:00 -
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Edited by: Receg on 14/05/2010 04:19:34
Originally by: Riedle
Edited by: Riedle on 13/05/2010 16:46:14
He joined a corp in Primary. which was obviously deced by the privateers and got ganked. lols
link
not much of a loss mail at all really. lol
It took him 2 mins to get podded after his ship had already died....wtf?!
To op:
What did you do, undock and turn on autopilot/go afk? If you were outside of a station then re-dock, if your ship gets destroyed then warp away in your pod, at least save your implants.
Edit: perhaps troll?
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Kongkim 040382DK
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Posted - 2010.05.14 09:30:00 -
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Its just sad to loss everything :)
But saying that there is nothing to do is just wrong.
Maby true sandbox games just isent for you.
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Angeli Domini
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.05.14 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kongkim 040382DK
Its just sad to loss everything :)
But saying that there is nothing to do is just wrong.
Maby true sandbox games just isent for you.
Since when losing a stock T2 PVE fit Raven counts as "losing everything"? Judging by the fit, this guys has to have at least close to perfect shield and missile skills, so there may be some credit to his 2007-player story. And we are then supposed to believe that 2007 guy goes emo for a single PVE crapship loss, so counting insurance, probably at max. 20M ISK?
IMHO - don't feed that obvious troll.
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Penny Pancakes
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Posted - 2010.05.14 10:22:00 -
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Go play neopets. You may be happier there, lots of other children across the world play it.
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.05.14 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Angeli Domini
so counting insurance, probably at max. 20M ISK?
I don't know about other carebears but I never insure my ships. Insurance is only worth it if you expect to lose your ship. Carebears can go years without losing a ship. 
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Mari Seles
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Posted - 2010.05.14 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Angeli Domini
so counting insurance, probably at max. 20M ISK?
I don't know about other carebears but I never insure my ships. Insurance is only worth it if you expect to lose your ship. Carebears can go years without losing a ship.
True, but then, 100 million... less thanks to min insurance is nothing for a three year old player.
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kokaku
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Posted - 2010.05.15 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: kokaku on 15/05/2010 11:58:12
so you have been plying since 2007?
i've been playing since 2008 the beginning of 2008 3rd month and what not.
so a few questions have you ever had a billion isk in your wallet at any point in the game while playing?
do you know what a merc corp is? or a war dec for that matter?
i have been playing for a shorter time then you and i think ive done it all 0.0 plexing/billions there marketing more iskies, run a corp run a chain of 20 something pos/way more billions there, run with huge blobs to solo ow sec pirating getting -10.0 sec status and working it back up to having 5.0 sec status and loosing it all over again.
mining rare ores in 0.0 to veld in a 1.0 system doing courier contracts to hording all my plex loot for a month just to look at a ton of faction/dead space mods in my hanger.
if you have been playing since 2007 a raven loose should be nothing to you. it bites loosing ships yes but try loosing hundreds of them or killing thousands/ spread between many accounts though :(
try out dual boxing get into a pvp train corp or something high sec is only the beginning mining and missioning are the basics of the game. if your still stuck going from mission hub to mission hub or mining high sec ores/cheap stuff it is, then you have to look around. i've honestly done so much in this game that im utterly amazed at how i pulled it all off.
talk to people, learn from them, read every thing in the info tabs of ships items rigs ect learn learn learn then put it to use.
i have bought chars for billions of isk one for 22 billion another for 11 though i sold it for 16 after only having it for 4 months good profit in my eyes. character sell forum ftw.
just keep looking, ask around find it.
if you dont look then you wont find.
try WH's out go learn pvp/ best thing in the game in my opinion.
Or get into building the ships you use and sell them learn what marketing is about.
EvE has a lot to offer i have done alot and been around the block enough to think ive seen it all/ dont it all but it keep throwing me new things to have fun like pirating :)
0.0 plex's 10/10's are nuts 100 times harder then lvl 4 missions but worth many time lvl 4's in isk to.
