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The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.09 12:49:00 - [91] Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 09/07/2010 12:49:10 Another pack of lies and questions based on false premises from Archbishop. Here is the truth, once more: The Star Fraction are not pirates. The Star Fraction do not shoot neutrals. The Star Fraction advocate and argue for NRDS RoE. The Star Fraction welcome free transit and free trade with neutrals. The Star Fraction view piracy as undesirable on economic, ethical and philosophical grounds. The Star Fraction are not and never will be a party to a 'pirate coalition' anywhere, never mind in free Providence. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Icarus3 Gallente DAEDALUS X The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.07.10 09:27:00 - [92] Edited by: Icarus3 on 10/07/2010 09:27:59 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Archbishop 1. We consider you irrelevant because you are. 2. Efforts on galnet to expose your hypocritical activities are simply a public service. Nice to see PIE inc admitting its full descent into meaningless irrelevance in space capable only of producing nonsense propaganda on galnet. Don't pay to much attention to them Jade. To be honest... it is to be expected. When corporations and alliance begin to crumble such as PIE Inc.... they generally tend to scream the loudest. Survival mechanism maybe? So much for the glorious and almighty allies of the CVA who were never there to defend CVA sov space eh? Another note: Archbishop STILL doesn't realize that Tomahawk Bliss(wether it be true or not)... was speaking on his own behalf and not that of Daedalus X. You see Bishop... we are not a "hive mind" such as PIE Inc. or you false religion... we have individual rights and freedoms DESPITE the best efforts of the Amarr. One does not speak for all. I urge you to remember that fact. A new EVE community
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.07.10 10:07:00 - [93] Originally by: Icarus3 You see Bishop... we are not a "hive mind" such as PIE Inc. or you false religion... we have individual rights and freedoms DESPITE the best efforts of the Amarr. I guess that is why you are demanding of Dame Death to choose a side and stick to it? It is painfully apparent that you are merely a loudmouth of yells terms like 'individual rights' and 'freedoms' without actually understanding what they mean. You only want these things for yourself, and others should do what you think is right for them. You are wholly self-centered, unempathic and care for nothing but yourself. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Icarus3 Gallente DAEDALUS X The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.07.15 20:37:00 - [94] Originally by: Merdaneth Originally by: Icarus3 You see Bishop... we are not a "hive mind" such as PIE Inc. or you false religion... we have individual rights and freedoms DESPITE the best efforts of the Amarr. I guess that is why you are demanding of Dame Death to choose a side and stick to it? It is painfully apparent that you are merely a loudmouth of yells terms like 'individual rights' and 'freedoms' without actually understanding what they mean. You only want these things for yourself, and others should do what you think is right for them. You are wholly self-centered, unempathic and care for nothing but yourself. I am indeed a defender of freedom. I also believe in ethics. Fighting for your beliefs... not changing those beliefs each time the going gets rough for your side of the argument. I care only for those who have honor. Which is something neither you or Dame Death have much of. I'd request you to hold your tongue, but you've already made yourself the laughing stalk of the IGS so... carry on troll. A new EVE community
Sophie Starsparrow Minmatar Ddial Chan Annwn Annwn Matari	Posted - 2010.07.16 04:46:00 - [95] Originally by: Icarus3 You see Bishop... we are not a "hive mind" such as PIE Inc. or you false religion... we have individual rights and freedoms DESPITE the best efforts of the Amarr. One does not speak for all. I urge you to remember that fact. Sophie giggles Sorry Icarus, your words are exactly why I always thought Star Fraction was our closest ideological organization, but the reality is: the way Star Fraction have acted towards loyal Minmatar and their own statements to defend those actions completely contradict everything you said here. You see, SF can't claim the moral high ground when they are right...AND when they are wrong. I don't know why the Amarrians are going on and on about SF working with 'pirates' I really don't. Not when SF has stated they will sit by and watch Sansha supporters fire on those defending against slave raids simply because your 'leader' sleeps with someone who supports Sansha. Obviously Star Fractions' view of both what is good for the revolution and what is freedom are quite different from the actual definitions. ((insert random tirade from Jade or Revan here))
