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Storm Mage
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Posted - 2004.12.09 09:50:00 -
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After being constantly called a pirate just for being a member of CA I started asking people (player to player) to explain their definition of "pirate" and whether by their own definition if CA/CA members are "pirates". I have had some pretty good discussions on this topic with people and would like to hear what even more people think. And please post with your main character.
1) What is your definition of "pirate?" Please be as specific as you can.
2) From your own personal experiences with CA pilots INGAME would they fit your definition of a pirate? Again please be as specific as you can as to why or why not.
Again I must request that you respond with your main character and limit this to ingame experiences as actions speak louder than words.
I am looking forward to your replies and discussing them.
*Storm Mage calls the local hospital and has them prep for a 3rd degree burn victim
Let the lightning be your warning and the thunder your battlecry! |
Storm Mage
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Posted - 2004.12.09 09:50:00 -
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After being constantly called a pirate just for being a member of CA I started asking people (player to player) to explain their definition of "pirate" and whether by their own definition if CA/CA members are "pirates". I have had some pretty good discussions on this topic with people and would like to hear what even more people think. And please post with your main character.
1) What is your definition of "pirate?" Please be as specific as you can.
2) From your own personal experiences with CA pilots INGAME would they fit your definition of a pirate? Again please be as specific as you can as to why or why not.
Again I must request that you respond with your main character and limit this to ingame experiences as actions speak louder than words.
I am looking forward to your replies and discussing them.
*Storm Mage calls the local hospital and has them prep for a 3rd degree burn victim
Let the lightning be your warning and the thunder your battlecry! |
Sternburg Export
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Posted - 2004.12.09 09:57:00 -
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Edited by: Sternburg Export on 09/12/2004 10:04:56
My definition of a pirate:
A guy who attacks other people without being attacked by them and / or official war declaration.
Pirate alliance:
an alliance thats attacks other Peolpe without official war declaration.
If they attack other people NOT in their territory and / or are defending thier territory..
And Yes u and all CAŠs are pirates!
edit:
Experience with CA (= pirates)
during my time in delve. They attacked us without being threatened by us. Blockaded a2 (not thier territory!)Captured stations (again not their territory) and they didnŠt declare war on my Corp and former Alliance.
So.. yes... CA are Pirates
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Sternburg Export
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Posted - 2004.12.09 09:57:00 -
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Edited by: Sternburg Export on 09/12/2004 10:04:56
My definition of a pirate:
A guy who attacks other people without being attacked by them and / or official war declaration.
Pirate alliance:
an alliance thats attacks other Peolpe without official war declaration.
If they attack other people NOT in their territory and / or are defending thier territory..
And Yes u and all CAŠs are pirates!
edit:
Experience with CA (= pirates)
during my time in delve. They attacked us without being threatened by us. Blockaded a2 (not thier territory!)Captured stations (again not their territory) and they didnŠt declare war on my Corp and former Alliance.
So.. yes... CA are Pirates
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Revolution
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Posted - 2004.12.09 09:59:00 -
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err, didnt you guys leave CA though..?
 
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Revolution
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Posted - 2004.12.09 09:59:00 -
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err, didnt you guys leave CA though..?
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Arud
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:05:00 -
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Attacking players minding their own business in 0.1 and above without a war decleration, thats a pirate.
and you guys are not ca, right?
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Arud
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:05:00 -
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Attacking players minding their own business in 0.1 and above without a war decleration, thats a pirate.
and you guys are not ca, right?
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Xendie
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:05:00 -
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yeah i heard you left CA so you propably are "independent terrorists" now since you wage war on alliances for your own amusement.
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Xendie
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:05:00 -
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yeah i heard you left CA so you propably are "independent terrorists" now since you wage war on alliances for your own amusement.
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Arud
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:07:00 -
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 Originally by: Xendie
yeah i heard you left CA so you propably are "independent terrorists" now since you wage war on alliances for your own amusement.
yes that is probably true
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Arud
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Xendie
yeah i heard you left CA so you propably are "independent terrorists" now since you wage war on alliances for your own amusement.
yes that is probably true
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thebold
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Revolution
err, didnt you guys leave CA though..?
Word is they left CA Alliance (System) not CA to declare war on people..
Well hey since supremecy is a empire war fighter these days makes sense to me.. but still good old fashioned 0.0 no rules no limit fighting is what this game is all about ;)
-amen-
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thebold
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Revolution
err, didnt you guys leave CA though..?
Word is they left CA Alliance (System) not CA to declare war on people..
Well hey since supremecy is a empire war fighter these days makes sense to me.. but still good old fashioned 0.0 no rules no limit fighting is what this game is all about ;)
-amen-
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magickangaroo
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:09:00 -
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my personaly defo of a pirate (and ive only met one) is a person who will lock u down get u into hull and ask for money to let u live. or put u in a pod and ask for cash not to pod u.
everyone else is just pvp person. or a griefer.
mgk
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magickangaroo
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:09:00 -
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my personaly defo of a pirate (and ive only met one) is a person who will lock u down get u into hull and ask for money to let u live. or put u in a pod and ask for cash not to pod u.
everyone else is just pvp person. or a griefer.
mgk
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:11:00 -
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1. That your (only) way of making ISK is through attacking others, AND that there is no other reason behind the attack.
(well, that you enjoy attacking ppl is ok as a second reason combined with ISK)
2. Not really, there aren't many real pirates left. But the Curse Alliance of Pirates referr to the founding of your alliance.
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
dalman
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:11:00 -
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1. That your (only) way of making ISK is through attacking others, AND that there is no other reason behind the attack.
(well, that you enjoy attacking ppl is ok as a second reason combined with ISK)
2. Not really, there aren't many real pirates left. But the Curse Alliance of Pirates referr to the founding of your alliance.
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Ghost Red
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:12:00 -
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Does being called a pirate really bother you that much? I get called all sorts of thing in-game.  All of it I ignore.
This pirate/not pirate discussion is one of those eternal arguments that will rage until they switch the servers off. I can't answer it, I'm afraid. To some people, being called a pirate is insulting. Its not what I call insulting, but all take things differently. Its a crap answer I know, but I really don't know what else to add. Its all been pretty much said and flogged to death on these forums before.
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Ghost Red
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:12:00 -
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Does being called a pirate really bother you that much? I get called all sorts of thing in-game. All of it I ignore.
This pirate/not pirate discussion is one of those eternal arguments that will rage until they switch the servers off. I can't answer it, I'm afraid. To some people, being called a pirate is insulting. Its not what I call insulting, but all take things differently. Its a crap answer I know, but I really don't know what else to add. Its all been pretty much said and flogged to death on these forums before.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:16:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 09/12/2004 10:19:12
Originally by: magickangaroo
my personaly defo of a pirate (and ive only met one) is a person who will lock u down get u into hull and ask for money to let u live. or put u in a pod and ask for cash not to pod u.
everyone else is just pvp person. or a griefer.
mgk
agree with the bouncyboy.
As for CA, they used to have lots of pirates in their ranks. Then the world of piracy changed and we saw pirates turn into simple pk'ers for the most part.
Now the CA are just fun to shoot but you will always be stuck with old nicknames ;)
You bunch of pirates, yarrrr!
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:16:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 09/12/2004 10:19:12
Originally by: magickangaroo
my personaly defo of a pirate (and ive only met one) is a person who will lock u down get u into hull and ask for money to let u live. or put u in a pod and ask for cash not to pod u.
everyone else is just pvp person. or a griefer.
mgk
agree with the bouncyboy.
As for CA, they used to have lots of pirates in their ranks. Then the world of piracy changed and we saw pirates turn into simple pk'ers for the most part.
Now the CA are just fun to shoot but you will always be stuck with old nicknames ;)
You bunch of pirates, yarrrr!
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:19:00 -
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Edited by: Gungankllr on 09/12/2004 10:25:19
PiÀrate:
1: a: One who robs at sea or plunders the land from the sea without commission from a sovereign nation.
b: A ship used for this purpose.
2: a: One who preys on others; a plunderer.
That is the Webster's Dictionary version of what a pirate is.
I think that 2.a basically fits all persons who prey on others, regardless of ransom, shipkilling, podding...etc..
For my experiences in game:
I've been shot at, chased, shipkilled and podded in a2 and along the corridor to 5-6q just for being there by RUS, VOTF and a number of other CA corps.
For the most part CA just sat around ganking industrials and lone ships in a2.
www.hadean.org
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:19:00 -
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Edited by: Gungankllr on 09/12/2004 10:25:19
PiÀrate:
1: a: One who robs at sea or plunders the land from the sea without commission from a sovereign nation.
b: A ship used for this purpose.
2: a: One who preys on others; a plunderer.
That is the Webster's Dictionary version of what a pirate is.
I think that 2.a basically fits all persons who prey on others, regardless of ransom, shipkilling, podding...etc..
For my experiences in game:
I've been shot at, chased, shipkilled and podded in a2 and along the corridor to 5-6q just for being there by RUS, VOTF and a number of other CA corps.
For the most part CA just sat around ganking industrials and lone ships in a2.
www.hadean.org
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Vex Seraphim
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:22:00 -
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Vex Seraphim
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:22:00 -
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:25:00 -
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As with many, my thoughts on piracy have changed as my gameplay changed. Interesting to see how as i got more into PvP, the term pirate didn't have as much meaning as it did and my opinion of CA changed
When i first started:
m0o, Space Invaders, m3g4, zombie etc were the pirates.
My definition then: Pirates were scum who hunted in low sec space and killed/ransomed people they came across. They blockaded systems stargates or the jump in points for loot or giggles. 0.0 . . what was that? Curse . . yeah, read something about them on the forums. . . . they're pirates aren't they? scum! go CC!
When I was in the CFS:
Still alot of the same people pirating (m0o, SI etc) but i became aware of the solo pirates of 0.0 Cyrus Virus, MissTake and the R.O.R. crowd.
my definition then: Low sec killing and often cowardly scum who ganked indies and other people in 0.0 space for loot or giggles or even in 1.0 in suicide kessies. More often than not they were solo operators or small groups. They camped Gates in 0.0 gateway systems like FD-MLJ and Obe. As for CA . . yeah, alot stuff on the boards and the CFS guys say they're pirates so I guess they must be. Ones i spoke with didn't go yaaaaar i noticed. They seem okay though.
When i joined c4/CA:
Alot of the usual suspects had gone and there were afew more pirating groups, less solo operators though in 0.0 though. Probably because cruise missiles and torps had been restricted to higher ships.
Pirates were players who as a living hunted people in low sec space in empire for loot. They gank as they can and don't fight large groups. CA aren't the big bogeymen they were made out to be, the ones i've spoken to seem great guys tbph.
More recently
New pirates groups in Lonetrek again, quite afew move about and the term pirate is on the increase, notably in relation to BoB. heh.
Definition: "real" Pirates kill as and when they can and do it for the enjoyment and for the loot, most often in low sec empire space like the syndicate, lonetrek or the bleak lands. It's just another way of playing the game. They're often great friendly people and the fact that they want to kill you is just their job. The word pirate has become a coined-phrase for PvP'er to be perfectly honest.
As for CA, well, good people, good fighters and in the game for fun and enjoyment.
Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:25:00 -
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As with many, my thoughts on piracy have changed as my gameplay changed. Interesting to see how as i got more into PvP, the term pirate didn't have as much meaning as it did and my opinion of CA changed
When i first started:
m0o, Space Invaders, m3g4, zombie etc were the pirates.
