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Naverin	Posted - 2004.12.06 21:48:00 - [1] Hauling Isotopes 60 jumps to where my Starbase is not equal to FUN ... ive canceled all 3 of my accounts and will stop playing when they run out if Better Isotope ice isnt put into Deep 0.0 space.. Give me an ETA and I might reacivate..
Naverin	Posted - 2004.12.06 21:48:00 - [2] Hauling Isotopes 60 jumps to where my Starbase is not equal to FUN ... ive canceled all 3 of my accounts and will stop playing when they run out if Better Isotope ice isnt put into Deep 0.0 space.. Give me an ETA and I might reacivate..
Thyro	Posted - 2004.12.06 21:49:00 - [3] Originally by: Naverin Hauling Isotopes 60 jumps to where my Starbase is not equal to FUN ... ive canceled all 3 of my accounts and will stop playing when they run out if Better Isotope ice isnt put into Deep 0.0 space.. Give me an ETA and I might reacivate.. the ETA = make trade deals with small corporations on the empire and u set your own ETA only depend on u!
Thyro	Posted - 2004.12.06 21:49:00 - [4] Originally by: Naverin Hauling Isotopes 60 jumps to where my Starbase is not equal to FUN ... ive canceled all 3 of my accounts and will stop playing when they run out if Better Isotope ice isnt put into Deep 0.0 space.. Give me an ETA and I might reacivate.. the ETA = make trade deals with small corporations on the empire and u set your own ETA only depend on u!
Silex D'Arden	Posted - 2004.12.06 21:50:00 - [5] Originally by: Naverin Hauling Isotopes 60 jumps to where my Starbase is not equal to FUN ... ive canceled all 3 of my accounts and will stop playing when they run out if Better Isotope ice isnt put into Deep 0.0 space.. Give me an ETA and I might reacivate.. can i have your stuff?
Silex D'Arden	Posted - 2004.12.06 21:50:00 - [6] Originally by: Naverin Hauling Isotopes 60 jumps to where my Starbase is not equal to FUN ... ive canceled all 3 of my accounts and will stop playing when they run out if Better Isotope ice isnt put into Deep 0.0 space.. Give me an ETA and I might reacivate.. can i have your stuff?
Naverin	Posted - 2004.12.06 21:51:00 - [7] Im NOT paying someone who can sit in safe space and mine good ice for Isotopes... the ISO RICH ore should be in deep space where its harder to get/mine... and no you cant have my 3 battleships and Starbase..
Naverin	Posted - 2004.12.06 21:51:00 - [8] Im NOT paying someone who can sit in safe space and mine good ice for Isotopes... the ISO RICH ore should be in deep space where its harder to get/mine... and no you cant have my 3 battleships and Starbase..
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.12.06 21:57:00 - [9] Oooohoo 3 whole BS and a starbase. /me cries out in awe Right. You need to learn you cant do it all alone. Buy the fecking isotopes and pay for em with moon extracted materials. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.12.06 21:57:00 - [10] Oooohoo 3 whole BS and a starbase. /me cries out in awe Right. You need to learn you cant do it all alone. Buy the fecking isotopes and pay for em with moon extracted materials. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Myyona	Posted - 2004.12.06 21:58:00 - [11] Why won't you pay the poor guy who's spending hour after hour looking at a chunk of ice? You should have far more than enough from all those rare minerals, NPC bounties and commander loot you have collected. +----------------------------------+ Food and shelter save lifes, guns doesn't.
Myyona	Posted - 2004.12.06 21:58:00 - [12] Why won't you pay the poor guy who's spending hour after hour looking at a chunk of ice? You should have far more than enough from all those rare minerals, NPC bounties and commander loot you have collected. +----------------------------------+ Food and shelter save lifes, guns doesn't.
flummox	Posted - 2004.12.06 22:07:00 - [13] Quote: Hauling Isotopes 60 jumps to where my Starbase is not equal to FUN ... ive canceled all 3 of my accounts and will stop playing when they run out if Better Isotope ice isnt put into Deep 0.0 space.. Hauling Mega/Zyd 60 jumps to where my Factory is not equal to FUN ... quit whining. you are making yourself more pathetic... there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on...
flummox	Posted - 2004.12.06 22:07:00 - [14] Quote: Hauling Isotopes 60 jumps to where my Starbase is not equal to FUN ... ive canceled all 3 of my accounts and will stop playing when they run out if Better Isotope ice isnt put into Deep 0.0 space.. Hauling Mega/Zyd 60 jumps to where my Factory is not equal to FUN ... quit whining. you are making yourself more pathetic... there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on...
Thyro	Posted - 2004.12.06 22:09:00 - [15] Originally by: Naverin Im NOT paying someone who can sit in safe space and mine good ice for Isotopes... the ISO RICH ore should be in deep space where its harder to get/mine... and no you cant have my 3 battleships and Starbase.. That reveals who Idiot you are... So if u dont pay Isk to someone to carry Ice to u why on Earth should you get ICE under your ARSZ in Deep Space?
