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Kaylona Tso
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Posted - 2004.12.07 18:41:00 -
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The team at Transgaming have finally done it. Exodus works on Linux thru WineX. With HL2 and CSS also working I no longer have a reason to use Windows XP on my main machine :) Hopefully I will have reports of WineX, EVE, and Mandrake 10.1 running on my AMD64/GeF6800 puter within the next few days.
Here is a screenie in the meantime from Transgaming's website :
looki here looki here
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Kaylona Tso
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Posted - 2004.12.07 18:41:00 -
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The team at Transgaming have finally done it. Exodus works on Linux thru WineX. With HL2 and CSS also working I no longer have a reason to use Windows XP on my main machine :) Hopefully I will have reports of WineX, EVE, and Mandrake 10.1 running on my AMD64/GeF6800 puter within the next few days.
Here is a screenie in the meantime from Transgaming's website :
looki here looki here
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2004.12.07 18:48:00 -
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Great news 
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2004.12.07 18:48:00 -
[4]
Great news
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2004.12.07 19:10:00 -
[5]
Excellent
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2004.12.07 19:10:00 -
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Excellent
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kurg
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Posted - 2004.12.07 19:43:00 -
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any info on performace is welcome
even the paranoid has real enemies...
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kurg
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Posted - 2004.12.07 19:43:00 -
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any info on performace is welcome
even the paranoid has real enemies...
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Vulpea Polara
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Posted - 2004.12.07 19:47:00 -
[9]
COOL !!!!!!! |
Vulpea Polara
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Posted - 2004.12.07 19:47:00 -
[10]
COOL !!!!!!! |
ThorsHmr
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Posted - 2004.12.07 19:49:00 -
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Having been trained in Unix when it first was put on the market and later on Unix when it was released, and being completely unimpressed by it's capabilities, I've been a longtime detractor of anything Unix/Linux until recently.
I've been hearing much good things lately about the OS and this news has piqued my interest even more.
I look forward to your upcoming reports
"The biggest troublemaker you'll probably ever have to deal with watches
you shave his face in the mirror every morning." |
ThorsHmr
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Posted - 2004.12.07 19:49:00 -
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Having been trained in Unix when it first was put on the market and later on Unix when it was released, and being completely unimpressed by it's capabilities, I've been a longtime detractor of anything Unix/Linux until recently.
I've been hearing much good things lately about the OS and this news has piqued my interest even more.
I look forward to your upcoming reports
"The biggest troublemaker you'll probably ever have to deal with watches
you shave his face in the mirror every morning." |
Hellmar
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Posted - 2004.12.07 20:27:00 -
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Looking forward to your report Kaylona Tso
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Hellmar
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Posted - 2004.12.07 20:27:00 -
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Looking forward to your report Kaylona Tso
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.12.07 20:29:00 -
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Run! He's just trying to recapture you!
You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike. |
Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.12.07 20:29:00 -
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Run! He's just trying to recapture you!
You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike. |
aeti
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Posted - 2004.12.07 20:38:00 -
[17]
I could never get the installer to work, every eve installer i've tried dies at the same point
and copying an install from elsewhere just causes eve to pump out python related errors
I would give it another go but I just trashed glibc and am rather screwed atm :>
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aeti
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Posted - 2004.12.07 20:38:00 -
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I could never get the installer to work, every eve installer i've tried dies at the same point
and copying an install from elsewhere just causes eve to pump out python related errors
I would give it another go but I just trashed glibc and am rather screwed atm :>
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Sirisu
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Posted - 2004.12.07 20:47:00 -
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It has been working since the Shiva beta, although there were some bugs. Since the release its working perfectly in fullscreen and somewhat buggy in a window (missing cursor). It's slower than under windows, tough. I'll try Cedega 4.2 (which has just been released) later.
I'm playing under linux most of the time time now, just when i expect some fighting i boot into windows.
There seems to be a little problem with the alignment of some textures, as you can see a thin distorted square on planets and ships.
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Sirisu
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Posted - 2004.12.07 20:47:00 -
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It has been working since the Shiva beta, although there were some bugs. Since the release its working perfectly in fullscreen and somewhat buggy in a window (missing cursor). It's slower than under windows, tough. I'll try Cedega 4.2 (which has just been released) later.
I'm playing under linux most of the time time now, just when i expect some fighting i boot into windows.
There seems to be a little problem with the alignment of some textures, as you can see a thin distorted square on planets and ships.
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Fuse
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Posted - 2004.12.07 21:06:00 -
[21]
Is there an easy way to dual boot Linux with Windows ME? I don't want to reinstall windows 98 on my system. How much does WinEx cost? I can research it and do it of course but I am busy so any help is appreciated.
0.o It's not you... no wait it is you. |
Fuse
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Posted - 2004.12.07 21:06:00 -
[22]
Is there an easy way to dual boot Linux with Windows ME? I don't want to reinstall windows 98 on my system. How much does WinEx cost? I can research it and do it of course but I am busy so any help is appreciated.
0.o It's not you... no wait it is you. |
Orbital Drift
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Posted - 2004.12.07 21:48:00 -
[23]
Oh, EFF yes!
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Orbital Drift
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Posted - 2004.12.07 21:48:00 -
[24]
Oh, EFF yes!
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The Chef
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Posted - 2004.12.07 21:49:00 -
[25]
My ATI card doesn't like the linux drivers, and software rendering is a joke as far as eve is concerned.
Still, at least now I can run EVE on linux soonÖ
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EVEkill Visit our homepage |
The Chef
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Posted - 2004.12.07 21:49:00 -
[26]
My ATI card doesn't like the linux drivers, and software rendering is a joke as far as eve is concerned.
Still, at least now I can run EVE on linux soonÖ
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EVEkill Visit our homepage |
Scorpyn
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Posted - 2004.12.07 22:31:00 -
[27]
Edited by: Scorpyn on 07/12/2004 22:34:38
 Originally by: Fuse
Is there an easy way to dual boot Linux with Windows ME?
