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EndersGame
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Posted - 2004.12.09 18:50:00 -
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This roll back resulted in the restoration of 72 enemy battleships while the BOB alliance only lost 9.
CCP just handed our enemys over 5.7 billion of extra isk value since they 1.) got there insurance claim from the original ship explosion and now you get your original ship back.
http://www.hmmi.us/kills.htm
For the complete items and summary recap of what they got back.
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EndersGame
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Posted - 2004.12.09 18:50:00 -
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This roll back resulted in the restoration of 72 enemy battleships while the BOB alliance only lost 9.
CCP just handed our enemys over 5.7 billion of extra isk value since they 1.) got there insurance claim from the original ship explosion and now you get your original ship back.
http://www.hmmi.us/kills.htm
For the complete items and summary recap of what they got back.
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Avon
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:00:00 -
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Yeah, I think NSA get 24BS's back that they lost to us, plus multiple battlecruisers/ industrials/ mining barges/ cruisers etc..
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Avon
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:00:00 -
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Yeah, I think NSA get 24BS's back that they lost to us, plus multiple battlecruisers/ industrials/ mining barges/ cruisers etc..
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:02:00 -
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Maybe thats what they meant by exodus adding content for "alliances" 
(hanger "content" that is)
Star Fraction
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:02:00 -
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Maybe thats what they meant by exodus adding content for "alliances"
(hanger "content" that is)
Star Fraction
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:05:00 -
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Congratulations on the worst decision since eve started.
Someone remind me to suicide 65 BS when Kali comes round.
Thx
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:05:00 -
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Congratulations on the worst decision since eve started.
Someone remind me to suicide 65 BS when Kali comes round.
Thx
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Galavet
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:05:00 -
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One more victory for the carebears. Lame, so very lame. 
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Galavet
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:05:00 -
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One more victory for the carebears. Lame, so very lame.
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Galavet
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:09:00 -
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At least take back the freaking insurance money! By killing our enemys we have made them Billions of Isk. Was that even thought about?
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Galavet
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:09:00 -
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At least take back the freaking insurance money! By killing our enemys we have made them Billions of Isk. Was that even thought about?
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Galavet
At least take back the freaking insurance money! By killing our enemys we have made them Billions of Isk. Was that even thought about?
I'm guessing "no"
Star Fraction
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Galavet
At least take back the freaking insurance money! By killing our enemys we have made them Billions of Isk. Was that even thought about?
I'm guessing "no"
Star Fraction
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:19:00 -
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I hope to goodness that the insurance money is clawed back otherwise this is a farce. Some of us managed to overcome the same trials and tribulations the whiners did and still succeed so quite why they should get all their ships back and the rest of us get nothing I do not know.
Well I'd like any and all ammo and drones used in killing those ships returned to our hangars and double loot or something to make up for the time we've wasted killing all those guys.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:19:00 -
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I hope to goodness that the insurance money is clawed back otherwise this is a farce. Some of us managed to overcome the same trials and tribulations the whiners did and still succeed so quite why they should get all their ships back and the rest of us get nothing I do not know.
Well I'd like any and all ammo and drones used in killing those ships returned to our hangars and double loot or something to make up for the time we've wasted killing all those guys.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:22:00 -
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Okay, I admit to being completely out of the know here.
Why were these ships given back? Some sort of server lag? Exploits? What's the deal?
I'm surprised CCP has not issued an official statement on this. Or have they? 
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:22:00 -
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Okay, I admit to being completely out of the know here.
Why were these ships given back? Some sort of server lag? Exploits? What's the deal?
I'm surprised CCP has not issued an official statement on this. Or have they?
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:23:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 09/12/2004 19:33:04
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 09/12/2004 19:28:27
Updated...
Seems alot of lost ship were reimbursed cause of some unknown stuff happening during a period of 12 hours or so ?
In that time there was a battle in bkg in which pa lost lots and lots of ship quite failry and thats what they got back.
Not only did they get heir ships back, insurance payments stand afaik.
That means they gained the number of lost ships * the average insurance payout minus the reinsurance value or something. Which when talking about a ****load of BS is pretty damn ******* much.
Whoever thought that up must be retarded.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:23:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 09/12/2004 19:33:04
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 09/12/2004 19:28:27
Updated...
Seems alot of lost ship were reimbursed cause of some unknown stuff happening during a period of 12 hours or so ?
In that time there was a battle in bkg in which pa lost lots and lots of ship quite failry and thats what they got back.
Not only did they get heir ships back, insurance payments stand afaik.
That means they gained the number of lost ships * the average insurance payout minus the reinsurance value or something. Which when talking about a ****load of BS is pretty damn ******* much.
Whoever thought that up must be retarded.
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mahhy
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:24:00 -
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Someone explain??