Thyro	Posted - 2004.12.06 22:09:00 - [16] Originally by: Naverin Im NOT paying someone who can sit in safe space and mine good ice for Isotopes... the ISO RICH ore should be in deep space where its harder to get/mine... and no you cant have my 3 battleships and Starbase.. That reveals who Idiot you are... So if u dont pay Isk to someone to carry Ice to u why on Earth should you get ICE under your ARSZ in Deep Space?
Naverin	Posted - 2004.12.06 22:22:00 - [17] For one I assume the risk of Living in deep space... right now I operate 60 Jumps out of empire.. I have a POS which is offline and unusable atm sence I cant harvest enough ice in deep space to run it.. For the Risk I have access to high end ore which I can inturn Mine and help my corps production.. For the Risk I Should have access to High Iso bearing Ice .. Simple as that.. anyone can setup a pos in a .3 with good ice 1-2 jumps away with 0 and i mean 0 risk of getting shot down on the way.. I however have to Haul 60 jumps to my area?.. through 0.0 with pirates alliances and many other nasties.. NOT including Highend NPC's in the belts.. Granted I cant have everything and I dont have easy access to Empire's NPC markets or other player's goods.. I give that up by living out in deep space.. Give me the ice i need... Simple as that.. AND All you whiners saying Oh you cant have everything... Come live out in 0.0 space 60+ jumps from the first empire zone... and then you tell me how much fun it is when you need to mine the "Lowgrade" ice to run your Pos.. Then you can and have my permission to come back here and say Oh its not that bad if you really think that..
Naverin	Posted - 2004.12.06 22:22:00 - [18] For one I assume the risk of Living in deep space... right now I operate 60 Jumps out of empire.. I have a POS which is offline and unusable atm sence I cant harvest enough ice in deep space to run it.. For the Risk I have access to high end ore which I can inturn Mine and help my corps production.. For the Risk I Should have access to High Iso bearing Ice .. Simple as that.. anyone can setup a pos in a .3 with good ice 1-2 jumps away with 0 and i mean 0 risk of getting shot down on the way.. I however have to Haul 60 jumps to my area?.. through 0.0 with pirates alliances and many other nasties.. NOT including Highend NPC's in the belts.. Granted I cant have everything and I dont have easy access to Empire's NPC markets or other player's goods.. I give that up by living out in deep space.. Give me the ice i need... Simple as that.. AND All you whiners saying Oh you cant have everything... Come live out in 0.0 space 60+ jumps from the first empire zone... and then you tell me how much fun it is when you need to mine the "Lowgrade" ice to run your Pos.. Then you can and have my permission to come back here and say Oh its not that bad if you really think that..
Rthor	Posted - 2004.12.06 22:25:00 - [19] Hey this looks like a good thread in which to post my gripe so it can be noticed by CCP: I still have not won any Tech 2 ship BPOs. CCP either I win very soon or I stop playing.
Rthor	Posted - 2004.12.06 22:25:00 - [20] Hey this looks like a good thread in which to post my gripe so it can be noticed by CCP: I still have not won any Tech 2 ship BPOs. CCP either I win very soon or I stop playing.
Aion Amarra	Posted - 2004.12.06 22:29:00 - [21] Originally by: Rthor Hey this looks like a good thread in which to post my gripe so it can be noticed by CCP: I still have not won any Tech 2 ship BPOs. CCP either I win very soon or I stop playing. ... was that a joke or serious? Neways. Cope with it. Players are protesting because of that since Exodus came out. However I didn't see any response by CCP yet. I'd think upping the Isotope yield in the 0.0 Belts to 100-150 would be a fair deal.
Aion Amarra	Posted - 2004.12.06 22:29:00 - [22] Originally by: Rthor Hey this looks like a good thread in which to post my gripe so it can be noticed by CCP: I still have not won any Tech 2 ship BPOs. CCP either I win very soon or I stop playing. ... was that a joke or serious? Neways. Cope with it. Players are protesting because of that since Exodus came out. However I didn't see any response by CCP yet. I'd think upping the Isotope yield in the 0.0 Belts to 100-150 would be a fair deal.
Rthor	Posted - 2004.12.06 22:32:00 - [23] No joke that comes with a manual is a good one.
Rthor	Posted - 2004.12.06 22:32:00 - [24] No joke that comes with a manual is a good one.
