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CCP Fallout	Posted - 2010.05.14 19:40:00 - [1] CCP t0rfifrans gives us an update on the deployment of Tyrannis in his newest dev blog. Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us


Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.05.14 19:46:00 - [2] oOo!!! Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Enthral	Posted - 2010.05.14 19:48:00 - [3] While I am glad you are giving a little extra time to flesh out some details, instead of blindly following a release date, I do disagree with the concept of folks on SiSi having any sort of unfair advantage. SiSi is open for everyone, and if people who might be affected by PI refuse to take that opportunity, it is a decision they made.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.05.14 19:48:00 - [4] First sensible thing about tyrannis tbh. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Delyus	Posted - 2010.05.14 19:50:00 - [5] that's better than having a bunch of bugs
Caladain Barton Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.05.14 19:50:00 - [6] Praise the server monkeys you aren't blindly shoving this patch out the door like dominion.
Bloodhands hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.05.14 19:51:00 - [7] lol, there is no lag in eve.
Randunip	Posted - 2010.05.14 19:52:00 - [8] Im glad there pushing it back a week to smooth out the hiccups.. God knows how many threads there would have been if something had gone even slightly wrong!
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.05.14 19:53:00 - [9] Good idea. :) -T'amber POLITICS:SIMULATORÖ
Casiella Truza Ecliptic Rift New Eden Research	Posted - 2010.05.14 19:54:00 - [10] I completely support this decision. Better to have an expansion released when it's ready than one the devs already know to be problematic.

Lord Bral Minmatar Viagra Lovers	Posted - 2010.05.14 19:56:00 - [11] did not want that expansion anyway
Rene Sauntier Gallente Descendants of Hermes	Posted - 2010.05.14 19:56:00 - [12] That means next week the janitors will have nothing to clean :( --- Good call and good luck "What I cannot create, I do not understand."
Joe Astor Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2010.05.14 19:57:00 - [13] One extra week to wait for the new Scorpion and Widow sadface
Douchie McNitpick Money Liberation Services Corp	Posted - 2010.05.14 19:57:00 - [14] Sounds like a good decision to me. Go polish it.

CCP Fallout	Posted - 2010.05.14 19:57:00 - [15] It's also probably a good time to remind you all that we're having our next stress test tomorrow on Singularity. You can find all the information here. Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us

Versuvius Marii CKSSA Industries Inc. Rebel Alliance of New Eden	Posted - 2010.05.14 19:58:00 - [16] Originally by: Caladain Barton Praise the server monkeys you aren't blindly shoving this patch out the door like dominion. Amen to that. All we need now is people to actually jump onto Sisi and participate in the mass testing, and REALLY give the dev team a helping hand.
Ulviirala Vauryndar Gallente Vauryndar Dalharil	Posted - 2010.05.14 20:01:00 - [17] What does it mean... "delayed"?
Lord Bral Minmatar Viagra Lovers	Posted - 2010.05.14 20:05:00 - [18] Originally by: CCP Fallout It's also probably a good time to remind you all that we're having our next stress test tomorrow on Singularity. You can find all the information here. did you not have a stress test in h-w lately ?
kano donn	Posted - 2010.05.14 20:08:00 - [19] Was this either poor initial code compared to other releases, or are many new improvements like this initially written poorly but the pre launch testing has not been as good, resulting in issues that need to be fixed later on? Possibly this "scalability issue" also affected the Sov changes in Dominion?
Clairmont Daken	Posted - 2010.05.14 20:10:00 - [20] Interesting blog. Basically I read it as "thanks for the help on Singularity." Now let me just make sure that you don't benefit from your contribution, eventhough everyone else had the same opportunity to help with debugging, but chose not to help.

RiotRick Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.05.14 20:15:00 - [21] Good decision tbh, better that you release a working expansion a week later. --
Doctor Ungabungas Caldari GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.05.14 20:19:00 - [22] Originally by: Clairmont Daken Interesting blog. Basically I read it as "thanks for the help on Singularity." Now let me just make sure that you don't benefit from your contribution, eventhough everyone else had the same opportunity to help with debugging, but chose not to help. Interesting post. Basically I read it as 'a bloo bloo bloo bloo' Contribute if you want to make the game better, don't if you don't. Just don't whinge that you're not getting an unfair advantage over everyone else.
Ephemeral Waves Silver Snake Enterprise	Posted - 2010.05.14 20:21:00 - [23] Will you be taking that extra week to change EvE-Gate to be an opt-in system?
Ting Ting	Posted - 2010.05.14 20:23:00 - [24] Originally by: Clairmont Daken Interesting blog. Basically I read it as "thanks for the help on Singularity." Now let me just make sure that you don't benefit from your contribution, eventhough everyone else had the same opportunity to help with debugging, but chose not to help. Maybe I'd be motivated if CCP actually looked at the bug reports. Number 95421 if anyone looking, open since april 18th.
Venom Orchid Minmatar Hellcats HellFleet	Posted - 2010.05.14 20:25:00 - [25] I'm glad, ty much for considering the delay instead of issues. Job well done is one that is done well and not quick. Just wanted to add my two cents. I <3 Mynxee
tasman devil Amarr Imperium Galactica Omega Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.14 20:27:00 - [26] **** ---------------------------------- Even if you don't belive in God, Be prepared to meet him anytime...
Nareg Maxence Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.14 20:27:00 - [27] LOL CCP, it's just not your year! :D
I SoStoned Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.14 20:28:00 - [28] Would be hilarious to see a chart of skills in training on May 19.... Half the cluster all training PI primary skills simultaneously. --- Dreamer: My dream, Freddy! MY RULES. Freddy Kruger: groans Awwwww, f**k. --- Never give up!
gargars	Posted - 2010.05.14 20:30:00 - [29] Originally by: Ephemeral Waves Will you be taking that extra week to change EvE-Gate to be an opt-in system? I want to know the answer to this also. I can't believe you would go thru with making people's private info available for viewing by everyone and them having to figure out how to opt out of that. No brainer is make that 'opt in' NOT 'opt out'. Don't mess with people's private information.
EscapeArtist Terra Incognita Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.05.14 20:32:00 - [30] **** YOU CCP! Only kidding, good move, I am glad you saw sense, the time-scales were always aggressive! You have my support.