My definition then: Pirates were scum who hunted in low sec space and killed/ransomed people they came across. They blockaded systems stargates or the jump in points for loot or giggles. 0.0 . . what was that? Curse . . yeah, read something about them on the forums. . . . they're pirates aren't they? scum! go CC!
When I was in the CFS:
Still alot of the same people pirating (m0o, SI etc) but i became aware of the solo pirates of 0.0 Cyrus Virus, MissTake and the R.O.R. crowd.
my definition then: Low sec killing and often cowardly scum who ganked indies and other people in 0.0 space for loot or giggles or even in 1.0 in suicide kessies. More often than not they were solo operators or small groups. They camped Gates in 0.0 gateway systems like FD-MLJ and Obe. As for CA . . yeah, alot stuff on the boards and the CFS guys say they're pirates so I guess they must be. Ones i spoke with didn't go yaaaaar i noticed. They seem okay though.
When i joined c4/CA:
Alot of the usual suspects had gone and there were afew more pirating groups, less solo operators though in 0.0 though. Probably because cruise missiles and torps had been restricted to higher ships.
Pirates were players who as a living hunted people in low sec space in empire for loot. They gank as they can and don't fight large groups. CA aren't the big bogeymen they were made out to be, the ones i've spoken to seem great guys tbph.
More recently
New pirates groups in Lonetrek again, quite afew move about and the term pirate is on the increase, notably in relation to BoB. heh.
Definition: "real" Pirates kill as and when they can and do it for the enjoyment and for the loot, most often in low sec empire space like the syndicate, lonetrek or the bleak lands. It's just another way of playing the game. They're often great friendly people and the fact that they want to kill you is just their job. The word pirate has become a coined-phrase for PvP'er to be perfectly honest.
As for CA, well, good people, good fighters and in the game for fun and enjoyment.
Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
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Loka
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: Loka on 09/12/2004 10:34:38
Edited by: Loka on 09/12/2004 10:33:43
Originally by: Xendie
yeah i heard you left CA so you propably are "independent terrorists" now since you wage war on alliances for your own amusement.
So any RL state, who is declaring war are terrorists right?
Terrorism:
It is violence against civilians or similar noncombatants, especially in order to achieve political or similarly ideological aims. Insurgents bombing armed opposing soldiers in a guerilla war is not terrorism, although of course it might be thus labelled for propaganda reasons.
We fight at least 90% of the time ppl who are fitted for combat and not for noncombat propose like mining.
Iam sure murderer would fit better than terrorists. But then most PvP orientated player in EVE are murderer, because they dont ask for a fight, but force their oponent to fight or die.
Pirate:
An armed ship or vessel which sails without a legal
commission, for the purpose of plundering other vessels on the high seas.
Well i dont feel as pirate to be honest.
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Loka
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: Loka on 09/12/2004 10:34:38
Edited by: Loka on 09/12/2004 10:33:43
Originally by: Xendie
yeah i heard you left CA so you propably are "independent terrorists" now since you wage war on alliances for your own amusement.
So any RL state, who is declaring war are terrorists right?
Terrorism:
It is violence against civilians or similar noncombatants, especially in order to achieve political or similarly ideological aims. Insurgents bombing armed opposing soldiers in a guerilla war is not terrorism, although of course it might be thus labelled for propaganda reasons.
We fight at least 90% of the time ppl who are fitted for combat and not for noncombat propose like mining.
Iam sure murderer would fit better than terrorists. But then most PvP orientated player in EVE are murderer, because they dont ask for a fight, but force their oponent to fight or die.
Pirate:
An armed ship or vessel which sails without a legal
commission, for the purpose of plundering other vessels on the high seas.
Well i dont feel as pirate to be honest.
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Dead or Alive
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Estios
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:33:00 -
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To me a pirate is someone who operates in Empire controlled space and kills without discretion but loses sec rating for it. Ideally they would ransom victims but game mechanics make that unrealistic most of the time.
There are no pirates in 0.0 space as far as Im concerned. Those people who camp choke points all day long and kill anyone coming out are greifers ....or pvp'ers with amazing levels of patience(some of them are very nice greifers I must add)
And those who roam around alliance/enemy 'claimed' space killing said alliance/enemy are proper PVP'ers because most people in 0.0 in alliances should be prepared to fight and most likely die.
On the subject of Pirates:
There's this man with a bald head and a wooden leg who gets invited to a fancy dress party. He doesn't know what costume to wear to hide his head and his leg so he writes to a fancy dress company to explain
the problem.
A few days later he receives a parcel with a note.
"Dear Sir, please find enclosed a pirates outfit. The spotted handkerchief will cover your bald head and with your wooden leg you will be just right as a
pirate".
The man thinks this is terrible because they have just emphasised his wooden leg and so he writes a really rude letter of complaint.
A week passes and he receives another parcel and a note which says
"Dear Sir, sorry about before, please find enclosed a monks habit.
The long robe will cover your wooden leg and with your bald head you will really look the part".
Now the man is really annoyed since they have gone from emphasising his wooden leg to emphasising his bald head and he writes the company a REALLY rude letter of complaint. The next day he receives a small
parcel and a note which reads "Dear Sir, please find enclosed a tin of treacle. Pour the tin of
treacle over your bald head, stick your wooden leg up your arse and go as a
toffee apple!"
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Estios
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:33:00 -
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To me a pirate is someone who operates in Empire controlled space and kills without discretion but loses sec rating for it. Ideally they would ransom victims but game mechanics make that unrealistic most of the time.
There are no pirates in 0.0 space as far as Im concerned. Those people who camp choke points all day long and kill anyone coming out are greifers ....or pvp'ers with amazing levels of patience(some of them are very nice greifers I must add)
And those who roam around alliance/enemy 'claimed' space killing said alliance/enemy are proper PVP'ers because most people in 0.0 in alliances should be prepared to fight and most likely die.
On the subject of Pirates:
There's this man with a bald head and a wooden leg who gets invited to a fancy dress party. He doesn't know what costume to wear to hide his head and his leg so he writes to a fancy dress company to explain
the problem.
A few days later he receives a parcel with a note.
"Dear Sir, please find enclosed a pirates outfit. The spotted handkerchief will cover your bald head and with your wooden leg you will be just right as a
pirate".
The man thinks this is terrible because they have just emphasised his wooden leg and so he writes a really rude letter of complaint.
A week passes and he receives another parcel and a note which says
"Dear Sir, sorry about before, please find enclosed a monks habit.
The long robe will cover your wooden leg and with your bald head you will really look the part".
Now the man is really annoyed since they have gone from emphasising his wooden leg to emphasising his bald head and he writes the company a REALLY rude letter of complaint. The next day he receives a small
parcel and a note which reads "Dear Sir, please find enclosed a tin of treacle. Pour the tin of
treacle over your bald head, stick your wooden leg up your arse and go as a
toffee apple!"
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:38:00 -
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Kind of a silly question don't you think ?
Of course CA are not pirates as a whole. But the term 'pirate' simply is used as the opposite to 'carebear' in this game. 'Griefer' is another such term applied to for example CA by some of the more extremist 'carebears'.
So why bother asking people if you are a pirate or not, cause you are not. The only pirates I knew in CA are long gone or dont practice piracy much anymore.
piracy = ransoming and killing for isk
griefing = randomly killing off someone's fun in the game without motive
alliances = simply bastards that don't give a **** for weakness but do have a goal
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:38:00 -
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Kind of a silly question don't you think ?
Of course CA are not pirates as a whole. But the term 'pirate' simply is used as the opposite to 'carebear' in this game. 'Griefer' is another such term applied to for example CA by some of the more extremist 'carebears'.
So why bother asking people if you are a pirate or not, cause you are not. The only pirates I knew in CA are long gone or dont practice piracy much anymore.
piracy = ransoming and killing for isk
griefing = randomly killing off someone's fun in the game without motive
alliances = simply bastards that don't give a **** for weakness but do have a goal
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Solutions to your issues. |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:40:00 -
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Pirate: "that guy i want to shoot/shooting me"
that's what it boils down to, really. :s
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:40:00 -
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Pirate: "that guy i want to shoot/shooting me"
that's what it boils down to, really. :s
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sternburg Export
Edited by: Sternburg Export on 09/12/2004 10:04:56
My definition of a pirate:
A guy who attacks other people without being attacked by them and / or official war declaration.
Pirate alliance:
an alliance thats attacks other Peolpe without official war declaration.
If they attack other people NOT in their territory and / or are defending thier territory..
And Yes u and all CAŠs are pirates!
edit:
Experience with CA (= pirates)
during my time in delve. They attacked us without being threatened by us. Blockaded a2 (not thier territory!)Captured stations (again not their territory) and they didnŠt declare war on my Corp and former Alliance.
So.. yes... CA are Pirates
CFS was at war with CA. So thats your war decleration (needed by your explenation..)
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sternburg Export
Edited by: Sternburg Export on 09/12/2004 10:04:56
My definition of a pirate:
A guy who attacks other people without being attacked by them and / or official war declaration.
Pirate alliance:
an alliance thats attacks other Peolpe without official war declaration.
If they attack other people NOT in their territory and / or are defending thier territory..
And Yes u and all CAŠs are pirates!
edit:
Experience with CA (= pirates)
during my time in delve. They attacked us without being threatened by us. Blockaded a2 (not thier territory!)Captured stations (again not their territory) and they didnŠt declare war on my Corp and former Alliance.
So.. yes... CA are Pirates
CFS was at war with CA. So thats your war decleration (needed by your explenation..)
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Sternburg Export
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: AvanCade
Originally by: Sternburg Export
Edited by: Sternburg Export on 09/12/2004 10:04:56
My definition of a pirate:
A guy who attacks other people without being attacked by them and / or official war declaration.
Pirate alliance:
an alliance thats attacks other Peolpe without official war declaration.
If they attack other people NOT in their territory and / or are defending thier territory..
And Yes u and all CAŠs are pirates!
edit:
Experience with CA (= pirates)
during my time in delve. They attacked us without being threatened by us. Blockaded a2 (not thier territory!)Captured stations (again not their territory) and they didnŠt declare war on my Corp and former Alliance.
So.. yes... CA are Pirates
CFS was at war with CA. So thats your war decleration (needed by your explenation..)
WE (star alliance) werenŠt at war with ca :)
and afiak we were not part of CFS 
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Sternburg Export
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: AvanCade
Originally by: Sternburg Export
Edited by: Sternburg Export on 09/12/2004 10:04:56
My definition of a pirate:
A guy who attacks other people without being attacked by them and / or official war declaration.
Pirate alliance:
an alliance thats attacks other Peolpe without official war declaration.
If they attack other people NOT in their territory and / or are defending thier territory..
And Yes u and all CAŠs are pirates!
edit:
Experience with CA (= pirates)
during my time in delve. They attacked us without being threatened by us. Blockaded a2 (not thier territory!)Captured stations (again not their territory) and they didnŠt declare war on my Corp and former Alliance.
So.. yes... CA are Pirates
CFS was at war with CA. So thats your war decleration (needed by your explenation..)
WE (star alliance) werenŠt at war with ca :)
and afiak we were not part of CFS
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:56:00 -
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And if you ask me, people in alliances cannot be pirates. And as far as i know, CA has only 1 lame corporation making them self guilty on pirating, and that is Dark Cartel [D-C].
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:56:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Sternburg Export
Originally by: AvanCade
Originally by: Sternburg Export
Edited by: Sternburg Export on 09/12/2004 10:04:56
My definition of a pirate:
A guy who attacks other people without being attacked by them and / or official war declaration.
Pirate alliance:
an alliance thats attacks other Peolpe without official war declaration.
