Originally by: Alica Wildfire

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Maybe we get a Thrasher fleet up to give some Minmatar Militia reminder of that day? That our wreath is coming over you as long as you poision our people with Vitoc, poision our souls with your ill religion and racist propaganda and put our naturally born freedom under the whip and the shackles of slavery.

May the sky above those worlds burn again, burn, burn, burn. As long as a single Matari is held as a slave in the Empire.

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Originally by: Grr

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This year I will be personally delivering a short speech on the events of the last two years and how they have effected Amarr loyalists and our relationships.

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Originally by: The Cosmopolite

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Originally by: Grr

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This year I will be personally delivering a short speech on the events of the last two years and how they have effected Amarr loyalists and our relationships.

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I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the alignment of certain 'Amarr loyalist' entities with pirates, wolfsheads and assorted other practitioners of rapine and pillage.

The Cosmopolite

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Originally by: Grr

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This year I will be personally delivering a short speech on the events of the last two years and how they have effected Amarr loyalists and our relationships.

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Originally by: Archbishop

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The rally went off without a hitch...

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Originally by: Koronakesh

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Originally by: Archbishop

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The rally went off without a hitch...

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Of course it did. Can't expect much else when you confine yourself to the only measure of safety you have left, and pay off with the hulls of ships those who came. At least some amongst the congregation possessed of more gall made their thoughts known and left. Yes, "these words of Amarr victor ring most hollow" indeed.

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Originally by: Koronakesh

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Originally by: Archbishop

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The rally went off without a hitch...

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Of course it did. Can't expect much else when you confine yourself to the only measure of safety you have left, and pay off with the hulls of ships those who came. At least some amongst the congregation possessed of more gall made their thoughts known and left. Yes, "these words of Amarr victor ring most hollow" indeed.

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Originally by: Archbishop

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Greetings brothers and sisters of Amarr, friends of the Amarr Emipre and loyal supporters of the Empress Jayml.

Two years ago this week the peaceful Amarr Empire lived in harmony with others. Our borders were secure, our mission of enlightenment was proceeding. That all changed one day.
Reports came in of fighting in Kor Azor, in the mandate then finally a heathen elder fleet appeared in Sarum Prime.

That fleet brought death and destruction to the innocent Amarrian people.

That fleet stole the property of Amarr and also stole the opportunity of enlightnment for the slaves they "freed".

Thousands upon millions perished that day throughout the empire.

Yet on that day something happend. Like a Phoenix rising from the flames the Amarr Empire recovered.

As the Elder Fleet bombarded from above Mekhios a small squad of Imperial class Amarrian Battleships appeared.

Led by one who would later be identified as the royal heir Jamyl of Sarum Prime.

Her small force of loyalist forces took aim with some sort of weapon.

A weapon many of us call "The Hand of God" for it's unknown even today.

What is known though is the result of this one weapon.

The complete and utter destruction of the Elder fleet. Amarr was saved.

The tide of battle turned that day and eventually Amarrian forces led to victory.

After that we had the coronation of the now Empress Jamyl I and Amarr has continued at war ever since.

The 24th imperial crusade has fought valiantly agaisnt the enemies of God.

But it all started at Mekhios.

Those who perished that day were the first warriors of this "new war" that would engulf Amarr.

Today we come together for two things. To honor those who perished that day fighting for Amarr and to honor those who persevered and have fought on.

In the two years since that day systems have been won and lost and won again. Corporations have moved in and out of the militia and back in. Some have joined and supported Amarr in other ways from afar.

But the one constant from day one has been the support of the loyal citizens of our empire and it's loyalist organizations.

The support of God and Empire we all feel in our hearts.

Today we honor those who fell and those who perservered.

Recently the tide of battle turned again in Amarr favor.

Forces of the Amarr Militia have regained ground once lost.

Today I am honored to call Dantalus Portos to speak. He is a member of one of the most successful militia corporations of late.

He is a fine citizen and a good man.

Legatus Portos.

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Originally by: Dantalus Portos

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From Darkness, comes light.

The light of our Empress transcends the darkness of those that raise arms against us.

May His will and Her light guide us.

May His will and Her light strengthen us.

May His will and Her light unite noble loyalist forces to find co-operation.

Our cause is great. Our determination is unparalleled. Our power is overwhelming.

On behalf of the 1st Praetorian Guard and all those that are true and loyal to the Empire...

Amarr Victor!

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Originally by: Archbishop

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Thank you Legatus Portos.

Please rise for a reading of holy scripture:

"For forty millenniums we struggled in the desert. Time of infinity to grief our misgivings.
Time of eternity to stray without God's guidance. One can repent and pray for forgiveness.
But true meekness is one that has penetrated and laid its roots in the very heart of a man. The stars above will not weep for us parting.
The air we breathe won't notice our disappearance. The dirt of the earth will embrace our decadence.
Only in God can we thrive and grow. Only God."
The Scriptures, Kuria 4:23

Amen.


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Originally by: Archbishop

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While many have fought directly in the Amarr militia for God there are others.

To the south our good friends of the CVA held the Providence region for many years.

Successfully creating a place where pilots could live in relative safety free from the heathen and the pirate.

Our friends in the CVA helped supply Amarrian corporations with tactical and material support the last two years. In return the forces of Amarr helped CVA on occasion with operations.

It is our desire to see all Amarrian forces grow in their relationships with one another.

I am pleased to recognize Rorin Cutter.

A former CVA diplomat, who has asked to say a few words.

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Originally by: Rorin Cutter

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Good day everyone, some of you may know me, and some might not.

I have spent much time in the last years trying my best to live up to the legend of those brave pilots who on this day two years ago did there best and gave there all to protect the Empire from the heathen invasion.

Of course they sacrificed themselves and paid the ultimate price, and in there memory I would like to say, thank you!

At the same time, I would like to say a short prayer in memory of those that have fallen in both that invasion and the invasion from the terrorists in Providence.

These are dark times for many, but I believe that God through the Empress is our guiding light!

The word of the Lord is pure,It is a shield for the faithful,Brought unto men by the Angels,As a guiding light in the darkness "- The Scriptures, Book of the Prophet Anoyia, 8:15

Oh God Bless the fallen in your name! Give us Victory oh Lord; we beseech you for victory against your enemies!

For we are your people, your retribution incarnate, and your angels of vengeance, and we will overcome in your name!

Amarr Victor Brothers and Sisters!

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Originally by: Rodj Blake

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Thank you Archbishop.

