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Gallente Interstellar Tritanium United Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.12 02:40:00 -
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Well I for one highly support this fix. I wish more would be done to make lowsec more attractive to the general public. Just greater rewards for braving lowsec.
For the record, I am not a pirate nor even a dedicated pvper really. I spend most of my time in lowsec flying probing ships, transports, hulks and orcas.
Please do more to reward non-pvpers who who dare to brave the edges of empire. Escoce Low Sec Miner and Trader Interstellar Tritanium United Trade Syndicate |
Fairy Commando
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Posted - 2010.06.12 02:42:00 -
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Originally by: Fairy Commando Edited by: Fairy Commando on 12/06/2010 02:33:28 Edited by: Fairy Commando on 12/06/2010 02:30:00 Mission Runners dont..too hard to make isk unless you grind for hours and hours, way easier to make isk in good 0.0 as it should be, but enough is enough.
Not everyone are farmers or play the game your way.
Personally I only run missions for faction ammo and implants for myself but this is not gonna get more ppl out of high-sec.
The gap is big enough.
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5kyscreamx
Mad Bombers HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.06.12 02:43:00 -
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Edited by: 5kyscreamx on 12/06/2010 02:43:20
Originally by: Tarasina
Originally by: adriaans Edited by: adriaans on 12/06/2010 02:05:20 Whiners: Another thing, YOU doing lvl 5's in high sec does NOT increase people in low-sec, in fact it LOWERS it.
Yes this change will have a negligible effect on low-sec population, but finally we low-sec citizens are no longer sent to high sec and get the reward for fighting over these areas. If you do not want to do so then clearly you should not have the rewards.
Originally by: Quagnar No one uses a Tengu in low sec or 00, thier too expensive, its an empire ship with no use now.
rofl
I got several T3's in low-sec with more coming when i get the iskies
Why a pirate that is hated by empire gets missions from the empire factions baffles me. The hardest and the ones that requires most trust(standings) at that too. To be logical, remove lvl5s from non-carebears (from lowsec).
hahahah intergalactic summit is way =====
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Tarasina
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Posted - 2010.06.12 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: JinMeiJim
Originally by: Moja Aniolem Ohhh plzzz. FFS stop advertising your game as Sandbox at this point CCP. It's a little more like a funnel you're forcing us down with your own idea of what the game should be. You invented the game so by all means do that, just stop with the ridiculous video ad's promoting it as something it's not.
PI is just another example of FUNNEL FAIL on your part.
If you want to add more PVP to this game, the answer is quite simple. Fix the f-brkn clone system which is the psychological reason a lot of people don't bother with PVP. Nobody wants their precious training time screwed around by a) losing expensive learning implants b) waiting 24! hours to switch your clone.
While you're at it, why not create some sort of arena where people can do PVP when they FEEL like it, not as a result of some 5-hour snorefest that results in some ridiculous blobfest in which the last 14 days of your game time is gone in 30 seconds.
I know some of your pets and some of the other morons in this thread supporting you would like to point to the 'realistic' style of the game we are supposedly playing. I imagine none of those people have ever taken a physics class, or used a Hurricane to shunt a Hulk out of a mining field.
In short stop drinking and whoring so much up there in Iceland and hire a few more devs... you sure have enough of our money at this point. Get over yourselves. You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake. You are not the 'rock gods' of MMO's.
PS - Thanks for fixing the ****ty Scorpion model. Can we now assume that at your current rate we'll have all new ship models to replace existing in about 2014?
PPS - Crew? or less windows? PPPS - Storyline that doesn't appear to be written by a drunk icelandic barbarian who has english as a second language.?
That was a quality post!
THIS^^ Especially the clone and implants thing. Who wants to loose real time? Can I have a show of hands? Remove loosing implants but send said player to medical bay (station). Give the attackers 25 mil per pod kill or something to make it useful in a way.
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Acid Queen
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Posted - 2010.06.12 02:48:00 -
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WeÆll I wonÆt bother repeating all the good arguments that have already been posted for leaving some lvl 5 missions in high sec. I just started doing a few lvl 5 missions a couple months ago after I heard that the agents would give out some missions in high sec. I had avoided them before because I was under the impression they were all in low sec and they required a large fleet to complete them. A few friends and I decided to give it a shot with a good logistics ship in tow. It was a lot of fun with a challenge comparable to doing lvl 4s prior to being able to equip t2 mods. It gave me a very much needed revival of interest in the game by providing a new challenge for a tenured high sec player.
