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TeaDaze Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2010.05.21 13:34:00 - [31] I know a number of people with multiple accounts who split their votes between candidates they liked. Of course there is a chance that splitting votes too much means none of your voted for candidates gets in, but that is the risk you take. TeaDaze.net

CCP Diagoras C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.21 14:02:00 - [32] Updated first post with: Some wonderful graphs of times that votes were cast, first votes per day: And votes per hour of the day: _______________ CCP Diagoras Research and Statistics

Dragon Greg	Posted - 2010.05.21 14:55:00 - [33] Edited by: Dragon Greg on 21/05/2010 15:01:28 Interesting, that really shines and interesting light on those first 3 days of mass trade hub spamming with direct links to vote for Ankh, and the static order of the list with her on top? Would be neat to find out if there is a relation there in the numbers. Also: you broke the forum layout
Korvin Gallente Shadow Kingdom	Posted - 2010.05.21 15:02:00 - [34] Edited by: Korvin on 21/05/2010 15:03:30 Originally by: Dragon Greg Edited by: Dragon Greg on 21/05/2010 15:01:28 Interesting, that really shines and interesting light on those first 3 days of mass trade hub spamming with direct links to vote for Ankh, and the static order of the list with her on top? Would be neat to find out if there is a relation there in the numbers. Also: you broke the forum layout That 3 days was also before the weekend.
TeaDaze Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2010.05.21 15:51:00 - [35] Originally by: CCP Diagoras <snip> At last we get the official blue graphs! Excellent, though now I have to find something else to joke about TeaDaze.net
Meissa Anunthiel Redshift Industrial Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2010.05.21 17:17:00 - [36] Another potential interesting graph to make? Where the voters cast their vote (or where their clone is set to). 3 characters per account, but I guess you can go with the character that has the most SP. Maybe post the difference between the votes of the candidates who got in vs the candidates who didn't as well. See if the claim that "it's only 0.0 people who are interested in the CSM is valid". Age of characters who abstained vs age of people who voted for someone would be interesting as well (to see if abstains are all "bitter vets") As far as the previous graphs go, the first 3 days don't correspond to "spamming in local", I think, I believe they correspond to the "natural voter base" of people. People who knew before the elections started who they'd vote for, while the rest of the days are people who got convinced to vote for this candidate or that one.
Ashina Sito Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.05.21 17:45:00 - [37] Originally by: CCP Diagoras Updated first post with: Some wonderful graphs of times that votes were cast, first votes per day: Very interesting. This was something I wanted to see. I was not expecting to see such a large number of voters at the last minute.... and as I typed this I realized how dumb of an assumption that was. Human beings always wait till the last minute for everything. Still the number is significant. My interest is that it might be worth it to reduce the election time, or not. Guess it does not matter much ether way. Thanks for the graphs. My CSM Election Announcement
Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.05.21 18:54:00 - [38] Edited by: Dariah Stardweller on 21/05/2010 18:55:01 Originally by: TeaDaze I know a number of people with multiple accounts who split their votes between candidates they liked. Lot's of ppl seem to do that, considered it myself for a long time too. Edit: oh, and yay \o/ on the increasing voter numbers.
Musical Fist Gallente The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.21 20:12:00 - [39] Cat wins and Ankh loses or I will erupt another volcano, just saying
Karma Vortex Incorporated	Posted - 2010.05.21 20:16:00 - [40] Originally by: T'Amber And the CPP said unto the playerbase, "Why do you cry to Me? Tell the children of the Eve Gate to go forward." "lift up high your rage, and stretch out your hand over the sea of tears and divide it. And the children of eden shall go on dry ground through the midst of the sea of tears." And this is how it happened. Then Karma stretched out her hand over the sea of tears; and the CCP caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind smelling slightly of sulphurish ash all thought the night , and made of the sea of tears into a dry land, and the peoples were divided. I'm not a 'her'. otherwise it is correct.