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mahhy
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:24:00 -
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Someone explain??
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Uther Agnoius
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:24:00 -
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I think im gonna petition all 6 bs I took part in destroying during that time frame and IF my enemy was given double what he lost (Insurance payout + new ship) I will request:
A) Any ammo used killing him
B) exactly what was given to him for free....an insurance payout.
My enemies have now lost 0 ships and are 600M richer. A rollback on a game like eve should not be done unless a database has a severe failure of somesort. You warned people of the risks of exodus and new interfaces, not to mention that they had the test server to get used to it. ALSO everyone knew there was going to be lag issues. This is bull****, unfair in every sense, I didn't loose a damn thing during that week and niether did alot of my allies. Unbelievable ccp wouldn't even consider doing something like this.
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Uther Agnoius
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:24:00 -
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I think im gonna petition all 6 bs I took part in destroying during that time frame and IF my enemy was given double what he lost (Insurance payout + new ship) I will request:
A) Any ammo used killing him
B) exactly what was given to him for free....an insurance payout.
My enemies have now lost 0 ships and are 600M richer. A rollback on a game like eve should not be done unless a database has a severe failure of somesort. You warned people of the risks of exodus and new interfaces, not to mention that they had the test server to get used to it. ALSO everyone knew there was going to be lag issues. This is bull****, unfair in every sense, I didn't loose a damn thing during that week and niether did alot of my allies. Unbelievable ccp wouldn't even consider doing something like this.
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DeathGrip
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:25:00 -
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I have to agree, I am not sure how many ships I killed or lost that week, I am having way to much fun to try and count and keep track of things like this, but I can say this really does suck. Even if i get a few ships back (I think I may have lost 1 prophecy during this time frame, which I deserved to lose, I tried to tank an Apoc which I did very well, and then i tried to tank a GankAgeddon which didn't go so well, but this had nothing to do with game error it was my error.
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DeathGrip
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:25:00 -
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I have to agree, I am not sure how many ships I killed or lost that week, I am having way to much fun to try and count and keep track of things like this, but I can say this really does suck. Even if i get a few ships back (I think I may have lost 1 prophecy during this time frame, which I deserved to lose, I tried to tank an Apoc which I did very well, and then i tried to tank a GankAgeddon which didn't go so well, but this had nothing to do with game error it was my error.
[i]Everyone needs to bring PVP to the table, Miners, Builders, Researchers, Get yourself a Frig, and help out some, You may even |
Barth3zzzNL
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:26:00 -
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Some people got a ship back that theyr lost after the Exodus release or something.
I really hope they DID or will take away the insurance money.
I cant say i enjoy watching people get rewarded for dieing on patch day.
Everbody knows theres a risk, some of us managed to get trough it without losing anything and didnt get a free bs 
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Barth3zzzNL
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:26:00 -
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Some people got a ship back that theyr lost after the Exodus release or something.
I really hope they DID or will take away the insurance money.
I cant say i enjoy watching people get rewarded for dieing on patch day.
Everbody knows theres a risk, some of us managed to get trough it without losing anything and didnt get a free bs
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Shirei
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Galavet
At least take back the freaking insurance money! By killing our enemys we have made them Billions of Isk. Was that even thought about?
I can't speak of any recent experience, but the one time I got a BS back from a petition like half a year ago, the insurance money was removed from my wallet. 
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Shirei
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Galavet
At least take back the freaking insurance money! By killing our enemys we have made them Billions of Isk. Was that even thought about?
I can't speak of any recent experience, but the one time I got a BS back from a petition like half a year ago, the insurance money was removed from my wallet.
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Hast
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: umpa thomas
TY wat the hell ,they are replacing ships from some days and not overs what is with that!
23-28th of november , well i lost my bs on 28th due 2 a glitch with the server and my mate lost his ferox , on a level 4 mission, i still hav not got my pettion answered, apart from an insult about askin my computer spec. and my reply has gone unanswered
2004.11.28 18:19:00
Victim: umpa thomas
Corporation: honestus nobilus
Destroyed Type: Apocalypse
Solar System: Saila
System Security Level: 0.9
There are three reasons for us doing this.
1. The first days of EXODUS were very buggy (23-28 are the first days) and we wanted to make up for that.
2. It's getting close to Christmas and we wanted to be nice.
3. We wanted to close thousands of petitions to be able answer the petitions that were submitted after the 28th.
So merry christmas and hope you enjoy
hmmm, looks like the tables have turned... now its us whining against the carebears who whined their will...
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Hast
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: umpa thomas
TY wat the hell ,they are replacing ships from some days and not overs what is with that!