1 raven loss is nothing compaired to people that have lost titans/60-120bill depending on how its fit and still keep going.
you need to strive to get what you want you have to reach out and grab it.
the reason i love this game is becuase i will always ahve a new thing to do or try out.
if you can not do this simple thing of trying to look into other areas and talking to people in local and maken friends to help you out then i would advice something like world of war craft where you do not loose you items and dont ave to train skills that or hello kitty adventure. eve is know for its harshness it is a rough game with no mercy any one could be out to get you just becuase it makes them feel better or because hey dont care or have no reason at all other then it just happened.
look into other things. try them out. if you dont like it you can switch to something else its as easy as that.
man drunk and waiting for DT to get over so i can fly through gate camp that is probably going to be blocking my way hehehehee.
anyways best of luck to you i hope you find what you are looking for and something that interests you just keep looking it will come at some point patience is a virtue.
btw i cant spell for the life of my right now hope you can read any of this and make since of it hehehee
.....wow now that i re read it its like im telling a life story or something hahahahaaha!!!!!!....
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Drew Jerac
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Posted - 2010.05.15 12:23:00 -
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Eve is excatly what you make it at the end of the day, it is a sandbox (one with mines, but a sandbox still) and there is a lot to do outside Mining and Mission Running etc, just need to have a bit of imagnation. Races, PvP tournaments, Roams, Scavenger Hunts just to name a few.
It's been said many times, and I'll say it again:
Eve is what ever you make it.
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xenonator
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Posted - 2010.05.23 06:58:00 -
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Well chaps, what ever you say about eve online as a game one must admit that the the forums are sharp and vibrant.
I blush at my maths fail, it was late and I was angry, but the October 2007 date was correct which is the important issue. Apologies.
As you may have seen from my earlier post I am quite genuinely trying to find something interesting in game to do and to that end joined a low sec corp to try and find something worthwhile....
But I think my point stands, I lost my T2 fitted Raven to a bunch of jerks in high sec. Now I saw the comments on the triviality of my loss, but to me it was a BIG ****ING DEAL. I sweated blood to get that ship and equipment and I resent its loss. If you don't feel my pain its probably because its generational (i.e you have been playing EVE forever and are way ahead of the curve in terms of skills and ISK). For us noobs (Oct 2007) its still a struggle and we don't appreciate you tossers destroying our ships.
Maybe Eve isn't the game for me? Probably, just trying to determine whether the game has anything that I can connect with before I cancel my accounts. I really, really want to like it but there is so little to love. It is everything that Elite, Freelance, Privateer, X2 should be but in reality it's a bunch of entrenched players that feed off of the less skilled. The basic problem is that in the absence of real in game content the only thing for legacy players to do in game is destroy what less skilled players have created and thus you have a generational game.
What's easier? Create something or destroy someone elses? Therein lies the problem. Cheers. Kev.
PS hint: destroy someone elses
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.05.23 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: xenonator
For us noobs (Oct 2007)
At that age you're not a noob no matter what you claim. Though it is obvious that at that age you can still be ignorant about important game mechanics, there's no disputing that.
Originally by: xenonator
Create something or destroy someone elses?
I create stuff all the time, I think it's easier than destroying stuff (when destroying stuff you first have to find it, you have to see if you can take it on, you have to remember aggression mechanics, you have to pin it down, and you have to destroy it - all kinds of things can go wrong there, whereas nothing can go wrong with creating stuff).
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Daisuke Aoki
Gallente
Independent Coalition
Primary.
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Posted - 2010.05.23 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: xenonator
As you may have seen from my earlier post I am quite genuinely trying to find something interesting in game to do and to that end joined a low sec corp to try and find something worthwhile....
No, you didn't, you joined Fleetworks which is in Primary., a nullsec-based alliance. Why were you in Frarn? There were tons of alliance mails sent out by the leadership as well as postings on the alliance forums to stay out of empire space as we were wardeced by Privateers (which is why 'CONCORD did nothing'), and that you were safer in nullsec with your alliance. The fact that you failed to pay attention to any of these warnings and got yourself ganked is your own damn fault.