Acturon	Posted - 2004.12.06 22:38:00 - [25] Low space = higher yield of the rarer ores Secure space = higher yields of ice But chances to find all anywhere, so what exactly is the gripe ? Maybe instead of paying, you could set up a trade ? Acturon, CEO of Contorta Lamna
Acturon	Posted - 2004.12.06 22:38:00 - [26] Low space = higher yield of the rarer ores Secure space = higher yields of ice But chances to find all anywhere, so what exactly is the gripe ? Maybe instead of paying, you could set up a trade ? Acturon, CEO of Contorta Lamna
Dewar Scrabulous	Posted - 2004.12.06 23:23:00 - [27] The way I understand it, all the ice that you think should be in 0.0 space is in fact low grade. The isotopes required to run a starbase aren't the best ice products out there. You're pretty much asking your asteroid fields to yeild Scordite. -Dewar ---
Dewar Scrabulous	Posted - 2004.12.06 23:23:00 - [28] The way I understand it, all the ice that you think should be in 0.0 space is in fact low grade. The isotopes required to run a starbase aren't the best ice products out there. You're pretty much asking your asteroid fields to yeild Scordite. -Dewar ---
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.12.06 23:31:00 - [29] Originally by: Naverin For one I assume the risk of Living in deep space... right now I operate 60 Jumps out of empire.. I have a POS which is offline and unusable atm sence I cant harvest enough ice in deep space to run it.. For the Risk I have access to high end ore which I can inturn Mine and help my corps production.. For the Risk I Should have access to High Iso bearing Ice .. Simple as that.. anyone can setup a pos in a .3 with good ice 1-2 jumps away with 0 and i mean 0 risk of getting shot down on the way.. I however have to Haul 60 jumps to my area?.. through 0.0 with pirates alliances and many other nasties.. NOT including Highend NPC's in the belts.. Granted I cant have everything and I dont have easy access to Empire's NPC markets or other player's goods.. I give that up by living out in deep space.. Give me the ice i need... Simple as that.. AND All you whiners saying Oh you cant have everything... Come live out in 0.0 space 60+ jumps from the first empire zone... and then you tell me how much fun it is when you need to mine the "Lowgrade" ice to run your Pos.. Then you can and have my permission to come back here and say Oh its not that bad if you really think that.. 1. I do live out in 0.0 and have for the last year or so. 2. Why are you talking in the first person ? You are not meaning to say you've got your personal POS in 0.0 and want to be able to run that on your fecking own do you ? 3. It's quite easy really. You've got your pos in 0.0. You produce whatever them moons make you produce and sell that (no you cant make your own components with one pos). Alternatively, your pos is your deepspace refinery and staging ground since you are very out of the way. You could mine ark there for all I care. Now, what you do is the following. You mine ark all day, refine it, haul the megacyte to empire and bring isotopes back up. Or your corp hauls 5 indies worth of megacyte to empire one day (escorted and all) and brings back 10 full of isotopes. To be repeated monthly. Sorry it's not easy, but I dn't think it's supposed to be. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.12.06 23:31:00 - [30] Originally by: Naverin For one I assume the risk of Living in deep space... right now I operate 60 Jumps out of empire.. I have a POS which is offline and unusable atm sence I cant harvest enough ice in deep space to run it.. For the Risk I have access to high end ore which I can inturn Mine and help my corps production.. For the Risk I Should have access to High Iso bearing Ice .. Simple as that.. anyone can setup a pos in a .3 with good ice 1-2 jumps away with 0 and i mean 0 risk of getting shot down on the way.. I however have to Haul 60 jumps to my area?.. through 0.0 with pirates alliances and many other nasties.. NOT including Highend NPC's in the belts.. Granted I cant have everything and I dont have easy access to Empire's NPC markets or other player's goods.. I give that up by living out in deep space.. Give me the ice i need... Simple as that.. AND All you whiners saying Oh you cant have everything... Come live out in 0.0 space 60+ jumps from the first empire zone... and then you tell me how much fun it is when you need to mine the "Lowgrade" ice to run your Pos.. Then you can and have my permission to come back here and say Oh its not that bad if you really think that.. 1. I do live out in 0.0 and have for the last year or so. 2. Why are you talking in the first person ? You are not meaning to say you've got your personal POS in 0.0 and want to be able to run that on your fecking own do you ? 3. It's quite easy really. You've got your pos in 0.0. You produce whatever them moons make you produce and sell that (no you cant make your own components with one pos). Alternatively, your pos is your deepspace refinery and staging ground since you are very out of the way. You could mine ark there for all I care. Now, what you do is the following. You mine ark all day, refine it, haul the megacyte to empire and bring isotopes back up. Or your corp hauls 5 indies worth of megacyte to empire one day (escorted and all) and brings back 10 full of isotopes. To be repeated monthly. Sorry it's not easy, but I dn't think it's supposed to be. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Pezzar	Posted - 2004.12.06 23:58:00 - [31] If you want to play with the big toys, I'm sorry but you got to earn them. All that money can pay for alot of ice to be supplyed to you.
Pezzar	Posted - 2004.12.06 23:58:00 - [32] If you want to play with the big toys, I'm sorry but you got to earn them. All that money can pay for alot of ice to be supplyed to you.
meoff	Posted - 2004.12.07 00:10:00 - [33] Edited by: meoff on 07/12/2004 00:14:03 Bye, don't slip on the ice... BTW to fix means to correct something that is broke/not right. There is nothing wrong with the Ice where it is now. You just need to get off your Arse and pay for it, or come out here and spend a week mining the stuff.
meoff	Posted - 2004.12.07 00:10:00 - [34] Edited by: meoff on 07/12/2004 00:14:03 Bye, don't slip on the ice... BTW to fix means to correct something that is broke/not right. There is nothing wrong with the Ice where it is now. You just need to get off your Arse and pay for it, or come out here and spend a week mining the stuff.