I was under the impression EVEÆs goal was to provide a diverse environment for all playing styles. The low and null sec areas are for the people that prefer the challenge of competing and trying to outwit other characters. High sec is for those who prefer to take on the challenge of competing against the programs in a relatively safe environment from unpredictable hazards. Understandably, taking on the greater challenge of playing in the unsecured low sec areas should provide greater reward for the additional risk.
I prefer a more predictable environment that I can relax and socialize with friends, rather than constant attention low sec play requires. In short I have two accounts with multiple characters doing industrial and a skilled PVE character. I can make more isk than I can spend. So for me I am no longer challenged in the game. PI is new and providing some new entertainment but within a few weeks I will have my operations set to my liking and it will just turn into a maintenance task. My friends and I were working on skills and leveling up to use more lvl 5 agents to have something new and interesting to do.
I have friends that are full time PVPÆers. I know from talking to them I will not be able to configure a hybrid ship that is effective in mission battle and will be able to take on PVPÆers who scan me out. So I like many others have said will not be going to low sec to do lvl 5 missions.
I am not one to identify a problem without offering some ideas for resolution. I think there are two possible resolutions. The first would be to return the lvl 5 missions to the state prior to the fix. However, add the security rating into the formula for determining the value of the bounties, loot, salvage, rewards, bonuses, and LP. Leave the current value where it is for the missions that are in high sec. As several have said already they are about a break even in value as the lvl 4s considering the extra time it takes. Increase the value by 10% for each tenth of a point reduction in security status (.4 systems = 110%, .3 120%, .2 = 130%, .1 = 140%, 0.0 = 150%). The other alternative would be to create lvl 6 missions that are only low sec and designed for large fleets. I think this was the intentions of the lvl 5Æs originally but people figured out how to equip ships so it only takes a few skilled characters to complete them.
I think this will keep EVE true to itÆs goal of providing an entertaining environment for all levels and styles of game play. It provides a challenge for us self proclaimed tenured carebears who like the high sec environment. It rewards the hardcore adrenaline seeking low sec players for their added risk. Fly safe everyone!
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Fairy Commando
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Posted - 2010.06.12 02:49:00 -
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please dont make eve less hardcore :).. no need to nerf empire.. empire is fine, 0.0 is fine, low-sec is crap.
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Quagnar
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Posted - 2010.06.12 02:49:00 -
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To all the 00 cry babies outlaws out there, I think we should be able to destroy your ship and pod your butt when you come to high sec with a low standing without concord intervention. If that were to happen, you 00 players would be the carebears. I dont think that anyone with a low standing should be able to dock in a high sec station. If you have a low standing then you should be stuck in low sec. As said before, "thats the price of being naughty" empire players do comprise the bulk of thier customer base. far more players in high sec than low sec. i am considering finding another space based game to play. i am also loosing interest very quickly since the last update, its not a fix.
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5kyscreamx
Mad Bombers HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.06.12 02:54:00 -
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Edited by: 5kyscreamx on 12/06/2010 02:55:18
Originally by: Tarasina
Originally by: JinMeiJim
Originally by: Moja Aniolem Ohhh plzzz. FFS stop advertising your game as Sandbox at this point CCP. It's a little more like a funnel you're forcing us down with your own idea of what the game should be. You invented the game so by all means do that, just stop with the ridiculous video ad's promoting it as something it's not.
PI is just another example of FUNNEL FAIL on your part.
If you want to add more PVP to this game, the answer is quite simple. Fix the f-brkn clone system which is the psychological reason a lot of people don't bother with PVP. Nobody wants their precious training time screwed around by a) losing expensive learning implants b) waiting 24! hours to switch your clone.
While you're at it, why not create some sort of arena where people can do PVP when they FEEL like it, not as a result of some 5-hour snorefest that results in some ridiculous blobfest in which the last 14 days of your game time is gone in 30 seconds.
I know some of your pets and some of the other morons in this thread supporting you would like to point to the 'realistic' style of the game we are supposedly playing. I imagine none of those people have ever taken a physics class, or used a Hurricane to shunt a Hulk out of a mining field.
In short stop drinking and whoring so much up there in Iceland and hire a few more devs... you sure have enough of our money at this point. Get over yourselves. You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake. You are not the 'rock gods' of MMO's.