If they attack other people NOT in their territory and / or are defending thier territory..
And Yes u and all CAŠs are pirates!
edit:
Experience with CA (= pirates)
during my time in delve. They attacked us without being threatened by us. Blockaded a2 (not thier territory!)Captured stations (again not their territory) and they didnŠt declare war on my Corp and former Alliance.
So.. yes... CA are Pirates
CFS was at war with CA. So thats your war decleration (needed by your explenation..)
WE (star alliance) werenŠt at war with ca :)
and afiak we were not part of CFS
It still was CFS space.
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:56:00 -
[43]
And if you ask me, people in alliances cannot be pirates. And as far as i know, CA has only 1 lame corporation making them self guilty on pirating, and that is Dark Cartel [D-C].
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:56:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Sternburg Export
Originally by: AvanCade
Originally by: Sternburg Export
Edited by: Sternburg Export on 09/12/2004 10:04:56
My definition of a pirate:
A guy who attacks other people without being attacked by them and / or official war declaration.
Pirate alliance:
an alliance thats attacks other Peolpe without official war declaration.
If they attack other people NOT in their territory and / or are defending thier territory..
And Yes u and all CAŠs are pirates!
edit:
Experience with CA (= pirates)
during my time in delve. They attacked us without being threatened by us. Blockaded a2 (not thier territory!)Captured stations (again not their territory) and they didnŠt declare war on my Corp and former Alliance.
So.. yes... CA are Pirates
CFS was at war with CA. So thats your war decleration (needed by your explenation..)
WE (star alliance) werenŠt at war with ca :)
and afiak we were not part of CFS
It still was CFS space.
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:58:00 -
[45]
Its a fine line between Piracy/terrorist.
A Pirate is out for getting as much as he can from his victim considering you guys really dont care about that you would not be a pirate.
A terrorist on the other hand is out to cause as much Damage as possible againest the targets of choice, your Alliance would fit into this catagory.
Simple Facts as regards CA is they Ignore the soverign rights of other alliances, if it is possible they will work to kill/Destroy or undermine any alliance they feel like without any thought and use the excuse of we are pv'pers.
Unfortunatly Eve has 2 different sorts of people, the people that play this game to enjoy the construction/reserch/building side of things and the people that prefare the kill stuff side of things, unfortunatly we dont see posts about (OMFG i was going through Yulai the other Day and this guy from NAGA jumped me at the gate and made me run his factory for a hour ).
Simple Fact is Pvper's will force there way of play on other players, they will come out with all the usual crap, "you should not be here" "its your own fault you went below 0.4" " they are the risks you take ".
I am part of a alliance, we have rules, our rules are simple, if you are a neutral you are asked to leave, if you refuse then we will attack, but at least you get the option.
CA however have this policy of involving everyone in there wars, they shoot everyone in 0.0 no matter what 0.0 it is they shoot neutral corps in 0.0 space that does not belong to them, Example the CFS, even though CA came to the CFS regions to kill CFS they also shot every other person they came across.
As regards my ingame exsperiance I have seen CA attack Corps that have no alliance affiliations in 0.0, example Hayden Drive yards in querious when afew of them came down to do some NPC hunting. This sort of behaviour is not pirating just simple terrorism.
Some people play this game and when they play try to play in character, some people play this game as CS the space mod. The people that play in character will call the players pirates/terrorists, referring to there character not the player, Griefer is a out of character title so I wont bother discussing.
If you play in character CA are nothing but a terrorist state, out of character CA are a bunch of pvper's.
Thats my 2 cents
" Stay Frosty "
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:58:00 -
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Its a fine line between Piracy/terrorist.
A Pirate is out for getting as much as he can from his victim considering you guys really dont care about that you would not be a pirate.
A terrorist on the other hand is out to cause as much Damage as possible againest the targets of choice, your Alliance would fit into this catagory.
Simple Facts as regards CA is they Ignore the soverign rights of other alliances, if it is possible they will work to kill/Destroy or undermine any alliance they feel like without any thought and use the excuse of we are pv'pers.
Unfortunatly Eve has 2 different sorts of people, the people that play this game to enjoy the construction/reserch/building side of things and the people that prefare the kill stuff side of things, unfortunatly we dont see posts about (OMFG i was going through Yulai the other Day and this guy from NAGA jumped me at the gate and made me run his factory for a hour ).
Simple Fact is Pvper's will force there way of play on other players, they will come out with all the usual crap, "you should not be here" "its your own fault you went below 0.4" " they are the risks you take ".
I am part of a alliance, we have rules, our rules are simple, if you are a neutral you are asked to leave, if you refuse then we will attack, but at least you get the option.
CA however have this policy of involving everyone in there wars, they shoot everyone in 0.0 no matter what 0.0 it is they shoot neutral corps in 0.0 space that does not belong to them, Example the CFS, even though CA came to the CFS regions to kill CFS they also shot every other person they came across.
As regards my ingame exsperiance I have seen CA attack Corps that have no alliance affiliations in 0.0, example Hayden Drive yards in querious when afew of them came down to do some NPC hunting. This sort of behaviour is not pirating just simple terrorism.
Some people play this game and when they play try to play in character, some people play this game as CS the space mod. The people that play in character will call the players pirates/terrorists, referring to there character not the player, Griefer is a out of character title so I wont bother discussing.
If you play in character CA are nothing but a terrorist state, out of character CA are a bunch of pvper's.
Thats my 2 cents
" Stay Frosty "
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slip66
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Estios
To me a pirate is someone who operates in Empire controlled space and kills without discretion but loses sec rating for it. Ideally they would ransom victims but game mechanics make that unrealistic most of the time.
There are no pirates in 0.0 space as far as Im concerned. Those people who camp choke points all day long and kill anyone coming out are greifers ....or pvp'ers with amazing levels of patience(some of them are very nice greifers I must add)
And those who roam around alliance/enemy 'claimed' space killing said alliance/enemy are proper PVP'ers because most people in 0.0 in alliances should be prepared to fight and most likely die.
thats how I see it aswell. Fact is if there had never been a CA untill today say, then we all formed up and called ourselves CA. Then said "we hate SA cause well they are our neighbors and stuff." We prolly wouldnt have the pirate tag. Just warmongers.
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slip66
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Posted - 2004.12.09 10:59:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Estios
To me a pirate is someone who operates in Empire controlled space and kills without discretion but loses sec rating for it. Ideally they would ransom victims but game mechanics make that unrealistic most of the time.
There are no pirates in 0.0 space as far as Im concerned. Those people who camp choke points all day long and kill anyone coming out are greifers ....or pvp'ers with amazing levels of patience(some of them are very nice greifers I must add)
And those who roam around alliance/enemy 'claimed' space killing said alliance/enemy are proper PVP'ers because most people in 0.0 in alliances should be prepared to fight and most likely die.
thats how I see it aswell. Fact is if there had never been a CA untill today say, then we all formed up and called ourselves CA. Then said "we hate SA cause well they are our neighbors and stuff." We prolly wouldnt have the pirate tag. Just warmongers.
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meowcat
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:01:00 -
[49]
This is what you need
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meowcat
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:01:00 -
[50]
This is what you need
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Sternburg Export
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:05:00 -
[51]
Originally by: AvanCade
Originally by: Sternburg Export
Originally by: AvanCade
Originally by: Sternburg Export
Edited by: Sternburg Export on 09/12/2004 10:04:56
My definition of a pirate:
A guy who attacks other people without being attacked by them and / or official war declaration.
Pirate alliance:
an alliance thats attacks other Peolpe without official war declaration.
If they attack other people NOT in their territory and / or are defending thier territory..
And Yes u and all CAŠs are pirates!
edit:
Experience with CA (= pirates)
during my time in delve. They attacked us without being threatened by us. Blockaded a2 (not thier territory!)Captured stations (again not their territory) and they didnŠt declare war on my Corp and former Alliance.
So.. yes... CA are Pirates
CFS was at war with CA. So thats your war decleration (needed by your explenation..)
WE (star alliance) werenŠt at war with ca :)
and afiak we were not part of CFS
It still was CFS space.
ur point of view.
My point is:
At first we were visitors in CFS space << CA attacked us
Then we were citizens of CFS space << CA attacked us
We were never Part of CFS. Only part of UFS (before FA - UFS war started)
Yes we defended our home (mostly 5-6 and MO) but we were not part of CFS at anytime.
Ca have had an official war with CFS.. mkay.. but not with StA.
So, ca started piracy against Star pilots at the time they attacked the first StA pilot ;)
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Sternburg Export
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:05:00 -
[52]
Originally by: AvanCade
Originally by: Sternburg Export
Originally by: AvanCade
Originally by: Sternburg Export
Edited by: Sternburg Export on 09/12/2004 10:04:56
My definition of a pirate:
A guy who attacks other people without being attacked by them and / or official war declaration.
Pirate alliance:
an alliance thats attacks other Peolpe without official war declaration.
If they attack other people NOT in their territory and / or are defending thier territory..
And Yes u and all CAŠs are pirates!
edit:
Experience with CA (= pirates)
during my time in delve. They attacked us without being threatened by us. Blockaded a2 (not thier territory!)Captured stations (again not their territory) and they didnŠt declare war on my Corp and former Alliance.
So.. yes... CA are Pirates
CFS was at war with CA. So thats your war decleration (needed by your explenation..)
WE (star alliance) werenŠt at war with ca :)
and afiak we were not part of CFS
It still was CFS space.
ur point of view.
My point is:
At first we were visitors in CFS space << CA attacked us
Then we were citizens of CFS space << CA attacked us
We were never Part of CFS. Only part of UFS (before FA - UFS war started)
Yes we defended our home (mostly 5-6 and MO) but we were not part of CFS at anytime.
Ca have had an official war with CFS.. mkay.. but not with StA.
So, ca started piracy against Star pilots at the time they attacked the first StA pilot ;)
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:06:00 -
[53]
Edited by: corporal hicks on 09/12/2004 11:09:33
BTW this is a intresting topic, lets not have the flamers ect come out for this plenty of other topics to work on.
This is not directed at anyone in particular.
" Stay Frosty "
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:06:00 -
[54]
Edited by: corporal hicks on 09/12/2004 11:09:33
BTW this is a intresting topic, lets not have the flamers ect come out for this plenty of other topics to work on.
This is not directed at anyone in particular.
" Stay Frosty "
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Kahlee
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:09:00 -
[55]
1. EVE pirate is a pilot who attacks neutrals for other reason except isk/fun. Ofc if they are your enemy youre not a pirate, but parking in a chokepoint and shooting everyone except blue is classical piracy
2. Everlasting Vendetta for starters. My first podding was by a Shinra pilot. Mercenary Forces are CA. Also there was a post from a CA corp CEO who said they engage in piracy from time to time, but dont expect to be defended by CA if attacked by anti-pirates. Most CA arent pirates but the fact that CA HQ doesnt punish its pilots for piratical activity is the reason it is rightfuly branded as pirate. As opposed to you, there was an incident where FA pilot used hid alliance membership as leverage for extortion from low sec miners. As soon as it was found out, he was promptly kicked out.
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Kahlee
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:09:00 -
[56]
1. EVE pirate is a pilot who attacks neutrals for other reason except isk/fun. Ofc if they are your enemy youre not a pirate, but parking in a chokepoint and shooting everyone except blue is classical piracy
2. Everlasting Vendetta for starters. My first podding was by a Shinra pilot. Mercenary Forces are CA. Also there was a post from a CA corp CEO who said they engage in piracy from time to time, but dont expect to be defended by CA if attacked by anti-pirates. Most CA arent pirates but the fact that CA HQ doesnt punish its pilots for piratical activity is the reason it is rightfuly branded as pirate. As opposed to you, there was an incident where FA pilot used hid alliance membership as leverage for extortion from low sec miners. As soon as it was found out, he was promptly kicked out.