23-28th of november , well i lost my bs on 28th due 2 a glitch with the server and my mate lost his ferox , on a level 4 mission, i still hav not got my pettion answered, apart from an insult about askin my computer spec. and my reply has gone unanswered
2004.11.28 18:19:00
Victim: umpa thomas
Corporation: honestus nobilus
Destroyed Type: Apocalypse
Solar System: Saila
System Security Level: 0.9
There are three reasons for us doing this.
1. The first days of EXODUS were very buggy (23-28 are the first days) and we wanted to make up for that.
2. It's getting close to Christmas and we wanted to be nice.
3. We wanted to close thousands of petitions to be able answer the petitions that were submitted after the 28th.
So merry christmas and hope you enjoy
hmmm, looks like the tables have turned... now its us whining against the carebears who whined their will...
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:27:00 -
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F-A-R-C-E
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:27:00 -
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F-A-R-C-E
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
SwitchBl4d3
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:27:00 -
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though i only lost a thrasher destroyer. this is CCP's way of keeping the whine OMG buhuh hax the servers **** posts off the forums.
"Teh lord of Nonni"
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SwitchBl4d3
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:27:00 -
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though i only lost a thrasher destroyer. this is CCP's way of keeping the whine OMG buhuh hax the servers **** posts off the forums.
"Teh lord of Nonni"
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:29:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 09/12/2004 19:33:18
"Okay, I admit to being completely out of the know here.
Why were these ships given back? Some sort of server lag? Exploits? What's the deal?
I'm surprised CCP has not issued an official statement on this. Or have they? "
They kinda did... well, Oveur says in this thread anyway:
There are three reasons for us doing this.
1. The first days of EXODUS were very buggy (23-28 are the first days) and we wanted to make up for that.
2. It's getting close to Christmas and we wanted to be nice.
3. We wanted to close thousands of petitions to be able answer the petitions that were submitted after the 28th.
So merry christmas and hope you enjoy
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edit ohh and it's not something BoB/PA specific. people got their ships back EVE-wide.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:29:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 09/12/2004 19:33:18
"Okay, I admit to being completely out of the know here.
Why were these ships given back? Some sort of server lag? Exploits? What's the deal?
I'm surprised CCP has not issued an official statement on this. Or have they? "
They kinda did... well, Oveur says in this thread anyway:
There are three reasons for us doing this.
1. The first days of EXODUS were very buggy (23-28 are the first days) and we wanted to make up for that.
2. It's getting close to Christmas and we wanted to be nice.
3. We wanted to close thousands of petitions to be able answer the petitions that were submitted after the 28th.
So merry christmas and hope you enjoy
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edit ohh and it's not something BoB/PA specific. people got their ships back EVE-wide.
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mahhy
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:30:00 -
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Unbelieveable.
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mahhy
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:30:00 -
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Unbelieveable.
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: Tenacha Khan on 09/12/2004 19:36:04
Originally by: Rod Blaine
what did I miss?
Blacklight got drunk, then neked infront of FA fleet.....seeing him neked made them all self destruct, ccp thought that this was unfair so they handed back the ships and let the insurance isk stand as a form of compensation for their ordeal.
Seriousley though, this is pretty dumb off ccp, there is no loss in this game as there is...but now by loosing ur stuff you actually gain?!?!?
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: Tenacha Khan on 09/12/2004 19:36:04
Originally by: Rod Blaine
what did I miss?
Blacklight got drunk, then neked infront of FA fleet.....seeing him neked made them all self destruct, ccp thought that this was unfair so they handed back the ships and let the insurance isk stand as a form of compensation for their ordeal.
Seriousley though, this is pretty dumb off ccp, there is no loss in this game as there is...but now by loosing ur stuff you actually gain?!?!?
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CmdrRat
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:31:00 -
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You guys should petition for your ammo back.
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CmdrRat
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:31:00 -
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You guys should petition for your ammo back.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:34:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 09/12/2004 19:38:04
Oh man!!! Unreal...
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:34:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 09/12/2004 19:38:04
Oh man!!! Unreal...
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:41:00 -
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looks like some people made some serius money with this thing
Wanna fly with me?
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:41:00 -
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looks like some people made some serius money with this thing
Wanna fly with me?
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Uther Agnoius
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:41:00 -
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Better Solution to the petitions:
How about refunding there insurance premium and not the whole damn ship?
Also I dont think ccp could take away the insurance payout because that was what 2 weeks ago? How much has happened in an EVOLVING REAL-TIME universe in that timeframe. I bet alot of people have lost there ships 3x over since then, some probably dont have any money to give back to ccp...so they would get a negative balance (is that possible)? now they have no isk and owe isk...hindering some peoples ability to make money...more petitions? This was the most illogical and rash descision ccp has ever made. They have no integrity whatsoever watch for this game to go down to tubes if this **** keeps up.
