| Pages: 1 2 3 :: [one page] |
|
|
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Sasha Krah'n
   |
Posted - 2010.05.13 22:32:00 -
[1]
All,
We'd like to let the EVE community preview a project that we started 3 weeks ago. The idea is a league that will have several seasons throughout the year. The objective of the season will be to see which team will get the most kills/points versus the designated target corp(s)/alliance(s).
Eve Predator League
(The website was developed in MS Silverlight, so you will need to install the plugin if you do not have it. It is Microsoft's competitor to Adobe Flash. The reason we chose this platform is its ability to connect directly to a database and its visuals.)
Each team will have a restricted member limit -- we're thinking 10 at first. These teams will join the alliance to participate in the war/season for the duration of the hunt. Once the season is over, the points are tallied and the prizes are distributed. I'll just stop here so that I don't duplicate information that you read on our website. We want to hear your thoughts and/or ideas. The website is obviously not complete but we're at a point to start receving feedback. Don't worry, we're not totally set on the name of the league yet.
Thanks
|
Legs Mackenzie
|
Posted - 2010.05.13 22:35:00 -
[2]
 Originally by: Sasha Krah'n
(The website was developed in MS Silverlight, so you will need to install the plugin if you do not have it.....
No.
|
Owen Drakkar
Terra Nostra
|
Posted - 2010.05.13 22:37:00 -
[3]
IMO Alien did it better.
|
ElJo123
Accompanied By Unicorns
|
Posted - 2010.05.13 23:11:00 -
[4]
Originally by: Sasha Krah'n
The reason we chose this platform is its ability to connect directly to a database and its visuals.
No.
|
Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2010.05.13 23:14:00 -
[5]
Originally by: Legs Mackenzie
Originally by: Sasha Krah'n
(The website was developed in MS Silverlight, so you will need to install the plugin if you do not have it.....
No.
My sentiments exactly.
Slade
:Signature Temporarily Disabled: |
Ex0101
|
Posted - 2010.05.13 23:38:00 -
[6]
How do you intend to stop teams coordinating agreements to fix kill counts etc for prizes?
--
|
Gundore
|
Posted - 2010.05.13 23:43:00 -
[7]
lol, unless everyone that is replaying to this is still using linux, your not going to have much of a choice pretty soon. Considering EVERYTHING is going to Silverlight faster than any technology ever has moved. Lets see.. bing maps, Netflix, Olympics Official streaming site, ESRI GIS (one of the worlds largest GIS data distrubutions, Preinstalled on all Nokia phone. Pretty soon, it will already be embedded in your browser, so if you are using Windows, so your going to get it anyways. :)
But of course Sasha, you might have to wait for all the 'wannabe' technology experts to post their dumb comments with no reasons behind it (which they really have none anyways), before you can get some any quality comments.
Good work!
|
Sasha Krah'n
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 00:09:00 -
[8]
Ah! Thank you for fielding the initial posts for me, Gundore. I was going to reassure everyone that we did not develop the Silverlight plug-in. Sure as hell wish we could take credit for it, but we can't. :)
Silverlight is currently installed on about 60% of all internet connected devices....roughly. I understand the anti-tech/anti-microsoft mentality but the benefit that it brings to our development environment and presentation is huge.
Ex0101: In regards to teams forming mini-alliances.
To address this type of issue will require a few pilot seasons to see if this would pan out to be a problem. If teams are coordinating with each other to fix kills, they actually just end up reducing their respective team's score. We don't want to discourage teams from working together, but ultimately one will have to get more kills than the other to win. Think of how the TV show 'Survivor' works.
In the scenario of two teams working together to bolster only one team's score, they would pay double the entry fees and halve the prize money. So it really wouldn't make sense to do this unless they were just in it for the pride. I'm not saying this won't happen, but we can always investigate/look at team performance histories to find out if such activity is detrimental to the competition. Again, this kind of thing requires trial and error.
Again, thank you Gundore. :)
|
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 00:13:00 -
[9]
Originally by: Gundore
lol, unless everyone that is replying to this is still using linux
Hi, I'm using linux with google chrome atm.
So I'll just hop in with "No" as well :)
|
Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Gith Industries
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 00:38:00 -
[10]
Originally by: Sasha Krah'n
MS Silverlight
Never
Vote Abstain - Let YOUR voice be heard.
(Not Theirs) |
|
|
Sasha Krah'n
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 00:41:00 -
[11]
chatgris: Open source implementation of Microsoft Silverlight for Linux
http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page
You're in luck...it's called Moonlight.
I believe Moonlight can support Silverlight version 2.0. We are currently developing in 3.0 but I don't think we're using anything that 2.0 can't handle. If you click the "Learn More" under Moonlight, you'll see all of the install info.
I understand we're going to lose a few people initially because of our choice of technology. This is not a major concern considering Silverlight's rapid growth...
|
Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 00:45:00 -
[12]
Originally by: Legs Mackenzie
Originally by: Sasha Krah'n
(The website was developed in MS Silverlight, so you will need to install the plugin if you do not have it.....