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Araviel
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:11:00 -
[57]
Originally by: magickangaroo
my personaly defo of a pirate (and ive only met one) is a person who will lock u down get u into hull and ask for money to let u live. or put u in a pod and ask for cash not to pod u.
everyone else is just pvp person. or a griefer.
mgk
i agree whit this definition, and yes i have seen individual CA pilots doing this, so yes i would consider CA to be pirates untill they get a official rule against ransoming others.
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Araviel
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:11:00 -
[58]
Originally by: magickangaroo
my personaly defo of a pirate (and ive only met one) is a person who will lock u down get u into hull and ask for money to let u live. or put u in a pod and ask for cash not to pod u.
everyone else is just pvp person. or a griefer.
mgk
i agree whit this definition, and yes i have seen individual CA pilots doing this, so yes i would consider CA to be pirates untill they get a official rule against ransoming others.
EPIC Recruitment post
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Helmut 314
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:32:00 -
[59]
My definition of a pirate in Eve :
A person who shows no respect for other peoples property and aquires or destroys it for his own pleasure.
My definition of a pirate corp in Eve :
A corp with a large proportion of members who behave like pirates.
Now, some will say that 0.0 is lawless and that these definitions then dont apply. Not true. Wherever there is no written law we all carry our own code of conduct. Some people pirate or steal if they think they can get away with it. Some people dont even if they could get away scot free. Many people hover inbetween these two extremes.
All CA arent ebil pirates. Many CA behave like that though, go out and attack anyone they find for their own amusement. That is by my definition piracy. This is the side that all too many Eve pilots experience. Of course, bragging about it on the Eve forums doesnt help your (CA:s) public image very much either.
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Helmut 314
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:32:00 -
[60]
My definition of a pirate in Eve :
A person who shows no respect for other peoples property and aquires or destroys it for his own pleasure.
My definition of a pirate corp in Eve :
A corp with a large proportion of members who behave like pirates.
Now, some will say that 0.0 is lawless and that these definitions then dont apply. Not true. Wherever there is no written law we all carry our own code of conduct. Some people pirate or steal if they think they can get away with it. Some people dont even if they could get away scot free. Many people hover inbetween these two extremes.
All CA arent ebil pirates. Many CA behave like that though, go out and attack anyone they find for their own amusement. That is by my definition piracy. This is the side that all too many Eve pilots experience. Of course, bragging about it on the Eve forums doesnt help your (CA:s) public image very much either.
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Framlino
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:37:00 -
[61]
During my time in CA, I can honestly say that they played EVE to enjoy the game and played it there way and were not into pointless diplomacy to enlarge their mountain of ISK.
There was/is a lot of mutual respect with SE and we had fun with other corps that invaded our space as well and if I got podded I took it on the chin.
As for CFS.....
The majority of their stations were owned by FA and they supported FA by paying taxes for either docking fees/production/refining, yet seemed surprised when they or anyone else who used the station got podded.
I think that CA operated a bit of good old Gunboat diplomacy with CFS, giving them a hard time so that they sould see that supporting FA was not a wise choice. If you were a neutral there, than it was generally your fault if you got killed, as you were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
IMHO piracy is largely dead in Eve with the demise of corps such as Space Invaders and the old M0o. I must admit that I like BoB/CA and SE as what you see is what you get with these alliances
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Framlino
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:37:00 -
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During my time in CA, I can honestly say that they played EVE to enjoy the game and played it there way and were not into pointless diplomacy to enlarge their mountain of ISK.
There was/is a lot of mutual respect with SE and we had fun with other corps that invaded our space as well and if I got podded I took it on the chin.
As for CFS.....
The majority of their stations were owned by FA and they supported FA by paying taxes for either docking fees/production/refining, yet seemed surprised when they or anyone else who used the station got podded.
I think that CA operated a bit of good old Gunboat diplomacy with CFS, giving them a hard time so that they sould see that supporting FA was not a wise choice. If you were a neutral there, than it was generally your fault if you got killed, as you were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
IMHO piracy is largely dead in Eve with the demise of corps such as Space Invaders and the old M0o. I must admit that I like BoB/CA and SE as what you see is what you get with these alliances
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:44:00 -
[63]
Originally by: corporal hicks
Simple Fact is Pvper's will force there way of play on other players, they will come out with all the usual crap, "you should not be here" "its your own fault you went below 0.4" " they are the risks you take ".
It is however, true. No space in EVE is completely safe space, let alone the fact that 01. - 0.4 are dangerous and 0.0 is a free for all. They are the risks you take and you've already clicked the "i want to enter unsafe space" button.
Originally by: corporal hicks
CA however have this policy of involving everyone in there wars, they shoot everyone in 0.0 no matter what 0.0 it is they shoot neutral corps in 0.0 space that does not belong to them, Example the CFS, even though CA came to the CFS regions to kill CFS they also shot every other person they came across.
Not quite true. When OC + Zoners and afew others took a wee trip up to the pure blind area, we made sure that any neutral fire incidents were kept to a minimum. If i remember correctly, on at least one occasion where there was a neutral BS kill, the guy was recompensed. We were there to fight specific groups of people, not just gank everythingthing that moved. Conversely, there have been ops where everything has been killed in another area (NORAD/PF with VOTF etc).
There is a general ROE that covers 0.0, but it is of course mutable. If it's not blue, green or purple, it's shootable. That covers friendly and enemy territory.
CA is at war with effectively the rest of eve, and are at war with most of the 0.0 territories near them. (SA/XIF/ex-CFS regions) so when they are in those territories, everything is taken as fair game. Just as XIF and SA when in CA space take anything not blue, green or purple to be KOS.
meh.
Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:44:00 -
[64]
Originally by: corporal hicks
Simple Fact is Pvper's will force there way of play on other players, they will come out with all the usual crap, "you should not be here" "its your own fault you went below 0.4" " they are the risks you take ".
It is however, true. No space in EVE is completely safe space, let alone the fact that 01. - 0.4 are dangerous and 0.0 is a free for all. They are the risks you take and you've already clicked the "i want to enter unsafe space" button.
Originally by: corporal hicks
CA however have this policy of involving everyone in there wars, they shoot everyone in 0.0 no matter what 0.0 it is they shoot neutral corps in 0.0 space that does not belong to them, Example the CFS, even though CA came to the CFS regions to kill CFS they also shot every other person they came across.
Not quite true. When OC + Zoners and afew others took a wee trip up to the pure blind area, we made sure that any neutral fire incidents were kept to a minimum. If i remember correctly, on at least one occasion where there was a neutral BS kill, the guy was recompensed. We were there to fight specific groups of people, not just gank everythingthing that moved. Conversely, there have been ops where everything has been killed in another area (NORAD/PF with VOTF etc).
There is a general ROE that covers 0.0, but it is of course mutable. If it's not blue, green or purple, it's shootable. That covers friendly and enemy territory.
CA is at war with effectively the rest of eve, and are at war with most of the 0.0 territories near them. (SA/XIF/ex-CFS regions) so when they are in those territories, everything is taken as fair game. Just as XIF and SA when in CA space take anything not blue, green or purple to be KOS.
meh.
Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
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arutha
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:47:00 -
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pirate = person who kills other ships too retreave modules too sell . (no podkill). outside a declared war
soldier= person who kills other ships in a declared war (no pod kill) sees in duty too destroy ships for his corp . alliance etc
murderer= anyone who podkills .(accidents happen) but anyone who persistantly pod kills is just a murderer .
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arutha
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:47:00 -
[66]
pirate = person who kills other ships too retreave modules too sell . (no podkill). outside a declared war
soldier= person who kills other ships in a declared war (no pod kill) sees in duty too destroy ships for his corp . alliance etc
murderer= anyone who podkills .(accidents happen) but anyone who persistantly pod kills is just a murderer .
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:50:00 -
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CA can't pirate in 0.0, so killing/ransoming people in empire is the only form of piracy we could be classed under.
ALL 0.0 regions are warzones or CA territory for CA. Even the two unclaimed 0.0 regions (Pure Blind and Providence) are under heavy use by our enemies (Pure Blind = BoB, FU, CoD, Providence is used heavily by XF). Syndicate (partly claimed) is used heavily by NORAD and FA. That leaves the rest of the regions - all of which are claimed by enemies of the CA, bar PA -in PA space everything is KOS as we fight for our allies.
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2004.12.09 11:50:00 -
[68]
CA can't pirate in 0.0, so killing/ransoming people in empire is the only form of piracy we could be classed under.
ALL 0.0 regions are warzones or CA territory for CA. Even the two unclaimed 0.0 regions (Pure Blind and Providence) are under heavy use by our enemies (Pure Blind = BoB, FU, CoD, Providence is used heavily by XF). Syndicate (partly claimed) is used heavily by NORAD and FA. That leaves the rest of the regions - all of which are claimed by enemies of the CA, bar PA -in PA space everything is KOS as we fight for our allies.
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Celestial Voice
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Posted - 2004.12.09 12:20:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Celestial Voice on 09/12/2004 12:23:37
Celestial Apocalypse's defintion of what makes up a "pirate" is a follows.
1. Clear cut pirate group. Majority of players negative sec <-5. Usually have skull and crossbones in logo and a yarr in their corp descrition. Tend to hang out in empire and tank sentries/shoot miners in belts.This form of piracy is in decline but still exsits.
2. 0.0 pirates. Shoot at everyone not allied in 0.0. All neutral corps are considered to be fair game regardless of faction/wars. In regard to alliances this will include players who kill neutral players they arent offically at war with outside thier claimed area.
CA may of have had a few corps in the first category that changed when they joined CA. Examples might include paladins of redskull,corp1, cow, crice etc but in fairness few of the majority of the corps could be defined as traditional pirate corps however most of ca could fall into category 2.
There are other definitions that probably fit CA better than "pirate". An agressive, expansitile, plundering, murdering evil empire eg viking raiders/mongols might be more appropiate, but the truth is probably more that they like pvp and want to have as many targets as possible.
I have tried to post constructively on the topic so please dont flame celest as a result.
Celes Kill Board
"Celestial Apocalypse, death from above"
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Celestial Voice
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Posted - 2004.12.09 12:20:00 -
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Edited by: Celestial Voice on 09/12/2004 12:23:37
Celestial Apocalypse's defintion of what makes up a "pirate" is a follows.
1. Clear cut pirate group. Majority of players negative sec <-5. Usually have skull and crossbones in logo and a yarr in their corp descrition. Tend to hang out in empire and tank sentries/shoot miners in belts.This form of piracy is in decline but still exsits.
2. 0.0 pirates. Shoot at everyone not allied in 0.0. All neutral corps are considered to be fair game regardless of faction/wars. In regard to alliances this will include players who kill neutral players they arent offically at war with outside thier claimed area.
CA may of have had a few corps in the first category that changed when they joined CA. Examples might include paladins of redskull,corp1, cow, crice etc but in fairness few of the majority of the corps could be defined as traditional pirate corps however most of ca could fall into category 2.
There are other definitions that probably fit CA better than "pirate". An agressive, expansitile, plundering, murdering evil empire eg viking raiders/mongols might be more appropiate, but the truth is probably more that they like pvp and want to have as many targets as possible.