PS - Thanks for fixing the ****ty Scorpion model. Can we now assume that at your current rate we'll have all new ship models to replace existing in about 2014?
PPS - Crew? or less windows? PPPS - Storyline that doesn't appear to be written by a drunk icelandic barbarian who has english as a second language.?
That was a quality post!
THIS^^ Especially the clone and implants thing. Who wants to loose real time? Can I have a show of hands? Remove loosing implants but send said player to medical bay (station). Give the attackers 25 mil per pod kill or something to make it useful in a way.
its a terrible post by an obvious terrible player. all this whining is ABSOLUTELY hilarious.
your funneling yourself into that viewpoint that eve is a snorefest. After a great fight my corpies and i agree that eve is the best game and no other game could even come close to the adrenaline involved with small gang eve pvp.
eve is THE premier sandbox game you just have to take the initiative to do something with it. there is honestly no reason to be podded unless you are caught in a bubble so stop whining about that.
on the topic of ARENA pvp, LOL, REDDD VSSS BLUEEEEE! I for one would not play this game if i couldn't find fights with odds staked against me it would be boring that way.
'In short stop drinking and whoring so much up there in Iceland and hire a few more devs... you sure have enough of our money at this point. Get over yourselves. You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake. You are not the 'rock gods' of MMO's.'
after hearing that i would unsub right now and wait for the new star wars that is going to be an 'AW350M3' game. hahahahahahah this thread definetely delivers.
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Fairy Commando
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Posted - 2010.06.12 02:55:00 -
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Edited by: Fairy Commando on 12/06/2010 02:57:04 Nothing beats Eve.. im concidering pausing my mission runner account and just buy my faction ammo and implants on market :).
Agree @ lolArena in eve.. go to test server n00b hehe.
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Gallente Interstellar Tritanium United Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.12 02:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tarasina
Originally by: JinMeiJim
Originally by: Moja Aniolem Ohhh plzzz. FFS stop advertising your game as Sandbox at this point CCP. It's a little more like a funnel you're forcing us down with your own idea of what the game should be. You invented the game so by all means do that, just stop with the ridiculous video ad's promoting it as something it's not.
PI is just another example of FUNNEL FAIL on your part.
If you want to add more PVP to this game, the answer is quite simple. Fix the f-brkn clone system which is the psychological reason a lot of people don't bother with PVP. Nobody wants their precious training time screwed around by a) losing expensive learning implants b) waiting 24! hours to switch your clone.
While you're at it, why not create some sort of arena where people can do PVP when they FEEL like it, not as a result of some 5-hour snorefest that results in some ridiculous blobfest in which the last 14 days of your game time is gone in 30 seconds.
I know some of your pets and some of the other morons in this thread supporting you would like to point to the 'realistic' style of the game we are supposedly playing. I imagine none of those people have ever taken a physics class, or used a Hurricane to shunt a Hulk out of a mining field.
In short stop drinking and whoring so much up there in Iceland and hire a few more devs... you sure have enough of our money at this point. Get over yourselves. You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake. You are not the 'rock gods' of MMO's.
PS - Thanks for fixing the ****ty Scorpion model. Can we now assume that at your current rate we'll have all new ship models to replace existing in about 2014?
PPS - Crew? or less windows? PPPS - Storyline that doesn't appear to be written by a drunk icelandic barbarian who has english as a second language.?
That was a quality post!
THIS^^ Especially the clone and implants thing. Who wants to loose real time? Can I have a show of hands? Remove loosing implants but send said player to medical bay (station). Give the attackers 25 mil per pod kill or something to make it useful in a way.
oh please, if you don't want to loose money on implants, stop buying. How rediculous! Escoce Low Sec Miner and Trader Interstellar Tritanium United Trade Syndicate |
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Iona Plasticoque
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Posted - 2010.06.12 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: Quagnar To all the 00 cry babies outlaws out there, I think we should be able to destroy your ship and pod your butt when you come to high sec with a low standing without concord intervention. If that were to happen, you 00 players would be the carebears. I dont think that anyone with a low standing should be able to dock in a high sec station. If you have a low standing then you should be stuck in low sec. As said before, "thats the price of being naughty" empire players do comprise the bulk of thier customer base. far more players in high sec than low sec. i am considering finding another space based game to play. i am also loosing interest very quickly since the last update, its not a fix.