FFubar Frog	Posted - 2004.12.07 01:29:00 - [35] You setup a station miles away from a ready fuel source, and now you want them to alter the game so its located at your doorstep so you dont have to move
FFubar Frog	Posted - 2004.12.07 01:29:00 - [36] You setup a station miles away from a ready fuel source, and now you want them to alter the game so its located at your doorstep so you dont have to move
Naverin	Posted - 2004.12.07 02:23:00 - [37] MY interpretation of Shiva/Exodus was to make 0.0 space more accessable for corporations by giving them a place to dock/refine as well as small scale production of items especially ammo that a corp might need out in 0.0 space.. I guess I was expecting to haul a starbase 60 jumps out like i did... Set it up in a nice system with an ice belt or an ice belt nearby.. setup a refinery and limited production and mine out there and build and basicly not need to deal much with NPC Conquerable stations and the pirate gankings that occure around them.. now if its that hard to comprehend that POS's should be easily sustainable in DEEP 0.0 space.. then you sir are a carebear and need to stay in empire forever.. Clearly Ive missinterpreted what was to be expected with shiva.. My bad.. ill just go cry in my corner cause i dont want to sit the ** in empire mining ice in safe boring space for a Pos 60 jumps out in bumble** land.. that is all..
Naverin	Posted - 2004.12.07 02:23:00 - [38] MY interpretation of Shiva/Exodus was to make 0.0 space more accessable for corporations by giving them a place to dock/refine as well as small scale production of items especially ammo that a corp might need out in 0.0 space.. I guess I was expecting to haul a starbase 60 jumps out like i did... Set it up in a nice system with an ice belt or an ice belt nearby.. setup a refinery and limited production and mine out there and build and basicly not need to deal much with NPC Conquerable stations and the pirate gankings that occure around them.. now if its that hard to comprehend that POS's should be easily sustainable in DEEP 0.0 space.. then you sir are a carebear and need to stay in empire forever.. Clearly Ive missinterpreted what was to be expected with shiva.. My bad.. ill just go cry in my corner cause i dont want to sit the ** in empire mining ice in safe boring space for a Pos 60 jumps out in bumble** land.. that is all..
Senkoomtep	Posted - 2004.12.07 02:32:00 - [39] Originally by: Naverin For one I assume the risk of Living in deep space... right now I operate 60 Jumps out of empire.. I have a POS which is offline and unusable atm sence I cant harvest enough ice in deep space to run it.. For the Risk I have access to high end ore which I can inturn Mine and help my corps production.. For the Risk I Should have access to High Iso bearing Ice .. Simple as that.. anyone can setup a pos in a .3 with good ice 1-2 jumps away with 0 and i mean 0 risk of getting shot down on the way.. I however have to Haul 60 jumps to my area?.. through 0.0 with pirates alliances and many other nasties.. NOT including Highend NPC's in the belts.. Granted I cant have everything and I dont have easy access to Empire's NPC markets or other player's goods.. I give that up by living out in deep space.. Give me the ice i need... Simple as that.. AND All you whiners saying Oh you cant have everything... Come live out in 0.0 space 60+ jumps from the first empire zone... and then you tell me how much fun it is when you need to mine the "Lowgrade" ice to run your Pos.. Then you can and have my permission to come back here and say Oh its not that bad if you really think that.. Tell ya what...when I get mega and zyd in empire, you can have good ice in 0. Fair trade? ___________________________________________ "Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed"
Senkoomtep	Posted - 2004.12.07 02:32:00 - [40] Originally by: Naverin For one I assume the risk of Living in deep space... right now I operate 60 Jumps out of empire.. I have a POS which is offline and unusable atm sence I cant harvest enough ice in deep space to run it.. For the Risk I have access to high end ore which I can inturn Mine and help my corps production.. For the Risk I Should have access to High Iso bearing Ice .. Simple as that.. anyone can setup a pos in a .3 with good ice 1-2 jumps away with 0 and i mean 0 risk of getting shot down on the way.. I however have to Haul 60 jumps to my area?.. through 0.0 with pirates alliances and many other nasties.. NOT including Highend NPC's in the belts.. Granted I cant have everything and I dont have easy access to Empire's NPC markets or other player's goods.. I give that up by living out in deep space.. Give me the ice i need... Simple as that.. AND All you whiners saying Oh you cant have everything... Come live out in 0.0 space 60+ jumps from the first empire zone... and then you tell me how much fun it is when you need to mine the "Lowgrade" ice to run your Pos.. Then you can and have my permission to come back here and say Oh its not that bad if you really think that.. Tell ya what...when I get mega and zyd in empire, you can have good ice in 0. Fair trade? ___________________________________________ "Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed"