Just use lilo
(lilo or grub or some other program for it is basically always included in the distro)
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2004.12.07 22:31:00 -
[28]
Edited by: Scorpyn on 07/12/2004 22:34:38
Originally by: Fuse
Is there an easy way to dual boot Linux with Windows ME?
Just use lilo
(lilo or grub or some other program for it is basically always included in the distro)
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Fuse
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Posted - 2004.12.07 22:46:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Scorpyn
Edited by: Scorpyn on 07/12/2004 22:34:38
Originally by: Fuse
Is there an easy way to dual boot Linux with Windows ME?
Just use lilo
(lilo or grub or some other program for it is basically always included in the distro)
Ok.
0.o It's not you... no wait it is you. |
Fuse
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Posted - 2004.12.07 22:46:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Scorpyn
Edited by: Scorpyn on 07/12/2004 22:34:38
Originally by: Fuse
Is there an easy way to dual boot Linux with Windows ME?
Just use lilo
(lilo or grub or some other program for it is basically always included in the distro)
Ok.
0.o It's not you... no wait it is you. |
ElfeGER
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Posted - 2004.12.07 22:53:00 -
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Edited by: El***ER on 07/12/2004 23:04:02
tryed eve build 2942 on linux with cedega 4.1 demo about a week ago
Eve seemed to work and perform well
- cursor was broken/invisible in windowed mode
- switching from windowed to fullscreen caused eve to end (after eve restart the fullscreen mode was ok - even mouse pointer was working as intended)
- character selection screen showed "you have been in corp for 409 years and ..." - wh000t
- fps where very good/no graphic issues so far
- undocking/docking/jumping worked
- sound worked
waiting for a suitable payment option at transgaming :(
test was performed on gentoo linux - 64bit with 32bit libs installed
amd64 3500+/1gb ram/gf6800 (thx to nv for 64bit drivers)/nfs root with copy of my windows eve/xorg and kde 3.3
winex/cedega cvs seam to be unable to work with Eve (see this page for possible details)
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ElfeGER
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Posted - 2004.12.07 22:53:00 -
[32]
Edited by: El***ER on 07/12/2004 23:04:02
tryed eve build 2942 on linux with cedega 4.1 demo about a week ago
Eve seemed to work and perform well
- cursor was broken/invisible in windowed mode
- switching from windowed to fullscreen caused eve to end (after eve restart the fullscreen mode was ok - even mouse pointer was working as intended)
- character selection screen showed "you have been in corp for 409 years and ..." - wh000t
- fps where very good/no graphic issues so far
- undocking/docking/jumping worked
- sound worked
waiting for a suitable payment option at transgaming :(
test was performed on gentoo linux - 64bit with 32bit libs installed
amd64 3500+/1gb ram/gf6800 (thx to nv for 64bit drivers)/nfs root with copy of my windows eve/xorg and kde 3.3
winex/cedega cvs seam to be unable to work with Eve (see this page for possible details)
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ElfeGER
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Posted - 2004.12.07 23:05:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Scorpyn
Edited by: Scorpyn on 07/12/2004 22:34:38
Originally by: Fuse
Is there an easy way to dual boot Linux with Windows ME?
Just use lilo
(lilo or grub or some other program for it is basically always included in the distro)
better use grub if you have the choice 
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ElfeGER
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Posted - 2004.12.07 23:05:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Scorpyn
Edited by: Scorpyn on 07/12/2004 22:34:38
Originally by: Fuse
Is there an easy way to dual boot Linux with Windows ME?
Just use lilo
(lilo or grub or some other program for it is basically always included in the distro)
better use grub if you have the choice
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Neofight
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Posted - 2004.12.07 23:35:00 -
[35]
*dusts off his linux box
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Neofight
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Posted - 2004.12.07 23:35:00 -
[36]
*dusts off his linux box
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Fuse
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Posted - 2004.12.07 23:52:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Neofight
*dusts off his linux box
Get a new *FREE* distro www.linuxiso.org
0.o It's not you... no wait it is you. |
Fuse
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Posted - 2004.12.07 23:52:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Neofight
*dusts off his linux box
Get a new *FREE* distro www.linuxiso.org
0.o It's not you... no wait it is you. |
Neofight
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Posted - 2004.12.08 00:23:00 -
[39]
But 'emerge sync' and 'emerge -u system' are so much fun heh
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Neofight
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Posted - 2004.12.08 00:23:00 -
[40]
But 'emerge sync' and 'emerge -u system' are so much fun heh
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Fiberton
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Posted - 2004.12.08 02:35:00 -
[41]
Edited by: Fiberton on 08/12/2004 02:58:04
Edited by: Fiberton on 08/12/2004 02:44:49
I rather try it on FreeBSD. Noticed that DirectX 9c was ported by MSFT for FreeBSD. Makes me wonder what is up MSFT sleeve. FreeBSD > linux in my personal opinion, although I will not start a os war.
Your local Deamon |
Fiberton
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Posted - 2004.12.08 02:35:00 -
[42]
Edited by: Fiberton on 08/12/2004 02:58:04
Edited by: Fiberton on 08/12/2004 02:44:49
I rather try it on FreeBSD. Noticed that DirectX 9c was ported by MSFT for FreeBSD. Makes me wonder what is up MSFT sleeve. FreeBSD > linux in my personal opinion, although I will not start a os war.
Your local Deamon |
AirWalker
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Posted - 2004.12.08 02:41:00 -
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Originally by: Fiberton
Linux < FreeBSD :)
Your local devil.
Please don't start any Linux vs. BSD flamewars. Don't think the servers could handle it, especially if they're running FreeBSD.
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AirWalker
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Posted - 2004.12.08 02:41:00 -
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Originally by: Fiberton
Linux < FreeBSD :)
Your local devil.
Please don't start any Linux vs. BSD flamewars. Don't think the servers could handle it, especially if they're running FreeBSD.
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Fiberton
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Posted - 2004.12.08 02:47:00 -
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HEHE, na I wont but I have been hoping to run it on my FreeBSD box.