You do realise that 0.0 is run/owned by player (and some NPC pirate) corps? who's laws would they have broken to warrant aggression by you? (a fight you may lose). If you are talking about low-sec pirates then that option already exists
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5kyscreamx
Mad Bombers HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.06.12 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: Quagnar To all the 00 cry babies outlaws out there, I think we should be able to destroy your ship and pod your butt when you come to high sec with a low standing without concord intervention. If that were to happen, you 00 players would be the carebears. I dont think that anyone with a low standing should be able to dock in a high sec station. If you have a low standing then you should be stuck in low sec. As said before, "thats the price of being naughty" empire players do comprise the bulk of thier customer base. far more players in high sec than low sec. i am considering finding another space based game to play. i am also loosing interest very quickly since the last update, its not a fix.
the door is that way, please tell your RL friends to come and play before you quit though, they might not be so bad at posting as you. =====
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vlanarus
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Posted - 2010.06.12 03:10:00 -
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Then tell me why when I see a player with a neg 10 standing in high sec, I can't shoot him, much less target him or pod him. I've tried before and you can't. that option does not exist. Players do not own 0.0 or any part of eve, unless 14.95 a month can by a share in the company. euro trash, stop posting....
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.12 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: 5kyscreamx
your funneling yourself into that viewpoint that eve is a snorefest. After a great fight my corpies and i agree that eve is the best game and no other game could even come close to the adrenaline involved with small gang eve pvp.
So you play the game for the "adrenaline involved" and think you found the only legitimate reason to play the game ?
Adrenaline is a hormone and neurotransmitter. When produced in the body it increases heart rate, contracts blood vessels, dilates air passages and participates in the fight-or-flight response of the sympathetic nervous system. When playing a video game where the pixels don't really threaten your body, a body reaction like in a fight-or-flight situation is totally inappropriate. Means your brain reacts in an unreasonable way. This brain malfunction is the main purpose to play the game for you and you are laughing at people who found other reasons to play the game ? It's time to visit your doctor mate.
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Iona Plasticoque
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Posted - 2010.06.12 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: vlanarus I've tried before and you can't.
I can... you can't
Originally by: vlanarus Players do not own 0.0 or any part of eve
Head out there and find out
Originally by: vlanarus euro trash, stop posting....
I don't consider myself "Euro", I'm certainly not "trash" and will happily continue to post whilst I have something to say - grow up!
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5kyscreamx
Mad Bombers HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.06.12 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Originally by: 5kyscreamx
your funneling yourself into that viewpoint that eve is a snorefest. After a great fight my corpies and i agree that eve is the best game and no other game could even come close to the adrenaline involved with small gang eve pvp.
So you play the game for the "adrenaline involved" and think you found the only legitimate reason to play the game ?
Adrenaline is a hormone and neurotransmitter. When produced in the body it increases heart rate, contracts blood vessels, dilates air passages and participates in the fight-or-flight response of the sympathetic nervous system. When playing a video game where the pixels don't really threaten your body, a body reaction like in a fight-or-flight situation is totally inappropriate. Means your brain reacts in an unreasonable way. This brain malfunction is the main purpose to play the game for you and you are laughing at people who found other reasons to play the game ? It's time to visit your doctor mate.
id like you to quote the part where i said 'ONLY' oh wai...
im laughing at a post not a player jeez way to take eve serious mate its just a game you know?
also love how your telling me how my body works, im almost certain i speak for everyone here who has engaged in high end that is when your:
a) outgunned b) outnumbered c) but never outskilled
it is a feeling ive never experienced in any game prior to eve
ty for your opinion thought i respectfully disregard what you have to say. =====
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Mauser40
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Posted - 2010.06.12 03:39:00 -
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Edited by: Mauser40 on 12/06/2010 03:39:19 I like the rage-filled gankers that come in here to comment about something that has nothing to do w/ them. Must be lonely waiting for that lone pve'er to pop up on your little screen.
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Freedom Fighter21
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Posted - 2010.06.12 04:01:00 -
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This is really stupid. no one is going to ever want to do a level 5 mission now. The risk is way to high for the little reward.
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Phasmatisss
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Posted - 2010.06.12 04:02:00 -
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It is always interesting to watch the very aggressive PvPers get even more aggressive when any one threatens their game play in the slightest. They get so "defensive", they also seem to have a hard time understanding that CCP heavily advertises Eve as a sandbox in which you can do anything. This means they endores non PvP activities as much as the piwates hate to believe it.