I have no ****ing clue why Fleetworks recruited someone as whiny as yourself, as from this thread it's evident that you just try to blame everyone else and the game mechanics for your own failings and lack of imagination on what to do in a sandbox-type game such as Eve.
Originally by: xenonator
But I think my point stands, I lost my T2 fitted Raven to a bunch of jerks in high sec.
No, you practically gave it to them by ignoring repeated warnings and being in the wrong place at the wrong time. If you were just trying to move it out of highsec and into Scalding Pass then either wait for a lapse in the wardec (about every other week, Privateers tends to lose interest quickly) or pay a competent corpmate with a jump freighter to haul it down for you. Fleetworks handles most of the alliance's logistics, ffs!
Originally by: xenonator
Now I saw the comments on the triviality of my loss, but to me it was a BIG ****ING DEAL. I sweated blood to get that ship and equipment and I resent its loss. If you don't feel my pain its probably because its generational (i.e you have been playing EVE forever and are way ahead of the curve in terms of skills and ISK).
I joined in January. Of this year. I've lost 40+ ships in IC and previous corps, mostly due to my own inexperience or stupidity. I learned quickly not to fly what I couldn't afford to lose. I learned to expect losses. I learned even learned ways to avoid losses, like staying out of major hub systems when we're wardeced!
Originally by: xenonator
For us noobs (Oct 2007) its still a struggle and we don't appreciate you tossers destroying our ships.
If you're a noob then what the hell am I? Joined in January 2010 because I had friends from an IRC channel I hang out in that played. Granted, maybe I had an advantage because from day one I was surrounded by friends, many of them playing since 04-05 (did I mention one is a former Privateer?) and they told me not to do and corrected my failfits and such. Apparently you've had no such support and you're clueless like a noob when you've been around for three goddamn years.
Originally by: xenonator
Maybe Eve isn't the game for me? Probably, just trying to determine whether the game has anything that I can connect with before I cancel my accounts. I really, really want to like it but there is so little to love. It is everything that Elite, Freelance, Privateer, X2 should be but in reality it's a bunch of entrenched players that feed off of the less skilled. The basic problem is that in the absence of real in game content the only thing for legacy players to do in game is destroy what less skilled players have created and thus you have a generational game.
Not really. And if you're looking for "in game content", why did you join a nullsec-based corp/alliance? Nullsec is arguably the most sandbox-y part of Eve! No missions, no NPC police, and most everything is player-built and player-controlled!
The "entrenched players" in organizations such as Privateers feed off of the less skilled if you *let* them.
Originally by: xenonator
"What's easier? Create something or destroy someone elses? Therein lies the problem. Cheers. Kev.
PS hint: destroy someone"
Only if you lack imagination and ambition.
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xenonator
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Posted - 2010.05.23 10:31:00 -
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The impression I am getting is that there is a lot more interaction on the forums than there is in game. Anyhow...
Fleetworks: These guys are nothing but cool and friendly, any Eve sins committed are mine and mine alone. Fleetworks have been wonderful. Thank you for the invite.
PS I'll leave if you want
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xenonator
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Posted - 2010.05.23 11:05:00 -
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Well probably a quick good bye chaps, and thanks for your responses all of which were stimulating and I read them all more than once. Really, I spent the past couple of hours rereading them. Anyhow I will stop playing Eve Online for these reasons (in order of priority:
1) mind numbingly boring game play
2) lack of in game content
3) generational structure, whatever you do will be destroyed by other (way more skilled) bored players (see 2).
4) the only real fun is to download Evemon and plan out your training
I'm sure that Eve Online as it is currently set up suits a few entrenched players but for anyone that doesn't have a legacy it is a hiding for nothing. Cheers. Kev.
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Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.05.23 11:36:00 -
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You read but you did not learn. In EVE you need a purpose and you have to understand the implications of any decision you make. Learning those implications is part of the fun. If it's not fun for you then you would enjoy more theme park style games I suspect.