Drunvalo	Posted - 2004.12.07 02:39:00 - [41] Edited by: Drunvalo on 07/12/2004 02:41:59 Originally by: Naverin ill just go cry in my corner cause i dont want to sit the ** in empire mining ice in safe boring space for a Pos 60 jumps out in bumble** land.. enjoy
Drunvalo	Posted - 2004.12.07 02:39:00 - [42] Edited by: Drunvalo on 07/12/2004 02:41:59 Originally by: Naverin ill just go cry in my corner cause i dont want to sit the ** in empire mining ice in safe boring space for a Pos 60 jumps out in bumble** land.. enjoy
The Chef	Posted - 2004.12.07 02:56:00 - [43] Ice in empire is to encourage TRADE. Hire someone to mine and deliver the ice to you. If you are so far out in 0.0 space (I didn't realise there was anywhere 60 jumps away from empire), you should have loads of great minerals (Zyd/Mega). Trade them or sell them. Duh... Why do people always want everything done for them? Do some work you slackers! ==================================== EVEkill Visit our homepage
The Chef	Posted - 2004.12.07 02:56:00 - [44] Ice in empire is to encourage TRADE. Hire someone to mine and deliver the ice to you. If you are so far out in 0.0 space (I didn't realise there was anywhere 60 jumps away from empire), you should have loads of great minerals (Zyd/Mega). Trade them or sell them. Duh... Why do people always want everything done for them? Do some work you slackers! ==================================== EVEkill Visit our homepage
Archbishop	Posted - 2004.12.07 03:22:00 - [45] I understand your upset about hauling stuff 60 jumps. Actually you might be better to post in this thread its eight pages long and has some excellent (non-flame) posts. GOOD THREAD ON ICE SITUATION I've posted on page 4 (suggestions how to make it work) and page 7 (reasons it should stay this way). Still its clear. This is good for the economy. Mining and hauling companies can contract with alliances to provide ice and hauling services. Just as those in Empire pay for Zydrine and Megacyte now those in 0.0 can pay for ice materials. For ages the isk has flowed only one way. Empire to Alliance. Now it is balanced. This is a good thing. Archbishop VISIT THE PIE HOMEPAGE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Archbishop	Posted - 2004.12.07 03:22:00 - [46] I understand your upset about hauling stuff 60 jumps. Actually you might be better to post in this thread its eight pages long and has some excellent (non-flame) posts. GOOD THREAD ON ICE SITUATION I've posted on page 4 (suggestions how to make it work) and page 7 (reasons it should stay this way). Still its clear. This is good for the economy. Mining and hauling companies can contract with alliances to provide ice and hauling services. Just as those in Empire pay for Zydrine and Megacyte now those in 0.0 can pay for ice materials. For ages the isk has flowed only one way. Empire to Alliance. Now it is balanced. This is a good thing. Archbishop VISIT THE PIE HOMEPAGE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Armaged	Posted - 2004.12.07 03:52:00 - [47] Originally by: Naverin Im NOT paying someone who can sit in safe space and mine good ice for Isotopes... the ISO RICH ore should be in deep space where its harder to get/mine... and no you cant have my 3 battleships and Starbase.. My guess is it's an attempt by CCP to enforce trade betwixt 0.0 and empire. All I cna say is...it's about damned time! There should be a steady stream of materials / people flowing back and forth between empire and 0.0 Get used to it or get lost.... About all I can say.
Armaged	Posted - 2004.12.07 03:52:00 - [48] Originally by: Naverin Im NOT paying someone who can sit in safe space and mine good ice for Isotopes... the ISO RICH ore should be in deep space where its harder to get/mine... and no you cant have my 3 battleships and Starbase.. My guess is it's an attempt by CCP to enforce trade betwixt 0.0 and empire. All I cna say is...it's about damned time! There should be a steady stream of materials / people flowing back and forth between empire and 0.0 Get used to it or get lost.... About all I can say.
Sokudo	Posted - 2004.12.07 07:52:00 - [49] Hehe... I think what CCP is basically saying now is "Either adapt and deal with those you insult by calling carebears, or don't have your own POS... the choice is yours..." I'm sick of being called a carebear simply because I spend time in Empire space. That choice is mine - I've already had a couple of offers for ice products, so that message about adapting is getting through to some of the more forward-thinking corps... I'd suggest that the others hurry up and choose before the ice miners are all contracted.
Sokudo	Posted - 2004.12.07 07:52:00 - [50] Hehe... I think what CCP is basically saying now is "Either adapt and deal with those you insult by calling carebears, or don't have your own POS... the choice is yours..." I'm sick of being called a carebear simply because I spend time in Empire space. That choice is mine - I've already had a couple of offers for ice products, so that message about adapting is getting through to some of the more forward-thinking corps... I'd suggest that the others hurry up and choose before the ice miners are all contracted.
