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Boz Dura	Posted - 2004.12.06 12:19:00 - [1] Ok CCP. I was peacefully mining away last night in [un-named system] mining HUGE icicles. I created a jet can which my hauler friend couldn't take ore out of until I invited him into my gang, at wich point we were happy as we thought that this meant that the days of ore theivery were over. Wrong. RaSatan from RUS-1 wanders over and empties my whole can minus the 10k that we managed to haul. WHY can friends not access the cans and yet lazy thieving b*****ds can? Care to shed any light? No. Didn't think so. CCP the ever silent.
Boz Dura	Posted - 2004.12.06 12:19:00 - [2] Ok CCP. I was peacefully mining away last night in [un-named system] mining HUGE icicles. I created a jet can which my hauler friend couldn't take ore out of until I invited him into my gang, at wich point we were happy as we thought that this meant that the days of ore theivery were over. Wrong. RaSatan from RUS-1 wanders over and empties my whole can minus the 10k that we managed to haul. WHY can friends not access the cans and yet lazy thieving b*****ds can? Care to shed any light? No. Didn't think so. CCP the ever silent.
Avon	Posted - 2004.12.06 12:24:00 - [3] Lies. Your friend could not put stuff in to the can. That is not the same as taking stuff out. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Avon	Posted - 2004.12.06 12:24:00 - [4] Lies. Your friend could not put stuff in to the can. That is not the same as taking stuff out. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Boz Dura	Posted - 2004.12.06 12:36:00 - [5] What's the bloody point is there in not letting other people put stuff IN your can?! /me starts foaming at the mouth!
Boz Dura	Posted - 2004.12.06 12:36:00 - [6] What's the bloody point is there in not letting other people put stuff IN your can?! /me starts foaming at the mouth!
Drunvalo	Posted - 2004.12.06 12:39:00 - [7] step one: stop crying step two: buy one of these
Drunvalo	Posted - 2004.12.06 12:39:00 - [8] step one: stop crying step two: buy one of these
Manfred Doomhammer	Posted - 2004.12.06 12:45:00 - [9] Originally by: Drunvalo step one: stop crying step two: buy one of these well... as much as i am not concerned by ore thieves in the first place.... folks like you, spouting out the same stereotypical (and in the meantime DUMB) suggestions again and again should be shot on sight also... you might not know.. but these well praised Giant secure cans got pretty much useless with ice harvesting... if you're driving a large barge, you will fill this giant can in a single cycle... so.. get off w**ring the boards and learn about what you talk instead to the original poster... how about you have your hauler friend stay by and pick up the ice... this will minimize the chance of a thief getting it... ---- Manfred Doomhammer Fleet Admiral CEO ShadowTec Inc.
Manfred Doomhammer	Posted - 2004.12.06 12:45:00 - [10] Originally by: Drunvalo step one: stop crying step two: buy one of these well... as much as i am not concerned by ore thieves in the first place.... folks like you, spouting out the same stereotypical (and in the meantime DUMB) suggestions again and again should be shot on sight also... you might not know.. but these well praised Giant secure cans got pretty much useless with ice harvesting... if you're driving a large barge, you will fill this giant can in a single cycle... so.. get off w**ring the boards and learn about what you talk instead to the original poster... how about you have your hauler friend stay by and pick up the ice... this will minimize the chance of a thief getting it... ---- Manfred Doomhammer Fleet Admiral CEO ShadowTec Inc.
Juniper	Posted - 2004.12.06 12:46:00 - [11] Originally by: Drunvalo step one: stop crying step two: buy one of these Sorry, this kind of attitude is really starting to annoy me. People who constantly reply to anyone complaining about ore thievery (lowest of the low in my book) by pointing them to "secure containers" have obviously never mined anything in their lives. A jet can holds 27,500 m3. The largest anchorable container holds 3,900m3 and cannot be anchored within 5km of any other object (including roids). They are absolutely useless for mining. If CCP increased the capacity of secure cans to that of normal jet cans then you might have a point. Otherwise, STFU. Thanks. Love, Juni xxx -- Gotta sell my stuff...