Trimutius III Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.21 20:51:00 - [41] 1260 for 9-th place... That a pretty competition... But i really hope that i haven't wasted my 4 votes (i have 4 accounts) and candidate for whom i voted will be in CSM for 2nd time, especially considering really big help to Russian community from him and his past achievements... (Guess who i voted for. Though it's pretty obvious and not hard to find out even if it isn't obvious) And about blue graphs. It is interesting that number of whats during DT is pretty higher then just befor DT and just after DT ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius
Konoch Caldari Northstar Cabal OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.21 23:03:00 - [42] T'amber from a personal standpoint concerning your lottery i'm disappointed but also because your one of the better people in eve and you'd do a heck of a job as a primary. For whatever reason if your vote counter on that website is accurate your not even an alternate this time around. I can only assume powerblock voting is involved and i'm truly sorry to see that happen. The CSM is inherently flawed by the overwhelming influence of mega alliances and powerblocks. Unless CCP is willing do something to address this, more and more its going to become very clear that its a joke to even vote. While there was a spike in voting i believe that this was forced by the NC and SC conflict as people in both groups try to get their people on the council with the potential of affecting the war. I am sorry to see that my vote is inherently wasted.
TeaDaze Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2010.05.21 23:25:00 - [43] Originally by: Konoch The CSM is inherently flawed by the overwhelming influence of mega alliances and powerblocks. Unless CCP is willing do something to address this, more and more its going to become very clear that its a joke to even vote. While there was a spike in voting i believe that this was forced by the NC and SC conflict as people in both groups try to get their people on the council with the potential of affecting the war. I am sorry to see that my vote is inherently wasted. Considering the actual results haven't been released I wouldn't cry mega alliance blob foul just yet. In CSM4 only around 4 of the 9 delegates (or 6 of the 14 if you include the alternates) were from large alliances... TeaDaze.net
Konoch Caldari Northstar Cabal OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.21 23:29:00 - [44] Originally by: TeaDaze Originally by: Konoch The CSM is inherently flawed by the overwhelming influence of mega alliances and powerblocks. Unless CCP is willing do something to address this, more and more its going to become very clear that its a joke to even vote. While there was a spike in voting i believe that this was forced by the NC and SC conflict as people in both groups try to get their people on the council with the potential of affecting the war. I am sorry to see that my vote is inherently wasted. Considering the actual results haven't been released I wouldn't cry mega alliance blob foul just yet. In CSM4 only around 4 of the 9 delegates (or 6 of the 14 if you include the alternates) were from large alliances... There wasnt a full scale war on then like there is right now. Increases the likely hood and the voterspike for me is cause for concern not joy.
Fon Revedhort Monks of War Monks of War.	Posted - 2010.05.22 00:00:00 - [45] Originally by: Dillon Arklight A quick thought about the increased voting turnout. I was wondering how many players with multiple accounts only voted with one of them. Personally i have multiple accounts but i don't like the idea of casting more than one vote as it dosen't seem democratic. I know its probbaly impossible to tell how many people voted more than once but its something to consider when looking at the voting statistics. You're talking as if democracy in its modern form is something good It's pretty fine you can affect the game in the same proportion you're already supporting it via your subs. Also considering that less than 20% actually voted, we can safely state that these elections resemble true democracy of the past in a significantly better way, than stupid one man = one vote mass elections. Only the most worthy (and those who actually care) are taking part, that's a good thing. Don't be a fool. ---[center] Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