My main box except when I play eve.
athlon 64 3200+ / gig of ram / x800 pro vivo flashed to xt :)
Originally by: AirWalker
Originally by: Fiberton
Linux < FreeBSD :)
Your local devil.
Please don't start any Linux vs. BSD flamewars. Don't think the servers could handle it, especially if they're running FreeBSD.
Your local Deamon |
Fiberton
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Posted - 2004.12.08 02:47:00 -
[46]
HEHE, na I wont but I have been hoping to run it on my FreeBSD box.
My main box except when I play eve.
athlon 64 3200+ / gig of ram / x800 pro vivo flashed to xt :)
Originally by: AirWalker
Originally by: Fiberton
Linux < FreeBSD :)
Your local devil.
Please don't start any Linux vs. BSD flamewars. Don't think the servers could handle it, especially if they're running FreeBSD.
Your local Deamon |
Kaylona Tso
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Posted - 2004.12.08 17:56:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Kaylona Tso on 08/12/2004 17:59:57
Ok good news bad news report Number 1:
My System :
AMD Athlong 64 3000+
ASRock SiS755 based mobo
1gig Corsair TwinX Cas2 DDR400
eVGA 6800
80gig WD 8mb Cache 7200RPM HD
Toshiba DVD Player
NEC DVD+R/RW
OK this is how installation went :
Mandrake 10.1 Official PowerPack Edition Installed with VESA drivers for video
You must install the kernel sources at OS installation time to install the Nvidia 6629 drivers
You must, before installing Nvidia drivers, RE-INSTALL using RPMDRAKE or the command line the Kernel SOURCE RPM... without this the Nvidia drivers will fail. This IS a documented error on the net for mandrake 10 and 10.1.
Once you do that you can then run the Nvidia setup as stated on their website, which includes running the script and editing the XF86Config.conf in the /etc/X11 directory. Note that Mandrake 10.1 uses X.org's version of Xfree86 however the xorg.conf is just a symbolic link to the XF86Config.conf in the same directory.
After this you must type as root modprobe nvidia to insert the new kernel interface into the kernel.
Download all the RPMs from transgaming.com for Cedega 4.2
RPM install Codega first, Point2Play second, MozCTL second ( this is a version of firefox that will be used when a browser is called from a game ) and then the fonts ( which may need to be installed after your games )
EVE ONLINE installed PERFECTLY. I installed off the CD I bought over a year ago. Gemini 934 IS NOT SUPPORTED or runs on my system. I then downloaded the 934 - 3007 patch and it installed PERFECTLY. I can get the main screen working and everything looks fine. I log in fine. I get to the Character selection and I get a CTD. I am going to try some manual options to pass to the game, such as making it think its Windows 2000 instead of 98. I think its a matter of some switches to get it to run.
To give you a heads up on performance I downloaded the steam client and installed it. It Installed Perfectly and the active x firefox you get with Codega works near flawlessly so you can see html pages just as you would in windows. I updated the steam client with Counter-Strike Source and went to find a pub. Ping was same as windows, fps was near same. I had an occasional stutter but 95% of the time I couldn't really tell the difference what OS was under me.
Next Stop : Getting EVE to actually load the universe!
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Kaylona Tso
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Posted - 2004.12.08 17:56:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Kaylona Tso on 08/12/2004 17:59:57
Ok good news bad news report Number 1:
My System :
AMD Athlong 64 3000+
ASRock SiS755 based mobo
1gig Corsair TwinX Cas2 DDR400
eVGA 6800
80gig WD 8mb Cache 7200RPM HD
Toshiba DVD Player
NEC DVD+R/RW
OK this is how installation went :
Mandrake 10.1 Official PowerPack Edition Installed with VESA drivers for video
You must install the kernel sources at OS installation time to install the Nvidia 6629 drivers
You must, before installing Nvidia drivers, RE-INSTALL using RPMDRAKE or the command line the Kernel SOURCE RPM... without this the Nvidia drivers will fail. This IS a documented error on the net for mandrake 10 and 10.1.
Once you do that you can then run the Nvidia setup as stated on their website, which includes running the script and editing the XF86Config.conf in the /etc/X11 directory. Note that Mandrake 10.1 uses X.org's version of Xfree86 however the xorg.conf is just a symbolic link to the XF86Config.conf in the same directory.
After this you must type as root modprobe nvidia to insert the new kernel interface into the kernel.
Download all the RPMs from transgaming.com for Cedega 4.2
RPM install Codega first, Point2Play second, MozCTL second ( this is a version of firefox that will be used when a browser is called from a game ) and then the fonts ( which may need to be installed after your games )
EVE ONLINE installed PERFECTLY. I installed off the CD I bought over a year ago. Gemini 934 IS NOT SUPPORTED or runs on my system. I then downloaded the 934 - 3007 patch and it installed PERFECTLY. I can get the main screen working and everything looks fine. I log in fine. I get to the Character selection and I get a CTD. I am going to try some manual options to pass to the game, such as making it think its Windows 2000 instead of 98. I think its a matter of some switches to get it to run.
To give you a heads up on performance I downloaded the steam client and installed it. It Installed Perfectly and the active x firefox you get with Codega works near flawlessly so you can see html pages just as you would in windows. I updated the steam client with Counter-Strike Source and went to find a pub. Ping was same as windows, fps was near same. I had an occasional stutter but 95% of the time I couldn't really tell the difference what OS was under me.
Next Stop : Getting EVE to actually load the universe!
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aeti
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Posted - 2004.12.09 01:33:00 -
[49]
well I just tried this
with cedega 4.2 the game actually installs and starts up ok, whereas it didn't with previous versions
I can login ok but it crashes out at character selection as above
my system is in a semi broken state atm after some nasty clunking noises from my hd, ill do the usual voodoo and see if I can get eve running properly
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aeti
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Posted - 2004.12.09 01:33:00 -
[50]
well I just tried this
with cedega 4.2 the game actually installs and starts up ok, whereas it didn't with previous versions
I can login ok but it crashes out at character selection as above
my system is in a semi broken state atm after some nasty clunking noises from my hd, ill do the usual voodoo and see if I can get eve running properly
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aeti
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Posted - 2004.12.09 03:56:00 -
[51]
Kaylona: if you copy the cache folder from an existing eve install that works the game will not die on generating your pictures when you login it seems
I can get in game and do stuff
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aeti
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Posted - 2004.12.09 03:56:00 -
[52]
Kaylona: if you copy the cache folder from an existing eve install that works the game will not die on generating your pictures when you login it seems
I can get in game and do stuff
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ElfeGER
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:08:00 -
[53]
@Devs:
Are you working to get Eve running on Linux or is it just nice to see? (do you work with Transgaming? did they gave you some docs?)