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Uther Agnoius
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:41:00 -
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Better Solution to the petitions:
How about refunding there insurance premium and not the whole damn ship?
Also I dont think ccp could take away the insurance payout because that was what 2 weeks ago? How much has happened in an EVOLVING REAL-TIME universe in that timeframe. I bet alot of people have lost there ships 3x over since then, some probably dont have any money to give back to ccp...so they would get a negative balance (is that possible)? now they have no isk and owe isk...hindering some peoples ability to make money...more petitions? This was the most illogical and rash descision ccp has ever made. They have no integrity whatsoever watch for this game to go down to tubes if this **** keeps up.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:42:00 -
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The evemail from CCP said it was for ships lost between the 20-28 of november. During that time I only lost two Kestrels :'(
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:42:00 -
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The evemail from CCP said it was for ships lost between the 20-28 of november. During that time I only lost two Kestrels :'(
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H Erectus
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:44:00 -
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gj ccp. reward crap eve skills with isk!
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H Erectus
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:44:00 -
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gj ccp. reward crap eve skills with isk!
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Solant
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Okay, I admit to being completely out of the know here.
Why were these ships given back? Some sort of server lag? Exploits? What's the deal?
I'm surprised CCP has not issued an official statement on this. Or have they?
They are giving the ships back en masse to clear out the massive, stinking pile of petitions they have in their queue right now. This is basically the easy, dirty way out of a massive problem.
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Solant
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Okay, I admit to being completely out of the know here.
Why were these ships given back? Some sort of server lag? Exploits? What's the deal?
I'm surprised CCP has not issued an official statement on this. Or have they?
They are giving the ships back en masse to clear out the massive, stinking pile of petitions they have in their queue right now. This is basically the easy, dirty way out of a massive problem.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:00:00 -
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 Atleast you got to keep the lo... *poof*... erhm nm
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:00:00 -
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Atleast you got to keep the lo... *poof*... erhm nm
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:02:00 -
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"They are giving the ships back en masse to clear out the massive, stinking pile of petitions they have in their queue right now. This is basically the easy, dirty way out of a massive problem."
The funny part is, this is likely to only add more petitions from people who didn't get back their ships lost during that period... ^^;;;
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:02:00 -
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"They are giving the ships back en masse to clear out the massive, stinking pile of petitions they have in their queue right now. This is basically the easy, dirty way out of a massive problem."
The funny part is, this is likely to only add more petitions from people who didn't get back their ships lost during that period... ^^;;;
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Solant
Originally by: Seleene
Okay, I admit to being completely out of the know here.
Why were these ships given back? Some sort of server lag? Exploits? What's the deal?
I'm surprised CCP has not issued an official statement on this. Or have they?
They are giving the ships back en masse to clear out the massive, stinking pile of petitions they have in their queue right now. This is basically the easy, dirty way out of a massive problem.
They should at LEAST take the ******* insurance money.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Solant
Originally by: Seleene
Okay, I admit to being completely out of the know here.
Why were these ships given back? Some sort of server lag? Exploits? What's the deal?
I'm surprised CCP has not issued an official statement on this. Or have they?
They are giving the ships back en masse to clear out the massive, stinking pile of petitions they have in their queue right now. This is basically the easy, dirty way out of a massive problem.
They should at LEAST take the ******* insurance money.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Cayote XIII
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:09:00 -
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Don't know why you guys would be complaining, gives you more ships to kill...
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Cayote XIII
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:09:00 -
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Don't know why you guys would be complaining, gives you more ships to kill...
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:10:00 -
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That'd assume killing the same guys over and over was the point. It's not.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:10:00 -
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That'd assume killing the same guys over and over was the point. It's not.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
MortyM
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:18:00 -
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What a great way to balance the game, give all those people that are dumb enough to lose a ship a new one so they can try again and improve thair skills \o/
wtg CPP
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MortyM
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:18:00 -
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What a great way to balance the game, give all those people that are dumb enough to lose a ship a new one so they can try again and improve thair skills \o/
wtg CPP
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Vegeta
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:18:00 -
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Don't see many PA in this thread - weird.
2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
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Vegeta
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:18:00 -
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Don't see many PA in this thread - weird.
2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: Wraeththu on 09/12/2004 20:25:42
Look at it this way. There's a whole nother ship you can blast. It's like someone just restocked the pond.
I didn't get anything back, but it doesn't bother me much.
Hey CCP or PA Could you guys maybe re-stock the safespots? My cruiser stocks are down into like single digits now.
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Edited by: Wraeththu on 09/12/2004 20:25:42
Look at it this way. There's a whole nother ship you can blast. It's like someone just restocked the pond.
I didn't get anything back, but it doesn't bother me much.
