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Estios
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:33:00 -
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To me a pirate is someone who operates in Empire controlled space and kills without discretion but loses sec rating for it. Ideally they would ransom victims but game mechanics make that unrealistic most of the time.
There are no pirates in 0.0 space as far as Im concerned. Those people who camp choke points all day long and kill anyone coming out are greifers ....or pvp'ers with amazing levels of patience(some of them are very nice greifers I must add)
And those who roam around alliance/enemy 'claimed' space killing said alliance/enemy are proper PVP'ers because most people in 0.0 in alliances should be prepared to fight and most likely die.
On the subject of Pirates:
There's this man with a bald head and a wooden leg who gets invited to a fancy dress party. He doesn't know what costume to wear to hide his head and his leg so he writes to a fancy dress company to explain
the problem.
A few days later he receives a parcel with a note.
"Dear Sir, please find enclosed a pirates outfit. The spotted handkerchief will cover your bald head and with your wooden leg you will be just right as a
pirate".
The man thinks this is terrible because they have just emphasised his wooden leg and so he writes a really rude letter of complaint.
A week passes and he receives another parcel and a note which says
"Dear Sir, sorry about before, please find enclosed a monks habit.
The long robe will cover your wooden leg and with your bald head you will really look the part".
Now the man is really annoyed since they have gone from emphasising his wooden leg to emphasising his bald head and he writes the company a REALLY rude letter of complaint. The next day he receives a small
parcel and a note which reads "Dear Sir, please find enclosed a tin of treacle. Pour the tin of
treacle over your bald head, stick your wooden leg up your arse and go as a
toffee apple!"
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Estios
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:33:00 -
[32]
To me a pirate is someone who operates in Empire controlled space and kills without discretion but loses sec rating for it. Ideally they would ransom victims but game mechanics make that unrealistic most of the time.
There are no pirates in 0.0 space as far as Im concerned. Those people who camp choke points all day long and kill anyone coming out are greifers ....or pvp'ers with amazing levels of patience(some of them are very nice greifers I must add)
And those who roam around alliance/enemy 'claimed' space killing said alliance/enemy are proper PVP'ers because most people in 0.0 in alliances should be prepared to fight and most likely die.
On the subject of Pirates:
There's this man with a bald head and a wooden leg who gets invited to a fancy dress party. He doesn't know what costume to wear to hide his head and his leg so he writes to a fancy dress company to explain
the problem.
A few days later he receives a parcel with a note.
"Dear Sir, please find enclosed a pirates outfit. The spotted handkerchief will cover your bald head and with your wooden leg you will be just right as a
pirate".
The man thinks this is terrible because they have just emphasised his wooden leg and so he writes a really rude letter of complaint.
A week passes and he receives another parcel and a note which says
"Dear Sir, sorry about before, please find enclosed a monks habit.
The long robe will cover your wooden leg and with your bald head you will really look the part".
Now the man is really annoyed since they have gone from emphasising his wooden leg to emphasising his bald head and he writes the company a REALLY rude letter of complaint. The next day he receives a small
parcel and a note which reads "Dear Sir, please find enclosed a tin of treacle. Pour the tin of
treacle over your bald head, stick your wooden leg up your arse and go as a
toffee apple!"
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:38:00 -
[33]
Kind of a silly question don't you think ?
Of course CA are not pirates as a whole. But the term 'pirate' simply is used as the opposite to 'carebear' in this game. 'Griefer' is another such term applied to for example CA by some of the more extremist 'carebears'.
So why bother asking people if you are a pirate or not, cause you are not. The only pirates I knew in CA are long gone or dont practice piracy much anymore.
piracy = ransoming and killing for isk
griefing = randomly killing off someone's fun in the game without motive
alliances = simply bastards that don't give a **** for weakness but do have a goal
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:38:00 -
[34]
Kind of a silly question don't you think ?
Of course CA are not pirates as a whole. But the term 'pirate' simply is used as the opposite to 'carebear' in this game. 'Griefer' is another such term applied to for example CA by some of the more extremist 'carebears'.
So why bother asking people if you are a pirate or not, cause you are not. The only pirates I knew in CA are long gone or dont practice piracy much anymore.
piracy = ransoming and killing for isk
griefing = randomly killing off someone's fun in the game without motive
alliances = simply bastards that don't give a **** for weakness but do have a goal
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:40:00 -
[35]
Pirate: "that guy i want to shoot/shooting me"
that's what it boils down to, really. :s
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:40:00 -
[36]
Pirate: "that guy i want to shoot/shooting me"
that's what it boils down to, really. :s
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:48:00 -
[37]
 Originally by: Sternburg Export
Edited by: Sternburg Export on 09/12/2004 10:04:56
My definition of a pirate:
A guy who attacks other people without being attacked by them and / or official war declaration.