Doctor Ungabungas Caldari GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.05.14 20:33:00 - [31] Originally by: Lord Bral Originally by: CCP Fallout It's also probably a good time to remind you all that we're having our next stress test tomorrow on Singularity. You can find all the information here. did you not have a stress test in h-w lately ? I'd hate to think how badly h-w would have performed with debugging code in place.
tasman devil Amarr Imperium Galactica Omega Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.14 20:35:00 - [32] Originally by: tasman devil **** I cannot say the words that come into my mind because you would all be shocked. As the organizer for the Hungarian Patch day beer party I am truly thankful for this "happening". Now I have to figure out a way to amend this situation and Hungarian bars are "absolutely not amused" to say the least when their booking gets canceled. Thank you very much CCP! Could you have not figured this out sooner? Like a month ago? Next time when scheduling releases use a new tool, like your brain or something like that... ---------------------------------- Even if you don't belive in God, Be prepared to meet him anytime...
Caladain Barton Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.05.14 20:38:00 - [33] Originally by: CCP Fallout It's also probably a good time to remind you all that we're having our next stress test tomorrow on Singularity. You can find all the information here. Are you going to put actual 0.0 A-Team FC's in charge?
Cinori Aluben Minmatar Gladiators of Rage	Posted - 2010.05.14 20:38:00 - [34] Edited by: Cinori Aluben on 14/05/2010 20:42:32 Gah! Well, beside the initial shock, if it means a better release I'm all for it. Originally by: Ephemeral Waves Will you be taking that extra week to change EvE-Gate to be an opt-in system? I would also like to know an answer to this. Cinori Aluben CSM5 2010 Fix the Little Things First! www.littlethingsfirst.com --- Cinori Aluben -- CSM 2010!! "Fix the Little Things First!" http://www.littlethingsfirst.com
Templar Jones	Posted - 2010.05.14 20:39:00 - [35] I am betting this happens with incarna also
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.05.14 20:40:00 - [36] Nice. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
tasman devil Amarr Imperium Galactica Omega Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.14 20:41:00 - [37] Originally by: Templar Jones I am betting this happens with incarna also read my lips: Incarna is never going to happen! It has been promised to us for 3 years constantly... It's not going to happen this year... ---------------------------------- Even if you don't belive in God, Be prepared to meet him anytime...
kano donn	Posted - 2010.05.14 20:44:00 - [38] Originally by: tasman devil Originally by: Templar Jones I am betting this happens with incarna also read my lips: Incarna is never going to happen! It has been promised to us for 3 years constantly... It's not going to happen this year... WE cant! Incarna is not out yet! XD
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.05.14 20:44:00 - [39] I'm officially changing my position from "Everything is Fine" to EVE IS DYING! -Patch notes leaked early -Cannot keep schedule -Small amount of changes/fixes/features - It's not "Play through a pre-set story, become stronger, do endgame". Gameplay is open ended, and you make your own story. Unless you're too afraid of 'pvp grief' to do anything relevant
Graysson Grumpy Panda Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.05.14 20:45:00 - [40] Does the old saying "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink" not translate into Icelandic? I'm very happy to hear that more testing will be conducted... but let's not make the issue sound foolish by partially blaming it on a lack of player interest. Ironically, if it was "station walking" being tested on SiSi, it would be an entirely different story -- because players ARE interested in THAT. Good luck.

Cronus Bloodhall	Posted - 2010.05.14 20:50:00 - [41] Is it really necessary to have 2 weeks without the actual functionality that the patch brings? I find this to be an excessive amount of time to "plan"...
Lone Gunman Forhotea Corporation	Posted - 2010.05.14 20:51:00 - [42] In before Akita T's 'Told you so'!
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.05.14 20:53:00 - [43] Not quite "we listened to you and are delayed briefly per your... suggestions" but good enough to show CCP is thinking at least a little. Now, how about some UI improvements (never thought I'd type those words) during this extra week too. - DesuSigs - Now with ThreadAssignÖ and SigSelectÖ
Jurai Talar	Posted - 2010.05.14 20:56:00 - [44] Just wanted to say that I'm glad Tyrannis has been delayed if problems have been discovered. However, I do NOT agree with the concept that Sisi players have an unfair advantage. Sisi is available to ALL players so any non-Siss players are disadvantaged by their own inaction. (For reference, I have never logged onto Sisi and take responsibility for my own actions)
Des Jardin Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2010.05.14 21:02:00 - [45] Originally by: Ulviirala Vauryndar What does it mean... "delayed"? "De-layed":= to un-f*** up. I support this de-laying.
SirRalph	Posted - 2010.05.14 21:04:00 - [46] Edited by: SirRalph on 14/05/2010 21:04:11 Originally by: CCP Fallout CCP t0rfifrans gives us an update on the deployment of Tyrannis in his newest dev blog. So no profits from PI for those who have been researching it for past months. Thanks alot... **ing noobfriendly bull. you noobs, die in fire. YOU! All MMORPGs are dying because ignorant **ING NOOBS!
Gregory Alexander	Posted - 2010.05.14 21:06:00 - [47] First, I don't plan to do PI because it looks like boring time sink, just my opinion. But to use the words "unfair advantage" as related to people using SiSi to test new features before they are live.... really? Its been that way for 7 years, I have even seen Devs refer to SiSi as a place to test new features without risk both before and after they are officially released. and seeing as SiSi is openly available to everyone anyway... I'm crying Bull **** myself.
Hixxy Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.05.14 21:06:00 - [48] Originally by: Chribba oOo!!! suggest more stuff you layabout:P
tasman devil Amarr Imperium Galactica Omega Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.14 21:11:00 - [49] Originally by: Gregory Alexander First, I don't plan to do PI because it looks like boring time sink, just my opinion. But to use the words "unfair advantage" as related to people using SiSi to test new features before they are live.... really? Its been that way for 7 years, I have even seen Devs refer to SiSi as a place to test new features without risk both before and after they are officially released. and seeing as SiSi is openly available to everyone anyway... I'm crying Bull **** myself. it hase been open for inactive accounts too as far as I can remember ---------------------------------- Even if you don't belive in God, Be prepared to meet him anytime...
Lost Hamster Hamster Holding Corp	Posted - 2010.05.14 21:22:00 - [50] It's a good move. PI, needs much more love.

John Zorg Caldari Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.05.14 21:28:00 - [51] Nice! Can't wait! I havn't seen anything about the promised Hel bonus changes or the SC model size changes? kthnxbi
AkJon Ferguson	Posted - 2010.05.14 21:29:00 - [52] Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas Originally by: Clairmont Daken Interesting blog. Basically I read it as "thanks for the help on Singularity." Now let me just make sure that you don't benefit from your contribution, eventhough everyone else had the same opportunity to help with debugging, but chose not to help. Interesting post. Basically I read it as 'a bloo bloo bloo bloo' Contribute if you want to make the game better, don't if you don't. Just don't whinge that you're not getting an unfair advantage over everyone else. A goon made me laugh out loud. What's the world coming to?
Kyra Felann Gallente Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.14 21:31:00 - [53] Delay: I'm OK with this. I actually think it should be delayed a few more months so it can be worked on further. Two weeks before anyone can start: I don't get this, really. Anyone can get on Singularity and test it at any time. If they haven't tested it, it means they don't care enough to try it out , so I don't see why trying it out ahead of time is "unfair". I guess giving people time to train skills ahead of time makes sense, though.
Valkrin S'jomah	Posted - 2010.05.14 21:40:00 - [54] Good move on CCP's part. There would be more ***ing and complaining about "bug this and bug that" than there would be about a moving time frame. On those complaining about the PI change..its a freaking test server. Its not a mirror image of the game and there has never been anyone that said it was. Those that thought that they would be able to use the TEST server as a vehicle for advanced scouting for the 'good **'.. I will simply say haha.
thatbloke Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.14 21:40:00 - [55] All you people moaning that people should go on Sisi and test things, what about those of us who don't like spoilers? I know this shiny new thing called PI is coming and I've read the Devblogs, but I prefer to play the real (finished) thing, as opposed to some test version. As you have all said, it's open for everyone. What it also is is OPTIONAL. People do not HAVE to play it. I prefer to experience the content as it is intended to be experienced - this means playing only the release version. I should not HAVE to go on Sisi and play it beforehand to know how it's going to work and whether or not it will interest me. The funny thing about this sentence is that by the time you've finished reading it, it's too late for you to realise it doesn't say anything.
Ulair Memmet ORIGIN SYSTEMS Shadows of Light	Posted - 2010.05.14 21:41:00 - [56] Now this makes me chuckle But good that you didn't rush it. Take your time! It's a shame that we wont at least get EVE Gate on time though. --------------------------------------------------