DJ Obsidian New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2010.07.16 04:51:00 - [96] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 09/07/2010 12:49:10 Another pack of lies and questions based on false premises from Archbishop. Here is the truth, once more: The Star Fraction are not pirates. The Star Fraction do not shoot neutrals. The Star Fraction advocate and argue for NRDS RoE. The Star Fraction welcome free transit and free trade with neutrals. The Star Fraction view piracy as undesirable on economic, ethical and philosophical grounds. The Star Fraction are not and never will be a party to a 'pirate coalition' anywhere, never mind in free Providence. The Cosmopolite If this was really true, then why did the Star Fraction put forth every effort to stop the Sisters of EvE a few years ago on their missions of mercy? You know the one where they had found a viral agent that was infecting people and they were dedicating their resources to find a cure? As I recall too, you promptly wardec'd Tomahawk Bliss and his corporation for helping the sisters of eve. You have some skeletons in your closet.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.16 13:03:00 - [97] Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow [...]SF has stated they will sit by and watch Sansha supporters fire on those defending against slave raids simply because your 'leader' sleeps with someone who supports Sansha. A false claim. You're telling lies again, Starsparrow. Originally by: DJ Obsidian If this was really true, then why did the Star Fraction put forth every effort to stop the Sisters of EvE a few years ago on their missions of mercy? You know the one where they had found a viral agent that was infecting people and they were dedicating their resources to find a cure? I can assure you, had we put forth every effort to stop that mission it would have been stopped. I commanded that day and our force was overwhemingly superior. We took no steps against SoE vessels. You possibly are confusing the issue with our legitimate dispute with Mordu's Legion (a dispute that has not ended I would note, hence our status as a formally designated enemy of the Legion) and our destruction of a Legion vessel piloted by one of the Legion officers that had chosen to slander us. As for wars, I admit to some puzzlement at your remarks. At the time of the incident we were in a campaign against the Cyrene Initiative and the Intaki Union, for I can only think you refer to them, were an ally. The only time they have been a war enemy was during our later war against Amarrian loyalist entities when they were a member corporation of the Aegis Militia. None of that had anything to do with the Sisters of Eve. So much for history, which while informative as to certain issues of this thread (such as the relative merits of certain Amarrian loyalist organizations) is probably straying far too wide of the matter. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Emperor Roman Sandals	Posted - 2010.07.16 13:47:00 - [98] Edited by: Emperor on 16/07/2010 13:53:27 Is this discussion nearing resolution, compromise on both your houses? The only agreement here is disagreement. This endless bickering brings no honor the fallen of the Battle of Mekhios, and this divide that separates, yet no smaller! To those of you who believe in The One True God; I call on you to remember that beside holiness and righteousness, our God also has the property of forgiveness, mercy, and grace. Sometimes it is better to let a transgression pass, than to re-butt or to rebuke endlessly. Emulate your God. For if one cannot talk to one's opponent dispassionately, one cannot effectively proclaim His Glory, for no one sees it reflected in us. This endless cycle of senseless arugument distracts us from our true mission. To those of you who do not believe; What do you seek in this endless chatter? Acceptance? A Minmatar sage once wrote The Sebiestor learns wisdom, only once he realizes the futility of trying to move a wall.. Argue .. or don't, move on, or be trapped in an endless cycle of words, but whatever you do - consider what this is achieving. Nothing. convo me to get rid of any un-wanted T2 BPOS
Sophie Starsparrow Minmatar Ddial Chan Annwn Annwn Matari	Posted - 2010.07.17 01:26:00 - [99] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow [...]SF has stated they will sit by and watch Sansha supporters fire on those defending against slave raids simply because your 'leader' sleeps with someone who supports Sansha. A false claim. You're telling lies again, Starsparrow. Why do you continue to call me a liar for simply stating what yu yourselves say publicly for all to see? It's pathological if not downright psychotic. This is Revan supporting slavery. In that opening remark she clearly says this : Originally by: Revan Neferis In advance, before the silly question appears, no, The Star Fraction won't be targeted because I don't target my lover's alliance. Yet in another thread, when asks you Cosmo, why Revan isn't on your list of Sansha supporters you say : Originally by: The Cosmopolite Our standings and war declarations in this matter concern organisations that as a whole are actively supporting the purposes of Sansha's Nation...If and when particular independent corporations or alliances actually take a policy position we will consider the issues that arise. You then go on to say : Originally by: The Cosmopolite I repeat that we set standings on an organisational basis and