cBOLTSON Caldari Shadow Legion. Talos Coalition	Posted - 2010.05.22 00:17:00 - [46] Originally by: Dillon Arklight A quick thought about the increased voting turnout. I was wondering how many players with multiple accounts only voted with one of them. Personally i have multiple accounts but i don't like the idea of casting more than one vote as it dosen't seem democratic. I know its probbaly impossible to tell how many people voted more than once but its something to consider when looking at the voting statistics. I can honestly say that I voted with only one account, (I have two), however I had no real idea about the candidates and went purely of what they wrote in that little 'blurb' thingy next to each of the characters pictures in the voting page. HINT- people that wrote nothing or very little didnt exactly command any respect... o_0
William Mill3r	Posted - 2010.05.22 00:54:00 - [47] Originally by: Mynxee I miss your podcast I voted for you, mostly because there was a voice behind the words, but I liked your background and ideas too, took me one hour to go throught all the list...you were quite down near the end if I remember. I hope you got it I would feel like I bet on the right horse
Geana Tem Gallente The Order of Symbolic Measures	Posted - 2010.05.22 01:34:00 - [48] Mynxee won my vote by the sound of her voice alone... and her thoughts on UI Issues - but mostly her voice. Must be some Sansha mind trick going on because now I'm her willing slave... Go Mynx-ee! Go Mynx-ee! :: geeky cheerleader-esq bop ::
Verran Skarne Shadowfire Enterprises	Posted - 2010.05.22 01:36:00 - [49] The voter numbers are very interesting. I have been playing since before the inception of the CSM, but this is the first CSM election I have voted in. This was primarily because in the past I have felt like CSM discussions focused very heavily on affairs in 0.0 space and factional warfare - and while I feel that those are important parts of the game, they're not parts of the game that I'm active in right now. I was nearly one of the abstaining masses this time too, but the increased campaigning, along with the article in Massively, actually got me to look at some of the issues the candidates were bringing up. Based on that I decided that I should vote. I will say that it was a difficult choice, and that I only voted with one of my three accounts, because I didn't feel quite right getting 3x the votes that someone else might get. I'm still just one player. That's just a personal thing though. Anyway, looking forward to seeing the winners next week, and to seeing what the new CSM can accomplish this time.
KentV	Posted - 2010.05.22 03:20:00 - [50] I'd be kind of curious to see where the votes came from such as how many accounts in Britain, US, Russia, Germany, etc. voted. Also did they vote mostly for folks from their own nations, or was it spread around pretty well. I just dig demographic data like that. I would also be curious what the fictional demographics were in that how many came from Caldari, Minmatar, Amarr, and Gallente. It would be kind of funny if the Gallente had the worst turnout, considering they are the only "democratic" empire. It would also be fun to see what fictional races got the most same race support. Technically shouldn't Tibus Heth win in a landslide of Caldari voters everytime. Tibus Heth on the CSM might be pretty interesting.
Dlardrageth ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.22 04:52:00 - [51] Originally by: Konoch Originally by: TeaDaze Originally by: Konoch The CSM is inherently flawed by the overwhelming influence of mega alliances and powerblocks. Unless CCP is willing do something to address this, more and more its going to become very clear that its a joke to even vote. While there was a spike in voting i believe that this was forced by the NC and SC conflict as people in both groups try to get their people on the council with the potential of affecting the war. I am sorry to see that my vote is inherently wasted. Considering the actual results haven't been released I wouldn't cry mega alliance blob foul just yet. In CSM4 only around 4 of the 9 delegates (or 6 of the 14 if you include the alternates) were from large alliances... There wasnt a full scale war on then like there is right now. Increases the likely hood and the voterspike for me is cause for concern not joy. Confirming that all the "mega alliances" members did/do have nothing else worry about. I mean, hey, we all know the CSM seats are most vital to 0.0 gameplay and outcome of nullsec wars and stuff, right? Who cares about being able to get a decent fight when you can vote instead?