Do you wish to get bug reports/log server files? (maybe a Linux Forum under "EVE Technology and Research Center")
How many devs are involved with Eve on Linux?
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ElfeGER
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:08:00 -
[54]
@Devs:
Are you working to get Eve running on Linux or is it just nice to see? (do you work with Transgaming? did they gave you some docs?)
Do you wish to get bug reports/log server files? (maybe a Linux Forum under "EVE Technology and Research Center")
How many devs are involved with Eve on Linux?
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Domalais
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:24:00 -
[55]
Originally by: El***ER
@Devs:
Are you working to get Eve running on Linux or is it just nice to see? (do you work with Transgaming? did they gave you some docs?)
I really don't think the devs care about Eve on Linux. They're swamped with support problems now, let alone if they had to support an operating system like Linux.
I mean yeah, it's a great OS but supporting it is pure hell because all the distros do things slightly differently, and all the configuration is really up to the user.
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Domalais
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:24:00 -
[56]
Originally by: El***ER
@Devs:
Are you working to get Eve running on Linux or is it just nice to see? (do you work with Transgaming? did they gave you some docs?)
I really don't think the devs care about Eve on Linux. They're swamped with support problems now, let alone if they had to support an operating system like Linux.
I mean yeah, it's a great OS but supporting it is pure hell because all the distros do things slightly differently, and all the configuration is really up to the user.
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Valar CCP
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Posted - 2004.12.09 14:15:00 -
[57]
Would like to point out for the problem with the cursor not being drawn in windowed mode, that a eve player wrote this handy tool that draws a crosshair where the cursor is.
See this thread
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Quality assurance department
CCP games |
Valar CCP
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Posted - 2004.12.09 14:15:00 -
[58]
Would like to point out for the problem with the cursor not being drawn in windowed mode, that a eve player wrote this handy tool that draws a crosshair where the cursor is.
See this thread
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Valar
Quality assurance department
CCP games |
Schroni
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Posted - 2004.12.09 14:21:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Neofight
But 'emerge sync' and 'emerge -u system' are so much fun heh
Gentoo for teh win!
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Schroni
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Posted - 2004.12.09 14:21:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Neofight
But 'emerge sync' and 'emerge -u system' are so much fun heh
Gentoo for teh win!
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ElfeGER
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Posted - 2004.12.10 10:18:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Fiberton
Edited by: Fiberton on 08/12/2004 02:58:04
Edited by: Fiberton on 08/12/2004 02:44:49
I rather try it on FreeBSD. Noticed that DirectX 9c was ported by MSFT for FreeBSD. Makes me wonder what is up MSFT sleeve. FreeBSD > linux in my personal opinion, although I will not start a os war.
that DX9 for FreeBSD was a mistake at the dl site from ms
but there is hope for FreeBSD - http://lickwid.ath.cx/~tlp/cedega/index.html
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ElfeGER
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Posted - 2004.12.10 10:18:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Fiberton
Edited by: Fiberton on 08/12/2004 02:58:04
Edited by: Fiberton on 08/12/2004 02:44:49
I rather try it on FreeBSD. Noticed that DirectX 9c was ported by MSFT for FreeBSD. Makes me wonder what is up MSFT sleeve. FreeBSD > linux in my personal opinion, although I will not start a os war.
that DX9 for FreeBSD was a mistake at the dl site from ms
but there is hope for FreeBSD - http://lickwid.ath.cx/~tlp/cedega/index.html
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Fuse
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Posted - 2004.12.10 10:39:00 -
[63]
Cedega 4.2 costs $5 a month I would rather buy another eve account. It's great you guys found that Eve now works on WineX unless the performance is MUCH better I will use Windows.  I feel conflicted I hate Windows it's so... ordinary.
0.o It's not you... no wait it is you. |
Fuse
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Posted - 2004.12.10 10:39:00 -
[64]
Cedega 4.2 costs $5 a month I would rather buy another eve account. It's great you guys found that Eve now works on WineX unless the performance is MUCH better I will use Windows. I feel conflicted I hate Windows it's so... ordinary.
0.o It's not you... no wait it is you. |
Domalais
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Posted - 2004.12.10 21:15:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Schroni
Gentoo for teh win!
Gentoo for teh unstable!
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Domalais
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Posted - 2004.12.10 21:15:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Schroni
Gentoo for teh win!
Gentoo for teh unstable!
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Sylia Masters
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Posted - 2004.12.10 21:58:00 -
[67]
Supporting more then one OS means that more time and resources must be allocated for each additional client OS version. Add to that that there are now multiple versions of the client, each with it's own bugs. Multiple-OS support is fine for stand alone games, but not for MMORPGs.
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Sylia Masters
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Posted - 2004.12.10 21:58:00 -
[68]
Supporting more then one OS means that more time and resources must be allocated for each additional client OS version. Add to that that there are now multiple versions of the client, each with it's own bugs. Multiple-OS support is fine for stand alone games, but not for MMORPGs.
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ElfeGER
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Posted - 2004.12.10 22:05:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Sylia Masters
Supporting more then one OS means that more time and resources must be allocated for each additional client OS version. Add to that that there are now multiple versions of the client, each with it's own bugs. Multiple-OS support is fine for stand alone games, but not for MMORPGs.
there is NO Eve version for Linux
it's the Windows version that is working on Linux
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ElfeGER
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Posted - 2004.12.10 22:05:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Sylia Masters
Supporting more then one OS means that more time and resources must be allocated for each additional client OS version. Add to that that there are now multiple versions of the client, each with it's own bugs. Multiple-OS support is fine for stand alone games, but not for MMORPGs.
there is NO Eve version for Linux
it's the Windows version that is working on Linux
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rowbin hod
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Posted - 2004.12.10 22:45:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Schroni
Originally by: Neofight
But 'emerge sync' and 'emerge -u system' are so much fun heh
Gentoo for teh win!