And thank you to the Star Fraction mole who is kindly relaying this service to the masses in Amarr - you are saving Archbishop a job!

I would like to talk today about service, and the difficult decisions that we need to make to carry it out.

Two years ago, Jamyl Sarum returned to the Empire and defeated the Elders at Mekhios.

Since then, all of us who are loyal to the Empire have had to make some difficult decisions about the nature of our service.

Those of us who have been fighting for Amarr for many years have in recent times been joined by some pilots with a less than savoury reputation - pirates, heretics, thieves. I'm sure you all can all think of some examples.

We have at times therefore been forced to choose whether or not to support them.

I shall return to that shortly, but before I do I should inform you that PIE was recently approached by an alliance that by it's very nature is hostile to the Empire. They informed us that they were preparing an attack on one of our enemies. We had to decide whether or not to side with them.

I think that the words of one of my fellow Admirals sums up our decision quite nicely:

"So enemies of Amarr, terrorist mercenaries and supporters of the Tyrant Shakor are all trying to kill each other. Good. They all deserve to burn. No Praetorian is to offer cooperation or support to either side."

That is essentially the attitude that has kept PIE true to its founding principles for a very long time.

Unlike many of our opponents who will shamelessly throw aside their principles when it is expedient to do so, we do not subscribe to the belief that the enemy of our enemy is automatically our friend.

We have often found that it is better to allow two sets of enemies to tear each other apart like the dogs they are rather than to get involved.

And so it is that we return to those unsavoury groups who claim to fight for Amarr.

I say let them do so.

Let them die for us.

But in saying so, I should point out that whilst PIE will not prevent them and the Shakorites from tearing into each other, we will not provide them with assistance either.

We will fight the war according to our principles, not theirs.

Their past sins are still sins for at least until they seek atonement for them, and whilst we may share a militia with sinners we will not ally ourselves with them.

For without our principles, we are nothing and this is a war of one set of principles against another.

The principles of faith, justice and civilisation that underpin Amarrian society against the principles of sin, anarchy and barbarism that our enemies support.

We will not win the war by abandoning our principles - and so we won't.

Rather, we shall acheive victory by remaining true to our Amarrian heritage.

We shall use the the shield of faith to protect us from our enemies and the sword of justice to smite them.

We shall win.

Amarr Victor.

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Originally by: Archbishop

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Thank you Admiral Blake.

Casting his sight on his realm, the Lord witnessedThe cascade of evil, the torrents of war.
Burning with wrath He stepped down from the Heavens
To judge the unworthy,To redeem the pure.
The Scriptures, Revelation Verses 2:12

Now I would like to introduce a great friend and Amarrian loyalist: Admiral Grr of Epitoth Fleetyards.

Admiral!

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Originally by: Grr

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My apologies for not being there in person but business keeps me busy

Thank you Archbishop.

A year ago it fell to myself to help lead a fleet into the republic where Amarr loyalist forces delivered speeches reflecting a year of war and lives lost.

The event was of course an outstanding success but despite our flag of peace, the fleet was shot at by republic navy forces, terrorists and pirates.

It left a bitter taste in my mouth to deliver words of how bravely all sides had fought while under fire from those who we took time to visit and give our respects to.

This year IÆm pleased to see Archbishop step forward to organize this memorial and have offered him my full support.

In keeping with this change of location however and with last yearÆs experiences in mind IÆll not focus on the enemy and instead speak how the war has affected Amarr loyalists.

While last year our fleet sent 1000 freedom fighters to their deaths with our energy weapons, this year I will try and temper the loyalist here with the weapons of words.

Unlike Rodj and others here I am no wordsmith, most here have come to respect the ideas I try to convey. So much so that not long ago I was voted ôAmarr Loyalist of the Yearö by many of you so IÆd like to think at least some listen to me.

I must warn you that my words today may offend some but I only offer the truth and say these words out of love for you and our Empire...

The past two years I have seen a major failure to communicate between the Amarr loyalist paramilitary corps.

I have seen pilots argue in our intel channels about what they name their ship, all the while our forces were under attack.

I have seen entire loyalist fleets slaughtered because they could not work together.

This must stop.

The issue of piracy has reared its ugly head a number of times causing conflict among loyalists that used to work so well together.

How do you define a pirate? Does a nullsec alliances NRDS policy have a place in the warzone? These are important questions but when they drive a wedge between brothers, they become pointless.

IÆm pleased to say that after many incidents and arguments things have calmed down a bit between us all. The problems still exist however and should not be ignored.

Now is perhaps a good time for CVA to review its militia war polices and perhaps a good time for old loyalist corps such as 1st Praetorian Guard and PIE Inc to work together harder than ever before.

There is also this myth that direct involvement in the war is the be all and end all of being loyal to the Empire. This is simply a fallacy as a number of corps and alliances work hard to protect or develop the Empire in their own ways.

ItÆs not all negative however. There have clearly have been some successes such as the ôconfido,ö a group of like-minded Amarr corps whose goal is to win the war yet upkeep a set of standards while doing so.

Recently weÆve seen them really drive forward the war effort working hard to help achieve our victories and so I can only offer my thanks for their efforts.

On other fronts the Caldari Militia have done extremely well because of one important reason: cooperation.

Perhaps the Amarr militia can learn a lot from our allies here.

IÆm entirely confident that if we can swallow our pride, work together as brothers weÆll see the end of this war a lot sooner.

It would be fantastic to see in one year from now the Amarr bloc celebrating a victory at this time and cooperation is key to achieving it.

I leave you a small piece of scripture to contemplateà

"Surround yourself with the faithful, Stand together, for there is no strength like it under the heavens."

Thank you for listening.

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Originally by: Archbishop

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I would like to close with a piece of scripture - please rise.

Which test reveals more of the soul - the test that a man will take to prove his faith. or the test that finds the man who believed his faith already proven?...

...If you know this answer, then you also know which of these challenges bear the greatest penalty for failure...

...The gates of paradise will open for you one time only; woe to the soul who dares to knock twice.

Remember these words brothers and sisters and other friends of Amarr.

Do not even for a moment leave the path.

Though the road may be difficult, may have agnoy and loss, may have pain and suffering, if it is the road of God it must be followed.

Do not take the easy way out or indulge in personal desires and pleasures.

There is work to do. We must all do it.

In any capacity you can, some mine, some build, some fight and some conquer.

We all serve Amarr and God and our work is not yet finished.

Now a prayer.

Lord God of Amarr. Continue to watch over the Amarr Empire and bring your wisdom to our Empress Jamyl I. Guide her hand as she leads us to victory over the heathen and salvation in your realm...