Hey CCP or PA Could you guys maybe re-stock the safespots? My cruiser stocks are down into like single digits now.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:23:00 -
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It will probably lenghen the duration of the northern war(s) for a bit Wraeth and thats kinda sucky if you've been waiting for a result.
Star Fraction
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:23:00 -
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It will probably lenghen the duration of the northern war(s) for a bit Wraeth and thats kinda sucky if you've been waiting for a result.
Star Fraction
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:25:00 -
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"They should at LEAST take the ******* insurance money."
There's probably quite a number of people who spent that insurance money they got on their new ship and modules. So you'd have situation where some people with enough money to take the "******* insurance" from them lose their money, and some who don't have enough because they already spent it don't lose anything... just one more reason for people to whine how unfair CCP is.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:25:00 -
[76]
"They should at LEAST take the ******* insurance money."
There's probably quite a number of people who spent that insurance money they got on their new ship and modules. So you'd have situation where some people with enough money to take the "******* insurance" from them lose their money, and some who don't have enough because they already spent it don't lose anything... just one more reason for people to whine how unfair CCP is.
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Solant
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
"They should at LEAST take the ******* insurance money."
There's probably quite a number of people who spent that insurance money they got on their new ship and modules. So you'd have situation where some people with enough money to take the "******* insurance" from them lose their money, and some who don't have enough because they already spent it don't lose anything... just one more reason for people to whine how unfair CCP is.
Easily solved.. give them the option to purchase their ship for the cost of their insurance payout.. Or.. wait for it.. they can sell their ship for even more !
Genius isnt it.
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Solant
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:27:00 -
[78]
Originally by: j0sephine
"They should at LEAST take the ******* insurance money."
There's probably quite a number of people who spent that insurance money they got on their new ship and modules. So you'd have situation where some people with enough money to take the "******* insurance" from them lose their money, and some who don't have enough because they already spent it don't lose anything... just one more reason for people to whine how unfair CCP is.
Easily solved.. give them the option to purchase their ship for the cost of their insurance payout.. Or.. wait for it.. they can sell their ship for even more !
Genius isnt it.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:29:00 -
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Exactly.
From a situation which was close to being settles, it's thrown it all open again.
CCP have ****** over the overall alliance strategic situation. Worse, they did it because they were LAZY. What happens next time something goes wrong?
It's a VERY bad precident to set
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:29:00 -
[80]
Exactly.
From a situation which was close to being settles, it's thrown it all open again.
CCP have ****** over the overall alliance strategic situation. Worse, they did it because they were LAZY. What happens next time something goes wrong?
It's a VERY bad precident to set
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
It will probably lenghen the duration of the northern war(s) for a bit Wraeth and thats kinda sucky if you've been waiting for a result.
It's just pruning anyway.
The closed-space alliance issue is a conceptual virus. It infects the weak and forces them into paranoid dilusions.
Blowing up their ship only really forces them down 'under ground' (aka, back to empire) for a bit. The roots are still there waiting to regrow when the lawn-mower leaves, as their mindset hasn't changed any.
So, realistically, while the destruction of ships is important to progress, it isn't until it's tempered with education that any improvement can happen.
Unfortunatly, it would appear that most of the residents of the World of Eve prefer to learn things the "hard" way, and so CCP just held them back a grade.
Welcome to 2nd grade again.
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:29:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
It will probably lenghen the duration of the northern war(s) for a bit Wraeth and thats kinda sucky if you've been waiting for a result.
It's just pruning anyway.
The closed-space alliance issue is a conceptual virus. It infects the weak and forces them into paranoid dilusions.
Blowing up their ship only really forces them down 'under ground' (aka, back to empire) for a bit. The roots are still there waiting to regrow when the lawn-mower leaves, as their mindset hasn't changed any.
So, realistically, while the destruction of ships is important to progress, it isn't until it's tempered with education that any improvement can happen.
Unfortunatly, it would appear that most of the residents of the World of Eve prefer to learn things the "hard" way, and so CCP just held them back a grade.
Welcome to 2nd grade again.
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Damajink
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:30:00 -
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Rollback? Eh?
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Damajink
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:30:00 -
[84]
Rollback? Eh?
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:31:00 -
[85]
Originally by: j0sephine
"They should at LEAST take the ******* insurance money."
There's probably quite a number of people who spent that insurance money they got on their new ship and modules. So you'd have situation where some people with enough money to take the "******* insurance" from them lose their money, and some who don't have enough because they already spent it don't lose anything... just one more reason for people to whine how unfair CCP is.
The really ironic thing would be if they now got loads of petitions from people about ammo usage on miraculously replaced ships. I dunno, it was clearly a bad petition load and all that, but I can't help but think sticking by the disclaimer:
"new patch be careful out there, don't drive expensive ships unless you are prepared to lose them"
Would have been much healthier for the game in the long run.