I have tried to post constructively on the topic so please dont flame celest as a result.
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Posted - 2004.12.09 12:25:00 -
[71]
Edited by: LeviUK on 09/12/2004 12:30:03
In my personal opinion, pirates in this game aren't the same as pirates of lore. The traditional pirates of the high seas were primaily after plunder (and Privateers of course were given letters of marque to attack enemies of the country issuing the letter) whereas in Eve, I consider pirates to be those that simply kill for the sake of killing - no financial, territorial or political motives - one such corporation I'd class to be pirates are Fallschirmjager who would (and afaik, still do) commonly attack people (almost anyone) in <0.5 space in empire - tanking Sentry guns.
edit: Fallschirmjager are now at war with FA now anyway but whether that is a political move or simply to make it easier to do what they do, I don't really know.
Terrorists also exist in the game, there are several corps who exist simply to harass and attack specific corporations and/or alliances for a 'cause' whatever that may be.
CA on the other hand have political reasons to attack others - granted, their politics do lean heavily on the aggressive side (lo Mr Bush) but still, if a CA member were to attack me, I'd only assume it was down to me being a member of FA which is fair enough.
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Posted - 2004.12.09 12:25:00 -
[72]
Edited by: LeviUK on 09/12/2004 12:30:03
In my personal opinion, pirates in this game aren't the same as pirates of lore. The traditional pirates of the high seas were primaily after plunder (and Privateers of course were given letters of marque to attack enemies of the country issuing the letter) whereas in Eve, I consider pirates to be those that simply kill for the sake of killing - no financial, territorial or political motives - one such corporation I'd class to be pirates are Fallschirmjager who would (and afaik, still do) commonly attack people (almost anyone) in <0.5 space in empire - tanking Sentry guns.
edit: Fallschirmjager are now at war with FA now anyway but whether that is a political move or simply to make it easier to do what they do, I don't really know.
Terrorists also exist in the game, there are several corps who exist simply to harass and attack specific corporations and/or alliances for a 'cause' whatever that may be.
CA on the other hand have political reasons to attack others - granted, their politics do lean heavily on the aggressive side (lo Mr Bush) but still, if a CA member were to attack me, I'd only assume it was down to me being a member of FA which is fair enough.
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Posted - 2004.12.09 12:28:00 -
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Good point celest could be compared to Vikings ect, main point i suppose is CA has went out of its way to start a fight with everyone, I suppose after a while its just old news and without any abilitie to stop them people just kind of wonder at times why o why.
At times you feel like Eve is a CS mod in space, kill CA they respawn at CA HQ buy new gear and head straight back out.
The system needs abit of a overhaul as regards insurance ect and costs, at moment its just so easy, you have a few hundred million isk in bank and a bs and you can just pvp for months on end, you never have to mine or npc hunt or generate isk in any way the system just recycles it for you.
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2004.12.09 12:28:00 -
[74]
Good point celest could be compared to Vikings ect, main point i suppose is CA has went out of its way to start a fight with everyone, I suppose after a while its just old news and without any abilitie to stop them people just kind of wonder at times why o why.
At times you feel like Eve is a CS mod in space, kill CA they respawn at CA HQ buy new gear and head straight back out.
The system needs abit of a overhaul as regards insurance ect and costs, at moment its just so easy, you have a few hundred million isk in bank and a bs and you can just pvp for months on end, you never have to mine or npc hunt or generate isk in any way the system just recycles it for you.
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Tamora
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Posted - 2004.12.09 12:38:00 -
[75]
piÀrate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (prt)
n.
One who robs at sea or plunders the land from the sea without commission from a sovereign nation.
A ship used for this purpose.
One who preys on others; a plunderer.
One who makes use of or reproduces the work of another without authorization.
One that operates an unlicensed, illegal television or radio station.
v. piÀratÀed, piÀratÀing, piÀrates
v. tr.
To attack and rob (a ship at sea).
To take (something) by piracy.
To make use of or reproduce (another's work) without authorization.
v. intr.
To act as a pirate; practice piracy.
Dictionarys pwn all
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Tamora
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Posted - 2004.12.09 12:38:00 -
[76]
piÀrate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (prt)
n.
One who robs at sea or plunders the land from the sea without commission from a sovereign nation.
A ship used for this purpose.
One who preys on others; a plunderer.
One who makes use of or reproduces the work of another without authorization.
One that operates an unlicensed, illegal television or radio station.
v. piÀratÀed, piÀratÀing, piÀrates
v. tr.
To attack and rob (a ship at sea).
To take (something) by piracy.
To make use of or reproduce (another's work) without authorization.
v. intr.
To act as a pirate; practice piracy.
Dictionarys pwn all
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Posted - 2004.12.09 12:42:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Tbone on 09/12/2004 12:45:46
Its a word used so frequently, that it has no meaning now. Anyone who kills anyone is a pirate to the person who died. Just use the word "pvper" instead.
Edit : who screwed the forum up with their wide ass sig?
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Tbone
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Posted - 2004.12.09 12:42:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Tbone on 09/12/2004 12:45:46
Its a word used so frequently, that it has no meaning now. Anyone who kills anyone is a pirate to the person who died. Just use the word "pvper" instead.
Edit : who screwed the forum up with their wide ass sig?
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Posted - 2004.12.09 12:44:00 -
[79]
Remove the ******* smilies !
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Posted - 2004.12.09 12:44:00 -
[80]
Remove the ******* smilies !
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Asmodia
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Posted - 2004.12.09 12:56:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Celestial Voice
Edited by: Celestial Voice on 09/12/2004 12:23:37
There are other definitions that probably fit CA better than "pirate". An agressive, expansitile, plundering, murdering evil empire eg viking raiders/mongols might be more appropiate, but the truth is probably more that they like pvp and want to have as many targets as possible.
I have tried to post constructively on the topic so please dont flame celest as a result.
plausible, but in most points untruth.
expansive - what region the CA want more then the claimed ? none.
mongols - the mongols build the largest empire in history with a hugh information and trade network. They found banknotes and other. Under the mongols the silk trade lane got fortifited against bandids (and terrorist like CELES).
vikings - found a lot of kindoms in the middlemer, discovered america, exellant shipbuilders and handsmen.
want to have as many targets as possible - The CA was attack by so many corps from their start that our KOS list is so long, it is much easier to cont the corps we do not attack. But this would go to much out of topic.
/me makes note to send Celes a history book to xmas to fix their holiwood 2nd hand wisdom.
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Asmodia
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Posted - 2004.12.09 12:56:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Celestial Voice
Edited by: Celestial Voice on 09/12/2004 12:23:37
There are other definitions that probably fit CA better than "pirate". An agressive, expansitile, plundering, murdering evil empire eg viking raiders/mongols might be more appropiate, but the truth is probably more that they like pvp and want to have as many targets as possible.
I have tried to post constructively on the topic so please dont flame celest as a result.
plausible, but in most points untruth.
expansive - what region the CA want more then the claimed ? none.
mongols - the mongols build the largest empire in history with a hugh information and trade network. They found banknotes and other. Under the mongols the silk trade lane got fortifited against bandids (and terrorist like CELES).
vikings - found a lot of kindoms in the middlemer, discovered america, exellant shipbuilders and handsmen.
want to have as many targets as possible - The CA was attack by so many corps from their start that our KOS list is so long, it is much easier to cont the corps we do not attack. But this would go to much out of topic.
/me makes note to send Celes a history book to xmas to fix their holiwood 2nd hand wisdom.
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Lord Drax
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Posted - 2004.12.09 13:05:00 -
[83]
it amuses me that people call CA pirates etc becuase we kill non-afilliated people in 0.0 space, as if we are the only alliance that do this. Maybe we are called this because we are the most famous pvp alliance (joint with SA, SE whatever they call themselves now).
And for the part that we are pirates because we killed people in A2 - You cant seriously suggest that CA are the only alliance to ever do this? In any case it is not piracy as we were at war with the people who lived in the area, and we were cutting off their Empire supply routes, which to me makes good sense. Cut off the blood supply and they eventually die.
Ca however will never lose the pirate tag, because of our origins, and some of the corps which used to be in our ranks or affiliated with us (m0o, sinister etc).
Oh and another thing YAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!
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Posted - 2004.12.09 13:05:00 -
[84]
it amuses me that people call CA pirates etc becuase we kill non-afilliated people in 0.0 space, as if we are the only alliance that do this. Maybe we are called this because we are the most famous pvp alliance (joint with SA, SE whatever they call themselves now).
And for the part that we are pirates because we killed people in A2 - You cant seriously suggest that CA are the only alliance to ever do this? In any case it is not piracy as we were at war with the people who lived in the area, and we were cutting off their Empire supply routes, which to me makes good sense. Cut off the blood supply and they eventually die.
Ca however will never lose the pirate tag, because of our origins, and some of the corps which used to be in our ranks or affiliated with us (m0o, sinister etc).
Oh and another thing YAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!
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Posted - 2004.12.09 13:11:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Lord Drax
it amuses me that people call CA pirates etc becuase we kill non-afilliated people in 0.0 space, as if we are the only alliance that do this. Maybe we are called this because we are the most famous pvp alliance (joint with SA, SE whatever they call themselves now).
And for the part that we are pirates because we killed people in A2 - You cant seriously suggest that CA are the only alliance to ever do this? In any case it is not piracy as we were at war with the people who lived in the area, and we were cutting off their Empire supply routes, which to me makes good sense. Cut off the blood supply and they eventually die.
Ca however will never lose the pirate tag, because of our origins, and some of the corps which used to be in our ranks or affiliated with us (m0o, sinister etc).
Oh and another thing YAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!
And everytime u scanned the cargo before u shoot the people
U shoot everyone who wasnŠt "blue" and thats... call it how u want... Piracy...
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Posted - 2004.12.09 13:11:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Lord Drax
it amuses me that people call CA pirates etc becuase we kill non-afilliated people in 0.0 space, as if we are the only alliance that do this. Maybe we are called this because we are the most famous pvp alliance (joint with SA, SE whatever they call themselves now).
And for the part that we are pirates because we killed people in A2 - You cant seriously suggest that CA are the only alliance to ever do this? In any case it is not piracy as we were at war with the people who lived in the area, and we were cutting off their Empire supply routes, which to me makes good sense. Cut off the blood supply and they eventually die.
Ca however will never lose the pirate tag, because of our origins, and some of the corps which used to be in our ranks or affiliated with us (m0o, sinister etc).
Oh and another thing YAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!
And everytime u scanned the cargo before u shoot the people
U shoot everyone who wasnŠt "blue" and thats... call it how u want... Piracy...
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Posted - 2004.12.09 13:14:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Asmodia
plausible, but in most points untruth.
expansive - what region the CA want more then the claimed ? none.
mongols - the mongols build the largest empire in history with a hugh information and trade network. They found banknotes and other. Under the mongols the silk trade lane got fortifited against bandids (and terrorist like CELES).
vikings - found a lot of kindoms in the middlemer, discovered america, exellant shipbuilders and handsmen.
want to have as many targets as possible - The CA was attack by so many corps from their start that our KOS list is so long, it is much easier to cont the corps we do not attack. But this would go to much out of topic.
/me makes note to send Celes a history book to xmas to fix their holiwood 2nd hand wisdom.
Dont throw the history book at me(/emote dodges) they were only examples. To many in the western world the mongols were considered a barbarian horde. To the people living in coastal ireland the vikings were raiders/plunders and thieves. I never said the mongols were all bad, neither did i say that of the vikings. Quite a lot of viking blood in ireland atm (where im from) RL politics/history please stop there.