...Give us the strength to support you as we should.
...Give us the truth as you always have as our weaopn agaisnt tyranny and evil.
...Give us the courage to put aside personal dispute and petty differences and the ability to rise together as one massive army of God to smite the heathens.

We humbly ask you give us these things in your name. For we are your humble servants.

Amen.

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Originally by: Archbishop

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Thank you for attending. But before you go. I have a surprise. The loyalist organization ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES and PIE Inc have donated some ships to be distributed to attendees.

You have all been secretly assigned numbers based on your order in the chatwindow on the right

Of course terrorists and enemies of Amarr are not eligible for prizes.

The first number is 8. Derek Schaeffer.
You are awarded an Armageddon Battleship. Use it well against enemies of the Empire and God

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Originally by: Silas Vitalia

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Let's away, these words of Amarr Victor ring most hollow considering the war targets nearby. Call us when you people are serious about ther real threats.

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Originally by: Archbishop

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The second number is 10.

Eliana Narai.

Use this apocalypse battleship to strike fear inito the hearts of the heathens.

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Originally by: Archbishop

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The third number is 12. Greyon. Use this apocalypse to destroy heathens!

The next number is 20. Liamn Use this Apocalypse against those who would rob us of our way of life.

The final number is 28 - Sten Mattson. This Abaddon was built by my own factories. Use it well.

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Originally by: Vaarun

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Ahhh, Koro...I believe your fall from grace is now complete.
I had hoped you would find your way back to the Empire, but now you have burned that bridge and urinated on the blackened remnants of the support pylons.

You have been one step forward and five steps back for some time, but this settles it for me.

May you burn on the bosom of the petty and small individuals you have taken sides with against the Empire...

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Originally by: Rodj Blake

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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 17/06/2010 18:37:21

PIE has always been serious about combating real threats to the Empire and the Amarrian way of life.

It's why we not only belong to the militia but also have a track record of maintaining wars against a number of targets.

However, the Star Fraction are a long way from providing such a threat.

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If the Khanid Provinicial Vanguard wishes to co-operate with PIE in the future, I suggest that discussing such matters privately in a calm and rational manner rather then throwing public hissy-fits is the way to do it.

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Originally by: Merdaneth

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Brother Jakiin,

I believe a moment of remembrance is intended for warriors fighting a continual war to not focus on killing, but to focus on the costs of war, our losses, instead.

During the ceremony I was completely prec-occupied with the losses my own family suffered during the attack on Mekhios. My grief was to intense to even think of monitoring other channels during the ceremony and I certainly not to shout with enthusiasm about the glories of the Empire.

At the conclusion of the ceremony I undocked and visited Mekhios itself for a private moment of remembrance there, shared with ms. Dougans. I ignored the enemies I encounter and only after honoring the dead and my ancestors properly would I start to think of war. I will not let my enemies dictate my timetable if at all possible.

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Which leads me to what I believe is an oversight in Vanguard intelligence. I don't believe sufficient firepower was available. Besides mutual hostiles in the Star Fraction, of which some were waiting one system beyond Amarr to hide their true strength, I counted a significant number of ships only hostile to PIE. These ships were fitted for sniping and carried copious amounts of Radar ECM. It is my estimation that a engagement right outside the station would likely have resulted in a bloodbath.

I can only say that the Star Fraction chose an excellent time for their momentary war declaration. Either they would defile the moment of remembrance by spilling the blood of thousands of loyal crew or they would defile it by defaming the Empire on public channels during the ceremony. In short: a win-win situation.

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The biggest impact on me during the ceremony was made by admiral Grr, who spoke in length about a subject I would suggest the Vanguard study it at more length.

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Originally by: Rodj Blake

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However, the Star Fraction are a long way from providing such a threat.

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Originally by: Rodj Blake

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...I suggest that discussing such matters privately in a calm and rational manner rather then throwing public hissy-fits is the way to do it.

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Originally by: Silas Vitalia

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I'd say the dozens of SF wartargets outside the station during your event proved otherwise.

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What God fearing servant of the Lord could refuse such an opportunity? We are none of us numerous enough by ourselves, but together, we could surely overpower them. Instead of donating ships as door prizes, donate the money for a single day of CONCORD sanctioned warfare to each corporation in attendance, to coincide with the ceremony. Now, instead of our enemies facing a dozen ships, they have 3 or 4 times that amount to contend with.

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Originally by: Archbishop

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I must say Silas you operate from a flawed assumption. The assumption that anyone cares what the Star Fraction does.

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Originally by: Archbishop

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I must say Silas you operate from a flawed assumption. The assumption that anyone cares what the Star Fraction does.

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If you truly were careless of Star Fraction's involvement you would have dared to undock. The fact you cringed inside a station like a puling maggot suggests you cared an awful lot about our involvement and were terrified by it.

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Originally by: Rodj Blake

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Originally by: Archbishop

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I must say Silas you operate from a flawed assumption. The assumption that anyone cares what the Star Fraction does.

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If you truly were careless of Star Fraction's involvement you would have dared to undock. The fact you cringed inside a station like a puling maggot suggests you cared an awful lot about our involvement and were terrified by it.

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No, the fact that he remained inside the station indicates that he was organising a gathering inside the station, as publicised in advance.

Why would anyone want to change their plans simply because you happen to be loitering in the area?

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Originally by: Archbishop

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I must say Silas you operate from a flawed assumption. The assumption that anyone cares what the Star Fraction does.

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If you truly were careless of Star Fraction's involvement you would have dared to undock. The fact you cringed inside a station like a puling maggot suggests you cared an awful lot about our involvement and were terrified by it.

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Originally by: Archbishop

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Resurrecting a nearly month old thread

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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The fact he arranged the memorial inside a station demonstrates he's terrified of his enemies.
The fact he dared not undock when confronted by those enemies demonstrates he's a cowardly worm.
Neither of these facts gives him much right to say the words "Amarr Victor" with a straight face.

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Originally by: Archbishop

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Anything to try and hide the fact her most active pilots and commanders have abandoned the alliance and the locals in Providence want her out. Yes I can see how desperate she really is given what's happened.

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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But if you truly believe SF is falling apart I guess that means you should fight next time we wardec you right?

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Originally by: Archbishop

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I'm sure just like the Stimulus guys who left your group and now speak negatively about you we'll eventually see this from some of the more honest DX4 pilots.

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Originally by: Archbishop

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the fact your alliance is falling apart and your most active members are leaving isn't really an effective tactic when you've been completely exposed.