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Merouk Baas
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.23 12:30:00 -
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You will have to define "content" because not only does your definition seem to be different from other EVE players', but the meaning of the word differs from game to game. What exactly are you looking for?
The game is an MMO, you don't have 100% control over when to turn on and turn off "the fun" (whatever it is for you), other players have some control over your fun, too. And yes, this game was made with the idea that devs just build a skeleton, and we populate it and add the meat of the content. CCP was a small company. And they're continuing with that idea for their next game, Dust, although they are making a HUGE mistake in not fixing the bugs and issues with this game (IMO they HAVE to find a way to get to the bottom of the bugs queue, and to raise the priority of issues that have been around for years).
But, anyway, content is hard to create. WoW and the rest of the MMO's have gone the only other way available: the devs generate the content, and the result is that you play for 3-4 months and then quit for a year and a half; you've consumed the content and the devs need time to generate more content for you.
As far as the gameplay being "you destroy what others create", yeah, it's combat. Show me not just MMO's, but RPG's, where the actual gameplay isn't a continuous slaughterfest from level 1 to level whatever. So, yeah, we create and we destroy, but keep in mind two things: we do create (otherwise it wouldn't be there for you to destroy), and what we get from the game is the community and friends (not the pixels - who the heck cares about the pixels).
EVE is not a fast-paced game forever, and it's ok to take a break (like with all other MMO's), though realize that you're taking a break from your friends (if any), not from the pixels.
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Dian'h Might
Minmatar
Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.05.23 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: xenonator
1) mind numbingly boring game play
If all you ever do is grind missions 24/7 and avoid interacting with other players except for in chat and in the forums, then yes, that is boring.
Originally by: xenonator
2) lack of in game content
The content is generated by the players. You joined an alliance that's at war, now you get to avoid the people trying to kill you and/or try to kill them before they kill you. You could even make a deal with them and give them intel on your own corpmates in exchange for them not killing you. If that's not content then I don't know what is.
Originally by: xenonator
3) generational structure, whatever you do will be destroyed by other (way more skilled) bored players (see 2).
Within a month of me playing eve, my corp of 4 other month old players got wardeced by a big group of 2 year+ old players. We won. I've also made new characters, spent a week training them (transferred no isk to them or anything btw) and within a hours of roaming lowsec racked up 6 kills in a frigate vs other much more highly skilled (in SP that is) players.
And if you're really not into blowing stuff up (what were you doing running missions then?), it's easily possible to get a character up and running for t2 invention/production within 30 days or so. If you don't have the isk to buy the skillbooks and materials for the initial production run, then it might take a few months maximum to save it up. Or you could buy some GTCs and sell them ingame to make the same amount within a few days.
Also, because stuff doesn't wear out and break on its own in eve, without people blowing up stuff, there would be no reason to buy stuff more than once and therefore a lot less people could be making stuff.
Originally by: xenonator
4) the only real fun is to download Evemon and plan out your training
Maybe if all you ever do is grind missions 24/7 and avoid interacting with other players except on the forums and in chat. Have you ever played tag IRL? By your posts I'm guessing you maybe only played it once and then started crying as soon as you were tagged and became "it". Anyway, try playing tag with your wartargets. Get a frigate with nanofibers and some warp stabs and keep warping around your system while they try to catch and kill you, you might enjoy it.
As a final point, eve really doesn't seem to be the game for you. Assuming this isn't some sort of elaborate troll I would suggest you find something much more tame, like hello kitty online or peggle. On the off chance that you are trolling, I give you a 9/10 for staying in character and believability.
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xenonator
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Posted - 2010.05.23 22:56:00 -
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As I keep saying, man the quality of these replies on this forum is outstanding. It says something about the player base that is very very positive. It's something that I can see and feel and something that I would like to be part of and these replies do nothing but make we want to log on and get stuck in. But then I log on and..... well what to, what to do.