Anyway i disagree with your point on expansionism. At one point when FE and RSA were part of CA, CA claimed curse, GWs, wicked creek, scalding pass, detroid, insmother, cache, germinate, vale ,tribute , and fade. Im not sure exactly which xetic space u tried to take over and im pretty sure that omega corp tried to take over one of the southern stain protectorates about 6 months ago paragon soul i think. And i think they held all the stations there for a while. That appoximates to half of eve 0.0.
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Posted - 2004.12.09 13:14:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Asmodia
plausible, but in most points untruth.
expansive - what region the CA want more then the claimed ? none.
mongols - the mongols build the largest empire in history with a hugh information and trade network. They found banknotes and other. Under the mongols the silk trade lane got fortifited against bandids (and terrorist like CELES).
vikings - found a lot of kindoms in the middlemer, discovered america, exellant shipbuilders and handsmen.
want to have as many targets as possible - The CA was attack by so many corps from their start that our KOS list is so long, it is much easier to cont the corps we do not attack. But this would go to much out of topic.
/me makes note to send Celes a history book to xmas to fix their holiwood 2nd hand wisdom.
Dont throw the history book at me(/emote dodges) they were only examples. To many in the western world the mongols were considered a barbarian horde. To the people living in coastal ireland the vikings were raiders/plunders and thieves. I never said the mongols were all bad, neither did i say that of the vikings. Quite a lot of viking blood in ireland atm (where im from) RL politics/history please stop there.
Anyway i disagree with your point on expansionism. At one point when FE and RSA were part of CA, CA claimed curse, GWs, wicked creek, scalding pass, detroid, insmother, cache, germinate, vale ,tribute , and fade. Im not sure exactly which xetic space u tried to take over and im pretty sure that omega corp tried to take over one of the southern stain protectorates about 6 months ago paragon soul i think. And i think they held all the stations there for a while. That appoximates to half of eve 0.0.
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2004.12.09 13:18:00 -
[89]
Edited by: corporal hicks on 09/12/2004 13:24:18
Blah everyone knows St Brendan Discovered America and told no one cause it was crap
As regards the Vikings, to the Irish they were thieves murderers and pirates who plundered some our greatest treasures.
Drawing comparisons ancient earth nations I would have to say CA are much like the vikings.
Can a Mod please delete that post made by the n00btard krom guy on the previous page that borked the forum. Thanks
" Stay Frosty "
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2004.12.09 13:18:00 -
[90]
Edited by: corporal hicks on 09/12/2004 13:24:18
Blah everyone knows St Brendan Discovered America and told no one cause it was crap
As regards the Vikings, to the Irish they were thieves murderers and pirates who plundered some our greatest treasures.
Drawing comparisons ancient earth nations I would have to say CA are much like the vikings.
Can a Mod please delete that post made by the n00btard krom guy on the previous page that borked the forum. Thanks
" Stay Frosty "
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.12.09 13:21:00 -
[91]
tamora broke page 2
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.12.09 13:21:00 -
[92]
tamora broke page 2
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Asmodia
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Posted - 2004.12.09 13:22:00 -
[93]
nope,
OC joined the CA with this claims, same as FE did. RSA was connected with FE via Hupa and former members of Biomass Cartel. RSA had Zombies Inc as fighters and they were total enemies of CA.
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Asmodia
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Posted - 2004.12.09 13:22:00 -
[94]
nope,
OC joined the CA with this claims, same as FE did. RSA was connected with FE via Hupa and former members of Biomass Cartel. RSA had Zombies Inc as fighters and they were total enemies of CA.
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Shadowthrone
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Posted - 2004.12.09 13:24:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Asmodia
nope,
OC joined the CA with this claims, same as FE did. RSA was connected with FE via Hupa and former members of Biomass Cartel. RSA had Zombies Inc as fighters and they were total enemies of CA.
Zombies were never part of the RSA. U might be getting confused with the tundragons.
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Shadowthrone
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Posted - 2004.12.09 13:24:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Asmodia
nope,
OC joined the CA with this claims, same as FE did. RSA was connected with FE via Hupa and former members of Biomass Cartel. RSA had Zombies Inc as fighters and they were total enemies of CA.
Zombies were never part of the RSA. U might be getting confused with the tundragons.
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Lord Drax
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Posted - 2004.12.09 13:34:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Sternburg Export
And everytime u scanned the cargo before u shoot the people
U shoot everyone who wasnŠt "blue" and thats... call it how u want... Piracy...
I've flown in combat with Ota corps, then OC, and now Supremacy in the CA for over a year now, and I have never once seen anyone in gang scan peoples cargo's before shooting them. Infact i dont know of a single supremacy pilot who even HAS a scanner, let alone uses it.
I guess you let all unknowns fly around your space unharmed then.....
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Posted - 2004.12.09 13:34:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Sternburg Export
And everytime u scanned the cargo before u shoot the people
U shoot everyone who wasnŠt "blue" and thats... call it how u want... Piracy...
I've flown in combat with Ota corps, then OC, and now Supremacy in the CA for over a year now, and I have never once seen anyone in gang scan peoples cargo's before shooting them. Infact i dont know of a single supremacy pilot who even HAS a scanner, let alone uses it.
I guess you let all unknowns fly around your space unharmed then.....
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Posted - 2004.12.09 13:46:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Lord Drax
Originally by: Sternburg Export
And everytime u scanned the cargo before u shoot the people
U shoot everyone who wasnŠt "blue" and thats... call it how u want... Piracy...
I've flown in combat with Ota corps, then OC, and now Supremacy in the CA for over a year now, and I have never once seen anyone in gang scan peoples cargo's before shooting them. Infact i dont know of a single supremacy pilot who even HAS a scanner, let alone uses it.
I guess you let all unknowns fly around your space unharmed then.....
Thx.
A2 and Delve/querious was never CA territory.. :)
U said u never scanned any cargoholds.. But u said:
Quote:
we were cutting off their Empire supply routes
uŠve had war with CFS and FA... u never declared war agianst StA and all other people who ONLY lived their..
but u shoot them without prove their Cargoholds.. Without being threatened by them...
And thats what i call Piracy.. No more and no less...
0.0 or not..
Quote:
I guess you let all unknowns fly around your space unharmed then.....
Yes we respected The CFS rules, while the time in Delve.. we shoot PKŠs and pirates... No one ever fired a single shot at inocent peeps or ppl who went through this area :)
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Posted - 2004.12.09 13:46:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Lord Drax
Originally by: Sternburg Export
And everytime u scanned the cargo before u shoot the people
U shoot everyone who wasnŠt "blue" and thats... call it how u want... Piracy...
I've flown in combat with Ota corps, then OC, and now Supremacy in the CA for over a year now, and I have never once seen anyone in gang scan peoples cargo's before shooting them. Infact i dont know of a single supremacy pilot who even HAS a scanner, let alone uses it.
I guess you let all unknowns fly around your space unharmed then.....
Thx.
A2 and Delve/querious was never CA territory.. :)
U said u never scanned any cargoholds.. But u said:
Quote:
we were cutting off their Empire supply routes
uŠve had war with CFS and FA... u never declared war agianst StA and all other people who ONLY lived their..
but u shoot them without prove their Cargoholds.. Without being threatened by them...
And thats what i call Piracy.. No more and no less...
0.0 or not..
Quote:
I guess you let all unknowns fly around your space unharmed then.....
Yes we respected The CFS rules, while the time in Delve.. we shoot PKŠs and pirates... No one ever fired a single shot at inocent peeps or ppl who went through this area :)
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2004.12.09 13:47:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Lord Drax
Originally by: Sternburg Export
And everytime u scanned the cargo before u shoot the people
U shoot everyone who wasnŠt "blue" and thats... call it how u want... Piracy...
I've flown in combat with Ota corps, then OC, and now Supremacy in the CA for over a year now, and I have never once seen anyone in gang scan peoples cargo's before shooting them. Infact i dont know of a single supremacy pilot who even HAS a scanner, let alone uses it.
I guess you let all unknowns fly around your space unharmed then.....
Here it comes the justifications for killing anyone anywhere anytime and in anyone else's space....
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2004.12.09 13:47:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Lord Drax
Originally by: Sternburg Export
And everytime u scanned the cargo before u shoot the people
U shoot everyone who wasnŠt "blue" and thats... call it how u want... Piracy...
I've flown in combat with Ota corps, then OC, and now Supremacy in the CA for over a year now, and I have never once seen anyone in gang scan peoples cargo's before shooting them. Infact i dont know of a single supremacy pilot who even HAS a scanner, let alone uses it.
I guess you let all unknowns fly around your space unharmed then.....
Here it comes the justifications for killing anyone anywhere anytime and in anyone else's space....
" Stay Frosty "
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Asmodia
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Posted - 2004.12.09 14:00:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Shadowthrone
Originally by: Asmodia
nope,
OC joined the CA with this claims, same as FE did. RSA was connected with FE via Hupa and former members of Biomass Cartel. RSA had Zombies Inc as fighters and they were total enemies of CA.
Zombies were never part of the RSA. U might be getting confused with the tundragons.
They fought with TunDraGon and some other pirates for RSA. Ask NORAD. They were part of the Cloud ring campain, that for sure.
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Asmodia
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Posted - 2004.12.09 14:00:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Shadowthrone
Originally by: Asmodia
nope,
OC joined the CA with this claims, same as FE did. RSA was connected with FE via Hupa and former members of Biomass Cartel. RSA had Zombies Inc as fighters and they were total enemies of CA.
Zombies were never part of the RSA. U might be getting confused with the tundragons.
They fought with TunDraGon and some other pirates for RSA. Ask NORAD. They were part of the Cloud ring campain, that for sure.
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.12.09 14:41:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Asmodia
(and terrorist like CELES).
Correction.
We are cowardly, safespotting, ganking, communist terrorist carebear pirates.
Please get it right next time.
Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.12.09 14:41:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Asmodia
(and terrorist like CELES).
Correction.
We are cowardly, safespotting, ganking, communist terrorist carebear pirates.
Please get it right next time.
Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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Lord Drax
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Posted - 2004.12.09 14:47:00 -
[107]
Originally by: corporal hicks
Here it comes the justifications for killing anyone anywhere anytime and in anyone else's space....
well, put it like this, we kill people in a2 as they are friendly with our enemies, the people who use the stations in that area contribute to our enemies wallets, if we make it harder for people to go there we damage our enemies economy. We dont do it for "personal" gain, we do it for the detriment of our enemies. If you want to call it piracy its up to you, i cant force you to change your mind about that.
From our viewpoint it is striking a blow to our enemies, not purely killing people because we can.
If we did do it because we can you'd find us killing innocents in empire too. That is a thing that Supremacy will never do, hence in our view we are NOT pirates.
I am just trying to justify our viewpoint, and if you dont agree then you dont agree.
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Lord Drax
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Posted - 2004.12.09 14:47:00 -
[108]
Originally by: corporal hicks
Here it comes the justifications for killing anyone anywhere anytime and in anyone else's space....
well, put it like this, we kill people in a2 as they are friendly with our enemies, the people who use the stations in that area contribute to our enemies wallets, if we make it harder for people to go there we damage our enemies economy. We dont do it for "personal" gain, we do it for the detriment of our enemies. If you want to call it piracy its up to you, i cant force you to change your mind about that.
From our viewpoint it is striking a blow to our enemies, not purely killing people because we can.
If we did do it because we can you'd find us killing innocents in empire too. That is a thing that Supremacy will never do, hence in our view we are NOT pirates.
