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Pezzar	Posted - 2004.12.06 23:58:00 - [31] If you want to play with the big toys, I'm sorry but you got to earn them. All that money can pay for alot of ice to be supplyed to you.
Pezzar	Posted - 2004.12.06 23:58:00 - [32] If you want to play with the big toys, I'm sorry but you got to earn them. All that money can pay for alot of ice to be supplyed to you.
meoff	Posted - 2004.12.07 00:10:00 - [33] Edited by: meoff on 07/12/2004 00:14:03 Bye, don't slip on the ice... BTW to fix means to correct something that is broke/not right. There is nothing wrong with the Ice where it is now. You just need to get off your Arse and pay for it, or come out here and spend a week mining the stuff.
meoff	Posted - 2004.12.07 00:10:00 - [34] Edited by: meoff on 07/12/2004 00:14:03 Bye, don't slip on the ice... BTW to fix means to correct something that is broke/not right. There is nothing wrong with the Ice where it is now. You just need to get off your Arse and pay for it, or come out here and spend a week mining the stuff.
FFubar Frog	Posted - 2004.12.07 01:29:00 - [35] You setup a station miles away from a ready fuel source, and now you want them to alter the game so its located at your doorstep so you dont have to move
FFubar Frog	Posted - 2004.12.07 01:29:00 - [36] You setup a station miles away from a ready fuel source, and now you want them to alter the game so its located at your doorstep so you dont have to move
Naverin	Posted - 2004.12.07 02:23:00 - [37] MY interpretation of Shiva/Exodus was to make 0.0 space more accessable for corporations by giving them a place to dock/refine as well as small scale production of items especially ammo that a corp might need out in 0.0 space.. I guess I was expecting to haul a starbase 60 jumps out like i did... Set it up in a nice system with an ice belt or an ice belt nearby.. setup a refinery and limited production and mine out there and build and basicly not need to deal much with NPC Conquerable stations and the pirate gankings that occure around them.. now if its that hard to comprehend that POS's should be easily sustainable in DEEP 0.0 space.. then you sir are a carebear and need to stay in empire forever.. Clearly Ive missinterpreted what was to be expected with shiva.. My bad.. ill just go cry in my corner cause i dont want to sit the ** in empire mining ice in safe boring space for a Pos 60 jumps out in bumble** land.. that is all..
Naverin	Posted - 2004.12.07 02:23:00 - [38] MY interpretation of Shiva/Exodus was to make 0.0 space more accessable for corporations by giving them a place to dock/refine as well as small scale production of items especially ammo that a corp might need out in 0.0 space.. I guess I was expecting to haul a starbase 60 jumps out like i did... Set it up in a nice system with an ice belt or an ice belt nearby.. setup a refinery and limited production and mine out there and build and basicly not need to deal much with NPC Conquerable stations and the pirate gankings that occure around them.. now if its that hard to comprehend that POS's should be easily sustainable in DEEP 0.0 space.. then you sir are a carebear and need to stay in empire forever.. Clearly Ive missinterpreted what was to be expected with shiva.. My bad.. ill just go cry in my corner cause i dont want to sit the ** in empire mining ice in safe boring space for a Pos 60 jumps out in bumble** land.. that is all..
Senkoomtep	Posted - 2004.12.07 02:32:00 - [39] Originally by: Naverin For one I assume the risk of Living in deep space... right now I operate 60 Jumps out of empire.. I have a POS which is offline and unusable atm sence I cant harvest enough ice in deep space to run it.. For the Risk I have access to high end ore which I can inturn Mine and help my corps production.. For the Risk I Should have access to High Iso bearing Ice .. Simple as that.. anyone can setup a pos in a .3 with good ice 1-2 jumps away with 0 and i mean 0 risk of getting shot down on the way.. I however have to Haul 60 jumps to my area?.. through 0.0 with pirates alliances and many other nasties.. NOT including Highend NPC's in the belts.. Granted I cant have everything and I dont have easy access to Empire's NPC markets or other player's goods.. I give that up by living out in deep space.. Give me the ice i need... Simple as that.. AND All you whiners saying Oh you cant have everything... Come live out in 0.0 space 60+ jumps from the first empire zone... and then you tell me how much fun it is when you need to mine the "Lowgrade" ice to run your Pos.. Then you can and have my permission to come back here and say Oh its not that bad if you really think that.. Tell ya what...when I get mega and zyd in empire, you can have good ice in 0. Fair trade? ___________________________________________ "Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed"