Konoch Caldari Northstar Cabal OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.22 05:51:00 - [52] Originally by: Dlardrageth Originally by: Konoch Originally by: TeaDaze Originally by: Konoch The CSM is inherently flawed by the overwhelming influence of mega alliances and powerblocks. Unless CCP is willing do something to address this, more and more its going to become very clear that its a joke to even vote. While there was a spike in voting i believe that this was forced by the NC and SC conflict as people in both groups try to get their people on the council with the potential of affecting the war. I am sorry to see that my vote is inherently wasted. Considering the actual results haven't been released I wouldn't cry mega alliance blob foul just yet. In CSM4 only around 4 of the 9 delegates (or 6 of the 14 if you include the alternates) were from large alliances... There wasnt a full scale war on then like there is right now. Increases the likely hood and the voterspike for me is cause for concern not joy. Confirming that all the "mega alliances" members did/do have nothing else worry about. I mean, hey, we all know the CSM seats are most vital to 0.0 gameplay and outcome of nullsec wars and stuff, right? Who cares about being able to get a decent fight when you can vote instead? Its called taking any advantage you can get a hold of. Please do not try to act as you people have the high ground. Anyone who keeps any kind of tabs on what's going on knows the score and knows how bad it is right now. The influence you could exercise on the game through the CSM to trip the odds in your favor makes it far more likely in these times that alliance leadership would move to have its members vote for their candidate. I wont believe otherwise till i see names. But this spike in the votes and the heavy zero sec outlook in the past and its effects leads me to believe that's exactly what happened. Anyone in the war knows the score. I don't need to re-hash that out here. While i hate it. To be honest you guys would be foolish not to i suppose. But i cant end without saying this when it comes to fights. Don't talk about a decent fight when Molle himself orders one of the craziest logoffskis ever.
Dlardrageth ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.22 06:42:00 - [53] Okay, for the sake of the argument then... You adressed "mega alliances". Assuming you picked your phrase carefully there, that makes all alliances with "mega" member numbers, aka in excess of 1K members viable. With regards to your point of "block voting"/"taking over CSM" or however you do want to call it. By current in-game listing there are over 30 of those. Compared to the number of available CSM seats and the posted votes required to get a CSM seat / alternate spot that would logically imply, that if your assumption were right, all, or maybe all but one seat on the CSM would go to those alliances. History of recent CSM panels does not really support this, but well, maybe this time it all changed? So if you were correct, we'd see on the next CSM panel (almost) exclusively members of those "mega alliances", IF your assumption were right that those were trying to "take over" the CSM. More so, as we cannot be sure that someone external might "accidentally" vote for one of the candidates from those alliances (Gods beware!), as they might raise some valid point in their campaign. Going by sheer numbers under the assumption you are right (and myself wrong about lots of 0.0 not caring a whit about CSM), we'll see come next week a (almost) full 0.0 alliance-stocked CSM, right? Would be utterly surprised if that would happen, I'd actually still be surprised if only half the future CSM members came (by order of alliance size ofc) from those entities. But maybe I'll be proven all wrong and the conspiracy theory is true...
Axexut Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2010.05.22 07:35:00 - [54] Edited by: Axexut on 22/05/2010 07:43:29 Konoch - shush. You are sounding like a spoiled child. I am also a candidate. IF my guys were strong enough to vote me in - great! If not . . . . awww. But you are trying to justify votes post election. And to cast aspersions on those Alliances greater then yours. Either man up and make yours better, or join IT and their efforts in this case. But stop *****ing. Maybe neither of us made it in. That's OUR people's faults and our only own.
xCaedo	Posted - 2010.05.22 09:55:00 - [55] Originally by: Dillon Arklight A quick thought about the increased voting turnout. I was wondering how many players with multiple accounts only voted with one of them. Personally i have multiple accounts but i don't like the idea of casting more than one vote as it dosen't seem democratic. I know its probbaly impossible to tell how many people voted more than once but its something to consider when looking at the voting statistics. I have cast my votes to the same person this year with my 3 accounts, (still waiting for that 30.00 isk aswell) but i would consider splitting my votes if each candidate would better for example my industrial char and the other would benefit my PvP char, any ignore all that when is Season 3 starting Dillon??? ;) enjoy the rest
Fade Toblack	Posted - 2010.05.22 10:45:00 - [56] Multiple accounts getting multiple votes - actually I see this as being fairer. If you're willing to pay for 2 or 3 (or more) accounts, then surely you should have 2 or 3 (or more) times the say over the future of the game.