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DUKE BILKO
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Posted - 2010.06.12 04:05:00 -
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yes should have actually did some real work and made the level 6 missions instead.... lazy i guess
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Monkey M3n
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.12 04:11:00 -
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people have to leave hisec now? OMG owned!
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MooMoo Fightur
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Posted - 2010.06.12 04:14:00 -
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OP says the l5's in hi-sec was a bug, and their merely fixing a bug, albiet a bit slowly.
Anyone remember the years they took to fix the pos's that were bugged and gave the owners a ton of money?
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Mahai Ano
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.06.12 04:20:00 -
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Edited by: Mahai Ano on 12/06/2010 04:22:40
Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku ITT: Carebears whining about having to take a slight risk to do L5s.
ITT: someone who does not know where his targets get their "drops" from.
What will be the next "bugfix", CCP? Rats prioritizing drones? Moving veldspar to lowsec maybe?
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Ghurthe
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Posted - 2010.06.12 04:23:00 -
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I feel that there just needs to be more thought put into this than simply removal of probably the only challenging PvE content from highsec. Tbh Level 5 missions are harder than 10/10 complexes, and give about 1-5% of the reward. Granted they're easier to find than a 10/10 and not in null sec, but now they might as well be.
Heck, at least in null sec you can freely shoot anyone coming into what you're running with no security penalty, or GCC, or angry station guns firing on you.
It's even possible that a good mission running defense fleet won't be able to enter high sec anymore simply because they're good at defending themselves.
Honestly, I feel the decision to put all level 5s in lowsec is not well thought out. Defense of level 5 missions is nearly impossible, the rewards, a pittance once you need more than 3 people to do them, and the risk outrageous especially when nullifying the risk with pvp incurs a penalty for doing so.
At least make using accel gates for somebody elses mission agress you in lowsec.
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Container Storage
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Posted - 2010.06.12 04:26:00 -
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Omg people will have to learn to be a part of a bigger team, ho noezzz
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Ghurthe
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Posted - 2010.06.12 04:34:00 -
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Let's just make level 5s a part of 0.0 too. I think at the very least that'd help smooth this over. We still get the move to 0.0 since people will want to make massive LP towards the faction BS, and faction BS get cheaper.
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Mahai Ano
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.06.12 04:37:00 -
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Edited by: Mahai Ano on 12/06/2010 04:37:21
Originally by: Ghurthe Let's just make level 5s a part of 0.0 too. I think at the very least that'd help smooth this over. We still get the move to 0.0 since people will want to make massive LP towards the faction BS, and faction BS get cheaper.
Yeah, move them all to IT space.... oh, wait
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shilpi
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Posted - 2010.06.12 04:39:00 -
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I guess this means LP store items will now be a bit costlier,since people cant get the bulk amount of LP from doing L5 in high sec. Well i m off to buying some stock,before it moves up.
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THEHANGMAN
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Posted - 2010.06.12 04:40:00 -
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Has anyone see that CCP did what they did said what they said then just stop talking. There playing WE MADE THE RULES LIVE WITH IT.
THERE NOT MADE ONE REPLY AFTER THE START 10 pages nothing.
I have run level5's few times on my own or with few alts in high sec but the pay out for the risk sucked so bad was wast of time. could run a lot more level4's in the same time frame paying more.
Now i only played the high sec ones i found them risky to run now on top of that there in low sec more often then not just put them so far out of the game it's a wast of time. I played almost everyday for 3 years now i am rarely on once a week. I like missions it's what i want to do. simple easy to play but everything done to change them is to make them more unstable harder play alone just made the game boring. come on think stuff out before making changes to something.
If want risk what about drug running missions fly throw systems do risky drug pick-ups flying throw high-sec gates having the cops after you. make it risky.
I dont want to pvp and i am bored of missions stop wasting my time thing of something more fun then running level4's cos level5's suck balls. YES THEY SUCK BALLS.....
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Reecei
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Posted - 2010.06.12 04:51:00 -
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Originally by: Mauser40 Edited by: Mauser40 on 12/06/2010 03:39:19 I like the rage-filled gankers that come in here to comment about something that has nothing to do w/ them. Must be lonely waiting for that lone pve'er to pop up on your little screen.
They don't come in here, they live in here, most killed an Ibis once and now talk the tough talk on the forums 24/7, cause they obviously not playing the game with how much most of them post lol.
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