Miss Gally	Posted - 2004.12.07 09:16:00 - [51] heh fool put a eta on ur death. u wanna set up a pos that far out thats ur loss. my corp has a pos. in 0.1 and there are right ice belts here. and 1 system away a station full of the other non minable products. thats why u get for pos and setting one up so far.
Miss Gally	Posted - 2004.12.07 09:16:00 - [52] heh fool put a eta on ur death. u wanna set up a pos that far out thats ur loss. my corp has a pos. in 0.1 and there are right ice belts here. and 1 system away a station full of the other non minable products. thats why u get for pos and setting one up so far.
Thyro	Posted - 2004.12.07 09:56:00 - [53] Originally by: Acturon Low space = higher yield of the rarer ores Secure space = higher yields of ice But chances to find all anywhere, so what exactly is the gripe ? Maybe instead of paying, you could set up a trade ? But I guess that people in 0.0 would prefer like this... Low space = higher yield of ICE Secure space = higher yields of rare ORE Well puting in this terms I rather like the idea of redistributing everything But then we will see again those "richy boys" of low space winning again for a new redistribution... coz not only want rare ORE but also rare ICE in their door step.
Thyro	Posted - 2004.12.07 09:56:00 - [54] Originally by: Acturon Low space = higher yield of the rarer ores Secure space = higher yields of ice But chances to find all anywhere, so what exactly is the gripe ? Maybe instead of paying, you could set up a trade ? But I guess that people in 0.0 would prefer like this... Low space = higher yield of ICE Secure space = higher yields of rare ORE Well puting in this terms I rather like the idea of redistributing everything But then we will see again those "richy boys" of low space winning again for a new redistribution... coz not only want rare ORE but also rare ICE in their door step.
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.12.07 10:07:00 - [55] I thought these whining no point threads were getting locked? don't let us down now mods! dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.12.07 10:07:00 - [56] I thought these whining no point threads were getting locked? don't let us down now mods! dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
corporal hicks	Posted - 2004.12.07 10:14:00 - [57] 60 jumps! change control tower, your proble4m is your control tower V's region. The ice isotopes in the area's are based on the class of pirates, ie Fountain yeilds the isotopes required for Serpentis/gallente towers, curse area ect for Arcangels/minnie, stain and fix ect for bloods/Amarr and PA/Bob ect for Guiristas/caldari. Just put up the correct tower or move area's. " Stay Frosty "
corporal hicks	Posted - 2004.12.07 10:14:00 - [58] 60 jumps! change control tower, your proble4m is your control tower V's region. The ice isotopes in the area's are based on the class of pirates, ie Fountain yeilds the isotopes required for Serpentis/gallente towers, curse area ect for Arcangels/minnie, stain and fix ect for bloods/Amarr and PA/Bob ect for Guiristas/caldari. Just put up the correct tower or move area's. " Stay Frosty "
jason hill	Posted - 2004.12.07 11:17:00 - [59] Originally by: Naverin Hauling Isotopes 60 jumps to where my Starbase is not equal to FUN ... ive canceled all 3 of my accounts and will stop playing when they run out if Better Isotope ice isnt put into Deep 0.0 space.. Give me an ETA and I might reacivate.. Why dont you get in touch with me ingame I would be my than happy to trade some of my ICE for some of your rare ores .But im damned if gonna do a 50 jump stint on 0.0. .But I will meet you at mutually agrreable station Or is the thought of trading with an empire miner beneath you ?. "THE HUMAN SHIELD"
jason hill	Posted - 2004.12.07 11:17:00 - [60] Originally by: Naverin Hauling Isotopes 60 jumps to where my Starbase is not equal to FUN ... ive canceled all 3 of my accounts and will stop playing when they run out if Better Isotope ice isnt put into Deep 0.0 space.. Give me an ETA and I might reacivate.. Why dont you get in touch with me ingame I would be my than happy to trade some of my ICE for some of your rare ores .But im damned if gonna do a 50 jump stint on 0.0. .But I will meet you at mutually agrreable station Or is the thought of trading with an empire miner beneath you ?. "THE HUMAN SHIELD"
Killer Gandry	Posted - 2004.12.07 12:15:00 - [61] Howmuch do you make an hour mining Ark and such? Howmuch does a player make mining Ice and such? If I look at it I think you could mine in a few days enough to buy the isotopes you need to run your POS and even have someone deliver the crap to you. The people mining the Ice however have to spend a lot more work and efford to mine it all for you compared to the Mega and Zyd your bringing in. So if I compare the both you would still make loads of ISK mining the Morphite, Mega and Zyd, buying the isotopes and even have them delivered at your doorstep. Yes, you will see a derease in your regular income for some time. But prices in Isotopes will go down because there will be many contracts on mining and delivery of Isotopes. Mining for 100 mill in Morphite, mega and Zyd is way faster then for 100 mill in Isotopes. Plus the fact that some rare Isotopes are only available in risky space so you have yet another trade commodity at hand to squeeze ISK out of the Empire miners. If you work it out well and plan, use good logistics and such in the long run you will be out even better because you can start cornering the T2 production aswell since you can make amounts of T2 comps at whim and thus set prices. Yes this will take time and initial effort. But didn't conquering your alliance space take time and effort aswell to begin with? Better to try and fail, then to fail due to not trying