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Originally by: Archbishop

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It was a day of great treachery and violence. A day the heathen showed exactly what he was made of.

The unprovoked acts of violence continued as the Minmatar struck the peaceful Amarrians on several fronts. But in the heat of battle the unlikely appearance of a Royal Heir would turn the fortunes of an empire reeling from Minmatar treachery.

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Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss

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I think you misunderstand how supporting a coalition works. you think tags matter? people change depending on the job at hand. in fact, how many PIE pilots have gone and worked for other Amarr loyalist groups but remained in the fold and fought along side their brethren?

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Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores

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If you ask me, I prefer the Empire over the State or Republic anyday, but honestly. You really think Mekhios was undeserved? After centuries of torment to the Minmatar people?

Just saying.

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Originally by: Eran Mintor

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Edited by: Eran Mintor on 06/07/2010 11:51:45

Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores

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If you ask me, I prefer the Empire over the State or Republic anyday, but honestly. You really think Mekhios was undeserved? After centuries of torment to the Minmatar people?

Just saying.

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If you ask me, I prefer logic over all that bull**** anyday, but honestly. You really think Seyllin was undeserved? After centuries of acting like pompous *******s, you had it coming, right?

Edit: Just saying....

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Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores

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Originally by: Eran Mintor

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Edited by: Eran Mintor on 06/07/2010 11:51:45

Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores

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If you ask me, I prefer the Empire over the State or Republic anyday, but honestly. You really think Mekhios was undeserved? After centuries of torment to the Minmatar people?

Just saying.

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If you ask me, I prefer logic over all that bull**** anyday, but honestly. You really think Seyllin was undeserved? After centuries of acting like pompous *******s, you had it coming, right?

Edit: Just saying....

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Seyllin was a natural disaster, get it right.

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Originally by: Archbishop

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Finally some confirmation of what we've always known. The Star Fraction Pirate Coalition is officially acknowledged as being a fact.

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Originally by: Archbishop

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Finally some confirmation of what we've always known. The Star Fraction Pirate Coalition is officially acknowledged as being a fact.

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You can't have it both ways. Either we're falling apart and losing all our active pilots or we're becoming the secret power behind all thats evil in the universe. You need to decide on a single note for your propaganda ranting really otherwise you just sound like a confused and desperate old man.

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Originally by: Rodj Blake

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On the contrary, as an entity weakens it's not at all unlikely that it would consider its allies more valuable than ever.

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Originally by: Silas Vitalia

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AS for the Fraction; the fact that we both, temporarily, have issues with the same organization in no way indicates any support or agreement with any of your vile lot. We consider our issues with PIE an Amarrian matter. Outsider opinions are not wanted. We beseech your members to embrace the Lord, beg His forgiveness, and be Saved.

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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(after years of watching PIE hide)

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Originally by: The Cosmopolite

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Nothing has been confirmed here except that Archbishop's command of the facts is as shaky as his command of anything other than a cloaking Bestower.

The Amarrian nationalist definition of 'pirate' really doesn't mean anything anymore. Not that it has had a meaning other than 'people we don't like' for many years.

The Cosmopolite

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Originally by: Archbishop

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While some DX4 pilots have spoken publically about it...

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Originally by: Archbishop

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As I said the information I had about the internal strife of the Star Fraction came secondhand. While some DX4 pilots have spoken publically about it and the "trend" matches previous examples of SF breakups again its all secondhand. If Jade and Cosmo wish to state it isn't true and are instead acknowledging that the breakup of SF corps was due to the forming of a pirate coalition (as they now have) that's fine with me.

The Star Fraction has a long and colorful history of aligning with piratical elements. In the past though they've always sought to deny this and claimed they weren't. To now see them step forward and proudly proclaim not only are the pirates but they are also co-founder of this new pirate coalition is refreshing.

While I deplore piracy I must commend the Star Fraction on this occasion for having found the courage to face the truth about themselves. While piracy is of course a great sin being true to yourself and not lying about is commendable. Now we see the anarchists stand to proudly proclaim their status as members of a pirate coalition. Refreshing honesty from an alliance not exactly known for it.

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Originally by: Archbishop

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I think everyone here knows a pirate when they see one. He's the guy who sits at gates ganking everyone who flies by without so much as a word.

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You know... Like The Final Stand... The pirate allies in your Star Fraction Pirate Coalition. As Jade has indicated there was no issue leading to DX4 leaving SF and Tomahawk has confirmed it was to be part of.a pirate coalition that would still have SF flying with its brethern its clear you now place yourselves in that class.

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Originally by: Rodj Blake

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I really don't know why the claim that Star Fraction co-operates with pirates is so controversial.

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Originally by: Archbishop

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I am pleased that the Star Fraction is now going to be honest about being pirate coalition members. I guess now the question is who is the "Pirate Queen"? After all we have the galaxys biggest ego and the galaxays biggest nutcase now in the same pirate coalition.

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Originally by: Archbishop

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I'm sure just like the Stimulus guys who left your group and now speak negatively about you we'll eventually see this from some of the more honest DX4 pilots.

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Originally by: The Cosmopolite

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Originally by: Archbishop

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You know... Like The Final Stand... The pirate allies in your Star Fraction Pirate Coalition. As Jade has indicated there was no issue leading to DX4 leaving SF and Tomahawk has confirmed it was to be part of.a pirate coalition that would still have SF flying with its brethern its clear you now place yourselves in that class.

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Tomahawk confirmed no such thing. You're telling lies about him.

Jade Constantine confirmed no such thing. You're telling lies about her.

The Star Fraction are not pirates and we do not shoot neutrals. You're telling lies about the Star Fraction.

You were caught repeating false rumours without any thought and caught spinning them into lies. You backed yourself into a corner on this one. Your response? To try and lie yourself out of the situation. So much for being a 'spiritual director'. You're nothing but a mountebank who lies by reflex action.

Just stop telling lies. If you can.

The Cosmopolite

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the fact your alliance is falling apart and your most active members are leaving isn't really an effective tactic when you've been completely exposed.

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I think you misunderstand how supporting a coalition works. you think tags matter? people change depending on the job at hand. in fact, how many PIE pilots have gone and worked for other Amarr loyalist groups but remained in the fold and fought along side their brethren?

go on and try to cause some damage to The Star Fraction and you can see first hand how "falling apart" adding another whole alliance has been.

maybe you missed the whole Coalition part? possibly getting your golden butts blasted off by Bane and Mode in Amamake everyday has made you confused.