I've only been a member of my current corp for a short period so I am really not up to speed with what they are about. I do know that they are mainly a mining and industrial corp (I hope I haven't embarrassed you guys too much, you have been very kind so far) but since I have joined they have been under constant wardec. I am guessing but I think that they are trying to get their vision of how they want to play Eve under way and that there are a legion of other Eve players out there that have nothing better to do than destroy what they have created or are trying to create.
My last corp (cute toxic fluffy bunnies) basically imploded when they were moving the components of the corps first POS through hi sec and got ganked randomly (no wardec) and Concord did nothing. We lost everything and all of the corps players just stopped playing. No real point in mentioning that but it is instructive.
I think my point is that all of this just guides you in one direction in the game, buy some cheap frigates and go around and see what you can destroy without getting caught out, a bit like being a teenager in Tottenham.
How would I change it? The most obvious answer and simply implemented would to make the high security areas 0.5 and above completely PVP proof including wardec, smartbombs etc etc, so that if you wish to fight it out with other players then go out to <0.5 else mining or run missions in 0.5>. The only players that would object to this I think would be those generational players that have the advantage and love to destroy what others make.
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Dian'h Might
Minmatar
Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.05.24 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: xenonator
I've only been a member of my current corp for a short period so I am really not up to speed with what they are about. I do know that they are mainly a mining and industrial corp
Did you try asking them? See that flashing tab named "corp"? If you open it up you'll see people talking. Those are called "corpmates", they're you're friends, I would suggest you talk to them and maybe see if they're doing any activities you can go participate in.
Originally by: xenonator
My last corp (cute toxic fluffy bunnies) basically imploded when they were moving the components of the corps first POS through hi sec and got ganked randomly (no wardec) and Concord did nothing. We lost everything and all of the corps players just stopped playing. No real point in mentioning that but it is instructive.
If concord did nothing, then it was because someone had killrights from your hauler pilot taking them out unprovoked, in which case you shouldn't have let that fly a hauler with everything your corp owned in it.
The more likely scenario is that concord did something, just not fast enough to prevent the destruction of the hauler (a suicide gank). These can be prevented by not autopiloting and warping to 0 (plenty of time to scan and gank while it's slowboating to a gate), buffer tanking the hauler (shield tanked itty V is very hard to suicide gank), and spreading the load out over multiple trips or multiple haulers so it's less of a target.
Originally by: xenonator
I think my point is that all of this just guides you in one direction in the game, buy some cheap frigates and go around and see what you can destroy without getting caught out, a bit like being a teenager in Tottenham.
The "buy some cheap frigates" is standard advice for people wanting to get into pvp, nothing more. Remember that someone had to build those "cheap frigates" that people are pvping in.
Originally by: xenonator
How would I change it? The most obvious answer and simply implemented would to make the high security areas 0.5 and above completely PVP proof
You obviously don't "get" eve at all. This isn't "farmvile in space". This is a cold, harsh universe in which the very attraction to it is the fact that there is potential to get blown up anytime, anywhere. If you don't like that, then this game just isn't for you.
Originally by: xenonator
It says something about the player base that is very very positive. It's something that I can see and feel and something that I would like to be part of and these replies do nothing but make we want to log on and get stuck in.
And just FYI, a lot of the people making helpful replies to you also do things like suicide gank haulers, wardec people, etc. You need to understand that the pvp element in this game is rarely personal. Those people didn't blow up your raven because they don't like you and are antisocial, they blew it up because it was a wartarget and therefore something to blow up. It's akin to shooting the other team in a game like counterstrike. Next time you get blown up you should try convoing the person who got you, politely tell them you don't know much about pvp and ask them what you did wrong, you'll be surprised at how many helpful answers you'll get.
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Posted - 2010.05.24 06:09:00 -
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Edited by: Grellek Duval on 24/05/2010 06:10:19
Sorry for your loss OP, but seriously, you had a single bad experience and you're ranting on the forums that the game is broken?