Konoch Caldari Northstar Cabal OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.22 13:10:00 - [57] Originally by: Dlardrageth Okay, for the sake of the argument then... You adressed "mega alliances". Assuming you picked your phrase carefully there, that makes all alliances with "mega" member numbers, aka in excess of 1K members viable. With regards to your point of "block voting"/"taking over CSM" or however you do want to call it. By current in-game listing there are over 30 of those. Compared to the number of available CSM seats and the posted votes required to get a CSM seat / alternate spot that would logically imply, that if your assumption were right, all, or maybe all but one seat on the CSM would go to those alliances. History of recent CSM panels does not really support this, but well, maybe this time it all changed? So if you were correct, we'd see on the next CSM panel (almost) exclusively members of those "mega alliances", IF your assumption were right that those were trying to "take over" the CSM. More so, as we cannot be sure that someone external might "accidentally" vote for one of the candidates from those alliances (Gods beware!), as they might raise some valid point in their campaign. Going by sheer numbers under the assumption you are right (and myself wrong about lots of 0.0 not caring a whit about CSM), we'll see come next week a (almost) full 0.0 alliance-stocked CSM, right? Would be utterly surprised if that would happen, I'd actually still be surprised if only half the future CSM members came (by order of alliance size ofc) from those entities. But maybe I'll be proven all wrong and the conspiracy theory is true... Yeah. I did. But your missing the focus slightly. I meant NC and SC in this regard. (And yeah i am with an NC corp) And i'll state it again, without names i can only speculate. But voting was substantially higher than in the previous four elections and there is a huge war raging. If you look at the general situation and see the signs you see what appears to be powerblock voting. Without the winners what i've stated is speculation. Speculation based on the evidence but still speculation. I'm not backing off my position that it appears the Big groups voted in blocks. 1k votes per candidate that got in. That's a shocking number. And yes, i think it has changed. I think that both sides wish to influence the war and that this would be one heck of a way to do it. Honestly? I hope your right that it isn't packed with zero sec alliances. And i still hold out hope my vote was one of the ones that put T'amber in. But that isn't looking good. Names will tell the tale and if this spike in voting was EVE being more politically aware then i will be one happy guy even if T'amber doesn't make it in. But given the following: The massive voter spike, The conflict up north, H-W, and the zero sec heavy agenda of these candidates. I'm forced to believe that something less than perfect was at work here.
Dillon Arklight Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.22 15:43:00 - [58] Edited by: Dillon Arklight on 22/05/2010 15:43:03 Originally by: Fade Toblack Multiple accounts getting multiple votes - actually I see this as being fairer. If you're willing to pay for 2 or 3 (or more) accounts, then surely you should have 2 or 3 (or more) times the say over the future of the game. Based on that should a person who pays more tax have more say in how a country is run? Yeah i know EVE isn't like the real world, just a comparison. By some quirk of fate for the next month I have 5 accounts. Do i really deserve 5 times the say in the games development? Oh and thanks for the graph Diagoras, more please!
Cyrus Doul Cosmic Vacum Cleaners	Posted - 2010.05.22 16:36:00 - [59] You guys know more about this then I do, but whats the breakdown of who voted by percentage of accounts that actually had a logon during the voting month? Like I have 3 accounts that autobill to my CC so they would remain active but I might have not been around for the month due to X and didn't even know. That would give you a better breakdown of who actually cared to vote or not instead of who voted / (didnt vote + mega afk)
Dlardrageth ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.22 19:06:00 - [60] Originally by: Dillon Arklight Edited by: Dillon Arklight on 22/05/2010 15:43:03 Originally by: Fade Toblack Multiple accounts getting multiple votes - actually I see this as being fairer. If you're willing to pay for 2 or 3 (or more) accounts, then surely you should have 2 or 3 (or more) times the say over the future of the game. Based on that should a person who pays more tax have more say in how a country is run? Yeah i know EVE isn't like the real world, just a comparison.[...] You would be surprised. Look up "Timocracy" in a good encyclopedia, or prolly even Wikipedia. The greeks of antiquitiy didn't think too badly about that. As opposed to some comments about democracy occasionally made. Just as a footnote, personally I don't think CSM elections rank as truly "democratic" if the majority of players abstains. Thus prolly some bastard-child of political theory anway...

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