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Originally by: The Cosmopolite

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It's just more lies from Archbishop.

He lies about there being a 'pirate coalition': there is no such coalition in Providence (well, there's the CVA and its pirate allies but he doesn't call that a 'pirate coalition' such is his hypocrisy).
He lies about what Tomahawk Bliss's words mean: Tomahawk Bliss is not talking about a 'pirate coalition' rather he is talking of the Providence allies which includes the Ushra'Khan and others.
He lies about the Star Fraction: the Star Fraction are not pirates and do not shoot neutrals.

It is just non-stop lies.

There's no point even engaging with it. I see no need to say anymore than that he lies and anyone who reads him critically will see it. He provides all the evidence for his mendacity himself, that's how ridiculous he is. Not only does he lie and lie and lie. He's simply bad at it.

Stop lying, Archbishop, for the sake of everyone who does not wish to view the spectacle of a sad old man who has so lost his dignity that he repeatedly exposes himself and furiously engages in the Sin of Onan while gibbering crazed lies.

The Cosmopolite

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Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss

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talk is cheap

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Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss

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The Final Stand are not pirates. Your paradigm needs are not our problem.

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Originally by: The Cosmopolite

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Meantime, here is truth for those willing to hear it:

The Star Fraction are not pirates.
The Star Fraction do not shoot neutrals.
The Star Fraction advocate and argue for NRDS RoE.
The Star Fraction welcome free transit and free trade with neutrals.
The Star Fraction view piracy as undesirable on economic, ethical and philosophical grounds.
The Star Fraction are not and never will be a party to a 'pirate coalition' anywhere, never mind in free Providence.

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Originally by: Nefher Zhila

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The never-ending dribble and bickering going around star fraction is getting quite tiresome.

Star Fraction is an enemy both to the Kingdom, the Empire and surely the Caldari state as well (I would go as far as to say they are enemies to all forms of governmentàexcept their own).
Given this fact I would say less talk and more fighting is in order, as I donÆt understand what exactly all this communications exchange wants to achieve.
If there is a problem or disagreement that diplomacy cannot solve, well then, thereÆs always war, an extension of diplomacy itself.

Some should make use of that tool more often, and perhaps gain a bit more of leverage before trying to win some sort of logical victory through words.

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Originally by: Rodj Blake

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I think that our overall record in space over the last seven years speaks for itself.

If we choose not to fight you, it's because we have more important fish to fry.

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Originally by: Darveses

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The determinism and passion of those whose primary occupation seems to be to uncover every embarrassing little dust particle under the Fraction's carpets never ceases to amaze me

Also, TFS is blue to the Star Fraction. Thats all "Star Fraction Pirate Coalition" there is and hardly damning new evidence - makes you look desperate my dearest Archie.

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The reason these threads and arguments are endless is that PIE leadership have long ordered their pilots to consider the Star Fraction "irrelevant" to action in space, while "super-relevant" to IGS propaganda. PIE recognize that they cannot match the Fraction in any kind of war or military contest and hope instead to cover their weakness with sporadic deceitful posting of the kind we have seen from the cloaking-bestower piloting Archbishop in this thread.

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Originally by: Archbishop

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1. We consider you irrelevant because you are.
2. Efforts on galnet to expose your hypocritical activities are simply a public service.

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Originally by: Archbishop

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1. We consider you irrelevant because you are.
2. Efforts on galnet to expose your hypocritical activities are simply a public service.

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Nice to see PIE inc admitting its full descent into meaningless irrelevance in space capable only of producing nonsense propaganda on galnet.

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Originally by: Icarus3

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You see Bishop... we are not a "hive mind" such as PIE Inc. or you false religion... we have individual rights and freedoms DESPITE the best efforts of the Amarr.

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Originally by: Merdaneth

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Originally by: Icarus3

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You see Bishop... we are not a "hive mind" such as PIE Inc. or you false religion... we have individual rights and freedoms DESPITE the best efforts of the Amarr.

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I guess that is why you are demanding of Dame Death to choose a side and stick to it?

It is painfully apparent that you are merely a loudmouth of yells terms like 'individual rights' and 'freedoms' without actually understanding what they mean. You only want these things for yourself, and others should do what you think is right for them. You are wholly self-centered, unempathic and care for nothing but yourself.

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Originally by: Icarus3

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You see Bishop... we are not a "hive mind" such as PIE Inc. or you false religion... we have individual rights and freedoms DESPITE the best efforts of the Amarr.

One does not speak for all. I urge you to remember that fact.

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Originally by: The Cosmopolite

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Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 09/07/2010 12:49:10

Another pack of lies and questions based on false premises from Archbishop.

Here is the truth, once more:

The Star Fraction are not pirates.
The Star Fraction do not shoot neutrals.
The Star Fraction advocate and argue for NRDS RoE.
The Star Fraction welcome free transit and free trade with neutrals.
The Star Fraction view piracy as undesirable on economic, ethical and philosophical grounds.
The Star Fraction are not and never will be a party to a 'pirate coalition' anywhere, never mind in free Providence.

The Cosmopolite

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Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow

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[...]SF has stated they will sit by and watch Sansha supporters fire on those defending against slave raids simply because your 'leader' sleeps with someone who supports Sansha.

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Originally by: DJ Obsidian

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If this was really true, then why did the Star Fraction put forth every effort to stop the Sisters of EvE a few years ago on their missions of mercy? You know the one where they had found a viral agent that was infecting people and they were dedicating their resources to find a cure?

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Originally by: The Cosmopolite

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Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow

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[...]SF has stated they will sit by and watch Sansha supporters fire on those defending against slave raids simply because your 'leader' sleeps with someone who supports Sansha.

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A false claim. You're telling lies again, Starsparrow.

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Originally by: Revan Neferis

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In advance, before the silly question appears, no, The Star Fraction won't be targeted because I don't target my lover's alliance.

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Originally by: The Cosmopolite

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Our standings and war declarations in this matter concern organisations that as a whole are actively supporting the purposes of Sansha's Nation...If and when particular independent corporations or alliances actually take a policy position we will consider the issues that arise.

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Originally by: The Cosmopolite

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I repeat that we set standings on an organisational basis and for reasons pertaining to the policies and actions of organisations and those acting in their name. Revan Neferis will not be shot at by Star Fraction pilots for the simple plain reason that the alliance of which she is a member is not hostile to the Star Fraction.

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Originally by: The Cosmopolite

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Now, no policy has changed...In this instance, we are quite clear that the Final Stand has not committed to any policy or taken any action that requires any diplomacy or would be likely to lead to a change in posture. We are also satisfied that no individual has taken any action in the name of the Final Stand that requires any such discussion or change.