I'm completely with you on the terms that older players have a big advantage (espcially the fact they have more friends, hehe), but you seem to think that your time spent training mining and pve in high sec endowed you with a license to go out and do the same (actually, im not sure what you were looking for) in low/null?
My account (my only account) is only a few weeks old. I've got very, very few in-game contacts who are more than acquaintinces (ie. it wouldn't shock me if they just blew me to bits on a whim). I've also spent nearly half my time thus-far traveling in and around low-sec (haven't ventured to null yet as i'm not quite versed enough in bookmarking and interdiction to feel safe at all). Yea, i've lost shops, half a dozen of them in-fact, and all of them were to pirates. I've been podded twice, but each time I was hit I learned something new. I'm sure i'll be learning those hard lessons for a long time. In the grand scheme of things, however, this is exactly what you went looking for. You don't go out into the wild world of low and null sec to be a safe and snuggly carebear. You go out there to seek adventure, danger, and maybe some profit (if you're lucky). I get most of my income from rather safe/tame trading in empire, but my long term goals are to get out and see the wider world. If that is waht you want, I suggest you get out there, and prepare to loose a lot more ships.
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xenonator
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Posted - 2010.05.24 08:12:00 -
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I think what I am trying to say is this: Eve Online discriminates against new players. There is no level cap (i.e. level 75 maximum)) so you will never catch up with the players that have been playing longer than you. Never ever, ever. Let me say that again,: you will never catch up with them. Eve is generational and whoever played it longest wins, there is no catching up. And those players have nothing to do but destroy what you create (ships, cans, player owned stations etc etc).
I noticed that I have been accused of being a troll in previous postings, I don't think I am although I am not quite sure what a troll is in these terms. I am just raising my disappointments with the game, I did pay my monthly subscription each month for several years and then ask the question: what to do next, can I have some fun here, is this really worth my two monthly subscription fees. Those questions are still open.
Have fun. Cheers. Kev.
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Sophie Telrunya
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Posted - 2010.05.24 08:31:00 -
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Ofcourse you can catch up.
If a veteran friend of mine has maxed out ¦drone skills and mining skills, and I have maxed out drone skills, are his drones stronger than mine?
There is alot of viable stuff that requires little training, for example you can become a top of the line Interceptor pilot in less than 6 months.
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.05.24 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: xenonator
There is no level cap (i.e. level 75 maximum)) so you will never catch up with the players that have been playing longer than you. Never ever, ever. Let me say that again,: you will never catch up with them. Eve is generational and whoever played it longest wins, there is no catching up.
What about the fact that you get 80% of the maximum benefit of a skill in 20% of the training time?
And the fact that there are only a limited number of skills which affect any ship? They can easily be maxed out in a short amount of time.
Older players are more versatile, but ship for ship they don't necessarily have an advantage.
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Avo Daith
Mentors Administration
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Posted - 2010.05.24 09:10:00 -
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Yet another player who just does not get the nature of Eve.
1) Eve is a sandbox. You need to explore and create your own content.
2) Eve is an MMO. Most of the fun lies in interacting with others rather than working solo.
3) The training system is designed to work around specialisms. To specialise in some things is very quick, others very slow. The number of specialisms is virtually limitless. The only real advantage an older player has is more choices. If you are disadvantaged in battle against older players it is because you have spread your training too thin.
4) Bye. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. I'm not playing Eve very much at the moment, mainly because my computer hardware isn't dealing with it so well, but also because the simpler things that I could do with it I'm bored with. I'm not complaining about that. I need to change, not the game.
If you have a sensible suggestion for the improvement of Eve there's a forum for that. This kind of thread is just an infantile tantrum.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.05.24 09:27:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 24/05/2010 09:29:12
Originally by: xenonator
Well chaps, what ever you say about eve online as a game one must admit that the the forums are sharp and vibrant.
I blush at my maths fail, it was late and I was angry, but the October 2007 date was correct which is the important issue. Apologies.
As you may have seen from my earlier post I am quite genuinely trying to find something interesting in game to do and to that end joined a low sec corp to try and find something worthwhile....