Juniper	Posted - 2004.12.06 12:46:00 - [12] Originally by: Drunvalo step one: stop crying step two: buy one of these Sorry, this kind of attitude is really starting to annoy me. People who constantly reply to anyone complaining about ore thievery (lowest of the low in my book) by pointing them to "secure containers" have obviously never mined anything in their lives. A jet can holds 27,500 m3. The largest anchorable container holds 3,900m3 and cannot be anchored within 5km of any other object (including roids). They are absolutely useless for mining. If CCP increased the capacity of secure cans to that of normal jet cans then you might have a point. Otherwise, STFU. Thanks. Love, Juni xxx -- Gotta sell my stuff...
Iachrites Archveult	Posted - 2004.12.06 12:56:00 - [13] Originally by: Juniper A jet can holds 27,500 m3. The largest anchorable container holds 3,900m3 I mine a lot and this is a fair point so far as it goes (try using more than one...). However, in light of the huge volume of ice it might be time for a colossal secure can, say 6,500 vol with 8,000 capacity (it has to fit in an indy remember so you cannot get them close to a jetcan in capacity). Quote: and cannot be anchored within 5km of any other object (including roids). Eh? How does that add to any putative uselessness for mining? If they couldn't be anchored within 15km you might have a point. Quote: They are absolutely useless for mining. They are actually very useful - don't knock em, we're better off having them than not. Quote: If CCP increased the capacity of secure cans to that of normal jet cans then you might have a point. Otherwise, STFU. As I say, can't happen because you couldn't transport the things. I mine, he has some kind of a point, however infelicitously he puts it, and the point is answerable by pointing out that ice volumes change the game somewhat and mean there is a need for another step up in secure can sizes. Iac
Iachrites Archveult	Posted - 2004.12.06 12:56:00 - [14] Originally by: Juniper A jet can holds 27,500 m3. The largest anchorable container holds 3,900m3 I mine a lot and this is a fair point so far as it goes (try using more than one...). However, in light of the huge volume of ice it might be time for a colossal secure can, say 6,500 vol with 8,000 capacity (it has to fit in an indy remember so you cannot get them close to a jetcan in capacity). Quote: and cannot be anchored within 5km of any other object (including roids). Eh? How does that add to any putative uselessness for mining? If they couldn't be anchored within 15km you might have a point. Quote: They are absolutely useless for mining. They are actually very useful - don't knock em, we're better off having them than not. Quote: If CCP increased the capacity of secure cans to that of normal jet cans then you might have a point. Otherwise, STFU. As I say, can't happen because you couldn't transport the things. I mine, he has some kind of a point, however infelicitously he puts it, and the point is answerable by pointing out that ice volumes change the game somewhat and mean there is a need for another step up in secure can sizes. Iac
Eletro Bull	Posted - 2004.12.06 12:58:00 - [15] There are two main points to prevent ore thevies from taking ur stuff: Create another can and rapidly exchange the ore between the two and If you are mining with a bs, or a mate is, approach the ore theif at full speed + mwd, and let the ping-pong physics take care of the rest (this is only a temporary solution) ________________________________________________
Eletro Bull	Posted - 2004.12.06 12:58:00 - [16] There are two main points to prevent ore thevies from taking ur stuff: Create another can and rapidly exchange the ore between the two and If you are mining with a bs, or a mate is, approach the ore theif at full speed + mwd, and let the ping-pong physics take care of the rest (this is only a temporary solution) ________________________________________________
Hestel	Posted - 2004.12.06 12:59:00 - [17] yep lies u cant mine 10k ice as 1 unit takes 10 mins
Hestel	Posted - 2004.12.06 12:59:00 - [18] yep lies u cant mine 10k ice as 1 unit takes 10 mins
Manfred Doomhammer	Posted - 2004.12.06 13:00:00 - [19] Edited by: Manfred Doomhammer on 06/12/2004 13:06:23 Originally by: Eletro Bull There are two main points to prevent ore thevies from taking ur stuff: Create another can and rapidly exchange the ore between the two and If you are mining with a bs, or a mate is, approach the ore theif at full speed + mwd, and let the ping-pong physics take care of the rest (this is only a temporary solution) #1 will work until the tief empties whatever keeps one of the cans alive, and then simply empties the other as you got nowhere to move the ore too.... #2 wont work at all anymore, as bouncing got nerfed... Originally by: Hestel yep lies u cant mine 10k ice as 1 unit takes 10 mins well.. it would just mean he mined 69.4 days non stop.... on the other hand, even a jet can can only hold 27 units of ice... ---- Manfred Doomhammer Fleet Admiral CEO ShadowTec Inc.