No.
-----------
I think, therefore I'm single.
Want to learn combat/PVP?
Alliance creation service |
Legs Mackenzie
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 00:45:00 -
[13]
Do you work for Microsoft or something?
I prefer open standards myself, inferior as they may be.
|
Sasha Krah'n
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 00:51:00 -
[14]
Originally by: Legs Mackenzie
Do you work for Microsoft or something?
I prefer open standards myself, inferior as they may be.
Nope. I just see the potential for this particular technology and I enjoy developing in it.
|
Datdaar Vanmestvaalt
Gallente
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 00:56:00 -
[15]
MS Silverlight plugin....mmmm......
Makes the site unusable in the in game browser.
That means I will not visit it.
Sign on the dotted line:............. |
Analia Hlena
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 01:09:00 -
[16]
Tis a good thing that is giving something TO the eve community instead of taking from it, otherwise I would be offended by the 'no'. Unfortuatly, we aren't selling something that is going to make us isk and asking you to buy into it (in fact, it's going to cost us alot of isk, not to mention all the time in development), so to those that say NO because of either their choice of OS and Browser doesn't support the latest internet technologies or perhaps you have some personal agenda with MS technologies that you just can't get over, then all I got say is, "Wish you could join in the fun!".
And no, we don't work for Microsoft, but I have been a professional developer since 1997 and have done projects for major compainies such as Wal-Mart, Tyson Foods, Gerber and several others. Lucky for me, these multi-billion dollar companies feel more comfortable with microsoft technologies then some of you. :) Otherwise, I might not still have a job.
Anways, this isn't about technology war. I really don't care if a person chooses not to partake because of some personal problem with certain technologies (I use all technologies myself, each has their own pros and cons and I feel it's silly to limit yourself) . But anyways, we are here to create some challenges and tourney play in Eve, those that can come aboard are those we look forward to hearing from.
Feel free to contact me ingame as well for more information.
|
Paknac Queltel
Standards and Practices
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 01:33:00 -
[17]
Why Silverlight just for some visuals and database queries? Javascript can do such stuff with ease. Consider that an ever growing number of people are using their cell phones and stuff to access the web. Both the iPhone and its unwisely named larger cousin will likely never allow Flash or Silver/Moonlight unjailbroken, if at all. The Palm Pre I'm writing this on currently also doesn't have Moonlight, nor will I ever install it, should it become available.
Silverlight is not the right tool for this job. But hey, it's your project, feel free to use whatever you want.
-
Paknac Queltel
|
Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 01:35:00 -
[18]
Hopping on the no bandwagon..
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Get off the forums and go kill someone!
A vote for Cat will be just as effective as his voice will be for you! lol |
Legende
Two Brothers Mining Corp.
R.A.G.E
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 01:53:00 -
[19]
I wonder if all these people so eager to put down Silverlight are aware of how insecure and unstable Adobe Flash is... granted linux and osx users are left out of the loop currently, but there seems to be a general "screw silverlight, go flash!" mentality when it comes to these things. I think Jobs was quoted saying flash was responsible for some ungodly high number of safari crashes under osx... go flash indeed.
That said, silverlight is a flash replacement... and I've always hated sites made entirely out of flash and the same holds true for silverlight.
I really like the concept of this league, I will be keeping a closer eye on it.
|
Sasha Krah'n
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 01:59:00 -
[20]
Originally by: Zeba
Hopping on the no bandwagon..
I realize not everyone reads the entire thread before posting. Let me be as clear as possible about this "bandwagon" against Silverlight. We could not care less about how you feel towards a certain technology. Obviously, you do not fall into our target audience. Unfortunately, you just limit your ability to participate.
Paknac Queltel:
Silverlight is the perfect technology for this project. This is what we're interested in as leading technology developers and this is what helps us stick to our goals. We're not worried about whether or not you can see the website from your ipad (or in-game). The only thing the site does is keep track of the scoring and displays it for everybody (correction, Silverlight users) along with other league information.
We're wanting input on the actual idea, not the pretty pictures.
|
|
|
Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 02:11:00 -
[21]
Originally by: Sasha Krah'n
Originally by: Zeba
Hopping on the no bandwagon..
I realize not everyone reads the entire thread before posting. Let me be as clear as possible about this "bandwagon" against Silverlight. We could not care less about how you feel towards a certain technology. Obviously, you do not fall into our target audience. Unfortunately, you just limit your ability to participate.
Paknac Queltel:
Silverlight is the perfect technology for this project. This is what we're interested in as leading technology developers and this is what helps us stick to our goals. We're not worried about whether or not you can see the website from your ipad (or in-game). The only thing the site does is keep track of the scoring and displays it for everybody (correction, Silverlight users) along with other league information.
We're wanting input on the actual idea, not the pretty pictures.