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Originally by: Revan Neferis

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The Covenant and the Sansha Nation have shared positive standings since times immemorial. Hereby I confirm that I'll commence operations to facilitate the incursions of my allied forces in Amarr Empire Space.

I'm giving 24 hours warning to Corporations who have interfered with Sansha incursions inside the Empire, to withdraw their support and interference.

When 24 hours from this announcement has expired, I'll start to issue formal concord war declarations against corporations and / or alliances of my choice, organizations who will be faced with specialized military forces and become unable to operate against Kuvakei's affairs.

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Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow

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Originally by: The Cosmopolite

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Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow

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[...]SF has stated they will sit by and watch Sansha supporters fire on those defending against slave raids simply because your 'leader' sleeps with someone who supports Sansha.

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A false claim. You're telling lies again, Starsparrow.

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Why do you continue to call me a liar for simply stating what yu yourselves say publicly for all to see? It's pathological if not downright psychotic.

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Originally by: The Cosmopolite

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A false claim. You're telling lies again, Starsparrow.
We have said no such thing and we act in no such way. I repeat, the claim is false and you are telling lies. You've even conjured up a new lie or two to sprinkle in between your ridiculous collage of chopped up quotes.

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Originally by: The Cosmopolite

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As to membership of the Star Fraction and supporting Sansha's Nation incursions, attacks and slave-taking, it is as incompatible as support for the Amarr Empire. Which is to say it is completely incompatible. You just want to smear us with this brush of 'Sansha-supporting' tar because you know the current hysteria designates that as a crime akin to baby-eating on an industrial scale. You do so on the basis of our refusal to breach a diplomatic agreement with an ally that does not support the Sansha's Nation incursions.

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Originally by: Master Kuvakei

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Originally by: Revan Neferis

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Question: Do you confirm positive relations with the Covenant?

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

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But of course. Paint the stars with Crimson, my dear.

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Originally by: Revan Neferis

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Originally by: Victoria Stecker

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Don't you feel the least bit hypocritical sleeping with a woman who has pledged her alliance, if not allegiance, to Sansha's Nation?

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My private life is my private life. So please tuck that question where the sun doesn't shine.

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* Revan reads the IGS comms, a heartfelt smile on her face. *

That's my love!

And to the ignorant subhuman who issued her silly question, The Covenant and the Nation share positive standings towards each other.
This is no news since the beginning of times, in case you have missed the clock of the universe ticking.

* Looking down, caressing her lover's hair who is resting peacefully, head on her lap whispering "where the sun doesn't shine hum? * shaking her head amused and turning off the comms *

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

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Originally by: Revan Neferis

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The Covenant and the Nation share positive standings towards each other.
This is no news since the beginning of times, in case you have missed the clock of the universe ticking.

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Originally by: The Cosmopolite

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The Star Fraction carries out its political, military, economic and social actions without reference to the personal relationships between individuals.

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Originally by: Sinti Vailatti

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And she said this with JadeÆs dizzy head in her lap.

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Originally by: The Cosmopolite

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As to membership of the Star Fraction and supporting Sansha's Nation incursions, attacks and slave-taking, it is as incompatible as support for the Amarr Empire. Which is to say it is completely incompatibleàYou do so on the basis of our refusal to breach a diplomatic agreement with an ally that does not support the Sansha's Nation incursions.

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Originally by: Revan Neferis

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The Covenant and the Nation share positive standings towards each other.
This is no news since the beginning of times, in case you have missed the clock of the universe ticking.

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Originally by: Revan Neferis

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* Looking down, caressing her lover's hair who is resting peacefully, head on her lap whispering "where the sun doesn't shine hum? * shaking her head amused and turning off the comms *

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Originally by: Sinti Vailatti

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Maybe IÆm just a slave and a ôrace traitorö

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Originally by: Sinti Vailatti

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my Master didnÆt raise me to be ignorant

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Originally by: Sinti Vailatti

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how this doesnÆt constitute a massive conflict of interest?

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You canÆt say that you are against slavery and yet maintain an alliance with someone who supports slavery.

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Originally by: Fridarey

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What you being a slave condemning Sansha's Nation slavery that only exists because the same people you serve (your master's people) enslaved a few hundred million matari and sold them to Sansha to experiment on new methods of slave holding. That kind of conflict of interest?

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Originally by: Darveses

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I can't believe people are still hung up over what must obviously be the single most important and interesting relationship of New Eden..

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Originally by: Revan Neferis

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Originally by: Darveses

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I can't believe people are still hung up over what must obviously be the single most important and interesting relationship of New Eden..

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Add to that "for 5 years now"

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Originally by: Darveses

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Originally by: Revan Neferis

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Originally by: Darveses

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I can't believe people are still hung up over what must obviously be the single most important and interesting relationship of New Eden..

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Add to that "for 5 years now"

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I would have, but I wasn't sure wether it was five or six years

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Originally by: Sinti Vailatti

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It's about Star Fraction claiming to be an "anti-slavery" alliance who is in bed figuritvly and literally with people theyÆre supposed to be fighting against. ItÆs about Star Fraction decrying the actions of SanshaÆs Nation while they keep close ties with Sansha supporters. They mucked up a peaceful ceremony with the claim that they were making a stand against slavery but they allow their people to fraternize with the enemy.

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Originally by: Sinti Vailatti

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It kind of makes me wonder if UÆK is guilty of the same level of complicity. They want to ôfree my peopleö but if they have to work with the likes of Star Fraction or Final Stand to do soàarenÆt they just supporting a different brand of slavery? Given Star FractionÆs actions at the memorial and their alliance with Final Stand can UÆK really trust them?

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Originally by: Sinti Vailatti

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The purpose of this facet of the debate isnÆt just another excuse to slam Star Fraction.

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Originally by: Sinti Vailatti

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Even if she never hands the Nation a slave herself, by not doing everything she can to end RevanÆs support of the Nation

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Originally by: CAPTAIN HELLIAN

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Originally by: Sinti Vailatti

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Even if she never hands the Nation a slave herself, by not doing everything she can to end RevanÆs support of the Nation

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HAHAHAHAH
If you think that Jade has power to convince Revan of anything that isn't of Revans own interest, you should ask around before writing. Anyone who's a bit familiar with the couple knows how things works there.

But you're all a bunch of hypocrites. If you're truly concerned about Revan using her immense influence and fortune aid the sansha, you'd be trying to convince her to change sides, doing the job yourselves in a more convincing way and not wasting your time on pseudo-bashing Star Fraction frenzy threads.