for reasons pertaining to the policies and actions of organisations and those acting in their name. Revan Neferis will not be shot at by Star Fraction pilots for the simple plain reason that the alliance of which she is a member is not hostile to the Star Fraction. But then it gets confusing. I mean...I understand Revan has ALWAYS been a Sansha supporter, but saying nothing's changed? Everything changed the day Sansha opened their first wormhole in Empire, and everyone seems to see it but you. You were asked again and again if you would fire on Revan and co. In thread after thread you made clear you would not. Like this : Originally by: The Cosmopolite Now, no policy has changed...In this instance, we are quite clear that the Final Stand has not committed to any policy or taken any action that requires any diplomacy or would be likely to lead to a change in posture. We are also satisfied that no individual has taken any action in the name of the Final Stand that requires any such discussion or change. To be clear...we are talking about this : Originally by: Revan Neferis The Covenant and the Sansha Nation have shared positive standings since times immemorial. Hereby I confirm that I'll commence operations to facilitate the incursions of my allied forces in Amarr Empire Space. I'm giving 24 hours warning to Corporations who have interfered with Sansha incursions inside the Empire, to withdraw their support and interference. When 24 hours from this announcement has expired, I'll start to issue formal concord war declarations against corporations and / or alliances of my choice, organizations who will be faced with specialized military forces and become unable to operate against Kuvakei's affairs. I mean, you saw that right? How is it one entity within a larger one can unilaterally declare war on people defending against slave raids without that larger entity being held accountable? These are the people you have set blue, so no matter how much you protest against the Amarr and their brand of slavery you are willingly, obstinately blue to slave supporters. More so, to people who are attempting to weaken our defense against these slave raiders for no other stated reason than to see the raids succeed. Continue pretending I'm lying if it'll help you sleep at night but it would be a refreshing change of pace if Star Fraction actually looked to themselves and honestly re-evaluated their position. Your reputation has fallen from great defenders of freedom to liars, hypocrites and sycophants. How did that happen?
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.17 03:35:00 - [100] Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow Originally by: The Cosmopolite Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow [...]SF has stated they will sit by and watch Sansha supporters fire on those defending against slave raids simply because your 'leader' sleeps with someone who supports Sansha. A false claim. You're telling lies again, Starsparrow. Why do you continue to call me a liar for simply stating what yu yourselves say publicly for all to see? It's pathological if not downright psychotic. We have said no such thing and we act in no such way. I repeat, the claim is false and you are telling lies. You've even conjured up a new lie or two to sprinkle in between your ridiculous collage of chopped up quotes. Your motives in all this are not obscure. You want revenge because we have exposed you as the dupe and creature of slave-trade profiteers, race-traitors and agents of the Amarr Empire. You will therefore not stint yourself to smear us at every twist and turn. You say 'everything' changed with the Nation incursions. This is typical of the hysteria that has been generated by the Nation attacks and it is a hysteria deliberately promoted by those, like you, who see an opportunity to shackle others and bend them to the will of a herd mentality. I admire those who refuse to abandon their principles to this hysterical lowing and braying of panicked ungulates masquerading as capsuleers. I even admire the principle of the Amarrian paramilitaries who refuse to have any truck with their foes even as I abominate them for refusing to act in sensible accordance with better principles than those fed them by their evil old priests. It was with amusement that I saw you abase yourself before Amarr slavers and paramilitaries and beg them to co-operate with you. Here is another group of people who will fire on anti-Sansha forces simply because their overlords order them to do so. Yet no condemnation or torrents of abuse are hurled in their direction from you. Rather, you and your race-traitor confreres saw fit to whine and wheedle in the face of the fact that the Amarr paramilitaries still see you as subhuman. When is this going to sink in? The Amarr loyalists are not interested in peace and well-being for all. They are interested only in the supremacy of their empire and the enslavement of all others under its lash. As for us, it isn't that our reputation has changed. After all Amarr paramilitaries, Ammatar and other race-traitors, Hethites, Federation ultra-nationalists and Midularist Republicans alike have long reviled our name. What's changed here is you. You swapped the noble cause of freedom for the base goal of profiteering and subversion. You allowed yourself to be suborned by race-traitors. It is no surprise that you try to portray us as enemies of freedom now you yourself have abandoned it as your prime cause. It is the classical tactic of those who from guilt or loathing act against freedom to slander those who fight for it. Meantime, I think you will find that those with a rather longer and more consistent record of fighting freedom than you can claim still regard us as stout allies in the cause. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Revan Neferis The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.07.17 03:51:00 - [101] Originally by: The Cosmopolite A false claim. You're telling lies again, Starsparrow. We have said no such thing and we act in no such way. I repeat, the claim is false and you are telling lies. You've even conjured up a new lie or two to sprinkle in between your ridiculous collage of chopped up quotes. She's becoming quite obsessive it seems and as more obsessive, more desperate. I won't even bother to count the times I've read "Revan" in her last post. I seem to cause this reaction on certain people, sooner or later. Poor creatures... Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life
Sophie Starsparrow Minmatar Ddial Chan Annwn Annwn Matari	Posted - 2010.07.17 04:11:00 - [102] Read the threads Cosmo. And you have yet to supply the slightest bit of evidence to the claims that I am a traitor to my own people the way you are a traitor to yours. Unless somehow being in Star Fraction is not really at odds with supporting the Empire? It apparently isn't at odds with supporting Sansha which puts us at odds. I in no way wish to honour the fallen Amarrians at Mekhios, but I also don't believe in dishonouring the dead, nor those that wish to honour those that have passed. This is the second time I have been made to feel sorry for the same Amarrian, and the second time I feel sorry to enemies trying to honour their dead due to Star Fractions complete and utter disregard for common sense and decorum. PIE, I have been at war with you before. I am against CVA and PIE and the Empire (and Sansha, but who's counting). All that considered, I'm sorry for any part I played in allowing SF to derail this thread considering the nature of it.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.17 05:02:00 - [103] Starsparrow, you really do wax pathetic. Am I an apostate? Yes, certainly. Am I a heretic? To be sure. Am I a traitor to the Amarr Empire? Obviously, I am. Am I a traitor to the Amarr people? I do not see myself as such but when all is said and done I am content to await the judgement of the Amarr people when they actually gain their own voice. As to membership of the Star Fraction and supporting Sansha's Nation incursions, attacks and slave-taking, it is as incompatible as support for the Amarr Empire. Which is to say it is completely incompatible. You just want to smear us with this brush of 'Sansha-supporting' tar because you know the current hysteria designates that as a crime akin to baby-eating on an industrial scale. You do so on the basis of our refusal to breach a diplomatic agreement with an ally that does not support the Sansha's Nation incursions. Yet you deny being a slaver-supporter even though you engaged in bad-faith diplomacy, portraying yourself as a mediator, and then declared actual war on us in support of slave-trade profiteers who support the Amarr Empire and Khanid Kingdom. In other words, you're a complete and utter hypocrite. I understand you are trying to provoke me but all you are succeeding in doing is to provoke even more amusement. As to your own status, I think it is, at a minimum, in some doubt. I have not myself named you a race-traitor. I remain of the view that a toxic brew of pride, self-delusion and the attentions of some race-traitors undoubted has caused you to lose your way. However, I do fear that if you continue on the course on which you are set you will eventually become nothing more than a tool of the Amarr Empire and its agents of subversion. What I note is that once more you caper on all fours with Amarr loyalists. Are you so bovine in your stupidity that you seriously think this rally was a simple memorial? Have you even read the triumphalist ravings of these paramilitaries? Their rally celebrated, above all, the destruction of the Minmatar fighters seeking to liberate millions of slaves. It celebrated the victory, as they see it, of the Amarr Empire that day, and you come here saying you feel sorry for these evil slavers? Are you in your right mind at all any more? The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Kathryn Dougans Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.17 06:53:00 - [104] I was working in Sarum Prime the day of this rally. I went to the battle site for a short time, to think about things. Mostly how after two years, all that's happened is that the extremists have managed to spend many lives, and generate more lists of things to avenge and acts that invite vengeance. A motherless son may see the Empress as a substitute. A fatherless daughter may see Shakor as a substitute, And together they will create more orphans. Bit depressing really. Being a single mother is quite hard.