I have the silverlight plugin because I have netflix and it wants to install it to use the ****ing site. Its utter ****ing crap that crashes my browser at every oppourtunity. ****, your site crashed the first time I clicked on it. Flash might be a bit insecure for stupid users but at least its hella stable.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Get off the forums and go kill someone!
A vote for Cat will be just as effective as his voice will be for you! lol |
Sasha Krah'n
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 03:05:00 -
[22]
Originally by: Legende
I wonder if all these people so eager to put down Silverlight are aware of how insecure and unstable Adobe Flash is... granted linux and osx users are left out of the loop currently, but there seems to be a general "screw silverlight, go flash!" mentality when it comes to these things. I think Jobs was quoted saying flash was responsible for some ungodly high number of safari crashes under osx... go flash indeed.
That said, silverlight is a flash replacement... and I've always hated sites made entirely out of flash and the same holds true for silverlight.
I really like the concept of this league, I will be keeping a closer eye on it.
Thank you. We're really glad that you like the concept. This makes the forum gauntlet worth it.
|
Sasha Krah'n
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 03:11:00 -
[23]
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Sasha Krah'n
Originally by: Zeba
Hopping on the no bandwagon..
I realize not everyone reads the entire thread before posting. Let me be as clear as possible about this "bandwagon" against Silverlight. We could not care less about how you feel towards a certain technology. Obviously, you do not fall into our target audience. Unfortunately, you just limit your ability to participate.
Paknac Queltel:
Silverlight is the perfect technology for this project. This is what we're interested in as leading technology developers and this is what helps us stick to our goals. We're not worried about whether or not you can see the website from your ipad (or in-game). The only thing the site does is keep track of the scoring and displays it for everybody (correction, Silverlight users) along with other league information.
We're wanting input on the actual idea, not the pretty pictures.
I have the silverlight plugin because I have netflix and it wants to install it to use the ****ing site. Its utter ****ing crap that crashes my browser at every oppourtunity. ****, your site crashed the first time I clicked on it. Flash might be a bit insecure for stupid users but at least its hella stable.
Hmm, that's odd. We've used hundreds of Silverlight applications and seen hundreds of Netflix movies with absolutely no issues whatsoever...along with millions of other users. Think maybe it might be your machine? :)
Malwarebytes
Here's a good, free virus scanner. :)
|
Ruby Udders
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 03:37:00 -
[24]
Edited by: Ruby Udders on 14/05/2010 03:37:42
Would love to visit your site but am unfortunately allergic to vendor lock-in.
Also:
Originally by: Legs Mackenzie
I prefer open standards myself, inferior as they may be.
Be safe, be cynical |
Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
Spreadsheets Online
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 03:46:00 -
[25]
Quote:
The website was developed in MS Silverlight,
laughinggirls.gif
Enjoy your Microsoft enslavement.
------------------------
To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe.
------------------------
Life sucks and then you get podded. |
Sasha Krah'n
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 03:46:00 -
[26]
Originally by: Ruby Udders
Edited by: Ruby Udders on 14/05/2010 03:37:42
Would love to visit your site but am unfortunately allergic to vendor lock-in.
Also:
Originally by: Legs Mackenzie
I prefer open standards myself, inferior as they may be.
This forum itself is developed with Microsoft technology known as Active Server Pages (.asp).
Wiki ASP
Also, this may help you apply vendor lock-in to appropriate scenarios...
Wiki Vendor Lock-In
|
Frost Wolf
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 04:05:00 -
[27]
Sounds interesting. Keep fighting those Linux Trolls Sasha.
|
Analia Hlena
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 04:09:00 -
[28]
Originally by: Frost Wolf
Sounds interesting. Keep fighting those Linux Trolls Sasha.
lol, well.. I'm trying to keep outa it myself. But, it amazes me how the linux hippies feel the need to carry on a 15 year old battle. Thanks for the compliment.
|
Sasha Krah'n
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 04:15:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Frost Wolf
Sounds interesting. Keep fighting those Linux Trolls Sasha.
lol thanks, it hasn't been difficult so far. the posts are mostly quantity rather than quality. :)
|
Terro Deagas
GZS-R Minmatar Fleet
The ENTITY.
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 04:20:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Sasha Krah'n
Originally by: Ruby Udders
Edited by: Ruby Udders on 14/05/2010 03:37:42
Would love to visit your site but am unfortunately allergic to vendor lock-in.
Also:
Originally by: Legs Mackenzie
I prefer open standards myself, inferior as they may be.
This forum itself is developed with Microsoft technology known as Active Server Pages (.asp).
Wiki ASP
Also, this may help you apply vendor lock-in to appropriate scenarios...
Wiki Vendor Lock-In
And these forums are widely regarded as the poorest ever made
|
|
|
Ruby Udders
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 04:56:00 -
[31]
Edited by: Ruby Udders on 14/05/2010 05:00:45
Originally by: Sasha Krah'n
Originally by: Ruby Udders
Edited by: Ruby Udders on 14/05/2010 03:37:42
Would love to visit your site but am unfortunately allergic to vendor lock-in.