Pirate alliance:
an alliance thats attacks other Peolpe without official war declaration.
If they attack other people NOT in their territory and / or are defending thier territory..
And Yes u and all CAŠs are pirates!
edit:
Experience with CA (= pirates)
during my time in delve. They attacked us without being threatened by us. Blockaded a2 (not thier territory!)Captured stations (again not their territory) and they didnŠt declare war on my Corp and former Alliance.
So.. yes... CA are Pirates
CFS was at war with CA. So thats your war decleration (needed by your explenation..)
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:48:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Sternburg Export
Edited by: Sternburg Export on 09/12/2004 10:04:56
My definition of a pirate:
A guy who attacks other people without being attacked by them and / or official war declaration.
Pirate alliance:
an alliance thats attacks other Peolpe without official war declaration.
If they attack other people NOT in their territory and / or are defending thier territory..
And Yes u and all CAŠs are pirates!
edit:
Experience with CA (= pirates)
during my time in delve. They attacked us without being threatened by us. Blockaded a2 (not thier territory!)Captured stations (again not their territory) and they didnŠt declare war on my Corp and former Alliance.
So.. yes... CA are Pirates
CFS was at war with CA. So thats your war decleration (needed by your explenation..)
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Sternburg Export
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:55:00 -
[39]
Originally by: AvanCade
Originally by: Sternburg Export
Edited by: Sternburg Export on 09/12/2004 10:04:56
My definition of a pirate:
A guy who attacks other people without being attacked by them and / or official war declaration.
Pirate alliance:
an alliance thats attacks other Peolpe without official war declaration.
If they attack other people NOT in their territory and / or are defending thier territory..
And Yes u and all CAŠs are pirates!
edit:
Experience with CA (= pirates)
during my time in delve. They attacked us without being threatened by us. Blockaded a2 (not thier territory!)Captured stations (again not their territory) and they didnŠt declare war on my Corp and former Alliance.
So.. yes... CA are Pirates
CFS was at war with CA. So thats your war decleration (needed by your explenation..)
WE (star alliance) werenŠt at war with ca :)
and afiak we were not part of CFS 
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Sternburg Export
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:55:00 -
[40]
Originally by: AvanCade
Originally by: Sternburg Export
Edited by: Sternburg Export on 09/12/2004 10:04:56
My definition of a pirate:
A guy who attacks other people without being attacked by them and / or official war declaration.
Pirate alliance:
an alliance thats attacks other Peolpe without official war declaration.
If they attack other people NOT in their territory and / or are defending thier territory..
And Yes u and all CAŠs are pirates!
edit:
Experience with CA (= pirates)
during my time in delve. They attacked us without being threatened by us. Blockaded a2 (not thier territory!)Captured stations (again not their territory) and they didnŠt declare war on my Corp and former Alliance.
So.. yes... CA are Pirates
CFS was at war with CA. So thats your war decleration (needed by your explenation..)
WE (star alliance) werenŠt at war with ca :)
and afiak we were not part of CFS
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:56:00 -
[41]
And if you ask me, people in alliances cannot be pirates. And as far as i know, CA has only 1 lame corporation making them self guilty on pirating, and that is Dark Cartel [D-C].
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:56:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Sternburg Export
Originally by: AvanCade
Originally by: Sternburg Export
Edited by: Sternburg Export on 09/12/2004 10:04:56
My definition of a pirate:
A guy who attacks other people without being attacked by them and / or official war declaration.
Pirate alliance:
an alliance thats attacks other Peolpe without official war declaration.
If they attack other people NOT in their territory and / or are defending thier territory..
And Yes u and all CAŠs are pirates!
edit:
Experience with CA (= pirates)
during my time in delve. They attacked us without being threatened by us. Blockaded a2 (not thier territory!)Captured stations (again not their territory) and they didnŠt declare war on my Corp and former Alliance.
So.. yes... CA are Pirates
CFS was at war with CA. So thats your war decleration (needed by your explenation..)
WE (star alliance) werenŠt at war with ca :)
and afiak we were not part of CFS
It still was CFS space.
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:56:00 -
[43]
And if you ask me, people in alliances cannot be pirates. And as far as i know, CA has only 1 lame corporation making them self guilty on pirating, and that is Dark Cartel [D-C].