Sinti Vailatti MMZ Laboratories LLC	Posted - 2010.07.17 06:58:00 - [105] Cosmo, Sophie and I rarely see eye to eye on things, but I gotta watch her back on this one. You just said, Originally by: The Cosmopolite As to membership of the Star Fraction and supporting Sansha's Nation incursions, attacks and slave-taking, it is as incompatible as support for the Amarr Empire. Which is to say it is completely incompatible. You just want to smear us with this brush of 'Sansha-supporting' tar because you know the current hysteria designates that as a crime akin to baby-eating on an industrial scale. You do so on the basis of our refusal to breach a diplomatic agreement with an ally that does not support the Sansha's Nation incursions. However, as you open your comm. System for IGS you will see a thread entitled ôCome Forth My Children.ö DonÆt take my word for it. Go look. Despite JadeÆs rhetoric in this thread, we see the following conversation play out quite clearly: Originally by: Master Kuvakei Originally by: Revan Neferis Question: Do you confirm positive relations with the Covenant? Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik But of course. Paint the stars with Crimson, my dear. Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Victoria Stecker Don't you feel the least bit hypocritical sleeping with a woman who has pledged her alliance, if not allegiance, to Sansha's Nation? My private life is my private life. So please tuck that question where the sun doesn't shine. * Revan reads the IGS comms, a heartfelt smile on her face. * That's my love! And to the ignorant subhuman who issued her silly question, The Covenant and the Nation share positive standings towards each other. This is no news since the beginning of times, in case you have missed the clock of the universe ticking. * Looking down, caressing her lover's hair who is resting peacefully, head on her lap whispering "where the sun doesn't shine hum? * shaking her head amused and turning off the comms * Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik LetÆs read that quote again: Originally by: Revan Neferis The Covenant and the Nation share positive standings towards each other. This is no news since the beginning of times, in case you have missed the clock of the universe ticking. And she said this with JadeÆs dizzy head in her lap. If you want Star fraction to be taken seriously; if you ever want to have a shred of legitimacy among the rest of the Capsuleer community, then deal with the lies and hypocracy of your own organization before you try to find fault with someone else. If Star Fraction is against SanshaÆs Nation, clean out your security risks, man up and send some ships to help out the next time there is an attack. Because your words might be pretty, but deeds count more chummer. Serving the Dark Amarr
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.17 07:59:00 - [106] The Star Fraction have participated in counter-Sansha operations in space so any suggestion that we haven't is just another baseless piece of nonsense thrown out for the effect of smearing us as secret Sansha-supporters. You know, if you want to be taken seriously you should learn to tell the difference between personal relationships and political actions. I do not know quite what it is that so befuddles, obsesses and, as it were, marinades the contents of some people's skulls in a glutinous and rather opaque sauce when it comes to the fact that two people who don't agree on every jot and tittle of politics, and who act quite differently politically, economically, militarily and so on, happen to love one another. One would think some capsuleers are innocents to the complexities of love. Possibly that's the simple truth of the matter. Look, the fact is that tabloid journalism smears are the only currency being dealt in by our enemies here. There is no political substance to any of these charges of collusion with Sansha's Nation on our part. Not a drachm. Not an ounce. Not a drop. The Star Fraction carries out its political, military, economic and social actions without reference to the personal relationships between individuals. That is simply a fact. I suppose it is a hard fact for petty, small-minded people to accept but it is nevertheless the fact. There is no hypocrisy here. Indeed, quite the reverse for all this turns on the fact that we refuse to interfere with and dictate to an allied entity when it comes to the matter of its individual members and the personal activities of said members. In summary, as usual, our foes, the slavers, and the hysteria merchants of the contemporary moral panic over the Sansha's Nation incursions can't stand the fact that we are being consistent and sticking to our principles. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.07.17 08:14:00 - [107] Originally by: The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction carries out its political, military, economic and social actions without reference to the personal relationships between individuals. Out of curiosity, do you understand the definition of the term "conflict of interest"? ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Revan Neferis The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.07.17 08:37:00 - [108] Originally by: Sinti Vailatti And she said this with JadeÆs dizzy head in her lap. So delightfully poetic... Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life
Sinti Vailatti MMZ Laboratories LLC	Posted - 2010.07.17 09:25:00 - [109] LetÆs break this down so there is no cause for confusionàor chance at chicanery. Cosmo, you said: Originally by: The Cosmopolite As to membership of the Star Fraction and supporting Sansha's Nation incursions, attacks and slave-taking, it is as incompatible as support for the Amarr Empire. Which is to say it is completely incompatibleàYou do so on the basis of our refusal to breach a diplomatic agreement with an ally that does not support the Sansha's Nation incursions. I just showed you that not only does your ally support Sansha: Originally by: Revan Neferis The Covenant and the Nation share positive standings towards each other. This is no news since the beginning of times, in case you have missed the clock of the universe ticking. But one of your own members was present at this declaration of support and did or said nothing to refute it then or since: Originally by: Revan Neferis * Looking down, caressing her lover's hair who is resting peacefully, head on her lap whispering "where the sun doesn't shine hum? * shaking her head amused and turning off the comms * So there is every reason to call you a hypocrite. Despite that, IÆm not trying to be inflammatory. Many legal systems maintain clauses that protect one spouse from having to testify against the other. This is due to a basic conflict of interests. Most corporations do not allow spouses or lovers or relatives to work together in the same department because of the inherent risk of favoritism. By every ethical standard, a professional relationship ceases to be a professional relationship once it becomes a personal one. And sex has always been at the forefront of espionage. From the oldest stories of mankind to the popular holovids of today and in history after history we see evidence that lovers always reveal to each other things they shouldnÆt. That you back your friend is commendable. IÆm a big fan of love and a romantic at heart too! That two people who are so diametrically opposed could form a deep bond like this is every romanticÆs dream. But this goes way beyond the realms of romanticism. Millions of peoplesÆ lives are at stake. Even if she never hands the Nation a slave herself, by not doing everything she can to end RevanÆs support of the Nation, she is an ally of everything Star Fraction claims to fight against. Maybe IÆm just a slave and a ôrace traitorö in your eyes (and arenÆt you one too?), but my Master didnÆt raise me to be ignorant. Tell me how this doesnÆt constitute a massive conflict of interest for your alliance? You canÆt say that you are against slavery and yet maintain an alliance with someone who supports slavery. That goes beyond hypocrisy and illogic and teeters on the brink of the sociopath. Serving the Dark Amarr