Also:
Originally by: Legs Mackenzie
I prefer open standards myself, inferior as they may be.
This forum itself is developed with Microsoft technology known as Active Server Pages (.asp).
Wiki ASP
Also, this may help you apply vendor lock-in to appropriate scenarios...
Wiki Vendor Lock-In
Now.. I might not be an "expert".. but in this particular case, isn't asp a serverside language? As in, requiring no installation on my PC bar a cookie or two?
And thank you for the links, they were most informative.
PS. Please support open standards. It will make the internet so much easier for all of us. Thanks!
Be safe, be cynical |
Sasha Krah'n
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 04:56:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Terro Deagas
Originally by: Sasha Krah'n
Originally by: Ruby Udders
Edited by: Ruby Udders on 14/05/2010 03:37:42
Would love to visit your site but am unfortunately allergic to vendor lock-in.
Also:
Originally by: Legs Mackenzie
I prefer open standards myself, inferior as they may be.
This forum itself is developed with Microsoft technology known as Active Server Pages (.asp).
Wiki ASP
Also, this may help you apply vendor lock-in to appropriate scenarios...
Wiki Vendor Lock-In
And these forums are widely regarded as the poorest ever made
That's really more of a jab at the developer of the forum rather than the technology used, don't you think? Do you not like when you post a comment, it shows up on the page afterward? Is this not to your satisfaction? Apparently I have missed this "widely regarded" opinion poll about the EVE forum code-behind. Maybe you can point me in the direction of these statistics. I'm pretty certain you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a site developed using PHP versus one with ASP.
|
Sasha Krah'n
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 05:18:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Ruby Udders
Originally by: Sasha Krah'n
Originally by: Ruby Udders
Edited by: Ruby Udders on 14/05/2010 03:37:42
Would love to visit your site but am unfortunately allergic to vendor lock-in.
Also:
Originally by: Legs Mackenzie
I prefer open standards myself, inferior as they may be.
This forum itself is developed with Microsoft technology known as Active Server Pages (.asp).
Wiki ASP
Also, this may help you apply vendor lock-in to appropriate scenarios...
Wiki Vendor Lock-In
Now.. I might not be an "expert".. but in this particlar case, isn't asp a serverside language? As in, requiring no installation on my PC bar a cookie or two?
And thank you for the links, they were most informative.
PS. Please support open standards. It will make the internet so much easier for all of us. Thanks!
*sigh* The reference to ASP was to point out the fact that he/she was able to partake in this horribly off-topic discussion through the use of Microsoft technologies. I see you have read the first section of the ASP Wiki and posted a synopsis here. Adobe flash requires installation exactly the same way Silverlight does. Java-based web applications require the Java Runtime Environment to be installed. I'm pretty sure you've used at least of those technologies before.
I'm not against open standards in any way. I just think it to be asinine to blindly reject ANYTHING based on ignorance. It's free, vendor lock-in doesn't even apply, and Moonlight is open source. Why are we still discussing the technology used instead of the actual idea?
|
Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
Spreadsheets Online
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 15:43:00 -
[34]
Quote:
I'm not against open standards in any way.
Using silverlight and saying asp is good. Yep you are.
Quote:
I just think it to be asinine to blindly reject ANYTHING based on ignorance.
wait a sec... that's exactly what you're doing.
Quote:
It's free, vendor lock-in doesn't even apply, and Moonlight is open source. Why are we still discussing the technology used instead of the actual idea?
Actually being FREE AS IN BEER is entirely possible for vendor lockin. Which is exactly what silverlight/moonlight is.
Furthermore Miguel there from Novell, the guy behind mono and moonlight, openly admits that microsoft is keeping their whole package from .net to silverlight riddled with patents and licenses for the sole reason to lock people into microsoft and have full control over their ventures.
Quote:
Considering EVERYTHING is going to Silverlight faster than any technology ever has moved.
Not really. Flash is still dominant and html5 is the next step. silverlight wont be touched.
Quote:
Silverlight is currently installed on about 60% of all internet connected devices....roughly.
Actually no. The current statistics show silverlight to be about 25%. Only 15% or so version 2. The rest version 1.
That's actual endusers. If you were to add in "all internet connected devices" such as all those cisco and juniper routers... you are probably closer to 1% then. Sorry but you are so wrong it's a joke.
------------------------
To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe.
------------------------
Life sucks and then you get podded. |
Daemonspirit
Redhawk Tribal Trust
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 16:04:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Daemonspirit on 14/05/2010 16:05:15
Originally by: Sasha Krah'n
lol thanks, it hasn't been difficult so far. the posts are mostly quantity rather than quality. :)
I still have a grudge against MS for stealing windows from Apple... Yeah, I'm that old. And yes, these forums stink, but they're what we're stuck with...