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.05.14 21:44:00 - [57] Originally by: Ting Ting Maybe I'd be motivated if CCP actually looked at the bug reports. Number 95421 if anyone looking, open since april 18th. There's no bug report with that number, can you please double check it. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2010.05.14 21:48:00 - [58] Big GRATS to that step forward. The only right thing to do. Great to see that you are not trying to pull some crazy stunt and releasing with many bugs. MAD PROPS
Mme Pinkerton United Engineering Services	Posted - 2010.05.14 21:53:00 - [59] Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 14/05/2010 21:54:54 big, big kudos for having the balls to take this step (which must hurt quite a bit in terms of marketing/PR - but it is very good to see you put the quality of the game first) But if you really only realized the necessity for this decision during the last few days, you should seriously think a bit about your "agile" development methodology. (isn't this just the kind of scenario that should be prevented by having lots of internal releases and early testing of the individual components? having no serious performance regressions should have been pretty high on the list of internal requirements after the experience with Dominion ... in comparison with a traditional waterfall approach all the agile stuff has the goal to make sure very early that the client's core requirements are actually met; an approach of "concentrate on shiny features first, we'll test & optimize it as we have time left before release" doesn't go well with this approach if performance itself is one of the key requirements; then performance should be measured and iteratively improved upon right from the get-go as difficult as this might sound)
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2010.05.14 21:56:00 - [60] Very good decision, even if it was difficult to make.

Cordin Hamir	Posted - 2010.05.14 22:00:00 - [61] Hurray - now you have time to fix rockets. assault ships etc.
Thaylon Sen Tetra-Pac	Posted - 2010.05.14 22:04:00 - [62] Edited by: Thaylon Sen on 14/05/2010 22:04:32 2 Weeks so there's a level playing field? Don't you mean 2 weeks so you can test PI on TQ. Come on, call a spade a spade. Edit: Not that that's a bad thing mind you.
Ban Doga	Posted - 2010.05.14 22:06:00 - [63] Originally by: Thaylon Sen Edited by: Thaylon Sen on 14/05/2010 22:04:32 2 Weeks so there's a level playing field? Don't you mean 2 weeks so you can test PI on TQ. Come on, call a spade a spade. Edit: Not that that's a bad thing mind you. We should take bets on how many patches those 2 weeks will see. I think 3 is a reasonable number...
BeanBagKing Ch3mic4l Warfare	Posted - 2010.05.14 22:17:00 - [64] Originally by: tasman devil Edited by: tasman devil on 14/05/2010 20:59:05 Edited by: tasman devil on 14/05/2010 20:47:27 Originally by: tasman devil ** I cannot say the words that come into my mind because you would all be shocked. As the organizer for the Hungarian Patch day beer party I am truly thankful for this "happening". Now I have to figure out a way to amend this situation and Hungarian bars are "absolutely not amused" to say the least when their booking for 70 people gets canceled. Thank you very much CCP! Could you have not figured this out sooner? Like a month ago? Next time when scheduling releases use a new tool, like your brain or something like that... Absolutely right, because they should think of all the social events that revolve around their patch before announcing something like this. Software development lives around beer days, how could they not consider your carefully developed plans! Oh, that's right, because they DON'T CARE! Nor should they. The last thing they need to consider when they think about delaying a patch is how **ed off some bartender is going to be at you. I'm glad CCP decided to delay a little bit rather than release something half assed just so someone wouldn't get their panties in a bunch over a beer day party.
Steve Thomas Minmatar	Posted - 2010.05.14 22:22:00 - [65] Part of the issue is the currently borked mechanics have a very steep Dimitishing return scaleing due to a lot of factors. to a very real degree the larger a network gets the worse it realy is. . . . . . . . . a (Long) Guide to Pi
Kern Hotha	Posted - 2010.05.14 22:24:00 - [66] There's no need to rush this expansion. Take some time, a long time...and fix existing bugs instead.
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2010.05.14 22:25:00 - [67] Sensible move. Nice one.
Lialem	Posted - 2010.05.14 22:30:00 - [68] Good decision if you are going to further improve it and maybe add some more features to it.
Merouk Baas Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.14 22:35:00 - [69] I'm sorry to say this, because I know you care about your expansion, but whatever. Considering what's in it, and what the point behind PI is, don't really care. You can postpone it indefinitely if you want. The few bug fixes you have in the patch notes, can you release those on the 18th? We could do with maybe a week of fewer bugs in the game, between 18th and 26th (when your PI release will re-introduce more bugs). Thanks in advance. I'm gonna go mark my calendars now, all 2153 of them.
Derus Grobb RipStar Mining Industries United Front Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.14 22:40:00 - [70] Thanks t0rfifrans. Cannot have been an easy decision but Tyrannis will benefit from the postponement. ---

Matalino	Posted - 2010.05.14 22:52:00 - [71] Originally by: SirRalph Originally by: CCP Fallout CCP t0rfifrans gives us an update on the deployment of Tyrannis in his newest dev blog. So no profits from PI for those who have been researching it for past months. Thanks alot... I don't know what advantage you thought you could gain by researching an incomplete feature. Bumping the release date back by a few weeks doesn't change whatever advantage that might have been. Neither does staggering the release of the skills and the command centers. You have just as much of an advantage from your research as you ever did.
u gotjacked2	Posted - 2010.05.14 22:55:00 - [72] I do support this decisoon. However i think it is only fair that each player be awarded a million isk per day that the patch is late. I suggest this should be programed into tyranis.
Milo Caman Gallente Anshar Incorporated	Posted - 2010.05.14 23:03:00 - [73] Whilst I am slightly blah that we have to wait longer for patch, Am glad CCP are putting it forward, if it makes things a bit more polished. \o/ --- Out of Sinq
Jennifer Celeste	Posted - 2010.05.14 23:21:00 - [74] Originally by: Delyus that's better than having a bunch of bugs b/c the current client is CLEAN of all bugs right?
Zoon Muidac Aliastra	Posted - 2010.05.14 23:33:00 - [75] Sorry but we did'nt finish PI in time, but we hope to have it in the winter expansion, hey but at least you get a new scorp model.
Asiel Caldari The Baby Sitters Caretakers	Posted - 2010.05.14 23:36:00 - [76] Give us all max skills some players have a slight advantage over others.
Jurai Talar	Posted - 2010.05.14 23:39:00 - [77] Originally by: Cordin Hamir Hurray - now you have time to fix rockets. assault ships etc. To all the people thinking this way, DON'T GET YOUR HOPES UP. I don't want to see a bunch of threads complaining about how CCP delayed the launch and didn't add the extra features they "promised."
Gris X	Posted - 2010.05.14 23:52:00 - [78] I think this is a great move to open all the planet scouting and information gathering to all before the assets required to start something are made available on the live server. I hope this kind of staggered release becomes the norm when a new skill training and assets related feature is created to allow all to ramp up to the new features without being forced to participate to play testings.
Stoya Cozka	Posted - 2010.05.14 23:56:00 - [79] Playing this game for 2-3 years. This is the first expansion i am NOT excited about. It feels like an "EMPTY" expansion, nothing in it to be thrilled about. Even for myself, an industrialist player. ( I checked PI at singularity, it was not like i have expected. ) Hopefully this expansion wont affect my playtime and bring lots of bugs. Postpone it as much as you want, and think about more innovative expansions next time please. Thanks.
Steve Thomas Minmatar	Posted - 2010.05.15 00:09:00 - [80] Originally by: Lialem Good decision if you are going to further improve it and maybe add some more features to it. I dont think they are actualy going to be adding new features, one of the issues currently is strictly a serverside issue caused (in my opinion) by the Routing system in that its posible for each scan to generate more products, and the fastest solution (from the players pov) is to simply stick on another route every time this happens. Before long your rout list from one extractor can have up to 6 extra routs that send 1-2 units each to the same place and the code has to account for all of them. theres other simular issues, but I think you get the point. . . . . . . . . a (Long) Guide to Pi