But I think my point stands, I lost my T2 fitted Raven to a bunch of jerks in high sec. Now I saw the comments on the triviality of my loss, but to me it was a BIG ****ING DEAL. I sweated blood to get that ship and equipment and I resent its loss. If you don't feel my pain its probably because its generational (i.e you have been playing EVE forever and are way ahead of the curve in terms of skills and ISK). For us noobs (Oct 2007) its still a struggle and we don't appreciate you tossers destroying our ships.
Maybe Eve isn't the game for me? Probably, just trying to determine whether the game has anything that I can connect with before I cancel my accounts. I really, really want to like it but there is so little to love. It is everything that Elite, Freelance, Privateer, X2 should be but in reality it's a bunch of entrenched players that feed off of the less skilled. The basic problem is that in the absence of real in game content the only thing for legacy players to do in game is destroy what less skilled players have created and thus you have a generational game.
What's easier? Create something or destroy someone elses? Therein lies the problem. Cheers. Kev.
PS hint: destroy someone elses
The fact that losing stuff hurts so much is exactly what makes Eve a great game.
There can never be true success without the possibility of failure, and Eve's devs understand this.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Dian'h Might
Minmatar
Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.05.24 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: xenonator
There is no level cap (i.e. level 75 maximum)) so you will never catch up with the players that have been playing longer than you
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Eve is generational and whoever played it longest wins, there is no catching up. And those players have nothing to do but destroy what you create (ships, cans, player owned stations etc etc)
I don't know how many times you need to be told this before you finally get it through your head, but what you're claiming simply isn't true. I've given you the example of when I first started playing eve and my corp of month old players successfully repelled wardecs from much older players, just because we played smarter than them. There have also been several videos people have made of themselves pvping with very very low skilled characters (under a months worth of training) and doing quite well, such as this one and this one. It's also very possible for you to be doing t2 production within a month or so of training, especially with a corp to help you out and the "mucho isk" you claimed to have amassed from missioning in your other thread.
Originally by: xenonator
I did pay my monthly subscription each month for several years and then ask the question: what to do next, can I have some fun here, is this really worth my two monthly subscription fees.
No, with the attitude, expectations, and thinking skills you've displayed so far, I really think this really isn't the game for you. There's nothing wrong with that. You'll save yourself (and the forums here) a lot of headache if you go find a tamer game.
Originally by: xenonator
Those questions are still open.
I believe most of those questions were already answered in your other thread, as well as in this thread.
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Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.05.24 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: Zartrader on 24/05/2010 11:25:24
Op, you are still falling for the same false assumptions many new players fall for:
1. You can't catch up. Think about how the skill system works, this is simply not true.
2. Trained skills wins. No, they give an advantage which a smart player can overcome, there are thousands of examples of players doing that. It takes little time to catch up with the most experienced players.
3. Content will be given to you. No, you have to find it and work at it and you have to deserve to have it, it's not free from effort. No one owes you a living, EVE is not welfare in space. Others pay for the game too and have every right to play how they wish. I do not have a fraction of the time I need to do all I want.
4. The only way to make ISK is mine and mission. Wrong.
5. Being ganked is another players fault. Wrong, if you got ganked and lost more than you could afford that was your fault. I have been suicide ganked, it was fine as I never carry too much. If I want to be safe all the time I'll play another game and that will be boring for me. I like risk avoidance, it's fun.
Everything boils down to you blaming others rather than you blaming yourself for not doing basic research on how this game works. In EVE if you play the victim you will be a victim.
My best advise to you is to see how other mindsets works and how characters a few days old can have a blast. Roll up an alt and spend a few days out of your mains training so it can fly a rifter. Then join your alt to Red v Blue
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Chiana Moro
Dark Shadow Industries
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Posted - 2010.05.24 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: Chiana Moro on 24/05/2010 11:34:43
Originally by: Riedle
Edited by: Riedle on 13/05/2010 16:46:14
He joined a corp in Primary. which was obviously deced by the privateers and got ganked. lols
link
not much of a loss mail at all really. lol
What - he joins a corp in a null sec alliance and complains about getting ganked?