Fridarey Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.17 09:48:00 - [110] Originally by: Sinti Vailatti Maybe IÆm just a slave and a ôrace traitorö Well aren't you? Originally by: Sinti Vailatti my Master didnÆt raise me to be ignorant Apparently he didn't raise you to think for yourself either. Originally by: Sinti Vailatti how this doesnÆt constitute a massive conflict of interest? What you being a slave condemning Sansha's Nation slavery that only exists because the same people you serve (your master's people) enslaved a few hundred million matari and sold them to Sansha to experiment on new methods of slave holding. That kind of conflict of interest? Quote: You canÆt say that you are against slavery and yet maintain an alliance with someone who supports slavery. Isn't that what you are doing? Or perhaps the fact you are a slave absolves you from "forming an alliance" with your master (who very definately supports slavery). Amarrians, race-traitor matari and bottom-feeding ammatar lickspittals condeming Sansha's Nation for slavery. That's really the only conflict of interest in this matter and your arguments are getting increasingly desperate, illogical and piteous.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.07.17 09:51:00 - [111] Originally by: Fridarey What you being a slave condemning Sansha's Nation slavery that only exists because the same people you serve (your master's people) enslaved a few hundred million matari and sold them to Sansha to experiment on new methods of slave holding. That kind of conflict of interest? You do realise that your opponent experiencing a conflict of interest does not neccessarily insulate you from experiencing one yourself, right? ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Darveses DAEDALUS X The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.07.17 09:55:00 - [112] I can't believe people are still hung up over what must obviously be the single most important and interesting relationship of New Eden.. ---
Revan Neferis The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.07.17 09:59:00 - [113] Originally by: Darveses I can't believe people are still hung up over what must obviously be the single most important and interesting relationship of New Eden.. Add to that "for 5 years now" Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life
Darveses DAEDALUS X The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.07.17 10:14:00 - [114] Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Darveses I can't believe people are still hung up over what must obviously be the single most important and interesting relationship of New Eden.. Add to that "for 5 years now" I would have, but I wasn't sure wether it was five or six years ---
Shirley Serious Amarr The Khanid Sisters of Athra	Posted - 2010.07.17 10:18:00 - [115] What Andreus Ixiris and others fail to realise, is that they are living in the time of the Greatest Love Story Of New Eden Ever. i.e. when history books are written, that's what will be written about. And holo-films too. Eyes meet over a glass of fine wine, while in the background a planet explodes for no readily apparent reason. That sort of thing. Other events are not really as notable. This lack of realisation is what causes so much idle posting, and accusations of hypocrisy and conflicts of interest. E.g. a recent accusation was that Captain Neferis was no friend of the Minmatar, despite her efforts against CVA, PIE, etc. Because allegedly she called some Minmatar subhumans or something. The details of the accusation are not important. If the accusation is false, well, haters gonna hate, as the young people say these days. In the unlikely event that it is true, then it is not actually hypocrisy. Instead, and this is what the people don't realise, it elevates Captain Neferis statements of poetry to Captain Constantine even further. That is, if Captain Neferis did say something about Minmatar that might be considered mean if it was said by someone else, then when she says such nice things about Captain Constantine, e.g. that gift she made recently, then the depth of feeling that is revealed is so much greater. Hence, Greatest New Eden Love Story Of All Time. And the bit-players and by standers will not be mentioned in history, so would do better for themselves by not talking about it. Yes. Yes, I am.