Hamdan Bitar Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous	Posted - 2010.05.15 00:13:00 - [81] Edited by: Hamdan Bitar on 15/05/2010 00:14:08 Originally by: Ban Doga We should take bets on how many patches those 2 weeks will see. I think 3 is a reasonable number... Are you volunteering to be the bank? Put me down for 2, if so.
Sinnek CTRL-Q	Posted - 2010.05.15 01:15:00 - [82] Dominion patch day was perfect. everything was up before schedule, and working smoothly. although some bugs surfaced eventually, you raised the bar on what to expect from you with an expansion deployment. At least initially, i doubt the majority of eve players will delve too deeply into PI, leaving it just to the die hard manufacturers. when tales of their profits reach the masses, I'm sure this number will increase, but it's safe to say that on patch day, most of us are only affected by the scorpion skin and little else. I hope you take necessary steps to make deployment as smooth as possible for those to whom it's just another day of pew pew. thank you for a great game, and good luck.
Catari Taga Centre Of Attention Rough Necks	Posted - 2010.05.15 01:33:00 - [83] Originally by: Ting Ting Originally by: Clairmont Daken Interesting blog. Basically I read it as "thanks for the help on Singularity." Now let me just make sure that you don't benefit from your contribution, eventhough everyone else had the same opportunity to help with debugging, but chose not to help. Maybe I'd be motivated if CCP actually looked at the bug reports. Number 95421 if anyone looking, open since april 18th. April 18th of THIS year? You must be new here. My currently oldest active BR was filed when Apocrypha came out.
Vilgan i'Lakin Pirates and Ninjas	Posted - 2010.05.15 02:40:00 - [84] Hooray to putting off PI till its in a bit better shape. Bummer about the week wait for bug fixes, but oh well. Please consider putting PI off... indefinitely, at least until its in significantly better shape. While some people will gripe, if it was released as it is now you'd get a lot of people checking it out once while it was terrible and never going back later when its decent (6/12/18 months down the road).
Serpents smile	Posted - 2010.05.15 03:41:00 - [85] Originally by: Lone Gunman In before Akita T's 'Told you so'! Good move CCP.
Mynxee Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.05.15 04:24:00 - [86] Edited by: Mynxee on 15/05/2010 04:24:23 @Serpents smile...nice sig! Glad to see you guys taking the high road and holding Tyrannis up to ensure that potential problems that you're aware of are dealt with first. Two weeks between deployment and seeding PCCs seems like a long time, though, since everyone had the same opportunity to go onto SiSi and check PI out. Where is my "HTFU" EVE? But whatever...the main thing I'm looking forward to is EVEGate. Life In Low Sec
IVeige Caldari IVever.	Posted - 2010.05.15 05:01:00 - [87] Dear ccp, please delay tyrannis alot more. Listen what Akita's is saying. He was right again... Give us shot from orbit options, make sure everything is fixed BEFORE releasing it. Tyrannis could have been one of the best expansion to date, but now, its gonna end up like quantum rise...
Arathene	Posted - 2010.05.15 05:19:00 - [88] Good call.
Ting Ting	Posted - 2010.05.15 05:36:00 - [89] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Ting Ting Maybe I'd be motivated if CCP actually looked at the bug reports. Number 95421 if anyone looking, open since april 18th. There's no bug report with that number, can you please double check it. Sorry, that's 94521
menacemyth	Posted - 2010.05.15 05:59:00 - [90] This is a sensible decision. I've been testing on SiSi and I don't think the delay is because of poor code in the beginning, but because of all the issues of practicality brought up by the testers. I believe they are listening to the players. That being said, if you want to help test, I suggest you start now because you need to train the skills on SiSi at this point. So it might take a week to get a decent idea of what each player will be capable of when PI goes live.

Maeve Kell	Posted - 2010.05.15 06:11:00 - [91] So can everyone settle on 1 planet and it is instanced or will the unemployed conquer anything until i arrive?
Leocadminone	Posted - 2010.05.15 06:21:00 - [92] Originally by: Graysson Ironically, if it was "station walking" being tested on SiSi, it would be an entirely different story -- because players ARE interested in THAT. Some are - personally I couldn't care less about "station walking" and suspect it's just going to turn into yet another place for one player to gank another, while PI I actually have some interest in.
Kristrina Belaure Caldari Cosmic Cimmerians C0NVICTED	Posted - 2010.05.15 06:36:00 - [93] Dangnamit, my rather poor quality internet plan (only thing thats actually poor quality in Australia imo) resets on the 23rd Eastern Australian time. Hopefully this patch wont be to big or there goes eve for me for about a month. Dang massively expensive internet for such a small amount of downloads
Pharago Gallente Piratas Leprosos Guineanos CorsarioS.	Posted - 2010.05.15 06:55:00 - [94] Lets get every****ingbody into SiSI today, shall we? (and hope for the best)
cpu939 Gallente Volatile Nature Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.05.15 07:26:00 - [95] Originally by: Leocadminone Originally by: Graysson Ironically, if it was "station walking" being tested on SiSi, it would be an entirely different story -- because players ARE interested in THAT. Some are - personally I couldn't care less about "station walking" and suspect it's just going to turn into yet another place for one player to gank another, while PI I actually have some interest in. this is one of the best parts of eve, therer are so many things to do try. i for one am happy they are putting it back. -And by that i mean they able to test and hopefully have less bug we all know there wil be bugs but hoping for less. one thing i am looking forward to is t3 frig when ccp when? 0101011 001101111 011011000 110000101110100 01101001011011000 1100101001000000 1001110011000010 11101000111010101 11001001100101
Abrazzar	Posted - 2010.05.15 07:40:00 - [96] Well, that gives you time to add in extractor grouping, command center upgrading and automated routed amount updating from extractors. --------
HeliosGal Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.15 07:52:00 - [97] Originally by: Abrazzar Well, that gives you time to add in extractor grouping, command center upgrading and automated routed amount updating from extractors. this is very true was a rushed date they might be able to get in the remaining pirate arcs to Signature - CCP what this game needs is more variance in PVE aspects and a little bit less PVP focus, more content more varied level 1-4 missions more than just 10 per faction high sec low sec and 00
Stovo kor Firebird Squadron	Posted - 2010.05.15 08:09:00 - [98] Change of mindset from CCP ? Either way great news. Hopefully this sets the precedent for future expansions and development cycles. CCP putting enough time /testing into the design & possible repercussions of their expansions is probably one of the biggest concerns among player base. EVE is already solid. At this stage, a bit more polish will gain more millage then half baked releases Solid support & revisiting features that were released earlier and flopped / gonna be released in expansions could be the edge that divides CCP from the rest. Most of the fail MMOG's have their demise attributed to bad patches / chronic bugs / Not listening to player-base It seems alot of game companies think their infallible until too late By the time they fire key figures & start acknowledging the real issues. The downward spiral and bad press is kinda insurmountable
SuperTight5	Posted - 2010.05.15 09:34:00 - [99] One week is not enough. I think CCP should reduce amount of expansions per year and focus on quality testing.
clixoras	Posted - 2010.05.15 10:02:00 - [100] victory of the Q&A people over the marketing guys i guess ;) But all in all a brave decision although i would perhaps delay the whole patch 3 weeks. Tyrannis without PI is just...