OMG, i was reading on the first page of this thread, and decided i was going to reply with "Gentoo 4 teh win", but it appears i was beaten to it
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rowbin hod
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Posted - 2004.12.10 22:45:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Schroni
Originally by: Neofight
But 'emerge sync' and 'emerge -u system' are so much fun heh
Gentoo for teh win!
OMG, i was reading on the first page of this thread, and decided i was going to reply with "Gentoo 4 teh win", but it appears i was beaten to it
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Papolytic
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Posted - 2004.12.10 23:42:00 -
[73]
Originally by: aeti
Kaylona: if you copy the cache folder from an existing eve install that works the game will not die on generating your pictures when you login it seems
I can get in game and do stuff
Good find ;) I'd been playing around with this for a few hours, and tried your cache idea. That got me into the game, and the other thread about the crosshairs (running evemouse& in the background) was very useful.
Since I haven't been playing lately other than skill changes and paying bills, I realized quickly that one of the main apparent problems is that any image that already isn't in the cache by startup can't be written to the cache (or so it seems). I clicked on someone in chat to test getting their pic and was CTD'd.
Anyway, as long as I don't try to get info on people and things, the basic functionality is there. I took a shuttle ride to another station, and the graphics look good, frame rate was maybe 1/2 (~18fps). I'm going to run down the CCP directory tree and give all the files/dirs all permissions in case there's that type of problem with cache. It appears (key word *appears) that Eve can't write to its cache at the moment, or at least I'm not finding new files there after running it. I'll edit this if I can ever get past the cache problem.
Papol
Oh yes:: Some trivia for the linux crowd:
Distro: Fedora core 3 (but all latest rawhide)
HW: Abit NF2/2.4ghz athlon xp/ti4200 (old noname)/30 buck TB soundcard
DualBoot: Win2k (just for eve) and FC3 (rawhide for everything else/work).
Nvidia drivers: 6629, source glue modified by me as described on nvidia's linux forums. Very minor mod to run with kernel 2.6.10-rc3-bk5 (well, I think all kernels higher than 2.6.10-rc2-bk7).
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Papolytic
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Posted - 2004.12.10 23:42:00 -
[74]
Originally by: aeti
Kaylona: if you copy the cache folder from an existing eve install that works the game will not die on generating your pictures when you login it seems
I can get in game and do stuff
Good find ;) I'd been playing around with this for a few hours, and tried your cache idea. That got me into the game, and the other thread about the crosshairs (running evemouse& in the background) was very useful.
Since I haven't been playing lately other than skill changes and paying bills, I realized quickly that one of the main apparent problems is that any image that already isn't in the cache by startup can't be written to the cache (or so it seems). I clicked on someone in chat to test getting their pic and was CTD'd.
Anyway, as long as I don't try to get info on people and things, the basic functionality is there. I took a shuttle ride to another station, and the graphics look good, frame rate was maybe 1/2 (~18fps). I'm going to run down the CCP directory tree and give all the files/dirs all permissions in case there's that type of problem with cache. It appears (key word *appears) that Eve can't write to its cache at the moment, or at least I'm not finding new files there after running it. I'll edit this if I can ever get past the cache problem.
Papol
Oh yes:: Some trivia for the linux crowd:
Distro: Fedora core 3 (but all latest rawhide)
HW: Abit NF2/2.4ghz athlon xp/ti4200 (old noname)/30 buck TB soundcard
DualBoot: Win2k (just for eve) and FC3 (rawhide for everything else/work).
Nvidia drivers: 6629, source glue modified by me as described on nvidia's linux forums. Very minor mod to run with kernel 2.6.10-rc3-bk5 (well, I think all kernels higher than 2.6.10-rc2-bk7).
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aeti
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Posted - 2004.12.11 00:07:00 -
[75]
it was pretty much unplayable for me windowed
fullscreen it was pretty smooth
it crashed when loading peoples pictures, and also when pressing escape to get at the options
apart from that it was ok
not the sort of thing you are going to use in a fleet battle tho :>
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aeti
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Posted - 2004.12.11 00:07:00 -
[76]
it was pretty much unplayable for me windowed
fullscreen it was pretty smooth
it crashed when loading peoples pictures, and also when pressing escape to get at the options
apart from that it was ok
not the sort of thing you are going to use in a fleet battle tho :>
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2004.12.11 01:55:00 -
[77]
I'm not sure how cedega translates filenames, but maybe the cache thingy is a case of bad upper/lower case files somewhere, or maybe the use of something*.* or similar instead of something* as it should be in linux... anybody tried running it as root?
Also, there is an option to retrieve pics from the server or to generate them locally, maybe changing that will help...
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2004.12.11 01:55:00 -
[78]
I'm not sure how cedega translates filenames, but maybe the cache thingy is a case of bad upper/lower case files somewhere, or maybe the use of something*.* or similar instead of something* as it should be in linux... anybody tried running it as root?
Also, there is an option to retrieve pics from the server or to generate them locally, maybe changing that will help...
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Gordain Donncliadh
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Posted - 2004.12.11 02:49:00 -
[79]
nice one, i'll have to test this out later on tonight, only reason i use windows is for EVE. I'll see how it handles on other distros such as Knoppix and Gentoo.
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Gordain Donncliadh
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Posted - 2004.12.11 02:49:00 -
[80]
nice one, i'll have to test this out later on tonight, only reason i use windows is for EVE. I'll see how it handles on other distros such as Knoppix and Gentoo.