Now every time someone loses a ship in dubious circumstances they can actually go "whhhaaaa whhaaaa (you replaced billions of ships to alliance warriors etc)... (and those weren't even lost to bugs!) whaaaahahahaha!" etc.
Star Fraction
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
"They should at LEAST take the ******* insurance money."
There's probably quite a number of people who spent that insurance money they got on their new ship and modules. So you'd have situation where some people with enough money to take the "******* insurance" from them lose their money, and some who don't have enough because they already spent it don't lose anything... just one more reason for people to whine how unfair CCP is.
The really ironic thing would be if they now got loads of petitions from people about ammo usage on miraculously replaced ships. I dunno, it was clearly a bad petition load and all that, but I can't help but think sticking by the disclaimer:
"new patch be careful out there, don't drive expensive ships unless you are prepared to lose them"
Would have been much healthier for the game in the long run.
Now every time someone loses a ship in dubious circumstances they can actually go "whhhaaaa whhaaaa (you replaced billions of ships to alliance warriors etc)... (and those weren't even lost to bugs!) whaaaahahahaha!" etc.
Star Fraction
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:32:00 -
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"Easily solved.. give them the option to purchase their ship for the cost of their insurance payout.. Or.. wait for it.. they can sell their ship for even more !
Genius isnt it."
And who is going to sit and overwatch every single case like that? The whole cluster**** started with the attempt to reduce current workload on the game staff... o.O;
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:32:00 -
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"Easily solved.. give them the option to purchase their ship for the cost of their insurance payout.. Or.. wait for it.. they can sell their ship for even more !
Genius isnt it."
And who is going to sit and overwatch every single case like that? The whole cluster**** started with the attempt to reduce current workload on the game staff... o.O;
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:33:00 -
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So why have they made it MORE of a cluster**** but not taking the ship insurance?
Who's going to compensate the pvp corps for the players they WILL lose because of this?
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:33:00 -
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So why have they made it MORE of a cluster**** but not taking the ship insurance?
Who's going to compensate the pvp corps for the players they WILL lose because of this?
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
So why have they made it MORE of a cluster**** but not taking the ship insurance?
Who's going to compensate the pvp corps for the players they WILL lose because of this?
Speaking sensibly for a moment, nobody should leave because of this fiasco. Its not going to make the losers of ships in alliance wars any better at fighting so the re-run of the contest is just going to be the same in the long run. Its certainly annoying and smacks of the game designers upping the handicap for the successful players, but hey, whatever, I suppose it means everyone can collect two sets of loot from the "risen from the dead" battleships of those guys.
Star Fraction
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:37:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Maya Rkell
So why have they made it MORE of a cluster**** but not taking the ship insurance?
Who's going to compensate the pvp corps for the players they WILL lose because of this?
Speaking sensibly for a moment, nobody should leave because of this fiasco. Its not going to make the losers of ships in alliance wars any better at fighting so the re-run of the contest is just going to be the same in the long run. Its certainly annoying and smacks of the game designers upping the handicap for the successful players, but hey, whatever, I suppose it means everyone can collect two sets of loot from the "risen from the dead" battleships of those guys.
Star Fraction
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MdKharaa
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:37:00 -
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Heh, what a mess.
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MdKharaa
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:37:00 -
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Heh, what a mess.
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Leitari
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:38:00 -
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of course PA arent whining coz they got ******* tons of money for this for free. All our efforts that night have gone down the drain. They had the same 30 minutes window to leave and log off as we did, we didnt coz we know we'd pwn them. They chose to stay and fight so they should reap the consequences!!!!!!. 30 minutes is a long time.
Here, Only the silent survive.
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Leitari
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:38:00 -
[96]
of course PA arent whining coz they got ******* tons of money for this for free. All our efforts that night have gone down the drain. They had the same 30 minutes window to leave and log off as we did, we didnt coz we know we'd pwn them. They chose to stay and fight so they should reap the consequences!!!!!!. 30 minutes is a long time.
Here, Only the silent survive.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:39:00 -
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Just kill 'em again harder Leitari and roll your eyes while doing it
Star Fraction
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:39:00 -
[98]
Just kill 'em again harder Leitari and roll your eyes while doing it
Star Fraction
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:40:00 -
[99]
"So why have they made it MORE of a cluster**** but not taking the ship insurance?"
Because you have no guarantee that the ship insurance can be reliably, automatically pulled from every single player involved, due to some people no longer having the insurance money on them. So if you try to pull it server wide, you wind up with taking it from some but not from all, thus causing even more uproar how some got it better than others not once but twice...
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:40:00 -
[100]
"So why have they made it MORE of a cluster**** but not taking the ship insurance?"