Arin Fensfield Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.15 11:02:00 - [101] Edited by: Arin Fensfield on 15/05/2010 11:02:43 Boo >.> What a disappointment.. Still it does make a great deal of sense and I'm glad there'll be real improvement come release. What amazes me is how well people are reacting; normally I'd have expected to see about 50% more exclusive swearing and anti-update trolling >.> Though it'll be a bit of a sod, being able to earmark planets early.. I wonder how bad that'll effect me given I'm based out in the proverbial boonies anyway.
Merouk Baas Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.15 11:05:00 - [102] I don't know if they'd call it a victory. For them, it's probably along the lines of "Guys, let's pull all-nighters for one more week, ok? Work your butt off, no sleep, get only some of the bugs fixed! You can sleep after the 26th."
Kashimir Otoko no Baito The Polaris Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.15 11:22:00 - [103] Nice. There's nothing wrong with stuff getting delayed as long as you keep the playerbase informed about the progress. Even tho' we can see what have made it's way to the SiSi we can't really tell how much of it is made TQ-worthy. Thanks for the update, Keep up the good work.
Freddybear	Posted - 2010.05.15 11:36:00 - [104] It's absolutely awesome that you (CCP) are pushing the expansion back and you have my full support in pushing it back as far as it takes as long as you keep progressing. It's done when it's done is a good way to put it as with everything revolving around code. BUT, the awesome of your entire blog post was literally decimated by the last part! Quote: This gives some players a slight advantage and we have chosen to take steps to somewhat level that playing field. First off, hasn't it been like this for just about every other expansion? Those that spend time finding bugs on SISI and are doing their research ALWAYS get a head start as opposed to those who don't want to bother with it? For example: * Those that knew the good and the bad on the speed nerf had fittings ready to adjust to the changes. * The new scanning mechanic was (according to some newbs) too complex and didn't work properly while those that had been on SISI for a least 4 hours already had it down to an artform. The truth is that those who would rather spend the time figuring stuff out in TIME than waiting until the last moment will prevail. By the way, i wanna see a blog detailing the rise in NPC order trades pre-Tyrannis please. I bet most people between May 26th and June 8th will still be completely oblivious to that fact. Second, if the people who you are targeting here (Those who can't bother getting on SISI) haven't bothered learning the ins and out of PI by now i doubt they will do so between during the 12 days you are giving them to have a look at planets. Finally, if there is a SINGLE problem after DT that prevents certain people from getting to their target planets they are going to cry foul even more so as they didn't get a fair start and they had spent 12 days planning their monopoly on PI. (Which will be impossible anyways, but they will...) You would have been better off putting it like this: Quote: We are also delaying the release of Command Centers for PI until June 8th to give us some extra time to do balancing on SISI and to ensure the planetary seeder works as expected. This also gives prospectors time to view what planets they are getting to even out the effect timezone difference has for some players. Other than that, you are doing awesome work! Please keep it up!
Dragon Greg	Posted - 2010.05.15 11:57:00 - [105] Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans This gives some players a slight advantage and we have chosen to take steps to somewhat level that playing field. If that is really true, why did you increase the treshold for those players who have not engaged in PI yet on the test server, by removing trained skills and Redeem Item options. I mean, sure, it is all simple to run around for and train, but if you really want to level the playing field, you do everything you can to lower the treshold and make the entry and the experience easier. Sisi is a case not just of testing, but also of self interest for players, that is pretty obvious. But referring to scalability and then levelling the playing field? Come on A lot of us appreciate that not only will you take more time to polish, even more we appreciate that this is a sign that CCP is willing to take a breath for the sake of a better run - which is direly needed on more levels then just this. That does not mean we expect PI to be properly tackled along the lines of the original format, that's been given up on, nor do we expect that the structural issues with the concept will be resolved in the extended time, nor do we expect that it means a second look at this approach of workload as a feature of game design. But seriously, if you want to level the playing field, if you want the marketing to succeed, you have to make the entry and the experience as smooth as possible.
HeliosGal Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.15 12:11:00 - [106] obviously QI have looked at this and gone nope lets delay ( good thing) ccp got time to possibly fine tune and even add to the experience depending on how they want to play it Signature - CCP what this game needs is more variance in PVE aspects and a little bit less PVP focus, more content more varied level 1-4 missions more than just 10 per faction high sec low sec and 00
xavier69 Gallente Stark Enterprises LLC	Posted - 2010.05.15 12:15:00 - [107] I am totally ok with you delaying it if its going to cause problems with the servers. its a public testing server there is no advantage they are capable like everyone else to log in and test these features and get scope in advance, I have beta tested many games currently beta testing StarCraft II will I have a better understanding and advantage of how it works Yes but that's my payment for testing the product Being the test server is open to anyone motivated and willing i see no such advantage i only see you placating to lazy people who don't help test this game. I see a planet reseeding coming on release day, sure np but no needed to even mention it in a derogatory way or get some private beta testers if its that important CCP.
The Pricer	Posted - 2010.05.15 12:55:00 - [108] Originally by: HeliosGal Originally by: Abrazzar Well, that gives you time to add in extractor grouping, command center upgrading and automated routed amount updating from extractors. this is very true was a rushed date they might be able to get in the remaining pirate arcs to Trolls be quoting themselves....now some1 quote me
SELKERUS	Posted - 2010.05.15 13:06:00 - [109] Edited by: SELKERUS on 15/05/2010 13:07:58 If there are known problems with the new release ( and lets face it, there almost always are ) then bumping the release date makes sense. The advantage gained by people in the test server testing will be lessend somewhat, but the knowledge stays with them and will pay dividends in time and efficiency when used on the live server. I was under the impression that npc trading of items that can be produced from PI would be phased out over time ( this time being the time it takes to learn the new skills to a reasonable level - say level 3). This would be a time for those interested to buy and learn skills and start to use PI. By saying that ccp are attempting to 'level' the playing field by withholding the CC's is a little mis-leading. Yes, people will be able to scan out planets in advance of being able to interact with them, but assuming the skills are released at the same time, everyone has the opportunity to begin to train them at the same time. Only those people that are interested ( i.e. have POS's or outposts or produce capital ships) will actually take the time to train the skills. As i see it, this patch will be met with indifference by most people while npc sourcing of the products are available. When ( And this is crucial ) npc's stop selling these items, all hell could break loose. Supply & Demand . The demand cannot be questioned, imagine 0.0 with no pos's or jump bridges....no moon goo ...chaos. Think of all those Hi-Sec Pos's churning out BPC's and manufactured items - these are the interested parties that will have stashed at least 3 months fuel away ( err, what do you mean you havent? ) So, its like oil, all the time it can be dug out of the ground, no-one cares that it will one day run out. When it does run out, some will have a bit stashed away, the rest will have to walk to work, do without plastic and re-learn how to make candles :) By giving people a couple of weeks grace/notice does not mean much - unless and until the npc's stop selling it (Because, yes, the market price will get crazy for a while once its completely player driven) - how much do you think the very last barrel of oil on the planet will be worth? :)
Vincent Gaines Macabre Votum	Posted - 2010.05.15 13:07:00 - [110] ah hahahahahahahahaaha