Senkoomtep	Posted - 2004.12.07 02:32:00 - [40] Originally by: Naverin For one I assume the risk of Living in deep space... right now I operate 60 Jumps out of empire.. I have a POS which is offline and unusable atm sence I cant harvest enough ice in deep space to run it.. For the Risk I have access to high end ore which I can inturn Mine and help my corps production.. For the Risk I Should have access to High Iso bearing Ice .. Simple as that.. anyone can setup a pos in a .3 with good ice 1-2 jumps away with 0 and i mean 0 risk of getting shot down on the way.. I however have to Haul 60 jumps to my area?.. through 0.0 with pirates alliances and many other nasties.. NOT including Highend NPC's in the belts.. Granted I cant have everything and I dont have easy access to Empire's NPC markets or other player's goods.. I give that up by living out in deep space.. Give me the ice i need... Simple as that.. AND All you whiners saying Oh you cant have everything... Come live out in 0.0 space 60+ jumps from the first empire zone... and then you tell me how much fun it is when you need to mine the "Lowgrade" ice to run your Pos.. Then you can and have my permission to come back here and say Oh its not that bad if you really think that.. Tell ya what...when I get mega and zyd in empire, you can have good ice in 0. Fair trade? ___________________________________________ "Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed"
Drunvalo	Posted - 2004.12.07 02:39:00 - [41] Edited by: Drunvalo on 07/12/2004 02:41:59 Originally by: Naverin ill just go cry in my corner cause i dont want to sit the ** in empire mining ice in safe boring space for a Pos 60 jumps out in bumble** land.. enjoy
Drunvalo	Posted - 2004.12.07 02:39:00 - [42] Edited by: Drunvalo on 07/12/2004 02:41:59 Originally by: Naverin ill just go cry in my corner cause i dont want to sit the ** in empire mining ice in safe boring space for a Pos 60 jumps out in bumble** land.. enjoy
The Chef	Posted - 2004.12.07 02:56:00 - [43] Ice in empire is to encourage TRADE. Hire someone to mine and deliver the ice to you. If you are so far out in 0.0 space (I didn't realise there was anywhere 60 jumps away from empire), you should have loads of great minerals (Zyd/Mega). Trade them or sell them. Duh... Why do people always want everything done for them? Do some work you slackers! ==================================== EVEkill Visit our homepage
The Chef	Posted - 2004.12.07 02:56:00 - [44] Ice in empire is to encourage TRADE. Hire someone to mine and deliver the ice to you. If you are so far out in 0.0 space (I didn't realise there was anywhere 60 jumps away from empire), you should have loads of great minerals (Zyd/Mega). Trade them or sell them. Duh... Why do people always want everything done for them? Do some work you slackers! ==================================== EVEkill Visit our homepage
Archbishop	Posted - 2004.12.07 03:22:00 - [45] I understand your upset about hauling stuff 60 jumps. Actually you might be better to post in this thread its eight pages long and has some excellent (non-flame) posts. GOOD THREAD ON ICE SITUATION I've posted on page 4 (suggestions how to make it work) and page 7 (reasons it should stay this way). Still its clear. This is good for the economy. Mining and hauling companies can contract with alliances to provide ice and hauling services. Just as those in Empire pay for Zydrine and Megacyte now those in 0.0 can pay for ice materials. For ages the isk has flowed only one way. Empire to Alliance. Now it is balanced. This is a good thing. Archbishop VISIT THE PIE HOMEPAGE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Archbishop	Posted - 2004.12.07 03:22:00 - [46] I understand your upset about hauling stuff 60 jumps. Actually you might be better to post in this thread its eight pages long and has some excellent (non-flame) posts. GOOD THREAD ON ICE SITUATION I've posted on page 4 (suggestions how to make it work) and page 7 (reasons it should stay this way). Still its clear. This is good for the economy. Mining and hauling companies can contract with alliances to provide ice and hauling services. Just as those in Empire pay for Zydrine and Megacyte now those in 0.0 can pay for ice materials. For ages the isk has flowed only one way. Empire to Alliance. Now it is balanced. This is a good thing. Archbishop VISIT THE PIE HOMEPAGE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Armaged	Posted - 2004.12.07 03:52:00 - [47] Originally by: Naverin Im NOT paying someone who can sit in safe space and mine good ice for Isotopes... the ISO RICH ore should be in deep space where its harder to get/mine... and no you cant have my 3 battleships and Starbase.. My guess is it's an attempt by CCP to enforce trade betwixt 0.0 and empire. All I cna say is...it's about damned time! There should be a steady stream of materials / people flowing back and forth between empire and 0.0 Get used to it or get lost.... About all I can say.
Armaged	Posted - 2004.12.07 03:52:00 - [48] Originally by: Naverin Im NOT paying someone who can sit in safe space and mine good ice for Isotopes... the ISO RICH ore should be in deep space where its harder to get/mine... and no you cant have my 3 battleships and Starbase.. My guess is it's an attempt by CCP to enforce trade betwixt 0.0 and empire. All I cna say is...it's about damned time! There should be a steady stream of materials / people flowing back and forth between empire and 0.0 Get used to it or get lost.... About all I can say.