Because you have no guarantee that the ship insurance can be reliably, automatically pulled from every single player involved, due to some people no longer having the insurance money on them. So if you try to pull it server wide, you wind up with taking it from some but not from all, thus causing even more uproar how some got it better than others not once but twice...
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Leitari
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:40:00 -
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oh and why are they getting this? coz they probably had their entire fricking alliance ***** whine like little school girls on a Justin timberlake concerts and then whined alot more like ******* *****es. ****
Here, Only the silent survive.
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Leitari
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:40:00 -
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oh and why are they getting this? coz they probably had their entire fricking alliance ***** whine like little school girls on a Justin timberlake concerts and then whined alot more like ******* *****es. ****
Here, Only the silent survive.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:44:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Leitari
oh and why are they getting this? coz they probably had their entire fricking alliance ***** whine like little school girls on a Justin timberlake concerts and then whined alot more like ******* *****es. ****
Yep Leitari but let me tell you a secret ... winners don't whine
Star Fraction
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:44:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Leitari
oh and why are they getting this? coz they probably had their entire fricking alliance ***** whine like little school girls on a Justin timberlake concerts and then whined alot more like ******* *****es. ****
Yep Leitari but let me tell you a secret ... winners don't whine
Star Fraction
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Leitari
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:44:00 -
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oh and by giving them these resources you're fiddling with ingame politics and may even change the course of events in this game drasticly. isnt that something that should be avoided??? why didnt you just add some game time to everyones account????? ************ sucking mother******* **********ing asslicking ********S.
Here, Only the silent survive.
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Leitari
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:44:00 -
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oh and by giving them these resources you're fiddling with ingame politics and may even change the course of events in this game drasticly. isnt that something that should be avoided??? why didnt you just add some game time to everyones account????? ************ sucking mother******* **********ing asslicking ********S.
Here, Only the silent survive.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:44:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 09/12/2004 20:47:35
So you're sayuing that with NORMAL ship replacements they should check to see if the player has the ISK?
THEY DON'T.
Why should this be any different?
If you are left with negative ISK, TOUGH. Sell the ships, shrug. THAT is the usual CCP response. THERE SHOULD NEVER, EVER, BE AN EXCEPTION TO THIS.
This is a MAJOR slap in the face to a lot of people. And yes, people WILL be quitting over it. It's not "sensible" to make pvp corps fight enemies who now have the very ships they killed back, inflating their wealth. So they're BETTER off that before.
What you said makes sense if killing was the idea. It's not. It's *destroying* the enemy alliance. And this has basically put us back a LONG way.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:44:00 -
[108]
Edited by: Maya Rkell on 09/12/2004 20:47:35
So you're sayuing that with NORMAL ship replacements they should check to see if the player has the ISK?
THEY DON'T.
Why should this be any different?
If you are left with negative ISK, TOUGH. Sell the ships, shrug. THAT is the usual CCP response. THERE SHOULD NEVER, EVER, BE AN EXCEPTION TO THIS.
This is a MAJOR slap in the face to a lot of people. And yes, people WILL be quitting over it. It's not "sensible" to make pvp corps fight enemies who now have the very ships they killed back, inflating their wealth. So they're BETTER off that before.
What you said makes sense if killing was the idea. It's not. It's *destroying* the enemy alliance. And this has basically put us back a LONG way.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:45:00 -
[109]
Originally by: j0sephine
"So why have they made it MORE of a cluster**** but not taking the ship insurance?"
Because you have no guarantee that the ship insurance can be reliably, automatically pulled from every single player involved, due to some people no longer having the insurance money on them. So if you try to pull it server wide, you wind up with taking it from some but not from all, thus causing even more uproar how some got it better than others not once but twice...
Eeh no, they can pull it quite easily actually.
It's been done before, players just end up with a negative wallet if they don't ahve the cash anymore.
The simple fact that having a negative wallet is irritating just does not justify giving out free billions to groups of players that lost their ships under quite playable circumstances. After all, one the very same day alot of players fought and kileld those ships and did not die. Where is the justification for giving the ships back plz ?
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:45:00 -
[110]
Originally by: j0sephine
"So why have they made it MORE of a cluster**** but not taking the ship insurance?"
Because you have no guarantee that the ship insurance can be reliably, automatically pulled from every single player involved, due to some people no longer having the insurance money on them. So if you try to pull it server wide, you wind up with taking it from some but not from all, thus causing even more uproar how some got it better than others not once but twice...
Eeh no, they can pull it quite easily actually.
It's been done before, players just end up with a negative wallet if they don't ahve the cash anymore.
The simple fact that having a negative wallet is irritating just does not justify giving out free billions to groups of players that lost their ships under quite playable circumstances. After all, one the very same day alot of players fought and kileld those ships and did not die. Where is the justification for giving the ships back plz ?