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Nym Qyamara
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Posted - 2004.12.11 03:36:00 -
[81]
Nice try :) trying to hide your location - just not did a good enough job :) I guess you are in Poinen around planet V - moon 12 at the internal security assembly Plant are around 25 km from it, reading your selected Item screen in the top right side of your screen 
I lived in Poinen for some time no need to be ashamed - its an ok system |
Nym Qyamara
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Posted - 2004.12.11 03:36:00 -
[82]
Nice try :) trying to hide your location - just not did a good enough job :) I guess you are in Poinen around planet V - moon 12 at the internal security assembly Plant are around 25 km from it, reading your selected Item screen in the top right side of your screen
I lived in Poinen for some time no need to be ashamed - its an ok system |
Kusotarre
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Posted - 2004.12.11 09:19:00 -
[83]
I think it's whited because it won't display.
My friend was trying it in Linux, and he had that problem.
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Kusotarre
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Posted - 2004.12.11 09:19:00 -
[84]
I think it's whited because it won't display.
My friend was trying it in Linux, and he had that problem.
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Maveric7911
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Posted - 2004.12.17 18:18:00 -
[85]
I can't get it to install with the new cedega. I keep getting stuck on it uncompressing the faceres.stuff file it makes it about half way down that file and I get a error. Any thoughts on that? I am using the large downloaded exe.
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Maveric7911
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Posted - 2004.12.17 18:18:00 -
[86]
I can't get it to install with the new cedega. I keep getting stuck on it uncompressing the faceres.stuff file it makes it about half way down that file and I get a error. Any thoughts on that? I am using the large downloaded exe.
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Papolytic
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Posted - 2004.12.17 19:05:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Maveric7911
I can't get it to install with the new cedega. I keep getting stuck on it uncompressing the faceres.stuff file it makes it about half way down that file and I get a error. Any thoughts on that? I am using the large downloaded exe.
Mav,
One or two things maybe of interest. If the first has nothing to do with it, check the second.
1) When cedega installs from the big .exe file, it creates a huge /tmp/*.tmp file (I've forgotten the exact name). This file winds up being the workspace for *all* the .stuff files, and is over a gigabyte before it winds up and cleans things. So .. You have to have about 2 free GB (probably more) to even contemplate installing the entire thing. Afterwards, you only need whatever size the ccp/eve dir holds. (~1GB)
2) If you have tons of free space in your / (whereever your /tmp folder is), then try unpacking that .exe file on windows just to be sure it came over the line ok.
GL,
Papol
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Papolytic
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Posted - 2004.12.17 19:05:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Maveric7911
I can't get it to install with the new cedega. I keep getting stuck on it uncompressing the faceres.stuff file it makes it about half way down that file and I get a error. Any thoughts on that? I am using the large downloaded exe.
Mav,
One or two things maybe of interest. If the first has nothing to do with it, check the second.
1) When cedega installs from the big .exe file, it creates a huge /tmp/*.tmp file (I've forgotten the exact name). This file winds up being the workspace for *all* the .stuff files, and is over a gigabyte before it winds up and cleans things. So .. You have to have about 2 free GB (probably more) to even contemplate installing the entire thing. Afterwards, you only need whatever size the ccp/eve dir holds. (~1GB)
2) If you have tons of free space in your / (whereever your /tmp folder is), then try unpacking that .exe file on windows just to be sure it came over the line ok.
GL,
Papol
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aeti
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Posted - 2004.12.17 19:50:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Maveric7911
I can't get it to install with the new cedega. I keep getting stuck on it uncompressing the faceres.stuff file it makes it about half way down that file and I get a error. Any thoughts on that? I am using the large downloaded exe.
which version of cedega?
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aeti
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Posted - 2004.12.17 19:50:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Maveric7911
I can't get it to install with the new cedega. I keep getting stuck on it uncompressing the faceres.stuff file it makes it about half way down that file and I get a error. Any thoughts on that? I am using the large downloaded exe.
which version of cedega?
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Varis Idle
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Posted - 2004.12.18 21:27:00 -
[91]
Time to buy a new PC then. (There goes my regular subscription money :-( )
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Varis Idle
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Posted - 2004.12.18 21:27:00 -
[92]
Time to buy a new PC then. (There goes my regular subscription money :-( )
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2004.12.18 22:45:00 -
[93]
If you get the latest 4.2 version of cedega, eve installs fine, and runs fine. The only problem I've noticed is firstly its slower fps, but also if you press esc, the game crashes.
HL2 on the otherhand runs just as quick under cedega as it does in windows, no noticble frame loss :)
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2004.12.18 22:45:00 -
[94]
If you get the latest 4.2 version of cedega, eve installs fine, and runs fine. The only problem I've noticed is firstly its slower fps, but also if you press esc, the game crashes.
HL2 on the otherhand runs just as quick under cedega as it does in windows, no noticble frame loss :)
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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pngzor
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Posted - 2004.12.19 02:35:00 -
[95]
Yay, great news
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pngzor
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Posted - 2004.12.19 02:35:00 -
[96]
Yay, great news
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Maveric7911
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Posted - 2004.12.22 18:51:00 -
[97]
Edited by: Maveric7911 on 22/12/2004 18:52:47
Every time I try to run the game in cedega I get this error.It does finally install fine with ajusting the tmpfs size.
1 : blue.BluePyOS: InitBasicModuleSupport() failed
0 : blue.BluePyOS: Unhandled Python exception: BluePyOS::PyError()
AttributeError: 'stackless.module' object has no attribute '_extension_registry'[
Any thoughts?
I have tried fresh installs from both 3106.exe and 3007.exe as well as just the folder from my windows drive I get the same error with all of these.
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Maveric7911
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Posted - 2004.12.22 18:51:00 -
[98]
Edited by: Maveric7911 on 22/12/2004 18:52:47
Every time I try to run the game in cedega I get this error.It does finally install fine with ajusting the tmpfs size.
1 : blue.BluePyOS: InitBasicModuleSupport() failed
0 : blue.BluePyOS: Unhandled Python exception: BluePyOS::PyError()
AttributeError: 'stackless.module' object has no attribute '_extension_registry'[
Any thoughts?
I have tried fresh installs from both 3106.exe and 3007.exe as well as just the folder from my windows drive I get the same error with all of these.