Luna Nilaya Blood Works Inc. Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.05.15 13:09:00 - [111] Take your time.. I can wait for this expansion since I'm mainly just waiting for the new scorpion model. - Installing premium content... Deleting file: \boot.ini
MazeRunner	Posted - 2010.05.15 13:36:00 - [112] Quote: In our regression testing, we have identified scalability issues with the Planetary Interaction feature, which led to code refactoring that then needed further testing before being launched to Tranquility. So, in short...something cracked and needs to be adjusted? heh. I think that the announcement and "heres why" posting from CCP t0rfifrans is more in the nature of damage control in the wake of Dominions explosive aftermath. They do seem a bit more open on the subject of expansions given the rather, ahem, "bright display" we all saw on the forums after that one. Maybe they're running low on firesuits?
Amida Ta German Mining and Manufacture Corp.	Posted - 2010.05.15 13:59:00 - [113] Edited by: Amida Ta on 15/05/2010 14:01:59 Bold move, but somehow expected. Just thinking of the lastest Sisi build the following open issues immediately come to my mind: All schematics icons are missing and just displaying a white blank The cachefiles are still a mess with the added icon references, but still existing (though unused) graphics references in most tables The skills are distributed in two categories (instead of all being assigned into the PI tree as they should be) The balancing between 0.0 and highsec in regards of PI is still rediculous Eve gate only has char/corp/allicance placeholder graphics _________________________ EveAI.Live - The EVE-Online API/class library for .Net, C# and VB.Net
tasman devil Amarr Imperium Galactica Omega Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.15 14:26:00 - [114] Originally by: BeanBagKing Originally by: tasman devil Edited by: tasman devil on 14/05/2010 20:59:05 Edited by: tasman devil on 14/05/2010 20:47:27 Originally by: tasman devil ** I cannot say the words that come into my mind because you would all be shocked. As the organizer for the Hungarian Patch day beer party I am truly thankful for this "happening". Now I have to figure out a way to amend this situation and Hungarian bars are "absolutely not amused" to say the least when their booking for 70 people gets canceled. Thank you very much CCP! Could you have not figured this out sooner? Like a month ago? Next time when scheduling releases use a new tool, like your brain or something like that... Absolutely right, because they should think of all the social events that revolve around their patch before announcing something like this. Software development lives around beer days, how could they not consider your carefully developed plans! Oh, that's right, because they DON'T CARE! Nor should they. The last thing they need to consider when they think about delaying a patch is how ed off some bartender is going to be at you. I'm glad CCP decided to delay a little bit rather than release something half assed just so someone wouldn't get their panties in a bunch over a beer day party. yeah... thanks for your concern Mr. Sensitive. Guess You'll be just as **ed off as I, if you'd recive a 400$ invoice for the cancelled party... Thank you. ---------------------------------- Even if you don't belive in God, Be prepared to meet him anytime...
Illwill Bill House of Tempers	Posted - 2010.05.15 14:26:00 - [115] Originally by: SELKERUS imagine 0.0 with no pos's or jump bridges....no moon goo ...chaos. Good times.
Automerias Priore Gallente Ornery Cantankerous Curmudgeons	Posted - 2010.05.15 14:39:00 - [116] Edited by: Automerias Priore on 15/05/2010 14:42:28 Edited by: Automerias Priore on 15/05/2010 14:41:39 Wow - a great expansion delayed for reasons of fairness and balance? As someone who has logged many hours on sisi since the first Tyrannis builds were seeded I have learned how to use this expansion - it will be awesome - if you must delay for scalability reasons so be it BUT don't delay because only a small number of forward thinking players have taken advantage of the parallel environment! It is open to all if they chose not to come for the last 5 weeks then what makes you think they will come now? Frankly delay for reasons of usability I can accept that but do not even offend us with the idea of FAIRNESS Doctrine -- really? This is the first time I have ever been truly disappointed with CCP - the Universe is far from fair - but remember chance favors the prepared. Seriously, if they choose not to come they choose not to gain the rewards of the effort. Those of us who VOLUNTEERED our time to help test multiple builds should reap the rewards. CEO :: Ihatalo Heavy Industries Capitalist, Industrialist and Master Miner
argarde	Posted - 2010.05.15 15:21:00 - [117] Originally by: CCP Fallout This gives some players a slight advantage and we have chosen to take steps to somewhat level that playing field So the players who have logged on to help test these features, who have provided feed back and reported any bugs or problems they found have done something wrong? If you had said it had been delayed to make improvments then i wouldnt mind but everyone has a chance to log on to sisi to test the new features, are you going to compensate me for being too lazy to salvage my missions? as i feel that those who are less lazy can make more isk as the have a Originally by: CCP Fallout slight advantage.
Tyranosaurus Q	Posted - 2010.05.15 15:33:00 - [118] Thought the whole idea was to release on the 17th on my characters fourth birthday and name it after him
Niccolado Starwalker Gallente Shadow Templars	Posted - 2010.05.15 15:46:00 - [119] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 15/05/2010 15:46:28 Originally by: SirRalph Edited by: SirRalph on 14/05/2010 21:04:11 Originally by: CCP Fallout CCP t0rfifrans gives us an update on the deployment of Tyrannis in his newest dev blog. So no profits from PI for those who have been researching it for past months. Thanks alot... Ranting and inappropriate language removed. Please post in a constructive matter. Zymurgist Its a TEST center. Not "get an advanced start center". The playfield is and should be Tranquility. This is where everything should be decided and things worked out. Also, good decision CCP! Better to take your time and get the expansion as good as possible before going live! Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.
Toldain	Posted - 2010.05.15 17:10:00 - [120] I support the delay, and note that the stated reason for it is scalability/performance, not usability issues. In short, they believe that had they launched on time, the entire cluster would be lagged out with people doing PI. Fixing that is good. The delay even works out well for me, allowing me to get a bit more important training in before I start training the PI skills. However, I'm scratching my head at the claims of "unfair advantage" to those using SISI. I've played EVE for seven months, and the level of unfairness that is tolerated in the game is breathtaking. New players can't fly the best ships, or gain access to the best manufacturing opportunities without months or maybe years of skill training. There are a small number of T2 BPOs, which were once available in the game, and no longer are available via the relatively inexpensive method that produced them, but they still account for half of all T2 production. That's the game you want, so be it. Twenty people can gank one. If you're giving someone a fair fight, you're doing it wrong. That's just EVE, there are tons of stuff that isn't fair. So why the concern that someone who's gone on to the test server and learned something might get a head start? I was a really new player for the last expansion, and SOV changes meant nothing to me. Changes in T2 recipes didn't mean much either. This time, it was something that I wouldn't be way behind other players, so I got on Singularity and studied hard, but now you say, "never mind"?