The world of Eve is weird indeed (who lost a Hound in null yesterday, but her main revenged it)
Oh and OP forgot
5) You need a purpose in a sandbox game, and I couldn't be arsed to find one.
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Baneken
Gallente
Aseveljet
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Posted - 2010.05.24 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: xenonator
I am guessing but I think that they are trying to get their vision of how they want to play Eve under way and that there are a legion of other Eve players out there that have nothing better to do than destroy what they have created or are trying to create.
You still don't get it, do you ?
Privateers are mercs and they get paid billions for shooting other people in high sec (hence the wardecing your alliance).
That means someone else is buying them to shoot you and personally they don't give a damn about you or alliance, it's just a job after all.
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Tarhim
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.25 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: xenonator
I think what I am trying to say is this: Eve Online discriminates against new players. There is no level cap (i.e. level 75 maximum)) so you will never catch up with the players that have been playing longer than you.
In terms of skillpoints, probably no. So what?
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But I think my point stands, I lost my T2 fitted Raven to a bunch of jerks in high sec. Now I saw the comments on the triviality of my loss, but to me it was a BIG ****ING DEAL. I sweated blood to get that ship and equipment and I resent its loss.
You lost it through your own damn fault. And blood, really? It was worth what, five missions?
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If you don't feel my pain its probably because its generational (i.e you have been playing EVE forever and are way ahead of the curve in terms of skills and ISK). For us noobs (Oct 2007) its still a struggle and we don't appreciate you tossers destroying our ships.
Puh-leeze. I only play since Nov 2009. Its not playtime, its your attitude. For example, I managed to lose four drakes last week. Should I be angry about it? If so, why?
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Smartus Maximus
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.05.25 16:39:00 -
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Ohai, my name is Smartus Maximus and I started playing from September, 2009. I can safely say that I am better in every possible way in the game than Xenonator (trust me, this is not even boasting) except skillpoints. This is just to show that character age means ****.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar
Blacklight Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.05.25 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: xenonator
I think what I am trying to say is this: Eve Online discriminates against new players. There is no level cap (i.e. level 75 maximum)) so you will never catch up with the players that have been playing longer than you. Never ever, ever. Let me say that again,: you will never catch up with them. Eve is generational and whoever played it longest wins, there is no catching up. And those players have nothing to do but destroy what you create (ships, cans, player owned stations etc etc).
I noticed that I have been accused of being a troll in previous postings, I don't think I am although I am not quite sure what a troll is in these terms. I am just raising my disappointments with the game, I did pay my monthly subscription each month for several years and then ask the question: what to do next, can I have some fun here, is this really worth my two monthly subscription fees. Those questions are still open.
Have fun. Cheers. Kev.
I'm a new player...your NUTZ! 
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Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
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Posted - 2010.05.25 18:29:00 -
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Can I have your stuff?
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Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
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Posted - 2010.05.25 18:47:00 -
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Edited by: Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts on 25/05/2010 18:47:25
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ow would I change it? The most obvious answer and simply implemented would to make the high security areas 0.5 and above completely PVP proof including wardec, smartbombs etc etc, so that if you wish to fight it out with other players then go out to <0.5 else mining or run missions in 0.5>. The only players that would object to this I think would be those generational players that have the advantage and love to destroy what others make.
Shiiiiiiiit... OP be trollin.
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Zaqar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.05.26 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: xenonator
noticed that I have been accused of being a troll in previous postings, I don't think I am although I am not quite sure what a troll is in these terms.
Someone who posts just to get a reaction out of others.
You've come on the forums of a 7 year-old game, and suggested that the rules be completely re-written just so you don't have to play it.
You can't be serious, therefore you are trolling. The End.
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Cipher7
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.05.27 11:49:00 -
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- Fly ONLY what you can afford to lose
If you want to have fun in Eve :
1) Do all activity in a group
2) Use voice comms
3) Don't run missions
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