2 cents

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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris

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Originally by: The Cosmopolite

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The Star Fraction carries out its political, military, economic and social actions without reference to the personal relationships between individuals.

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Out of curiosity, do you understand the definition of the term "conflict of interest"?

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Originally by: The Cosmopolite

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I also understand the difference between political interests and personal interests and I do not accept that the one is necessarily affected or influenced by the latter.

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Originally by: The Cosmopolite

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block the promotion of a Federation Navy officer because his wife happens to be Deteis or Civire or Achura

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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris

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Originally by: The Cosmopolite

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block the promotion of a Federation Navy officer because his wife happens to be Deteis or Civire or Achura

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Does not follow. There are tens of millions of Deteis, Civire and Achur citizens in the Federation whose loyalty to our nation is not in question - membership in an ethnicity does not imply anything about one's beliefs - as you, an Amarrian anarchist, should know. Your statement thusly carries some rather unpleasant undertones of racial profiling.

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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris

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Originally by: The Cosmopolite

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I also understand the difference between political interests and personal interests and I do not accept that the one is necessarily affected or influenced by the latter.

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Then you clearly don't understand the concept of a conflict of interest! They exist wherever two sets of mutually conflicting goals are held by a single individual or organisation, regardless of the source of the motivation. There is absolutely no reason that a conflict of interest cannot exist between a personal interest and a political interest.

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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris on a possible conflict

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I have nothing to hide in this regard, however, so I have nothing to fear, and so I have no need to turn aside questioning. I am confident that the same situation exists with your leadership.

Surely, you are as well?

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Originally by: The Cosmopolite

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On the last point, you speak as if I have said otherwise. You're very fond of telling people to read what you say more carefully but you don't actually practise what you preach in that regard. I said I do not accept that there is necessarily a conflict of interest when there are two people of different views involved in a personal relationship. On the point of whether such a conflict must exist, you do appear to take a more absolutist view that there is always such a conflict or, perhaps better to say, you seem to be one of these people who thinks that people are guilty of a conflict of interests until they can prove otherwise. Very liberal of you and once again I repeat that such an attitude puts you in company with some very unpleasant people.

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Originally by: The Cosmopolite

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Now, on the subject of conflicts of interest that may be present in this case, I think you are, like others, confusing the relevant spheres of interest. Most people are doing this entirely deliberately in order to embroil the Star Fraction and the Final Stand in allegations that we are 'Sansha-supporting' organizations. You will have to speak to that yourself and I am not yet going to accuse you of that.

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Originally by: The Cosmopolite

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The problem here arises, in my view, from an inability (either willful, pathological or simply through stupidity)

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Originally by: The Cosmopolite

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to separate individuals from their respective organizations and to distinguish between what individuals do and what organizations do.

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Originally by: The Cosmopolite

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Is there a conflict of interest at all here? Yes, possibly so. Just not one for the Star Fraction to deal with. That is the key point.

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Originally by: The Cosmopolite

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Clearly I am. It isn't as if this line of questioning hasn't been addressed, over and over again.

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[Conflicts of interest] exist wherever two sets of mutually conflicting goals are held by a single individual or organisation, regardless of the source of the motivation.

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Originally by: The Cosmopolite

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The answer is of course, yes, and I take the view that this is an absolutist position. It's open to you to demonstrate quite why this very clear statement, which has no qualification or limit clause to it, is not an absolute statement that a conflict of interests exists in the circumstances you describe. You even go so far as to say it exists regardlesss of the source of any motivations involved. This, to me, is absolutist. It says a potential conflict in fact is a conflict. If your words mean something else, please do enlighten us.

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Originally by: The Cosmopolite

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We only act on political or otherwise relevant conflicts with organizations or individuals clearly acting on behalf of defined capsuleer organizations.

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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris

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when it suits them.

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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris

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I think if I say "conflict of interest" many more times I'm going to take myself up on that idea of vodka-catalysed drowning.

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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris

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Originally by: ChipMo

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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris

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I think if I say "conflict of interest" many more times I'm going to take myself up on that idea of vodka-catalysed drowning.

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Most sensible thing you've said all night.

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Originally by: ChipMo

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Most sensible thing you've said all night.

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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris

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Whenever a person holds two sets of interests that clearly mutually oppose, this is a conflict of interest. Is this an absolutist position? Perhaps. It is, however, a logical one - heck, it's tautological! A person who holds conflicting interests is experiencing a conflict of interest.

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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris

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Originally by: The Cosmopolite

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We only act on political or otherwise relevant conflicts with organizations or individuals clearly acting on behalf of defined capsuleer organizations.

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Eran Mintor's views do not neccessarily - or, actually, in point of fact - represent the views of Annwn Matari as a whole, yet they have been painted as Ammatar and Amarr sympathisers, race traitors, blood traitors, etc. by Star Fraction mostly upon the weight of views he specifically states to be his own, and on Cheiftan's prior dealings with the Caldari. This seems to me very much like Star Fraction interfering with personal matters.

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Originally by: The Cosmopolite

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I think the problem really is that your position is indeed fairly tautological when we get down to it. You seem to me to view potential conflicts of interest as in fact actual and realised conflicts of interest. As a result, your accusation of a conflict of interest is circular. You assert a conflict on the basis of appearance and possibility, from which you proceed to say that because of the conflict that you say is a fact you are entitled to cast aspersions on people. Just as you have done when you say that the Star Fraction is not as commited to opposing the Sansha's Nation incursions as others.

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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris

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I really just can't be bothered to argue a point that most sane capsuleers already agree with.

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Originally by: Fridarey

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I pity the poor deluded mooncalves that you consider sane. And if your conduct is as routinely dishonest as this quote indicates then little more needs to be said. All you have achieved here is demonstrating that race-traitors and Amarrian nationalist collaborators are quite innept at propaganda.

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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris

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I hope you are aware, in the grand scheme of things, how little public regard or credibility Star Fraction actually has. It seems to be a fact that Star Fraction has never fully grasped. Pointing this out may be deeply uncouth and impolite but there's nothing dishonest about it.

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Originally by: Fridarey

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You speak for nobody. If we cared for the opinions of worms and snakes we'd call ourselves Oligochaetology Fraction. That we don't suggests how little we credit your influence or status in New Eden.

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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris

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A conflict of interest exists, and has been actualised. Revan Neferis has threatened violence against those who attempt to halt Nation activities.