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:46:00 -
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PS ... serious thought guys, tone down the ranting and edit out the swearing or this thread is going to get locked and forgotten and that won't do anybody anygood at all.
Star Fraction
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:46:00 -
[112]
PS ... serious thought guys, tone down the ranting and edit out the swearing or this thread is going to get locked and forgotten and that won't do anybody anygood at all.
Star Fraction
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:58:00 -
[113]
Edited by: j0sephine on 09/12/2004 21:02:22
"If you are left with negative ISK, TOUGH."
Can you actually have negative balance in the game or is it just guess? If it's possible then indeed no problem with it, just didn't think they allow it in game because having such 'feature' is another can of worms begging to be open... o.O
edit ok, just read Rod's reply on the subject so guess that answers it. ^^
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 20:58:00 -
[114]
Edited by: j0sephine on 09/12/2004 21:02:22
"If you are left with negative ISK, TOUGH."
Can you actually have negative balance in the game or is it just guess? If it's possible then indeed no problem with it, just didn't think they allow it in game because having such 'feature' is another can of worms begging to be open... o.O
edit ok, just read Rod's reply on the subject so guess that answers it. ^^
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.12.09 21:00:00 -
[115]
Yes you can. You can't buy anything until you're back to positive ISK.
It's tough on people, but a LOT fairer than free ships
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.12.09 21:00:00 -
[116]
Yes you can. You can't buy anything until you're back to positive ISK.
It's tough on people, but a LOT fairer than free ships
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Rthor
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Posted - 2004.12.09 21:00:00 -
[117]
Bob quote "We want all FA, CA, BA, CIA, what not, all come to venal. This would be uber fun." Now PA, NSA, FU got all these free ships. Ffs you get to blow them up again.
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Rthor
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Posted - 2004.12.09 21:00:00 -
[118]
Bob quote "We want all FA, CA, BA, CIA, what not, all come to venal. This would be uber fun." Now PA, NSA, FU got all these free ships. Ffs you get to blow them up again.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 21:03:00 -
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The idea is to win in teh longrun, not jsut to blow up as many ships as we can.
We do have longterm goals here, and giving out billions to our enemies for stupid reasons isn't going to help alot.
(aside from the retarded answer Oveur just gave in devchat about this, which is total bull of course)
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Posted - 2004.12.09 21:03:00 -
[120]
The idea is to win in teh longrun, not jsut to blow up as many ships as we can.
We do have longterm goals here, and giving out billions to our enemies for stupid reasons isn't going to help alot.
(aside from the retarded answer Oveur just gave in devchat about this, which is total bull of course)
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Uther Agnoius
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Posted - 2004.12.09 21:07:00 -
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Maybe blowing up FA and CA is for fun, but blowing up FU/NSA/PA is for a reason. They are in our space and funding them with billions of isk sets us back. Meanwhile giving them a second chance. An entire WEEK of my time was lost and I want to be reimbursed.
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Uther Agnoius
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Posted - 2004.12.09 21:07:00 -
[122]
Maybe blowing up FA and CA is for fun, but blowing up FU/NSA/PA is for a reason. They are in our space and funding them with billions of isk sets us back. Meanwhile giving them a second chance. An entire WEEK of my time was lost and I want to be reimbursed.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.12.09 21:10:00 -
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Ok, so I guess the right way of handling our dissapointment about this would be to spam ccp with petitions right ?
I mean, shouldn't we get our time spent on achieving longterm ingame goals back here since ccp decided to just randomly return every single lost ship with full insurance ?
I mean, here we are, spending our playtime on working towards a goal in the most disciplined organisation this game has to show and what do we get ? we get the shaft..
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Posted - 2004.12.09 21:10:00 -
[124]
Ok, so I guess the right way of handling our dissapointment about this would be to spam ccp with petitions right ?
I mean, shouldn't we get our time spent on achieving longterm ingame goals back here since ccp decided to just randomly return every single lost ship with full insurance ?
I mean, here we are, spending our playtime on working towards a goal in the most disciplined organisation this game has to show and what do we get ? we get the shaft..
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.12.09 21:12:00 -
[125]
So basicly CCP just shafted everyone who had the smarts to not lose a ship between the 23rd and 28th not by only giving EVERYONE free ships regardless of the reason they lost it, but also by giving them FULLY INSURED SHIPS so they can have double their insurance money aswell.
gg.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.12.09 21:12:00 -
[126]
So basicly CCP just shafted everyone who had the smarts to not lose a ship between the 23rd and 28th not by only giving EVERYONE free ships regardless of the reason they lost it, but also by giving them FULLY INSURED SHIPS so they can have double their insurance money aswell.
gg.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2004.12.09 21:12:00 -
[127]
Please continue this discussion in the sticky thread created for the purpose. 
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Wrangler
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[128]
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