Killer Gandry	Posted - 2004.12.07 12:15:00 - [62] Howmuch do you make an hour mining Ark and such? Howmuch does a player make mining Ice and such? If I look at it I think you could mine in a few days enough to buy the isotopes you need to run your POS and even have someone deliver the crap to you. The people mining the Ice however have to spend a lot more work and efford to mine it all for you compared to the Mega and Zyd your bringing in. So if I compare the both you would still make loads of ISK mining the Morphite, Mega and Zyd, buying the isotopes and even have them delivered at your doorstep. Yes, you will see a derease in your regular income for some time. But prices in Isotopes will go down because there will be many contracts on mining and delivery of Isotopes. Mining for 100 mill in Morphite, mega and Zyd is way faster then for 100 mill in Isotopes. Plus the fact that some rare Isotopes are only available in risky space so you have yet another trade commodity at hand to squeeze ISK out of the Empire miners. If you work it out well and plan, use good logistics and such in the long run you will be out even better because you can start cornering the T2 production aswell since you can make amounts of T2 comps at whim and thus set prices. Yes this will take time and initial effort. But didn't conquering your alliance space take time and effort aswell to begin with? Better to try and fail, then to fail due to not trying
Rasputin Baba	Posted - 2004.12.07 12:15:00 - [63] Wow, a hostage situation. I'm sure the basques won't be any part of this ridiculous claim though.
Rasputin Baba	Posted - 2004.12.07 12:15:00 - [64] Wow, a hostage situation. I'm sure the basques won't be any part of this ridiculous claim though.
Xthril Ranger	Posted - 2004.12.07 12:31:00 - [65] I think both the thread starter and me thought Exodus will bring something fun to the Game with POS and stuff. But as long as I can't take part in every aspect of running a POS (in reasonable time) it aint fun to run. It just becomes a tool. And I am not going to bother with something that requires so much work if it aint fun. If I could mine it locally it would make stuff a little better. I guess someone have said this already , but since there is no voting on this forum I have to make a full post somewhere to say what I think about it.
Xthril Ranger	Posted - 2004.12.07 12:31:00 - [66] I think both the thread starter and me thought Exodus will bring something fun to the Game with POS and stuff. But as long as I can't take part in every aspect of running a POS (in reasonable time) it aint fun to run. It just becomes a tool. And I am not going to bother with something that requires so much work if it aint fun. If I could mine it locally it would make stuff a little better. I guess someone have said this already , but since there is no voting on this forum I have to make a full post somewhere to say what I think about it.
IRONCLAD	Posted - 2004.12.07 12:55:00 - [67] Theirs better things to whine about.
IRONCLAD	Posted - 2004.12.07 12:55:00 - [68] Theirs better things to whine about.
Eneroth	Posted - 2004.12.07 13:10:00 - [69] Well its much better if u have corp mates that can help you. Not supposed to be easy/cheap to run stations/starbase. Its for ppl that work as a TEAM. -Any fool can pull a trigger.-
Eneroth	Posted - 2004.12.07 13:10:00 - [70] Well its much better if u have corp mates that can help you. Not supposed to be easy/cheap to run stations/starbase. Its for ppl that work as a TEAM. -Any fool can pull a trigger.-
Stront3h	Posted - 2004.12.07 13:18:00 - [71] Edited by: Stront3h on 07/12/2004 13:30:24 Originally by: Naverin For the Risk I have access to high end ore which I can inturn Mine and help my corps production.. For the Risk I Should have access to High Iso bearing Ice .. Simple as that.. anyone can setup a pos in a .3 with good ice 1-2 jumps away with 0 and i mean 0 risk of getting shot down on the way.. I however have to Haul 60 jumps to my area?.. through 0.0 with pirates alliances and many other nasties.. NOT including Highend NPC's in the belts.. Granted I cant have everything and I dont have easy access to Empire's NPC markets or other player's goods.. I give that up by living out in deep space.. Give me the ice i need... Simple as that.. Sorry but you are a typical reflection of todays society, you want it all and you want it now. - Consume/greed You didnÆt really put any planning or preparation into this did you? No... Otherwise you'd have realised before you plonked your base down 60 jump in-the-middle-of-nowhere, that there wasn't the materials needed locally to sustain a POS. Now instead of admitting that, you come here and complain that you want all the required materials to be placed on your doorstep. Now, as has been stated elsewhere, unless you are some mega corp running a POS isn't going to be easy. The game is moving towards smaller corps having to specialise in certain areas of the game and this would be where your ice miners/traders come in. Make contracts, interact with other corps, adapt, overcome or fail, the choice is yours. You're too narrow minded to see the bigger picture intended, just like every other person moaning about ice in 0.0 Don't come here and whine because of your own poor decision.