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:56:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Sternburg Export
Originally by: AvanCade
Originally by: Sternburg Export
Edited by: Sternburg Export on 09/12/2004 10:04:56
My definition of a pirate:
A guy who attacks other people without being attacked by them and / or official war declaration.
Pirate alliance:
an alliance thats attacks other Peolpe without official war declaration.
If they attack other people NOT in their territory and / or are defending thier territory..
And Yes u and all CAŠs are pirates!
edit:
Experience with CA (= pirates)
during my time in delve. They attacked us without being threatened by us. Blockaded a2 (not thier territory!)Captured stations (again not their territory) and they didnŠt declare war on my Corp and former Alliance.
So.. yes... CA are Pirates
CFS was at war with CA. So thats your war decleration (needed by your explenation..)
WE (star alliance) werenŠt at war with ca :)
and afiak we were not part of CFS
It still was CFS space.
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:58:00 -
[45]
Its a fine line between Piracy/terrorist.
A Pirate is out for getting as much as he can from his victim considering you guys really dont care about that you would not be a pirate.
A terrorist on the other hand is out to cause as much Damage as possible againest the targets of choice, your Alliance would fit into this catagory.
Simple Facts as regards CA is they Ignore the soverign rights of other alliances, if it is possible they will work to kill/Destroy or undermine any alliance they feel like without any thought and use the excuse of we are pv'pers.
Unfortunatly Eve has 2 different sorts of people, the people that play this game to enjoy the construction/reserch/building side of things and the people that prefare the kill stuff side of things, unfortunatly we dont see posts about (OMFG i was going through Yulai the other Day and this guy from NAGA jumped me at the gate and made me run his factory for a hour ).
Simple Fact is Pvper's will force there way of play on other players, they will come out with all the usual crap, "you should not be here" "its your own fault you went below 0.4" " they are the risks you take ".
I am part of a alliance, we have rules, our rules are simple, if you are a neutral you are asked to leave, if you refuse then we will attack, but at least you get the option.
CA however have this policy of involving everyone in there wars, they shoot everyone in 0.0 no matter what 0.0 it is they shoot neutral corps in 0.0 space that does not belong to them, Example the CFS, even though CA came to the CFS regions to kill CFS they also shot every other person they came across.
As regards my ingame exsperiance I have seen CA attack Corps that have no alliance affiliations in 0.0, example Hayden Drive yards in querious when afew of them came down to do some NPC hunting. This sort of behaviour is not pirating just simple terrorism.
Some people play this game and when they play try to play in character, some people play this game as CS the space mod. The people that play in character will call the players pirates/terrorists, referring to there character not the player, Griefer is a out of character title so I wont bother discussing.
If you play in character CA are nothing but a terrorist state, out of character CA are a bunch of pvper's.
Thats my 2 cents
" Stay Frosty "
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:58:00 -
[46]
Its a fine line between Piracy/terrorist.
A Pirate is out for getting as much as he can from his victim considering you guys really dont care about that you would not be a pirate.
A terrorist on the other hand is out to cause as much Damage as possible againest the targets of choice, your Alliance would fit into this catagory.
Simple Facts as regards CA is they Ignore the soverign rights of other alliances, if it is possible they will work to kill/Destroy or undermine any alliance they feel like without any thought and use the excuse of we are pv'pers.
Unfortunatly Eve has 2 different sorts of people, the people that play this game to enjoy the construction/reserch/building side of things and the people that prefare the kill stuff side of things, unfortunatly we dont see posts about (OMFG i was going through Yulai the other Day and this guy from NAGA jumped me at the gate and made me run his factory for a hour ).
Simple Fact is Pvper's will force there way of play on other players, they will come out with all the usual crap, "you should not be here" "its your own fault you went below 0.4" " they are the risks you take ".
I am part of a alliance, we have rules, our rules are simple, if you are a neutral you are asked to leave, if you refuse then we will attack, but at least you get the option.
CA however have this policy of involving everyone in there wars, they shoot everyone in 0.0 no matter what 0.0 it is they shoot neutral corps in 0.0 space that does not belong to them, Example the CFS, even though CA came to the CFS regions to kill CFS they also shot every other person they came across.
As regards my ingame exsperiance I have seen CA attack Corps that have no alliance affiliations in 0.0, example Hayden Drive yards in querious when afew of them came down to do some NPC hunting. This sort of behaviour is not pirating just simple terrorism.
Some people play this game and when they play try to play in character, some people play this game as CS the space mod. The people that play in character will call the players pirates/terrorists, referring to there character not the player, Griefer is a out of character title so I wont bother discussing.