ôEveryone has a right to be stupid; some people just abuse the privilege.ö |
Analia Hlena
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 16:09:00 -
[36]
Don't ya just love when the TROLLS hit the forums. Should we start another thread? Rename this one to 'Which Technology is better?'. It just amazes me how people will take a post and use it to for their own agenda to clog up a thread rather than let those who do find interested in what was initially posted have a say. Pretty sad.. simply put, you don't like the technology, don't participate. You must think we care, but.. we really don't.
|
Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network
Dignitas.
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 16:17:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Sasha Krah'n
(The website was developed in MS Silverlight, so you will need to install the plugin if you do not have it. It is Microsoft's competitor to Adobe Flash. The reason we chose this platform is its ability to connect directly to a database and its visuals.)
As said before, that is fail. Flash can do pretty amazing stuff too, so I heard.
________________________
Let's build a superpower. |
Steve Celeste
Caldari
Inglorious-Basterds
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 16:37:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Sasha Krah'n
The objective of the season will be to see which team will get the most kills/points versus the designated target corp(s)/alliance(s).
Good, you are it.
|
Analia Hlena
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 16:39:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Dan O'Connor
Originally by: Sasha Krah'n
(The website was developed in MS Silverlight, so you will need to install the plugin if you do not have it. It is Microsoft's competitor to Adobe Flash. The reason we chose this platform is its ability to connect directly to a database and its visuals.)
As said before, that is fail. Flash can do pretty amazing stuff too, so I heard.
Just fail for you. Last I seen EveMon was the number #1 third party application (along with EFT) used in EVE and it's written in C# under the .net platform (Microsoft Technology if you don't know), so.. tbh, I think the trolls here are doing nothing more than showing the 'race' card soley to gain attention and don't represent much of the EVE community. The whole site is written using WCF services accessing SQLServer, if you want access to the service endpoints to develope your own flash version, just let me know and I will see what can be done. I've done alot of flash and Flex (and still do from time to time) and with Silverlight 4 coming out, the features just don't compare when it comes to what "I" want to do with the web. As far as HTML5 goes, if you count new elements such as audio, video and a 2D canvas to have anything close to what is capable in both flash and silverlight, then you really don't know much about both those technologies. HTML5 might catch up one day, but they are FAR from it.
|
Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network
Dignitas.
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 16:43:00 -
[40]
Edited by: Dan O''Connor on 14/05/2010 16:45:16
Originally by: Analia Hlena
Originally by: Dan O'Connor
Originally by: Sasha Krah'n
(The website was developed in MS Silverlight, so you will need to install the plugin if you do not have it. It is Microsoft's competitor to Adobe Flash. The reason we chose this platform is its ability to connect directly to a database and its visuals.)
As said before, that is fail. Flash can do pretty amazing stuff too, so I heard.
Just fail for you. Last I seen EveMon was the number #1 third party application (along with EFT) used in EVE and it's written in C# under the .net platform (Microsoft Technology if you don't know), so.. tbh, I think the trolls here are doing nothing more than showing the 'race' card soley to gain attention and don't represent much of the EVE community. The whole site is written using WCF services accessing SQLServer, if you want access to the service endpoints to develope your own flash version, just let me know and I will see what can be done. I've done alot of flash and Flex (and still do from time to time) and with Silverlight 4 coming out, the features just don't compare when it comes to what "I" want to do with the web. As far as HTML5 goes, if you count new elements such as audio, video and a 2D canvas to have anything close to what is capable in both flash and silverlight, then you really don't know much about both those technologies. HTML5 might catch up one day, but they are FAR from it.
This was also said before: enjoy your beautiful Vendor Lock-In (aka Proprietary Lock-In). 
I don't really care what you've done or not - Silverlight is no Flash, and I'm not going to install it. Might also have to do with the fact that I'm not the greatest Microsoft slave.
NINJA SALVAGE EDIT
And just because I said "fail" does not mean you have to vent your anger at me and others not using Silverlight on me.
________________________
Let's build a superpower. |
|
|
el caido
School of Applied Knowledge
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 16:49:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Gundore
bing maps
No.
Originally by: Gundore
Netflix
No.
Originally by: Gundore
Olympics Official streaming site
No.
Originally by: Gundore
ESRI GIS
WTF no.
Originally by: Gundore
Nokia phone
No.
Originally by: Gundore
embedded in your browser
No.
Originally by: Gundore
so your going to get it anyways
No.
Good luck on your league thing.
|
Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 16:53:00 -
[42]
Edited by: Blane Xero on 14/05/2010 16:56:08
Bleh, Nvm.
_____________________________________
Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout
:facepalm:
|
Daemonspirit
Redhawk Tribal Trust
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 16:54:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Analia Hlena
Don't ya just love when the TROLLS hit the forums. Should we start another thread? Rename this one to 'Which Technology is better?'. It just amazes me how people will take a post and use it to for their own agenda to clog up a thread rather than let those who do find interested in what was initially posted have a say. Pretty sad.. simply put, you don't like the technology, don't participate. You must think we care, but.. we really don't.