I am just trying to justify our viewpoint, and if you dont agree then you dont agree.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 16:00:00 -
[109]
Quote:
1) What is your definition of "pirate?" Please be as specific as you can.
Its a difficult question. On the one hand: anyone who claims ownership of freespace and shoots anyone not in their colours is pretty much a criminal anyhow. I don't see any real difference between gate campers and land-grabbing alliances except in the small print. But whether that makes you pirates? I don't really know, I think the term pirate has become a bit meaningless outside of just a few proper pirate corps that roleplay the role and actually try to tax and rob rather than just gank.
Quote:
2) From your own personal experiences with CA pilots INGAME would they fit your definition of a pirate? Again please be as specific as you can as to why or why not.
Not really. To my mind Jexter and Fist are the achetypal pirates and they are playing a totally different game from the big alliances and the CA.
So what do I think the CA actually are?
Well, closest definition would be a large and unruly confederation of criminal roadblockers hording gasoline or something. Maybe the guys from Mad Max2? I dunno.
Problem is with the definition. People have tried to stretch the word "pirate" to accomodate (as Jo says) "anyone who shoots you and anyone you want to shoot". And if you stretch something that far it just breaks.
Hell, we've (JF) have been called "pirates" before now for slipping past alliance border guards and "trading" with npc stations in "their territory".
That must have really hurt their pride!
Star Fraction
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 16:00:00 -
[110]
Quote:
1) What is your definition of "pirate?" Please be as specific as you can.
Its a difficult question. On the one hand: anyone who claims ownership of freespace and shoots anyone not in their colours is pretty much a criminal anyhow. I don't see any real difference between gate campers and land-grabbing alliances except in the small print. But whether that makes you pirates? I don't really know, I think the term pirate has become a bit meaningless outside of just a few proper pirate corps that roleplay the role and actually try to tax and rob rather than just gank.
Quote:
2) From your own personal experiences with CA pilots INGAME would they fit your definition of a pirate? Again please be as specific as you can as to why or why not.
Not really. To my mind Jexter and Fist are the achetypal pirates and they are playing a totally different game from the big alliances and the CA.
So what do I think the CA actually are?
Well, closest definition would be a large and unruly confederation of criminal roadblockers hording gasoline or something. Maybe the guys from Mad Max2? I dunno.
Problem is with the definition. People have tried to stretch the word "pirate" to accomodate (as Jo says) "anyone who shoots you and anyone you want to shoot". And if you stretch something that far it just breaks.
Hell, we've (JF) have been called "pirates" before now for slipping past alliance border guards and "trading" with npc stations in "their territory".
That must have really hurt their pride!
Star Fraction
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Framlino
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Posted - 2004.12.09 16:37:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Sternburg Export
And everytime u scanned the cargo before u shoot the people [:roll:
U shoot everyone who wasnŠt "blue" and thats... call it how u want... Piracy...
look at this scenario:
Gate activation
Lock Ship
Start Scanner
Oh dear he has insta jumped to the next gate .
If they are in contested space they are a legitimate target end of story
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Framlino
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Posted - 2004.12.09 16:37:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Sternburg Export
And everytime u scanned the cargo before u shoot the people [:roll:
U shoot everyone who wasnŠt "blue" and thats... call it how u want... Piracy...
look at this scenario:
Gate activation
Lock Ship
Start Scanner
Oh dear he has insta jumped to the next gate .
If they are in contested space they are a legitimate target end of story
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Archain
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Posted - 2004.12.09 16:41:00 -
[113]
Space Invaders and Zombie Inc 4 teh winz.
Space Invaders Movie Library - [SPVD]
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Archain
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Posted - 2004.12.09 16:41:00 -
[114]
Space Invaders and Zombie Inc 4 teh winz.
Space Invaders Movie Library - [SPVD]
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Sternburg Export
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Posted - 2004.12.09 16:43:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Framlino
Originally by: Sternburg Export
And everytime u scanned the cargo before u shoot the people [:roll:
U shoot everyone who wasnŠt "blue" and thats... call it how u want... Piracy...
look at this scenario:
Gate activation
Lock Ship
Start Scanner
Oh dear he has insta jumped to the next gate .
If they are in contested space they are a legitimate target end of story
Alt post
get some balls and post with ur main
Just to say it clear... i donŠt expect to get Scanned r something like that...
I just wanted to say:
CA shoot at everyone who wasnŠt blue... they donŠt ask for tier intensions.. and thats what i call piracy :)
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Sternburg Export
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Posted - 2004.12.09 16:43:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Framlino
Originally by: Sternburg Export
And everytime u scanned the cargo before u shoot the people [:roll:
U shoot everyone who wasnŠt "blue" and thats... call it how u want... Piracy...
look at this scenario:
Gate activation
Lock Ship
Start Scanner
Oh dear he has insta jumped to the next gate .
If they are in contested space they are a legitimate target end of story
Alt post
get some balls and post with ur main
Just to say it clear... i donŠt expect to get Scanned r something like that...
I just wanted to say:
CA shoot at everyone who wasnŠt blue... they donŠt ask for tier intensions.. and thats what i call piracy :)
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 16:48:00 -
[117]
Quote:
I just wanted to say:
CA shoot at everyone who wasnŠt blue... they donŠt ask for tier intensions.. and thats what i call piracy :)
get some balls and post with ur main
Thats part of the problem though mr Export. That "isn't" piracy. Not by any sensible definition.
Piracy is moving around, staying clear of the organised fleets. Picking likely targets. Moving in to web and scramble. Then maybe offering the victim terms to live, maybe just demanding the cargo. Then taking the loot and cash and scarpering. Some corps do it. Now thats Piracy.
Shooting everything no blue is just either a war-tactic or general rage-against-the-world angsty mayhem.
I really dislike it when people mix up the two.
Star Fraction
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 16:48:00 -
[118]
Quote:
I just wanted to say:
CA shoot at everyone who wasnŠt blue... they donŠt ask for tier intensions.. and thats what i call piracy :)
get some balls and post with ur main
Thats part of the problem though mr Export. That "isn't" piracy. Not by any sensible definition.
Piracy is moving around, staying clear of the organised fleets. Picking likely targets. Moving in to web and scramble. Then maybe offering the victim terms to live, maybe just demanding the cargo. Then taking the loot and cash and scarpering. Some corps do it. Now thats Piracy.
Shooting everything no blue is just either a war-tactic or general rage-against-the-world angsty mayhem.
I really dislike it when people mix up the two.
Star Fraction
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Marcus Grisbius
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Posted - 2004.12.09 16:52:00 -
[119]
Originally by: corporal hicks
Originally by: Lord Drax
Originally by: Sternburg Export
And everytime u scanned the cargo before u shoot the people
U shoot everyone who wasnŠt "blue" and thats... call it how u want... Piracy...
I've flown in combat with Ota corps, then OC, and now Supremacy in the CA for over a year now, and I have never once seen anyone in gang scan peoples cargo's before shooting them. Infact i dont know of a single supremacy pilot who even HAS a scanner, let alone uses it.
I guess you let all unknowns fly around your space unharmed then.....
Here it comes the justifications for killing anyone anywhere anytime and in anyone else's space....
I guess CA must claim ALL of the eve regions then (although they don't show up on the map as a sovereignty ANYWHERE, go figure). CA members have fired on all sorts of ships in 0.0, whether it was space claimed by them or not. They've even shot at people to loot, plunder, and make fun of people in empire space.
My analysis of the original question:
By an real world definition, piracy isnt a feasible possibility in the game anymore. So instead of being called pirates, they should be called murderers and psychopaths. But since it is a game, and that's a bit harsh most people refer to them as pirates. And yes, CA fit that bill.
Certainty of death... little chance of success... what are we waiting for? - Gimli, son of Gloinn |
Marcus Grisbius
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Posted - 2004.12.09 16:52:00 -
[120]
Originally by: corporal hicks
Originally by: Lord Drax
Originally by: Sternburg Export
And everytime u scanned the cargo before u shoot the people
U shoot everyone who wasnŠt "blue" and thats... call it how u want... Piracy...
I've flown in combat with Ota corps, then OC, and now Supremacy in the CA for over a year now, and I have never once seen anyone in gang scan peoples cargo's before shooting them. Infact i dont know of a single supremacy pilot who even HAS a scanner, let alone uses it.
I guess you let all unknowns fly around your space unharmed then.....
Here it comes the justifications for killing anyone anywhere anytime and in anyone else's space....
I guess CA must claim ALL of the eve regions then (although they don't show up on the map as a sovereignty ANYWHERE, go figure). CA members have fired on all sorts of ships in 0.0, whether it was space claimed by them or not. They've even shot at people to loot, plunder, and make fun of people in empire space.
My analysis of the original question:
By an real world definition, piracy isnt a feasible possibility in the game anymore. So instead of being called pirates, they should be called murderers and psychopaths. But since it is a game, and that's a bit harsh most people refer to them as pirates. And yes, CA fit that bill.
Certainty of death... little chance of success... what are we waiting for? - Gimli, son of Gloinn |
Sternburg Export
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Posted - 2004.12.09 16:52:00 -
[121]
Edited by: Sternburg Export on 09/12/2004 16:56:03
itŠs ur definition...
My definition is this what i posted.
@ Jasmine
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Sternburg Export
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Posted - 2004.12.09 16:52:00 -
[122]
Edited by: Sternburg Export on 09/12/2004 16:56:03
itŠs ur definition...
My definition is this what i posted.
@ Jasmine
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.12.09 16:56:00 -
[123]
Every ca member i've met has had a wooden leg, PIRATES THE LOT OF YAS
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.12.09 16:56:00 -
[124]
Every ca member i've met has had a wooden leg, PIRATES THE LOT OF YAS
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Dai'mon
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Posted - 2004.12.09 17:23:00 -
[125]
Sun Ra is correct the requirement for a wooden leg almost stopped a few R-K from joining, I however jumped at the chance!!
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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Dai'mon
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Posted - 2004.12.09 17:23:00 -
[126]
Sun Ra is correct the requirement for a wooden leg almost stopped a few R-K from joining, I however jumped at the chance!!
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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d'Mortaigne
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Posted - 2004.12.09 18:16:00 -
[127]
1. A person who e.g ransom ppl at gates, belts and so on. Both for isk and ships, uses extortion and other piratical behaviour.
2. No. CA are mostly very good fighters, defending their space and fighting their wars like every other alliance.
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d'Mortaigne
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Posted - 2004.12.09 18:16:00 -
[128]
1. A person who e.g ransom ppl at gates, belts and so on. Both for isk and ships, uses extortion and other piratical behaviour.
2. No. CA are mostly very good fighters, defending their space and fighting their wars like every other alliance.
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DirtyHarry
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Posted - 2004.12.09 18:34:00 -
[129]
Piracy is sometimes quite a hard thing to define, to some people anyone who pvps is an ebil pirate.
REAL piracy is quite long gone, the old days of m0o / m3g4 / BM-C / Tundragons etc is what i would call REAL pirates, however with the addition of sentries in 0.1 and up and the removal of JIPs (jump in points) its almost impossible to truely pirate.
I would call piracy the camping of a trade / travel route with a reasonable amount of traffic through empire space (and a very few 0.0 routes), locking down a ship so it cannot escape or fight back, convoing the pilot and demanding a sum of cash for his ship.
Simply tanking sentries and blowing the holy **** out of someones ship is not piracy, it is simple ganking in the hope of a few named mods.