If you play in character CA are nothing but a terrorist state, out of character CA are a bunch of pvper's.
Thats my 2 cents
" Stay Frosty "
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slip66
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:59:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Estios
To me a pirate is someone who operates in Empire controlled space and kills without discretion but loses sec rating for it. Ideally they would ransom victims but game mechanics make that unrealistic most of the time.
There are no pirates in 0.0 space as far as Im concerned. Those people who camp choke points all day long and kill anyone coming out are greifers ....or pvp'ers with amazing levels of patience(some of them are very nice greifers I must add)
And those who roam around alliance/enemy 'claimed' space killing said alliance/enemy are proper PVP'ers because most people in 0.0 in alliances should be prepared to fight and most likely die.
thats how I see it aswell. Fact is if there had never been a CA untill today say, then we all formed up and called ourselves CA. Then said "we hate SA cause well they are our neighbors and stuff." We prolly wouldnt have the pirate tag. Just warmongers.
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slip66
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:59:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Estios
To me a pirate is someone who operates in Empire controlled space and kills without discretion but loses sec rating for it. Ideally they would ransom victims but game mechanics make that unrealistic most of the time.
There are no pirates in 0.0 space as far as Im concerned. Those people who camp choke points all day long and kill anyone coming out are greifers ....or pvp'ers with amazing levels of patience(some of them are very nice greifers I must add)
And those who roam around alliance/enemy 'claimed' space killing said alliance/enemy are proper PVP'ers because most people in 0.0 in alliances should be prepared to fight and most likely die.
thats how I see it aswell. Fact is if there had never been a CA untill today say, then we all formed up and called ourselves CA. Then said "we hate SA cause well they are our neighbors and stuff." We prolly wouldnt have the pirate tag. Just warmongers.
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meowcat
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:01:00 -
[49]
This is what you need
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meowcat
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:01:00 -
[50]
This is what you need
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yeah but no but yeah but no but |
Sternburg Export
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:05:00 -
[51]
Originally by: AvanCade
Originally by: Sternburg Export
Originally by: AvanCade
Originally by: Sternburg Export
Edited by: Sternburg Export on 09/12/2004 10:04:56
My definition of a pirate:
A guy who attacks other people without being attacked by them and / or official war declaration.
Pirate alliance:
an alliance thats attacks other Peolpe without official war declaration.
If they attack other people NOT in their territory and / or are defending thier territory..
And Yes u and all CAŠs are pirates!
edit:
Experience with CA (= pirates)
during my time in delve. They attacked us without being threatened by us. Blockaded a2 (not thier territory!)Captured stations (again not their territory) and they didnŠt declare war on my Corp and former Alliance.
So.. yes... CA are Pirates
CFS was at war with CA. So thats your war decleration (needed by your explenation..)
WE (star alliance) werenŠt at war with ca :)
and afiak we were not part of CFS
It still was CFS space.
ur point of view. 
My point is:
At first we were visitors in CFS space << CA attacked us
Then we were citizens of CFS space << CA attacked us
We were never Part of CFS. Only part of UFS (before FA - UFS war started)
Yes we defended our home (mostly 5-6 and MO) but we were not part of CFS at anytime.
Ca have had an official war with CFS.. mkay.. but not with StA.
So, ca started piracy against Star pilots at the time they attacked the first StA pilot ;)
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Sternburg Export
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:05:00 -
[52]
Originally by: AvanCade
Originally by: Sternburg Export
Originally by: AvanCade
Originally by: Sternburg Export
Edited by: Sternburg Export on 09/12/2004 10:04:56
My definition of a pirate:
A guy who attacks other people without being attacked by them and / or official war declaration.
Pirate alliance:
an alliance thats attacks other Peolpe without official war declaration.
If they attack other people NOT in their territory and / or are defending thier territory..
And Yes u and all CAŠs are pirates!
edit:
Experience with CA (= pirates)
during my time in delve. They attacked us without being threatened by us. Blockaded a2 (not thier territory!)Captured stations (again not their territory) and they didnŠt declare war on my Corp and former Alliance.
So.. yes... CA are Pirates
CFS was at war with CA. So thats your war decleration (needed by your explenation..)
WE (star alliance) werenŠt at war with ca :)
and afiak we were not part of CFS
It still was CFS space.
ur point of view.
My point is:
At first we were visitors in CFS space << CA attacked us
Then we were citizens of CFS space << CA attacked us
We were never Part of CFS. Only part of UFS (before FA - UFS war started)
Yes we defended our home (mostly 5-6 and MO) but we were not part of CFS at anytime.
Ca have had an official war with CFS.. mkay.. but not with StA.