Revan Neferis The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.07.17 10:19:00 - [116] Originally by: Darveses Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Darveses I can't believe people are still hung up over what must obviously be the single most important and interesting relationship of New Eden.. Add to that "for 5 years now" I would have, but I wasn't sure wether it was five or six years 5 officially, 6 unofficially Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life
Sinti Vailatti MMZ Laboratories LLC	Posted - 2010.07.17 10:47:00 - [117] The hang up isn't over who is sleeping with whom. If that was the case weÆd be all trying to see who Seriphyn Inhonores falls in bed with next. It's about Star Fraction claiming to be an "anti-slavery" alliance who is in bed figuritvly and literally with people theyÆre supposed to be fighting against. ItÆs about Star Fraction decrying the actions of SanshaÆs Nation while they keep close ties with Sansha supporters. They mucked up a peaceful ceremony with the claim that they were making a stand against slavery but they allow their people to fraternize with the enemy. It kind of makes me wonder if UÆK is guilty of the same level of complicity. They want to ôfree my peopleö but if they have to work with the likes of Star Fraction or Final Stand to do soàarenÆt they just supporting a different brand of slavery? Given Star FractionÆs actions at the memorial and their alliance with Final Stand can UÆK really trust them? The purpose of this facet of the debate isnÆt just another excuse to slam Star Fraction. We covered their disgraceful actions earlier on and thereÆs more than enough other threads open to indulge that pastime. When Sansha puts several dozen ships over a densely populated planet, people want to know who they can trust to stand against them. Cosmo says Star Fraction is against Sansha, but thereÆs a worm at the heart of his rhetoric. Is the offer of assistance self-aggrandizement or is it true? ThatÆs the hang up. The love story is irrelevant if thereÆs no one left alive to read about it. Serving the Dark Amarr
Darveses DAEDALUS X The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.07.17 11:23:00 - [118] Edited by: Darveses on 17/07/2010 11:26:50 Originally by: Sinti Vailatti It's about Star Fraction claiming to be an "anti-slavery" alliance who is in bed figuritvly and literally with people theyÆre supposed to be fighting against. ItÆs about Star Fraction decrying the actions of SanshaÆs Nation while they keep close ties with Sansha supporters. They mucked up a peaceful ceremony with the claim that they were making a stand against slavery but they allow their people to fraternize with the enemy. #1 - Star Fraction /= Jade Constantine The two were together when Revan was a slaver and I dare saying that she supported slaver organizations back then as she does now. What makes you think that Nation being one of these slaver organizations will change anything? And while it may be hard for you to understand, there are people who can divide personal and professional interests, or who love each other enough to not care. Originally by: Sinti Vailatti It kind of makes me wonder if UÆK is guilty of the same level of complicity. They want to ôfree my peopleö but if they have to work with the likes of Star Fraction or Final Stand to do soàarenÆt they just supporting a different brand of slavery? Given Star FractionÆs actions at the memorial and their alliance with Final Stand can UÆK really trust them? #2 - Final Stand /= Revan Neferis. She is a Blood Raider and Sani Sabik, The Archaeus of Blood is a Blood Raider and Sani Sabik organisation. The Final Stand isn't. While it may be hard for you to understand, there are people who can and do divide corporate and alliance interests. Originally by: Sinti Vailatti The purpose of this facet of the debate isnÆt just another excuse to slam Star Fraction. Considering that all your arguments have been there before and that this here is just the continuation of the witch hunt on another thread, thats precisely what it is. ---
CAPTAIN HELLIAN Gallente The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.07.17 11:26:00 - [119] Originally by: Sinti Vailatti Even if she never hands the Nation a slave herself, by not doing everything she can to end RevanÆs support of the Nation HAHAHAHAH If you think that Jade has power to convince Revan of anything that isn't of Revans own interest, you should ask around before writing. Anyone who's a bit familiar with the couple knows how things works there. But you're all a bunch of hypocrites. If you're truly concerned about Revan using her immense influence and fortune aid the sansha, you'd be trying to convince her to change sides, doing the job yourselves in a more convincing way and not wasting your time on pseudo-bashing Star Fraction frenzy threads. 2 cents
Revan Neferis The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.07.17 21:17:00 - [120] Originally by: CAPTAIN HELLIAN Originally by: Sinti Vailatti Even if she never hands the Nation a slave herself, by not doing everything she can to end RevanÆs support of the Nation HAHAHAHAH If you think that Jade has power to convince Revan of anything that isn't of Revans own interest, you should ask around before writing. Anyone who's a bit familiar with the couple knows how things works there. But you're all a bunch of hypocrites. If you're truly concerned about Revan using her immense influence and fortune aid the sansha, you'd be trying to convince her to change sides, doing the job yourselves in a more convincing way and not wasting your time on pseudo-bashing Star Fraction frenzy threads. 2 cents Dear dear... Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life

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