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Polymerase
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Posted - 2005.06.28 14:58:00 -
[99]
If it helps anyone I've been using Slackware 10.1 (default kernel 2.4). The graphic drivers from Nvidia (because of my card ;) ), and Cedega 4.3 (not the latest one out now).
This works well apart from white text in certain places, which I'm in the process of sorting out. All in all though I'm made up I may finally be able to play eve on linux.....
Now lets just see if I get two clients running on it at the same time...... 
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prsr
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Posted - 2005.06.28 16:46:00 -
[100]
I think the status of EVE under linux hasn't changed much at all. With a bit of help it loads and you can even undock and fly around a bit but it still crashes. I got that far about 6 months ago and heard no new developments yet.
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.07.04 12:58:00 -
[101]
im now running eve on suse 9.3 pro with cedega 4.3 and i havent gotten any crashes.
the performance is a bit sluggish though still.
but its just as good if not better then my secondary computer wich runs winxp and a GF3 card
this computer that i run eve in linux on is a...
AthlonXP 2800+
1GB DDR400
Geforce FX5950
my only problem that i have left is to get the performance up a bit so i can finally get the ******* rid of windows and move completely to Linux.
and pls dont yap to me about bashing on windows, ive used all windows versions since windows 1.1 so i think ive had enough grief from running all those windows versions so i got the right to bash it abit :)
Quote:
2005.05.13 06:58:00
For your termination of Pazuzzu we have paid you the bounty that was set to his head: 207,258,235 ISK
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Kalixa Hihro
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Posted - 2005.07.13 04:14:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Kaylona Tso
The team at Transgaming have finally done it. Exodus works on Linux thru WineX. With HL2 and CSS also working I no longer have a reason to use Windows XP on my main machine :) Hopefully I will have reports of WineX, EVE, and Mandrake 10.1 running on my AMD64/GeF6800 puter within the next few days.
Here is a screenie in the meantime from Transgaming's website :
looki here looki here
I am mining in my linux powered Thorax right now :P, Teamspeak and all...
l8,
Kalixa
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Kalixa Hihro
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Posted - 2005.07.13 04:19:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Malken
im now running eve on suse 9.3 pro with cedega 4.3 and i havent gotten any crashes.
the performance is a bit sluggish though still.
but its just as good if not better then my secondary computer wich runs winxp and a GF3 card
this computer that i run eve in linux on is a...
AthlonXP 2800+
1GB DDR400
Geforce FX5950
my only problem that i have left is to get the performance up a bit so i can finally get the ******* rid of windows and move completely to Linux.
and pls dont yap to me about bashing on windows, ive used all windows versions since windows 1.1 so i think ive had enough grief from running all those windows versions so i got the right to bash it abit :)
I get the occasional lag spike but windows is far more sluggish on my box, than linux is.
Feel free to bash on windows all you want 8 ) I get 40 fps when tooling around, 35 around gates, 43 when warping, and 25-30 when mining with 3 medium drones out.
It sounds like you just need to optimize your WineX instance...
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Kalixa Hihro
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Posted - 2005.07.13 04:45:00 -
[104]
Originally by: prsr
I think the status of EVE under linux hasn't changed much at all. With a bit of help it loads and you can even undock and fly around a bit but it still crashes. I got that far about 6 months ago and heard no new developments yet.
I have been killing pirates, mining, jumping through a gate to a station to switch to combat ship, back to asteroid field for over 4 hours straight, without a single crash, all while running teamspeak. It crashes less than windows does for me LMFAO.
It's tempermental. You can only alt-enter once, to go to full screen. Second time crashes it. Sometimes mouse doesn't click where you are pointing. alt-enter to crash it on purpose, then restart game. If you know about these issues you just work around these limitations and it plays phenomenal. You get a feel for starting the game. The only issues for me occur during start up. A restart usually cures this and it will run for hours upon end without crashing. In windows the sound eventually starts breaking up after a few hours and I CTD quite frequently.
I am a oss programmer, by trade, and simply got fed up with the windows instability, despite using up to date drivers etc. the game would crash a lot. Game performance has never really been great in windows for me either. The servers I work on at work never crash so I figured I'd give fedora a try for gaming, since I already know some workarounds for some of the bugs and install gotchas ; )
It's a whole different feel to the game... It feels twice as fast. I don't know if it really is, but it's awesome. I am not looking back yet.
AMD64 3200+
1GB ddr400
GeForce FX5700 128
RH FC3 - 32 bit
Kernel update rpm 27 (35 breaks cedega)
recompiled alsa kernel modules (since 27 has fubar'd sound drivers)
Cedega 4.3.2
Windows 98 instance type full screen in a 1024*768 WineX tty. It's full screen inside of a window, if that makes sense...
All graphics options selected...
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.07.13 04:54:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Kalixa Hihro
Originally by: Malken
im now running eve on suse 9.3 pro with cedega 4.3 and i havent gotten any crashes.
the performance is a bit sluggish though still.
but its just as good if not better then my secondary computer wich runs winxp and a GF3 card
this computer that i run eve in linux on is a...
AthlonXP 2800+
1GB DDR400
Geforce FX5950
my only problem that i have left is to get the performance up a bit so i can finally get the ******* rid of windows and move completely to Linux.
and pls dont yap to me about bashing on windows, ive used all windows versions since windows 1.1 so i think ive had enough grief from running all those windows versions so i got the right to bash it abit :)
I get the occasional lag spike but windows is far more sluggish on my box, than linux is.
Feel free to bash on windows all you want 8 ) I get 40 fps when tooling around, 35 around gates, 43 when warping, and 25-30 when mining with 3 medium drones out.