Welcome to the Eve Forums...
ôEveryone has a right to be stupid; some people just abuse the privilege.ö |
Killer Gandry
Caldari
TerraNovae
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 16:55:00 -
[44]
Get a Chribba endorsement and I might consider.
Till then it's a no for me.
Reasons can be found in several replies before me.
The League concept sounds interesting, but I am one of those very very cautious people when it comes to install plugin's
|
yakamuri zelda
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 17:11:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Sasha Krah'n
(The website was developed in MS Silverlight, so you will need to install the plugin if you do not have it. It is Microsoft's competitor to Adobe Flash. The reason we chose this platform is its ability to connect directly to a database and its visuals.)
No.
|
Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network
Dignitas.
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 17:18:00 -
[46]
Originally by: yakamuri zelda
Originally by: Sasha Krah'n
(The website was developed in MS Silverlight, so you will need to install the plugin if you do not have it. It is Microsoft's competitor to Adobe Flash. The reason we chose this platform is its ability to connect directly to a database and its visuals.)
No.
Originally by: Analia Hlena
Just fail for you.
As we have seen with the screenshot above, I wonder who fails.
________________________
Let's build a superpower. |
arbiter reformed
Minmatar
The Waiting Room.
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 17:20:00 -
[47]
Edited by: arbiter reformed on 14/05/2010 17:21:54
jesus, the fail lvl is just too high.
not to mention its a really badly designed website,
|
Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 17:31:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Killer Gandry
Get a Chribba endorsement and I might consider.
Till then it's a no for me.
Reasons can be found in several replies before me.
The League concept sounds interesting, but I am one of those very very cautious people when it comes to install plugin's
Exactly. Many of us may play computer games, but many of us also no jack shiet when it comes to random named programs, that we have never heard of, and some player, who "we" have no clue who they are, coming onto the forums and saying,
"hey lets have some fun with our new and ingenous game idea that we have for the pilots of EVE. But the stickler is you have no option to participate unless you download (insert random named program here) to participate."
Maybe if you had come in and explained what the program was, how it is not malicious, and let us know who you are, and we may have been less, how can I say it, negative. Considering most of the negative replies were simple nays and not true troll posts I think the whining about our response is unjustified 
Slade
:Signature Temporarily Disabled: |
Ceraci
Superjail
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 17:45:00 -
[49]
Quote:
I'll just stop here so that I don't duplicate information that you read on our website.
You cannot expect people to install something they do not currently need just so that they can go to your website and find out if they think your idea is sh*t or not. Technology is irrelevant, you've gathered yourself alot of bad feeling in this thread. Good luck. 
|
Paknac Queltel
Standards and Practices
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 17:59:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Sasha Krah'n
Paknac Queltel:
Silverlight is the perfect technology for this project. This is what we're interested in as leading technology developers and this is what helps us stick to our goals. We're not worried about whether or not you can see the website from your ipad (or in-game). The only thing the site does is keep track of the scoring and displays it for everybody (correction, Silverlight users) along with other league information.
Silverlight is for rich media and stuff. It's basicly Flash for serious business. There is nothing your Silverlight app does that Javascript can't do just as well. You mentioned WCF in this thread. Javascript has no problem calling into WCF Services. If you have to use Microsoft (which, by this point, is pretty much unavoidable), ASP.NET with Ajax is the right tool to use for this. As I said, you're free to use whatever tool you want for your projects. Silverlight's still the wrong tool.
Originally by: Sasha Krah'n
We're wanting input on the actual idea, not the pretty pictures.
The idea itself is fairly interesting. I can tell you right now that I (and judging from this thread, many others) won't partake if I need a Silverlight-enabled browser to check how things are going.
-
Paknac Queltel
|
|
|
Analia Hlena
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 18:00:00 -
[51]
"But the stickler is you have no option to participate unless you download (insert random named program here) to participate."
Neither I or Sasha has said this, in fact.. if you read above we mentioned that the site only contains information about the league and shows the leader scoreboard. Most of the site is dedicated to admin functionalities of automating the Killmail API parsing, the team/target entry system, etc. We have even pondered the idea of an ingame browser view of the league status. We gave a synopsis of the direction of the events but directed those to the site if they wanted more information. And, yes.. 'no' is first of all..an attempt to troll. Noone asked anyone directly if they wanted to participate (athough they felt as if they needed to spend the time to say 'no' anyways for whatever reason), but rather if they had interest that ideas and discussion would be heard. A 'No I won't install the plugin to view the site but if you could post more details about the league', would be an acceptable reply to the OP request and not appear as a blantent troll to start an arguement about something completely non-related to the post itself. People who have no interest in something definitly has a problem with moving down to the next thread. Most of the names here you can search and you can see a consistant path in their mentality.
|
Bearstronaut
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 18:05:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Ceraci
Quote:
I'll just stop here so that I don't duplicate information that you read on our website.