So, ca started piracy against Star pilots at the time they attacked the first StA pilot ;)
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:06:00 -
[53]
Edited by: corporal hicks on 09/12/2004 11:09:33
BTW this is a intresting topic, lets not have the flamers ect come out for this plenty of other topics to work on.
This is not directed at anyone in particular.
" Stay Frosty "
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:06:00 -
[54]
Edited by: corporal hicks on 09/12/2004 11:09:33
BTW this is a intresting topic, lets not have the flamers ect come out for this plenty of other topics to work on.
This is not directed at anyone in particular.
" Stay Frosty "
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Kahlee
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:09:00 -
[55]
1. EVE pirate is a pilot who attacks neutrals for other reason except isk/fun. Ofc if they are your enemy youre not a pirate, but parking in a chokepoint and shooting everyone except blue is classical piracy
2. Everlasting Vendetta for starters. My first podding was by a Shinra pilot. Mercenary Forces are CA. Also there was a post from a CA corp CEO who said they engage in piracy from time to time, but dont expect to be defended by CA if attacked by anti-pirates. Most CA arent pirates but the fact that CA HQ doesnt punish its pilots for piratical activity is the reason it is rightfuly branded as pirate. As opposed to you, there was an incident where FA pilot used hid alliance membership as leverage for extortion from low sec miners. As soon as it was found out, he was promptly kicked out.
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Kahlee
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:09:00 -
[56]
1. EVE pirate is a pilot who attacks neutrals for other reason except isk/fun. Ofc if they are your enemy youre not a pirate, but parking in a chokepoint and shooting everyone except blue is classical piracy
2. Everlasting Vendetta for starters. My first podding was by a Shinra pilot. Mercenary Forces are CA. Also there was a post from a CA corp CEO who said they engage in piracy from time to time, but dont expect to be defended by CA if attacked by anti-pirates. Most CA arent pirates but the fact that CA HQ doesnt punish its pilots for piratical activity is the reason it is rightfuly branded as pirate. As opposed to you, there was an incident where FA pilot used hid alliance membership as leverage for extortion from low sec miners. As soon as it was found out, he was promptly kicked out.
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Araviel
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:11:00 -
[57]
Originally by: magickangaroo
my personaly defo of a pirate (and ive only met one) is a person who will lock u down get u into hull and ask for money to let u live. or put u in a pod and ask for cash not to pod u.
everyone else is just pvp person. or a griefer.
mgk
i agree whit this definition, and yes i have seen individual CA pilots doing this, so yes i would consider CA to be pirates untill they get a official rule against ransoming others.
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Araviel
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:11:00 -
[58]
Originally by: magickangaroo
my personaly defo of a pirate (and ive only met one) is a person who will lock u down get u into hull and ask for money to let u live. or put u in a pod and ask for cash not to pod u.
everyone else is just pvp person. or a griefer.
mgk
i agree whit this definition, and yes i have seen individual CA pilots doing this, so yes i would consider CA to be pirates untill they get a official rule against ransoming others.
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Helmut 314
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:32:00 -
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My definition of a pirate in Eve :
A person who shows no respect for other peoples property and aquires or destroys it for his own pleasure.
My definition of a pirate corp in Eve :
A corp with a large proportion of members who behave like pirates.
Now, some will say that 0.0 is lawless and that these definitions then dont apply. Not true. Wherever there is no written law we all carry our own code of conduct. Some people pirate or steal if they think they can get away with it. Some people dont even if they could get away scot free. Many people hover inbetween these two extremes.
All CA arent ebil pirates. Many CA behave like that though, go out and attack anyone they find for their own amusement. That is by my definition piracy. This is the side that all too many Eve pilots experience. Of course, bragging about it on the Eve forums doesnt help your (CA:s) public image very much either.
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Helmut 314
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:32:00 -
[60]
My definition of a pirate in Eve :
A person who shows no respect for other peoples property and aquires or destroys it for his own pleasure.
My definition of a pirate corp in Eve :
A corp with a large proportion of members who behave like pirates.
Now, some will say that 0.0 is lawless and that these definitions then dont apply. Not true. Wherever there is no written law we all carry our own code of conduct. Some people pirate or steal if they think they can get away with it. Some people dont even if they could get away scot free. Many people hover inbetween these two extremes.
All CA arent ebil pirates. Many CA behave like that though, go out and attack anyone they find for their own amusement. That is by my definition piracy. This is the side that all too many Eve pilots experience. Of course, bragging about it on the Eve forums doesnt help your (CA:s) public image very much either.
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