It sounds like you just need to optimize your WineX instance...
yep thats what i thought also.
just need the time to do it though :P
Quote:
2005.05.13 06:58:00
For your termination of Pazuzzu we have paid you the bounty that was set to his head: 207,258,235 ISK
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DJBoo
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Posted - 2005.07.13 08:52:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Kaylona Tso
Mandrake 10.1[/url]
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Mandrake FTL
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Kaalise
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Posted - 2005.07.13 11:40:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Malken
[..]my only problem that i have left is to get the performance up a bit so i can finally get the ******* rid of windows and move completely to Linux.
and pls dont yap to me about bashing on windows, ive used all windows versions since windows 1.1 so i think ive had enough grief from running all those windows versions so i got the right to bash it abit :)
I'll deal with the second point first. I don't care if you've been using windows since 1.1, I've been using MS OSs since MS DOS (though I always prefered IBM DOS) and my Grandad has been using computers since they introduced ticker tape. We both however use Windows out of choice and despise Linux. Does that give us a right to bash Linux? No, it just means that we have our personal preferences. That quite simply is the fact of the matter, all OSs have bugs, instabilities and genral problems. They are all however good for different things. So any and all flaming is stupid.
Now, to the first point, what happens when a patch comes out that causes Linux to be unable to run Eve? I'm sure there'll be people who'll come here and start crying about it. So do yourself a favour and hang on to Windows, you're going to need it eventually.
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Xendie
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Posted - 2005.07.13 12:03:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Kaalise
Originally by: Malken
[..]my only problem that i have left is to get the performance up a bit so i can finally get the ******* rid of windows and move completely to Linux.
and pls dont yap to me about bashing on windows, ive used all windows versions since windows 1.1 so i think ive had enough grief from running all those windows versions so i got the right to bash it abit :)
I'll deal with the second point first. I don't care if you've been using windows since 1.1, I've been using MS OSs since MS DOS (though I always prefered IBM DOS) and my Grandad has been using computers since they introduced ticker tape. We both however use Windows out of choice and despise Linux. Does that give us a right to bash Linux? No, it just means that we have our personal preferences. That quite simply is the fact of the matter, all OSs have bugs, instabilities and genral problems. They are all however good for different things. So any and all flaming is stupid.
Now, to the first point, what happens when a patch comes out that causes Linux to be unable to run Eve? I'm sure there'll be people who'll come here and start crying about it. So do yourself a favour and hang on to Windows, you're going to need it eventually.
you dont get it do you?
btw... this is Malkens other character.
first you need a bit of a lesson in Operating systems history.
MS windows didnt become a fully fledged operating system until the GUI was fully integrated with the NT core wich makes all previous windows just that GUI's
and yes ive been working with computers a long time and i started with that around 1978.
you do the math.
i have run extensively just about all operating systems out there.
i even got my old MS-OS/2 in a box here.
and not to forget all the boxes of MS windows versions and Dos versions and unix and netware versions i have.
yeah i save them all.
heck i even got a couple of BEos discs around.
personally i dont care what OS you bash, its your choice if you are that narrowminded.
i do have many years experience of microsoft products and theres alot about them that i do not like and propably never will.
so i think ive earned the right to say what i want about microcrap products.
with eve working somewhat good so far on linux i am one step closer to getting rid of windows on my computers.
and when there is a eve patch that stops eve from functioning on linux well then alot of ppl that are alot smarter then you sit down and solve that problem.
Quote:
So any and all flaming is stupid.
not always, sometimes it is very good.
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Kaalise
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Posted - 2005.07.13 19:47:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Kaalise on 13/07/2005 19:47:06
Originally by: Xendie
you dont get it do you?
Obviously you don't.
Originally by: Xendie
personally i dont care what OS you bash, its your choice if you are that narrowminded.
Point out where I was bashing an operating sytem.
Oh, and you've just called yourself narrowminded and proved my point:
Originally by: Xendie
so i think ive earned the right to say what i want about microcrap products.
Originally by: Xendie
and when there is a eve patch that stops eve from functioning on linux well then alot of ppl that are alot smarter then you sit down and solve that problem.
I'm sorry I didn't realise you had telepathy working through the internet. You have no idea of my intellect or lack thereof so stop making assumptions. Though you are right, many people will work to solve the problem but this will take time and as I said many people will just whine on the forums.
Edit: missed a quote tag.
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.07.13 19:58:00 -
[110]
This thread is now about OS Wars.
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Contrefait
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Posted - 2005.07.13 20:03:00 -
[111]
My e-***** is bigger than your e-*****?
Bunny Suicides
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noVakane
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Posted - 2005.07.13 20:46:00 -
[112]
Speaking as someone who is Linux certfied...
Linux: Excellent server, horrible desktop.
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Sceartan
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Posted - 2005.07.14 02:09:00 -
[113]
Well I got around to installing Ubuntu last night and Cedega 4.3.2 and though I'd give Eve a go.
I copied my Windows installation to ~/TransGaming_Drive/Program Files/CCP/Eve/ and then fired it up. The splash came and went and I was left with nothing  .
Then I remembered to reset the permissions for the directory so I could write to it . Opened it up again and everything worked flawlessly. I undocked, flew around, jumped a system or two, did a show info on some people (this took a while and caused everything to freeze), jumped back and docked. Even the 'ESC' menu worked because I turned sound on to hear that wonderful sexy new voice.
The only problems I encountered were;
- Freezing while doing a show info
- 2 buttons missing on the left hand side menu (they were red blocks).
- Changing resolution did nasty things.
- Performance chopped in half.. under Windows on the same PC I average about 45-50fps but under Linux it was down to about 20. Which is understandable given the extra amount of work the applications are doing (OpenGL please ).
I can't say I'll ditch Windows yet but thats only because of the slower performance. If that improves then MS is out of here!
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Plekto
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Posted - 2005.07.14 03:05:00 -
[114]
Note - WineX or anything simmilar isn't really "running under UNIX". As long as you are running under any form of Windows, the instability, secutiry holes, and so on are still there.
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.07.14 03:12:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Plekto
Note - WineX or anything simmilar isn't really "running under UNIX". As long as you are running under any form of Windows, the instability, secutiry holes, and so on are still there.
Yeah, because Linux/Unix never gets hacked and when it doesn't files aren't replaced with recompiled files containing malcious commands.
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Domalais
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Posted - 2005.07.14 03:13:00 -
[116]
Okay, who is responsible for resurrecting this atrocity?
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