El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.15 20:55:00 - [121] Originally by: tasman devil yeah... thanks for your concern Mr. Sensitive. Guess You'll be just as ****ed off as I, if you'd recive a 400$ invoice for the cancelled party... Thank you. Won't they let you just switch it to the next week, I mean I assume your still going to have it on patch day? I'd try to talk to the manager and see if they'd let you switch dates. Otherwise I'd just go ahead and have the party :).
tasman devil Amarr Imperium Galactica Omega Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.15 21:51:00 - [122] Edited by: tasman devil on 15/05/2010 21:55:15 Edited by: tasman devil on 15/05/2010 21:53:16 Originally by: El'Niaga Originally by: tasman devil yeah... thanks for your concern Mr. Sensitive. Guess You'll be just as ****ed off as I, if you'd recive a 400$ invoice for the cancelled party... Thank you. Won't they let you just switch it to the next week, I mean I assume your still going to have it on patch day? I'd try to talk to the manager and see if they'd let you switch dates. Otherwise I'd just go ahead and have the party :). yeah .. We have to do the second thing, and have a "kinda lopsided but it's too late to stop the running train" beer party on Tuesday, and have a minor one at the real patch day... It's kinda sad because a lot of HUN people took Wednesday off from work to make our beer parties even more awesome (read: drunk), than they already are... And now it's one less reason to crawl out of their hole and get away from their clone for a couple of hours. As a side note: Bar owners here do not like to switch / move , let alone cancel big (i.e. over 40 peps) happenings because most of them learned the hard way that this is not good for business. So most of them "secured" themselves with advance payments that can be used up or paid back after the dust has settled, and the party is over. (edit: either this advance pay, or your guarantee, that a "minimum", but considerate amount of consummation) ps: If you're interested, look at our drunk faces from Dominion Patch Day Beer Party here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1304168 (this vid is certified as awesome by everyone who was there to show the amount of happiness and beer that was there on that memorable day!) ---------------------------------- Even if you don't belive in God, Be prepared to meet him anytime...
Voyuer	Posted - 2010.05.15 22:19:00 - [123] Dear CCP, As the intent of delaying the Command Center is to ôlevel the playing fieldö for the people that have not done their homework, why not level the field for the time zone as well. The current downtime is biased toward European Time Zones. A simple solution would move the release of the Command center to a weekend for the Americans as well as the European community. Why not move it to a Sunday for EuropeanÆs that would work out to be a Saturday for the Americas. As the date and time stands I will be at a 16 hours disadvantage as it is too late to change my vacation days to correspond to the patch date. If this is the great land rush level the playing field for all. I want to have a Post Release blow out and hangover the next day as well.
Di Mulle	Posted - 2010.05.15 22:51:00 - [124] Originally by: Voyuer Dear CCP, As the intent of delaying the Command Center is to ôlevel the playing fieldö for the people that have not done their homework. It is so funny when people hear only what they want hear. It is so obvious that devs realized they have serious problems with code and need lots of time to polish it. Marketing guys ofc are very unhappy. So they made a compromise and will officially release Tyrannis with all the advertising hype at May 26, while it will still lack its' main component. That fact is further camouflaged with talks about "giving time to look around etc." And thats about it.
Derus Grobb RipStar Mining Industries United Front Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.15 23:31:00 - [125] "Level the playing field" is a smokescreen. PI is not ready and it's being delayed for that reason. It's a good thing, TBH. ---
Diomedes Calypso	Posted - 2010.05.16 00:26:00 - [126] Just to be sure. Are the insurance and mission drop issues also delayed?
jisuzu	Posted - 2010.05.16 01:43:00 - [127] so some people worked and and tried the test server and some people didnt work and didnt use the test server so we need to equalize outcomes. makes perfect sense , remember the game is based in Europe where socialism is all the rage
Diomedes Calypso	Posted - 2010.05.16 02:14:00 - [128] I thought the whole thing was designed not to have any land grab elements to it ? That anyone could enter a planet and that would just increase the denominator of goods for all on it? And aren't there many more thousands of planets than players likely to get into PI in the first year? And, aren't things going to be produced at max rates based on skills sort of like datacores ? And are't resources sort of renewed like asteroid fields or rats... they come back at a fairly predictable spawn rate (yet you can only take up to a limit due to skills as opposed to 'roids where you can mine to your hearts content?) Guess my quick reads over the CCP press releases didn't get me the story. Its not that people on Sisi shouldn't be better but that CCP could present a more detailed user guide... not that there are guides on how to use any ship features though.
Kuseka Adama Gallente Northstar Cabal OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.16 04:26:00 - [129] Originally by: CCP Fallout It's also probably a good time to remind you all that we're having our next stress test tomorrow on Singularity. You can find all the information here. You telling me that the battle in H-W didnt give you enough information? WE HAD MORE PEOPLE THAN FRIGGIN JITA CRAMED IN THERE! Also: I bet that wasnt the only reason for a delay. These Sansha invasions havent happened since before i started playing. There was an IC reason for this. I'm intrested to see what the empire and concord reaction is to capital ships in high sec by the pirate factions. Taking names and kicking ass. All in the search for Bubblegum.
Charles37	Posted - 2010.05.16 05:11:00 - [130] While I won't lie and say that I'm not a little disappointed that the expansion is being pushed back, I think it speaks volumes of the staff behind EVE that they are willing to push back a release that they clearly don't think is ready. Releasing it in a two part package is a nice compromise, although I feel, like many of the other people in this thread, that you should have just said "It isn't ready" instead of giving a thinly veiled excuse of some people getting an "unfair advantage." Hopefully you won't be afraid to do this with future expansions if needed as well. I only speak for myself, but I would much rather see quality features and improvements shipped late then a half baked product that meets a deadline.

Makar Kravchenko	Posted - 2010.05.16 07:16:00 - [131] In 2010 A.D. Tyrants seething lustfully at planets... CCP: What happened! DEV: Somebody set us up the bomb! GM: We get signal. CCP: What?! GM: Main Screen Turn on. CCP: It's you!! Akita: How are you Gentlemen!? Akita: All your command center are belong to us. Akita: You are on the way to destruction! CCP: What you say!? Akita: You have no chance to survive make your time. Akita: Ha Ha Ha Ha! GM: CCP!! CCP: Take off every extractor!! CCP: You know what you doing. CCP: Move Extractor. CCP: For Great Justice. End Transmission.
Lusulpher Blackwater Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.16 08:11:00 - [132] Originally by: Diomedes Calypso Edited by: Diomedes Calypso on 16/05/2010 04:56:22 I thought the whole thing was designed not to have any land grab elements to it ? That anyone could enter a planet and that would just increase the denominator of goods for all on it? And aren't there many more thousands of planets than players likely to get into PI in the first year? And, aren't things going to be produced at max rates based on skills sort of like datacores ? And are't resources sort of renewed like asteroid fields or rats... they come back at a fairly predictable spawn rate (yet you can only take up to a limit due to skills as opposed to 'roids where you can mine to your hearts content?) Guess my quick reads over the CCP press releases didn't get me the story. Well at least I didn't read carefully enough to understand any answers to my questions included. ^This, maybe it's a smokescreen, and we are fortunate. DOminion broke something. And FighterBombers were delayed too. New Mom is still MIA. Count your blessings. Creative Customer Person 7
Deep1	Posted - 2010.05.16 13:39:00 - [133] All in all .. great better to get less bugs later. and honest realy can't see the great benfits for players that have been on test server. we are talking about stuff that current is in unlimitet numbers from NPC'es it's not like you can press the price to extreme levels like the moon stuff in Dominion. And that one learn'et me that good info before a patch just removes some bottelnechs. and i don't see the timezone problem unless you can mine out a planet in hours. but i think that will be fix'et before it hit's live server. This is stuff that requires you to do something every 8 hours if you are going for max profit. about the nuked max skills .. well you have weeks to get on the test-server and train the skills and you will have a more true test of what it will be when it goes live ( your skills on test server will be like they are on live server ).
Lithikus	Posted - 2010.05.16 17:20:00 - [134] I am saddened by this development, but I would rather have a functional release than a broken one. No Rush CCP, your players back you 100%. While your at it perhaps you could throw in some new artwork for decorations(Medals) in corp. The medals are not shiny enough An overhaul on the player management system for CEO's & Directors of corporations in the next few months would be nice too. But all in good time I suppose. Keep up the good work CCP. Still loving the game.
Jilly Serkov	Posted - 2010.05.16 18:19:00 - [135] Please for the love of the game stop putting lipstick on the pig. Its still a pig. Whatever sent large scale fights backwards, please undo it. And if tonights server crash was ANYTHING to do with a badly coded Sanshas "event", well, I don't need to comment do I ? C'mon guys - Get 1000+ pilots in systems running over the whole cluster like Jita runs. Or maybe, as I have heard elsewhere, 0.0 has to bring its fighting to Jita where it might actually be playable ?
Infinion Caldari Endless Destruction Legiunea ROmana	Posted - 2010.05.16 18:35:00 - [136] I have a question about the market seeding. Will the command centres be seeded in pirate npc stations?
Wasteland Baroness	Posted - 2010.05.17 02:22:00 - [137] I have no problem with this. Take the time to get it right. P.S. fleet lag makes the kittens cry tears of blood.
PropheticWarrior	Posted - 2010.05.17 02:56:00 - [138] Unfair advantage? Sisi is open to all pilots, and any pilot learns inside of 6 months to test things on Sisi. Nah, smells like BS to me.
Lykouleon	Posted - 2010.05.17 06:33:00 - [139] Lets fix lag and all that with the simplest possible solution. A scenario: CCP Fallout > Tuxford, why is the ethernet cable connecting Tranquility to our ISP in your hand. CCP Tuxford > The logs show nothing. CCP Fallout > And why is Singularity moved over from the back corner to where Tranquility is. CCP Tuxford > I felt like having a change of scenery. CCP Hammerhead > FREE BEER AND COOKIES IN MY CCP GINGER'S OFFICE!!!!! CCP Tuxford > OM-NOMZ!!! runs CCP Fallout > ...All this beer is going to go straight to my thighs. Two birds with one stone. You get all the pilots you need for adequet testing, and we get to blame Tuxford for something again. Win-win. Quote: CCP Mindstar > Sorry - I've completely messed all that up. lets try again
The Snowman Gallente The Ascension Honourable Templum of Alcedonia	Posted - 2010.05.17 08:21:00 - [140] Thanks for your honesty and being upfront about it CCP. Grats on making the right decision.