Stront3h	Posted - 2004.12.07 13:18:00 - [72] Edited by: Stront3h on 07/12/2004 13:30:24 Originally by: Naverin For the Risk I have access to high end ore which I can inturn Mine and help my corps production.. For the Risk I Should have access to High Iso bearing Ice .. Simple as that.. anyone can setup a pos in a .3 with good ice 1-2 jumps away with 0 and i mean 0 risk of getting shot down on the way.. I however have to Haul 60 jumps to my area?.. through 0.0 with pirates alliances and many other nasties.. NOT including Highend NPC's in the belts.. Granted I cant have everything and I dont have easy access to Empire's NPC markets or other player's goods.. I give that up by living out in deep space.. Give me the ice i need... Simple as that.. Sorry but you are a typical reflection of todays society, you want it all and you want it now. - Consume/greed You didnÆt really put any planning or preparation into this did you? No... Otherwise you'd have realised before you plonked your base down 60 jump in-the-middle-of-nowhere, that there wasn't the materials needed locally to sustain a POS. Now instead of admitting that, you come here and complain that you want all the required materials to be placed on your doorstep. Now, as has been stated elsewhere, unless you are some mega corp running a POS isn't going to be easy. The game is moving towards smaller corps having to specialise in certain areas of the game and this would be where your ice miners/traders come in. Make contracts, interact with other corps, adapt, overcome or fail, the choice is yours. You're too narrow minded to see the bigger picture intended, just like every other person moaning about ice in 0.0 Don't come here and whine because of your own poor decision.
flummox	Posted - 2004.12.07 20:48:00 - [73] Originally by: Naverin For one I assume the risk of Living in deep space... right now I operate 60 Jumps out of empire.. I have a POS which is offline and unusable atm sence I cant harvest enough ice in deep space to run it.. For the Risk I have access to high end ore which I can inturn Mine and help my corps production.. For the Risk I Should have access to High Iso bearing Ice .. Simple as that.. anyone can setup a pos in a .3 with good ice 1-2 jumps away with 0 and i mean 0 risk of getting shot down on the way.. I however have to Haul 60 jumps to my area?.. through 0.0 with pirates alliances and many other nasties.. NOT including Highend NPC's in the belts.. Granted I cant have everything and I dont have easy access to Empire's NPC markets or other player's goods.. I give that up by living out in deep space.. Give me the ice i need... Simple as that.. AND All you whiners saying Oh you cant have everything... Come live out in 0.0 space 60+ jumps from the first empire zone... and then you tell me how much fun it is when you need to mine the "Lowgrade" ice to run your Pos.. Then you can and have my permission to come back here and say Oh its not that bad if you really think that.. * points at bolded text... i would love to, man. too bad everyone is 0.0 space is way too stingy to let others come and play. 0.0 dwellers turn away good pilots every single day. i've been out there, and have been asked, told, and threatened to leave. it's not cool at all. but, hey, that's the way it is. my 60+ jumps is riddled with pirates, chokepoints, npc rats, undockable player stations, and paranoid alliances. your 60+ jumps has CONCORD and gate rats equivilent to the bunny in everquest... big whip! t3h r4bb1t 0wns j00, n0ob! there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on...
flummox	Posted - 2004.12.07 20:48:00 - [74] Originally by: Naverin For one I assume the risk of Living in deep space... right now I operate 60 Jumps out of empire.. I have a POS which is offline and unusable atm sence I cant harvest enough ice in deep space to run it.. For the Risk I have access to high end ore which I can inturn Mine and help my corps production.. For the Risk I Should have access to High Iso bearing Ice .. Simple as that.. anyone can setup a pos in a .3 with good ice 1-2 jumps away with 0 and i mean 0 risk of getting shot down on the way.. I however have to Haul 60 jumps to my area?.. through 0.0 with pirates alliances and many other nasties.. NOT including Highend NPC's in the belts.. Granted I cant have everything and I dont have easy access to Empire's NPC markets or other player's goods.. I give that up by living out in deep space.. Give me the ice i need... Simple as that.. AND All you whiners saying Oh you cant have everything... Come live out in 0.0 space 60+ jumps from the first empire zone... and then you tell me how much fun it is when you need to mine the "Lowgrade" ice to run your Pos.. Then you can and have my permission to come back here and say Oh its not that bad if you really think that.. * points at bolded text... i would love to, man. too bad everyone is 0.0 space is way too stingy to let others come and play. 0.0 dwellers turn away good pilots every single day. i've been out there, and have been asked, told, and threatened to leave. it's not cool at all. but, hey, that's the way it is. my 60+ jumps is riddled with pirates, chokepoints, npc rats, undockable player stations, and paranoid alliances. your 60+ jumps has CONCORD and gate rats equivilent to the bunny in everquest... big whip! t3h r4bb1t 0wns j00, n0ob! there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on...

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