You cannot expect people to install something they do not currently need just so that they can go to your website and find out if they think your idea is sh*t or not. Technology is irrelevant, you've gathered yourself alot of bad feeling in this thread. Good luck.
Well that's just disingenuous. Technology is irrelevant but there are apparently expectations for what should or should not be installed? And better yet, it can cause alot of bad feelings? Sounds like the technology used isn't irrelevant, or else there wouldn't have been a wash of arm-chair developers thread-jacking for the sake of being open source zealots.
And hey, you know how you can see if their idea is shcrap or not? Maybe try writing a post ASKING THEM QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EVENT rather than writing posts saying that their technology choices are bad, mkay?
|
Caelum Dominus
Genos Occidere
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 18:07:00 -
[53]
I can see no reason for choosing Silverlight over HTML for this website.
|
Paknac Queltel
Standards and Practices
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 18:36:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Analia Hlena
Most of the site is dedicated to admin functionalities of automating the Killmail API parsing, the team/target entry system, etc.
Er, yeah, about that... I know this is a demo app and all, but I do hope you'll move admin login verification to the server-side before you deploy something that functions. Silverlight is easily decompiled.
>.>
*Paknac jiggles the e's in the app's logo again to look at the admin panel placeholder*
-
Paknac Queltel
|
Analia Hlena
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 18:57:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Paknac Queltel
Originally by: Analia Hlena
Most of the site is dedicated to admin functionalities of automating the Killmail API parsing, the team/target entry system, etc.
Er, yeah, about that... I know this is a demo app and all, but I do hope you'll move admin login verification to the server-side before you deploy something that functions. Silverlight is easily decompiled.
>.>
*Paknac jiggles the e's in the app's logo again to look at the admin panel placeholder*
All Binaries are easily decompiled.. holds true for Flash, Flex.. Silverlight, Java Binaries.. etc And no, admin login verification, which isn't published is not binary encoded in the application. Who the hell does that anyways??
|
Paknac Queltel
Standards and Practices
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 19:20:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Analia Hlena
Originally by: Paknac Queltel
Originally by: Analia Hlena
Most of the site is dedicated to admin functionalities of automating the Killmail API parsing, the team/target entry system, etc.
Er, yeah, about that... I know this is a demo app and all, but I do hope you'll move admin login verification to the server-side before you deploy something that functions. Silverlight is easily decompiled.
>.>
*Paknac jiggles the e's in the app's logo again to look at the admin panel placeholder*
All Binaries are easily decompiled.. holds true for Flash, Flex.. Silverlight, Java Binaries.. etc
You'd be surprised how few developers actually know or realise this. I had to use Reflector to drive this point home to my colleagues.
Originally by: Analia Hlena
And no, admin login verification, which isn't published is not binary encoded in the application. Who the hell does that anyways??
For a second, I was worried you were going to do it, what with the 1-3-2-4 small-E thingy.
-
Paknac Queltel
|
Analia Hlena
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 19:34:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Paknac Queltel
Originally by: Analia Hlena
Originally by: Paknac Queltel
Originally by: Analia Hlena
Most of the site is dedicated to admin functionalities of automating the Killmail API parsing, the team/target entry system, etc.
Er, yeah, about that... I know this is a demo app and all, but I do hope you'll move admin login verification to the server-side before you deploy something that functions. Silverlight is easily decompiled.
>.>
*Paknac jiggles the e's in the app's logo again to look at the admin panel placeholder*
All Binaries are easily decompiled.. holds true for Flash, Flex.. Silverlight, Java Binaries.. etc
You'd be surprised how few developers actually know or realise this. I had to use Reflector to drive this point home to my colleagues.
Originally by: Analia Hlena
And no, admin login verification, which isn't published is not binary encoded in the application. Who the hell does that anyways??
For a second, I was worried you were going to do it, what with the 1-3-2-4 small-E thingy.
lol, naw, that was just a way Sasha came up with to get to the admin panel without putting a ADMIN LOGIN button on the screen. He does most of the client side, me.. the logic, WCF calls and database. I definitly have the boring part. Anyways, I'm at the point of closing this hijacked thread and just let in-game contact proceed. No reason to waist more time on discussing a technology that plays a small part (if any) in the overall concept just to satisfy those that are not comfortable with a plugin from some obscure company such as Microsoft.
|
Borun Tal
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 20:47:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Terro Deagas
And these forums are widely regarded as the poorest ever made
In the case of these forums, don't blame the underlying technology for ****-poor developing skills. And for those complaining about Silverlight, I daresay most of you don't have a clue what you're talking about. I'm a long time developer (including ASP, & Silverlight since 1.0) and I must say Silverlight is great technology AND stable compared to the morass that is Adobe Flash.
|
Ceraci
Superjail
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 21:16:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Bearstronaut
Originally by: Ceraci
Quote:
I'll just stop here so that I don't duplicate information that you read on our website.