Salizar Amolkshue	Posted - 2010.05.17 13:57:00 - [141] Originally by: clixoras ...Tyrannis without PI is just... So, really the expansion is being delayed for most of a month, but the publisher forced you to say it was only a week and hoped that we wouldn't notice that the only thing that came out on patch day is a new model for the Scorpion? Oh, wait, you are the publisher... Not that I'm complaining about the slippage. I would much rather have PI not take down the cluster when everyone logs in and starts dropping command centers on every planet in high-sec on patch day. I just don't see the point of giving us the new model for the Scorpion, and maybe the insurance changes, when the real expansion will happen two weeks (or more) later. Just push the entire expansion and be done with it.
Gabriel Angeloss	Posted - 2010.05.17 14:30:00 - [142] Hello there, Can someone tell me if just, Scorpion goin get new Design on this patch and new shades ? or all BC ships...? thx
Oreth Te	Posted - 2010.05.17 18:13:00 - [143] Originally by: gargars Originally by: Ephemeral Waves Will you be taking that extra week to change EvE-Gate to be an opt-in system? I want to know the answer to this also. I can't believe you would go thru with making people's private info available for viewing by everyone and them having to figure out how to opt out of that. No brainer is make that 'opt in' NOT 'opt out'. Don't mess with people's private information. My main concern is having to use (as I understand) your Eve acc and pwd via a standard browser this surely is simply increasing the vulnerability to a users details and accounts surely you should have seperate account and pasword for the initial external account then once inside the use of your Limited API would be far safer to verify who you are to the acc server. That way you never need to use your main Pwd or Acc ID. better to play safe CCP than chance a major hack of your acc server systems.
Nerad Tendo	Posted - 2010.05.17 19:13:00 - [144] Edited by: Nerad Tendo on 17/05/2010 19:16:52 Originally by: Oreth Te Originally by: gargars Originally by: Ephemeral Waves Will you be taking that extra week to change EvE-Gate to be an opt-in system? I want to know the answer to this also. I can't believe you would go thru with making people's private info available for viewing by everyone and them having to figure out how to opt out of that. No brainer is make that 'opt in' NOT 'opt out'. Don't mess with people's private information. My main concern is having to use (as I understand) your Eve acc and pwd via a standard browser this surely is simply increasing the vulnerability to a users details and accounts surely you should have seperate account and pasword for the initial external account then once inside the use of your Limited API would be far safer to verify who you are to the acc server. That way you never need to use your main Pwd or Acc ID. better to play safe CCP than chance a major hack of your acc server systems. So how is logging into EVE gate different from logging into the forums or even THIS DEV BLOG which all happen in a 'standard' browser... As far as opting out goes, I say the player should have the option of opting out of displaying his information on a per-field basis. e.g. I can show my character name but not how much isk she has, say my corporation name but not how many SP I have, etc.
Klam Amarr FACTS on EVE Veneratio Venator Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.17 22:16:00 - [145] Originally by: tasman devil As the organizer for the Hungarian Patch day beer party I am truly thankful for this "happening". Now I have to figure out a way to amend this situation and Hungarian bars are "absolutely not amused" to say the least when their booking for 70 people gets canceled. Thank you very much CCP! Why don't you still have the party as scheduled? Sounds like you put together a great gathering of Eve players. Have a good time as planned. So what that it doesn't match up perfectly? Fun doesn't need to be perfect.
Irulan Hastur	Posted - 2010.05.18 13:33:00 - [146] Edited by: Irulan Hastur on 18/05/2010 13:34:56 8th is the 65 anniversary of end of WWII, it is ashame to released major part of this extension that day :( Honor your ancestor who give their life for your freedom ! regards,
HeliosGal Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.19 11:28:00 - [147] id rather more refinement less lag Signature - CCP what this game needs is more variance in PVE aspects and a little bit less PVP focus, more content more varied level 1-4 missions more than just 10 per faction high sec low sec and 00
Ded MATAP	Posted - 2010.05.20 04:32:00 - [148] I hope that they bust Hybrids at least... Or rebalance some of totally useless gallente ships. After 3 years of nerfing its time to resore former gallentian glory. Maybe this delay give CCP some time to do so. But more like that NO... And we will cry over most useless command ship one more year.
Mara Devortex	Posted - 2010.05.22 23:05:00 - [149] ccp you gave us the most awesome sci fi sim in a sandbox so don't make excuses or weird compromises when you have to delay an expansion in order to do it right..But I DO want to see more Sansha incursions..:)
5NAKE plisken	Posted - 2010.05.23 01:37:00 - [150] Could anyone answer this please : Any rough eta of how long the downtime will be for the expansion? Will it be a 24 hour time (i'm sure there was one before), or a 12 hour? etc etc. This would be much appreciated, so i can plan my evemon accordingly, (waiting for expansion release before i remap) Many thanks in advance 5nake

Ancy Denaries	Posted - 2010.05.24 04:02:00 - [151] Originally by: Gabriel Angeloss Hello there, Can someone tell me if just, Scorpion goin get new Design on this patch and new shades ? or all BC ships...? thx No BCs are getting overhauled. Just the Scorpion, which is a BS. ---- The Demigodess with a Conscience - An EVE IC Blog Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Rosco Powers	Posted - 2010.05.24 21:03:00 - [152] Originally by: Ancy Denaries Originally by: Gabriel Angeloss Hello there, Can someone tell me if just, Scorpion goin get new Design on this patch and new shades ? or all BC ships...? thx No BCs are getting overhauled. Just the Scorpion, which is a BS. Don't forget that all variants (pirate, faction, and t2) of the Scorpion get the new look as well.


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