Sokudo	Posted - 2004.12.07 07:52:00 - [49] Hehe... I think what CCP is basically saying now is "Either adapt and deal with those you insult by calling carebears, or don't have your own POS... the choice is yours..." I'm sick of being called a carebear simply because I spend time in Empire space. That choice is mine - I've already had a couple of offers for ice products, so that message about adapting is getting through to some of the more forward-thinking corps... I'd suggest that the others hurry up and choose before the ice miners are all contracted.
Sokudo	Posted - 2004.12.07 07:52:00 - [50] Hehe... I think what CCP is basically saying now is "Either adapt and deal with those you insult by calling carebears, or don't have your own POS... the choice is yours..." I'm sick of being called a carebear simply because I spend time in Empire space. That choice is mine - I've already had a couple of offers for ice products, so that message about adapting is getting through to some of the more forward-thinking corps... I'd suggest that the others hurry up and choose before the ice miners are all contracted.
Miss Gally	Posted - 2004.12.07 09:16:00 - [51] heh fool put a eta on ur death. u wanna set up a pos that far out thats ur loss. my corp has a pos. in 0.1 and there are right ice belts here. and 1 system away a station full of the other non minable products. thats why u get for pos and setting one up so far.
Miss Gally	Posted - 2004.12.07 09:16:00 - [52] heh fool put a eta on ur death. u wanna set up a pos that far out thats ur loss. my corp has a pos. in 0.1 and there are right ice belts here. and 1 system away a station full of the other non minable products. thats why u get for pos and setting one up so far.
Thyro	Posted - 2004.12.07 09:56:00 - [53] Originally by: Acturon Low space = higher yield of the rarer ores Secure space = higher yields of ice But chances to find all anywhere, so what exactly is the gripe ? Maybe instead of paying, you could set up a trade ? But I guess that people in 0.0 would prefer like this... Low space = higher yield of ICE Secure space = higher yields of rare ORE Well puting in this terms I rather like the idea of redistributing everything But then we will see again those "richy boys" of low space winning again for a new redistribution... coz not only want rare ORE but also rare ICE in their door step.
Thyro	Posted - 2004.12.07 09:56:00 - [54] Originally by: Acturon Low space = higher yield of the rarer ores Secure space = higher yields of ice But chances to find all anywhere, so what exactly is the gripe ? Maybe instead of paying, you could set up a trade ? But I guess that people in 0.0 would prefer like this... Low space = higher yield of ICE Secure space = higher yields of rare ORE Well puting in this terms I rather like the idea of redistributing everything But then we will see again those "richy boys" of low space winning again for a new redistribution... coz not only want rare ORE but also rare ICE in their door step.
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.12.07 10:07:00 - [55] I thought these whining no point threads were getting locked? don't let us down now mods! dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.12.07 10:07:00 - [56] I thought these whining no point threads were getting locked? don't let us down now mods! dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
corporal hicks	Posted - 2004.12.07 10:14:00 - [57] 60 jumps! change control tower, your proble4m is your control tower V's region. The ice isotopes in the area's are based on the class of pirates, ie Fountain yeilds the isotopes required for Serpentis/gallente towers, curse area ect for Arcangels/minnie, stain and fix ect for bloods/Amarr and PA/Bob ect for Guiristas/caldari. Just put up the correct tower or move area's. " Stay Frosty "
corporal hicks	Posted - 2004.12.07 10:14:00 - [58] 60 jumps! change control tower, your proble4m is your control tower V's region. The ice isotopes in the area's are based on the class of pirates, ie Fountain yeilds the isotopes required for Serpentis/gallente towers, curse area ect for Arcangels/minnie, stain and fix ect for bloods/Amarr and PA/Bob ect for Guiristas/caldari. Just put up the correct tower or move area's. " Stay Frosty "
jason hill	Posted - 2004.12.07 11:17:00 - [59] Originally by: Naverin Hauling Isotopes 60 jumps to where my Starbase is not equal to FUN ... ive canceled all 3 of my accounts and will stop playing when they run out if Better Isotope ice isnt put into Deep 0.0 space.. Give me an ETA and I might reacivate.. Why dont you get in touch with me ingame I would be my than happy to trade some of my ICE for some of your rare ores .But im damned if gonna do a 50 jump stint on 0.0. .But I will meet you at mutually agrreable station Or is the thought of trading with an empire miner beneath you ?. "THE HUMAN SHIELD"
jason hill	Posted - 2004.12.07 11:17:00 - [60] Originally by: Naverin Hauling Isotopes 60 jumps to where my Starbase is not equal to FUN ... ive canceled all 3 of my accounts and will stop playing when they run out if Better Isotope ice isnt put into Deep 0.0 space.. Give me an ETA and I might reacivate.. Why dont you get in touch with me ingame I would be my than happy to trade some of my ICE for some of your rare ores .But im damned if gonna do a 50 jump stint on 0.0. .But I will meet you at mutually agrreable station Or is the thought of trading with an empire miner beneath you ?. "THE HUMAN SHIELD"

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