You cannot expect people to install something they do not currently need just so that they can go to your website and find out if they think your idea is sh*t or not. Technology is irrelevant, you've gathered yourself alot of bad feeling in this thread. Good luck.
Well that's just disingenuous. Technology is irrelevant but there are apparently expectations for what should or should not be installed? And better yet, it can cause alot of bad feelings? Sounds like the technology used isn't irrelevant, or else there wouldn't have been a wash of arm-chair developers thread-jacking for the sake of being open source zealots.
And hey, you know how you can see if their idea is shcrap or not? Maybe try writing a post ASKING THEM QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EVENT rather than writing posts saying that their technology choices are bad, mkay?
Stop talking crap.
|
Paknac Queltel
Standards and Practices
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 21:25:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Borun Tal
Originally by: Terro Deagas
And these forums are widely regarded as the poorest ever made
In the case of these forums, don't blame the underlying technology for ****-poor developing skills. And for those complaining about Silverlight, I daresay most of you don't have a clue what you're talking about. I'm a long time developer (including ASP, & Silverlight since 1.0) and I must say Silverlight is great technology AND stable compared to the morass that is Adobe Flash.
True and true, but as another long time developer (including ASP.Net and Silverlight 2.0+) I must say Silverlight's not the right tool for this job.
But yeah, some people in this thread have a problem with it for the wrong reasons. The vendor lock-in / patent thing is valid though, and makes Moonlight use somewhat unsafe.
-
Paknac Queltel
|
|
|
Analia Hlena
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 21:44:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Paknac Queltel
Originally by: Borun Tal
Originally by: Terro Deagas
And these forums are widely regarded as the poorest ever made
In the case of these forums, don't blame the underlying technology for ****-poor developing skills. And for those complaining about Silverlight, I daresay most of you don't have a clue what you're talking about. I'm a long time developer (including ASP, & Silverlight since 1.0) and I must say Silverlight is great technology AND stable compared to the morass that is Adobe Flash.
True and true, but as another long time developer (including ASP.Net and Silverlight 2.0+) I must say Silverlight's not the right tool for this job.
But yeah, some people in this thread have a problem with it for the wrong reasons. The vendor lock-in / patent thing is valid though, and makes Moonlight use somewhat unsafe.
Still confused by your 'Right Tool for the Job'.. I could create the same site in asp.net, asp 2.0, Flash, Flex, Python, JSP, PHP.. etc I spend all day programming in .net/ Ajax for a Government website and believe me, I am so sick of .NET/AJAX programming that I can hardly stand it anymore, but I do enjoy the opportunities to write the content management portion of the site in Silverlight. With that being said, I am assuming you mean, 'Right Tool for the Job' meaning giving the ability for more individuals to visit the site, then hey.. u might be right. But, It's not my problem they are comfortable installing an Adobe Flash plugin (which happens to be more 'closed source' then Silverlight) versus a plugin from a vendor which they have some 'personal' issue with. The 'Right Tool for the Job' is a tool that will get the job done and me enjoy doing it. :) The events are only for up to 10 teams (up to 10 players on each team anyways) and getting the whole eve universe envolved isn't the goal anyways. Apart fromt the tech haters here, things are looking good. I'm not worried.
|
Owen Drakkar
Terra Nostra
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 21:51:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Analia Hlena
'Right Tool for the Job'
Reach into my pocket...
|
Yristor
|
Posted - 2010.05.14 23:20:00 -
[63]
Dear neckbeards: this thing will inevitably come pre-installed in your next computer anyway, so stop whining.
Dear Predator people: I like your website. But who will be the prey? You? Random corps? 0.0 alliances? I'd be more interested if the target corps' involvement was involuntary...
|
Sasha Krah'n
|
Posted - 2010.05.15 16:31:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Yristor
Dear neckbeards: this thing will inevitably come pre-installed in your next computer anyway, so stop whining.
Dear Predator people: I like your website. But who will be the prey? You? Random corps? 0.0 alliances? I'd be more interested if the target corps' involvement was involuntary...
Thank you. No alliance or corp is exempt from being a target. And yes, all targets will be involuntary.
We tossed around the idea of accepting 100 mil per corp/per season to not be picked to help generate prize money. If this becomes as mean as we hope, maybe it will easily justify such payment. :)
The ideal season will have 10 teams of 10 pilots all hunting the target. Since the teams aren't necessarily working together, this prevents large fleet battles (small gang warefare FTW) and gives the target somewhat of a snowball's chance. Letting the teams create their own identity (corp), instead of joining one corporation, makes this really attractive for team representation and recognition. Teams can build their own franchise and be sponsored by their fans/supporters. And it's seasonal, so it won't prevent players from being active in their current corps.
|
|
|
| |
|
| Pages: 1 2 3 :: [one page] |