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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris

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Star Fraction has, to the best of my knowledge, done nothing to halt this behaviour, whether by diplomacy or military action.

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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris

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It is clear to most others - and should be clear to Star Fraction that a person with the intent and means to hire mercenaries (however ineffectual they have proven to be in the past ) is far more dangerous than the plethora of five or six man corporations that mill around trumpeting their devotion to Sansha's Nation and not actually doing anything particularly useful (that would be pretty much every Sansha loyalist corporation involved in the current conflict).

Yet who, indeed, has Star Fraction chosen to target? Oh, wait, that's right - you didn't even go after the mouthpiece corporations! You were busy helping the Sansha assassinate members of CONCORD!

As for the rest of your post, I'm going to take a leaf from Star Fraction's book and simply say that the accusations you make are so misinformed and beneath notice as to not be worth answering. This may or may not be true, but the fact is I really just can't be bothered to argue a point that most sane capsuleers already agree with.

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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris

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I hope you are aware, in the grand scheme of things, how little public regard or credibility Star Fraction actually has. It seems to be a fact that Star Fraction has never fully grasped. Pointing this out may (or equally, may not) be deeply uncouth and impolite but there's nothing dishonest about it.

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Originally by: ChipMo

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Why would we? We do not exist as an organization to tell people what they can and cannot do.

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Originally by: ChipMo

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if you have a problem with a non-Star Fraction pilot, such as Revan then you need to resolve it with them.

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Originally by: ChipMo

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We have many potential targets and hostile entities to prioritize, CONCORD is among them. It is not our primary concern at the moment though. We have killed far, far more Sansha puppets than we have CONCORD employees.

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Originally by: ChipMo

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Revan has nothing to do with it.

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Originally by: Revan Neferis

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Don't worry Chipmo, it's just another Andreus obsessed with me like his previous identity here. Nobody really takes him seriously since back than, and he continues to be the idiot he always has been.
Sit and enjoy the show while he licks my heels over the past years. It's quite entertaining specially when derails threads like this not saying that it isn't really anything new how I love to cause such reactions in such weaker minds like his own.


Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

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Originally by: Revan Neferis

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Revan Neferis
Thrice-Benighted Puppet Queen
Sani Sabik

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Originally by: CAPTAIN HELLIAN

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Maybe this guy has a fetish to be humiliated by you Revan. Everybody sees this but him. It's so beyond weird.
You have some creepy stalkers.

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Originally by: Revan Neferis

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I'll toy with him whenever I see he's at the edge of an emotional break down, that's all. It's when it starts to be fun for me.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

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Originally by: CAPTAIN HELLIAN

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Like now look at his last post, I think he's crying at his comms!

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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris

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The fact is, you tried to silence me once with Outlaw Jenner, once with Trinity Nova and then once again with the, ahem, Uranus Assault Team. None of it worked.

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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris

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Oh, right, so the public demand for I-RED to renounce slavery, enforced by the outright military desecration of a memorial service and the assassination under flag of truce of their leader was really just a polite suggestion, then?

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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris

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No you haven't! You've actually sustained more losses to "Sansha puppets" than those you've killed, your own killboards attest to this and the two most costly kills of the entire conflict were Star Fraction pilots directly assisting Sansha pilots in the destruction of CONCORD battleships lawfully patrolling Republic and State space by consent of their respective leaderships, trying to co-ordinate attempts to repel Sansha incursions.

This makes you not only directly and wilfully complicit in Sansha atrocities, but also terrorists.

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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris

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The fact is, you tried to silence me once with Outlaw Jenner ...

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Originally by: Revan Neferis

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stalker's tears are the best dear, fits any drink with a delicious touch.

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Originally by: Vlad Cetes

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Blood is superior to tears.

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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris

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Originally by: ChipMo

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Why would we? We do not exist as an organization to tell people what they can and cannot do.

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Oh, right, so the public demand for I-RED to renounce slavery, enforced by the outright military desecration of a memorial service and the assassination under flag of truce of their leader was really just a polite suggestion, then?

Originally by: ChipMo

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if you have a problem with a non-Star Fraction pilot, such as Revan then you need to resolve it with them.

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Already did. She's still bitter about it.

Originally by: ChipMo

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We have many potential targets and hostile entities to prioritize, CONCORD is among them. It is not our primary concern at the moment though. We have killed far, far more Sansha puppets than we have CONCORD employees.

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No you haven't! You've actually sustained more losses to "Sansha puppets" than those you've killed, your own killboards attest to this and the two most costly kills of the entire conflict were Star Fraction pilots directly assisting Sansha pilots in the destruction of CONCORD battleships lawfully patrolling Republic and State space by consent of their respective leaderships, trying to co-ordinate attempts to repel Sansha incursions.

This makes you not only directly and wilfully complicit in Sansha atrocities, but also terrorists.

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Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow

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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris

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[...] You've actually sustained more losses to "Sansha puppets" than those you've killed, your own killboards attest to this and the two most costly kills of the entire conflict were Star Fraction pilots directly assisting Sansha pilots in the destruction of CONCORD battleships lawfully patrolling Republic and State space by consent of their respective leaderships, trying to co-ordinate attempts to repel Sansha incursions.

This makes you not only directly and wilfully complicit in Sansha atrocities, but also terrorists.

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Mr.Ixiris, I would ask you for evidence of your claims, but judging from the pattern [...] chances are reasonably high that you are telling the truth. While I will still retain judgement on how much Star Fraction may be helping Sansha loyalists, Star Fractions' remaining blue to them in wake of their public declaration to fire on those defending from Sansha attacks made pretty clear they aren't to be trusted on this issue anyway.

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Hiring Outlaw Jenner against anybody is the new eden version of beating up a mugger with a stuffed trout. Its supposed to be humiliating by the ridiculous implement used to deliver the beating.

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Originally by: Outlaw Jenner

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Edited by: Outlaw Jenner on 23/07/2010 19:35:21

Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Hiring Outlaw Jenner against anybody is the new eden version of beating up a mugger with a stuffed trout. Its supposed to be humiliating by the ridiculous implement used to deliver the beating.

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At least in that beating my trout got to renew the stench of rotten fish, thanks Jadder

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Originally by: Outlaw Jenner

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As far as Andreus... I dont recall ever having to deal with you directly, only recollection I have of you is some audio logs of you crying on comms to an alliance director about my "uncouth" behavior.

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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris

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Really couldn't resist digging up a three-week-old thread to take another dig at me, eh, Jade?

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