(also pirates dont claim space, so none of the major alliances are pirates even including the F-E, id call us murderers or pvpers =) )
my 2 cents
-Havo
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Sig: Mirus Crosius <3
DirtyHarry ~ Havocide - WoWing It Up, Not Givin A F**k |
DirtyHarry
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Posted - 2004.12.09 18:34:00 -
[130]
Piracy is sometimes quite a hard thing to define, to some people anyone who pvps is an ebil pirate.
REAL piracy is quite long gone, the old days of m0o / m3g4 / BM-C / Tundragons etc is what i would call REAL pirates, however with the addition of sentries in 0.1 and up and the removal of JIPs (jump in points) its almost impossible to truely pirate.
I would call piracy the camping of a trade / travel route with a reasonable amount of traffic through empire space (and a very few 0.0 routes), locking down a ship so it cannot escape or fight back, convoing the pilot and demanding a sum of cash for his ship.
Simply tanking sentries and blowing the holy **** out of someones ship is not piracy, it is simple ganking in the hope of a few named mods.
(also pirates dont claim space, so none of the major alliances are pirates even including the F-E, id call us murderers or pvpers =) )
my 2 cents
-Havo
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Sig: Mirus Crosius <3
DirtyHarry ~ Havocide - WoWing It Up, Not Givin A F**k |
Lallante
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:43:00 -
[131]
Edited by: Lallante on 09/12/2004 19:46:28
Ange1 from SNRA actually owns a Parrot called Wally that sits on his shoulder. Also a lot of us seem quite fond of crakers. Noone says no to a good bit of despoiling from time to time either, so I guess we MUST be pirates.
Yarr!
Lall - THE Vocal Minority -
ShinRa
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Lallante
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:43:00 -
[132]
Edited by: Lallante on 09/12/2004 19:46:28
Ange1 from SNRA actually owns a Parrot called Wally that sits on his shoulder. Also a lot of us seem quite fond of crakers. Noone says no to a good bit of despoiling from time to time either, so I guess we MUST be pirates.
Yarr!
Lall - THE Vocal Minority -
ShinRa
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Babs Johnson
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:05:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Babs Johnson on 09/12/2004 20:19:18
Originally by: Marcus Grisbius
My analysis of the original question:
By an real world definition, piracy isnt a feasible possibility in the game anymore. So instead of being called pirates, they should be called murderers and psychopaths. But since it is a game, and that's a bit harsh most people refer to them as pirates. And yes, CA fit that bill.
We need a new word, something other than "pirate," to describe what is going on in EVE.
When a few members of a non-aligned corporation like mine are hunting rats in unclaimed 0.0 space like Providence, and two members of a CA corporation warp into the belt just as we're finishing off the rat spawn (i. e. when we have low shields and cap), and they attack what they perceive to be the weakest ship in our gang. On the particular occasion the two CA pilots left in pods while we sustained no ship losses, but it illustrates the kind of unprovoked agression everyone has come to expect from CA.
This kind of behavior, like piracy, is certainly predatory, but I doubt those CA pilots attacked my corpmate because they thought she had a load of 1337 loot in her cargohold. They attacked a target of opportunity for the sake of attacking it.
So Marcus, you are right. "Pirate" is not descriptive of what CA does. "Sociopath" is much more appropos.
And to the pilot who started this thread, I have just given you one of a number of specific incidents where my corporation's interests were attacked, unprovoked and without regard to profit, by CA pilots. If you lay down with dogs, you come up with fleas.
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Babs Johnson
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:05:00 -
[134]
Edited by: Babs Johnson on 09/12/2004 20:19:18
Originally by: Marcus Grisbius
My analysis of the original question:
By an real world definition, piracy isnt a feasible possibility in the game anymore. So instead of being called pirates, they should be called murderers and psychopaths. But since it is a game, and that's a bit harsh most people refer to them as pirates. And yes, CA fit that bill.
We need a new word, something other than "pirate," to describe what is going on in EVE.
When a few members of a non-aligned corporation like mine are hunting rats in unclaimed 0.0 space like Providence, and two members of a CA corporation warp into the belt just as we're finishing off the rat spawn (i. e. when we have low shields and cap), and they attack what they perceive to be the weakest ship in our gang. On the particular occasion the two CA pilots left in pods while we sustained no ship losses, but it illustrates the kind of unprovoked agression everyone has come to expect from CA.
This kind of behavior, like piracy, is certainly predatory, but I doubt those CA pilots attacked my corpmate because they thought she had a load of 1337 loot in her cargohold. They attacked a target of opportunity for the sake of attacking it.
So Marcus, you are right. "Pirate" is not descriptive of what CA does. "Sociopath" is much more appropos.
And to the pilot who started this thread, I have just given you one of a number of specific incidents where my corporation's interests were attacked, unprovoked and without regard to profit, by CA pilots. If you lay down with dogs, you come up with fleas.
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Storm Mage
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:38:00 -
[135]
Edited by: Storm Mage on 10/12/2004 06:53:54
First off I would like to say thank you to everyone for your replies/discussions so far, there are many interesting views.
Arud: Supremacy just left the ingame alliance system, but not the alliance (I explained why in this thread 4th post down)
Ghost Red: If everyone used the term for what it has developed to be in EVE (warmongering PvP'ers if I understand the generalized definition from responses posted here) it would not bother me. What bothers me is that many don't use the term in that context. They use it in its origional definition and, by my guess, jumped on the propoganda bandwagon that all CA are evil pirates who have no honor, kill/maim/loot anywhere for fun, and cannot be trusted with a bucket of dirt despite the fact that CA is not what it was when it formed.
corporal hicks: While I do not agree with the term terrorist (fanatical PvP'ers perhaps?), I do agree to a large extent with your definition of it, except for the fact that we go out and PvP for fun. Another point I would like to make is different alliances have different rules, CA alliance just has a closed door policy for its territory, and TBO I have yet to see a neutral in CA territory just other alliances coming in and PvP'ing.
sternburg Export: I would have to agree to the fact that CA was at war with CFS and you were in CFS territory and thus fair game. I used to frequent CFS controlled space before my corp applied to be trial members and was shot at by CA, and I hold no grudge.
Kahlee/Araviel: One of the things I was informed of when I first joined Zoners (before the merger) was that any piratical activity would not be tolerated and you would be kicked if found out (which I believe is a CA rule and is definately a Supremacy rule). If you see any Supremacy member engaging in piratical activity please contact Tholarim or 0mega ingame.
Celestial Voice: I am much in agreement with your other descriptions of CA besides pirate as I personally feel those fit CA much better.
Thone: I couldn't agree more although CA might be better classified as "Agressive PvP'ers"
Sternburg Export: One of the things I was told when my corp moved into CFS after becoming trial members was that beginer/npc corp players were KOS and that is the rule I followed.
corporal hicks: Very well said. In 0.0 a general rule of thumb I use is anyone but your allies is hostile until sufficiently proven otherwise.
Jasmine: I got a good laugh out of your description of CA and I agree with it except for the criminal part. I think I will have to add that to my ingame bio. *Storm Mage chuckles again
Marcus Grisbius: While I cannot speak for other CA corps, I do know Supremacy does its utmost to keep everything professional. As for shooting all types of ships in 0.0, why would you exclude one type or another? As for murderers and psychopaths...while we do pk, we only do it to those we are at war with and/or (in 0.0) are judged to be hostile torwards CA. I am not sure where you got psychopaths from, I would hard put to match CA up with a psycopathic profile.
Babs Johnson: First off I would like to point out that according to the dictionary a sociopath is someone with a personality disorder marked by antisocial behavior and I would hardly call CA sociopaths. You must also realize that Providence is an entryway to 0.0 for SE/Xetic. CA can be very predatory, especially in another alliances territory so I am hardly suprised you were attacked not to mention the fact that if CA enters another alliances territory it can hardly be for peacefull actions. You also must realize that you took a risk coming into 0.0, especially in an unclaimed region.
EDIT: Fixed broken link
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Storm Mage
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:38:00 -
[136]
Edited by: Storm Mage on 10/12/2004 06:53:54
First off I would like to say thank you to everyone for your replies/discussions so far, there are many interesting views.
Arud: Supremacy just left the ingame alliance system, but not the alliance (I explained why in this thread 4th post down)
Ghost Red: If everyone used the term for what it has developed to be in EVE (warmongering PvP'ers if I understand the generalized definition from responses posted here) it would not bother me. What bothers me is that many don't use the term in that context. They use it in its origional definition and, by my guess, jumped on the propoganda bandwagon that all CA are evil pirates who have no honor, kill/maim/loot anywhere for fun, and cannot be trusted with a bucket of dirt despite the fact that CA is not what it was when it formed.
corporal hicks: While I do not agree with the term terrorist (fanatical PvP'ers perhaps?), I do agree to a large extent with your definition of it, except for the fact that we go out and PvP for fun. Another point I would like to make is different alliances have different rules, CA alliance just has a closed door policy for its territory, and TBO I have yet to see a neutral in CA territory just other alliances coming in and PvP'ing.
sternburg Export: I would have to agree to the fact that CA was at war with CFS and you were in CFS territory and thus fair game. I used to frequent CFS controlled space before my corp applied to be trial members and was shot at by CA, and I hold no grudge.
Kahlee/Araviel: One of the things I was informed of when I first joined Zoners (before the merger) was that any piratical activity would not be tolerated and you would be kicked if found out (which I believe is a CA rule and is definately a Supremacy rule). If you see any Supremacy member engaging in piratical activity please contact Tholarim or 0mega ingame.
Celestial Voice: I am much in agreement with your other descriptions of CA besides pirate as I personally feel those fit CA much better.
Thone: I couldn't agree more although CA might be better classified as "Agressive PvP'ers"
Sternburg Export: One of the things I was told when my corp moved into CFS after becoming trial members was that beginer/npc corp players were KOS and that is the rule I followed.
corporal hicks: Very well said. In 0.0 a general rule of thumb I use is anyone but your allies is hostile until sufficiently proven otherwise.
Jasmine: I got a good laugh out of your description of CA and I agree with it except for the criminal part. I think I will have to add that to my ingame bio. *Storm Mage chuckles again
Marcus Grisbius: While I cannot speak for other CA corps, I do know Supremacy does its utmost to keep everything professional. As for shooting all types of ships in 0.0, why would you exclude one type or another? As for murderers and psychopaths...while we do pk, we only do it to those we are at war with and/or (in 0.0) are judged to be hostile torwards CA. I am not sure where you got psychopaths from, I would hard put to match CA up with a psycopathic profile.
Babs Johnson: First off I would like to point out that according to the dictionary a sociopath is someone with a personality disorder marked by antisocial behavior and I would hardly call CA sociopaths. You must also realize that Providence is an entryway to 0.0 for SE/Xetic. CA can be very predatory, especially in another alliances territory so I am hardly suprised you were attacked not to mention the fact that if CA enters another alliances territory it can hardly be for peacefull actions. You also must realize that you took a risk coming into 0.0, especially in an unclaimed region.
EDIT: Fixed broken link
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Sardau Kar
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Posted - 2004.12.10 05:17:00 -
[137]
Pirates pillaged for profit.
Anything else is griefing,killing,murdering,ganking,whatever you wanna call it.A pirate robbing/killing someone for profit is practicing piracy,someone killing someone else for the heck of it is a psychopath.
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Sardau Kar
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Posted - 2004.12.10 05:17:00 -
[138]
Pirates pillaged for profit.
Anything else is griefing,killing,murdering,ganking,whatever you wanna call it.A pirate robbing/killing someone for profit is practicing piracy,someone killing someone else for the heck of it is a psychopath.
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