Manfred Doomhammer	Posted - 2004.12.06 13:00:00 - [20] Edited by: Manfred Doomhammer on 06/12/2004 13:06:23 Originally by: Eletro Bull There are two main points to prevent ore thevies from taking ur stuff: Create another can and rapidly exchange the ore between the two and If you are mining with a bs, or a mate is, approach the ore theif at full speed + mwd, and let the ping-pong physics take care of the rest (this is only a temporary solution) #1 will work until the tief empties whatever keeps one of the cans alive, and then simply empties the other as you got nowhere to move the ore too.... #2 wont work at all anymore, as bouncing got nerfed... Originally by: Hestel yep lies u cant mine 10k ice as 1 unit takes 10 mins well.. it would just mean he mined 69.4 days non stop.... on the other hand, even a jet can can only hold 27 units of ice... ---- Manfred Doomhammer Fleet Admiral CEO ShadowTec Inc.
Tenaj	Posted - 2004.12.06 13:02:00 - [21] Originally by: Juniper A jet can holds 27,500 m3. The largest anchorable container holds 3,900m3 and cannot be anchored within 5km of any other object (including roids). They are absolutely useless for mining. I completely agree. You should all continue to use jet cans. I don't think that any self respecting miner would be seen dead with one of those awful secure containers. Channel TOOKURSTUFF, serving the Criminal community.
Tenaj	Posted - 2004.12.06 13:02:00 - [22] Originally by: Juniper A jet can holds 27,500 m3. The largest anchorable container holds 3,900m3 and cannot be anchored within 5km of any other object (including roids). They are absolutely useless for mining. I completely agree. You should all continue to use jet cans. I don't think that any self respecting miner would be seen dead with one of those awful secure containers. Channel TOOKURSTUFF, serving the Criminal community.
Ashton Black	Posted - 2004.12.06 13:04:00 - [23] Originally by: Hestel yep lies u cant mine 10k ice as 1 unit takes 10 mins He never said anthing about how long he was mining for BEFORE the ore thief came. I find it funny, that the other justification (and one used by the devs) is that jettisoning is 'throwing away somthing' and therefore 'not belonging to anyone' yet.... you try shooting this 'rubbish' in empire and see how long it takes CONCORD to get there claiming that you shot 'someone else's property.'
Ashton Black	Posted - 2004.12.06 13:04:00 - [24] Originally by: Hestel yep lies u cant mine 10k ice as 1 unit takes 10 mins He never said anthing about how long he was mining for BEFORE the ore thief came. I find it funny, that the other justification (and one used by the devs) is that jettisoning is 'throwing away somthing' and therefore 'not belonging to anyone' yet.... you try shooting this 'rubbish' in empire and see how long it takes CONCORD to get there claiming that you shot 'someone else's property.'
Iachrites Archveult	Posted - 2004.12.06 13:04:00 - [25] Originally by: Hestel yep lies u cant mine 10k ice as 1 unit takes 10 mins He almost certainly meant 10k m3 which equals 10 units of ice and a lot of time spent mining. Don't be so quick to shout 'lies'. Iac
Iachrites Archveult	Posted - 2004.12.06 13:04:00 - [26] Originally by: Hestel yep lies u cant mine 10k ice as 1 unit takes 10 mins He almost certainly meant 10k m3 which equals 10 units of ice and a lot of time spent mining. Don't be so quick to shout 'lies'. Iac
Drunvalo	Posted - 2004.12.06 13:06:00 - [27]
Drunvalo	Posted - 2004.12.06 13:06:00 - [28]
Haratu	Posted - 2004.12.06 13:37:00 - [29] Mining ice it is probably not much less efficient to haul the ice directly back to a nearby station rather than putting it in a storage can. I roleplay... there is this computer game called "Earth - The First Genesis" where i play a character in the early 21st century.
Haratu	Posted - 2004.12.06 13:37:00 - [30] Mining ice it is probably not much less efficient to haul the ice directly back to a nearby station rather than putting it in a storage can. I roleplay... there is this computer game called "Earth - The First Genesis" where i play a character in the early 21st century.

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