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CCP Claw	Posted - 2010.06.13 19:16:00 - [1] The Kadeshi fielded an illegal 101 point team. Though it is unlikely the result of the match would have been affected by this 1 point, the tiebreak points easily could have been, so that Kadeshi have been penalised 10 points.

darius mclever	Posted - 2010.06.13 19:18:00 - [2] I will order some more coffee for you claw, so you can notice things like that before starting the match. :p
Derwent Free Lapland The Kadeshi	Posted - 2010.06.13 19:19:00 - [3] thats BS the GM should of spotted it due to my stupidity
Pinky Denmark The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.06.13 19:20:00 - [4] Good fight - Gratz Tyrrax... - I'm a nice guy!! But plz hook me up with some pew pew...
sliver 0xD exiles. The Kadeshi	Posted - 2010.06.13 19:21:00 - [5] Edited by: sliver 0xD on 13/06/2010 19:21:21 Originally by: Derwent thats BS the GM should of spotted it due to my stupidity i agree. match was aproved at start and we started. match should not have been canceled in mid fight. we stillshould have goten the reduction at end. --- Somebody needs a hug!
Cividari Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.06.13 19:21:00 - [6] Do we get one handicap point for fielding a one less point team?
Viper ShizzIe Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.13 19:22:00 - [7] Originally by: sliver 0xD i agree. match was aproved at start and we started. match should not have been canceled in mid fight. You lost to blaster moas, hth
Gorjer Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.06.13 19:28:00 - [8] Originally by: Derwent thats BS the GM should of spotted it due to my stupidity also your setup was dreadful.
Casiella Truza Ecliptic Rift New Eden Research.	Posted - 2010.06.13 19:31:00 - [9] Originally by: Derwent thats BS the GM should of spotted it due to my stupidity qq Seriously, you screwed up. Take your penalty like a man. --
leboe Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2010.06.13 19:36:00 - [10] Originally by: Viper **zIe Originally by: sliver 0xD i agree. match was aproved at start and we started. match should not have been canceled in mid fight. You lost to blaster moas, hth emptyquoting
Derwent Free Lapland The Kadeshi	Posted - 2010.06.13 20:49:00 - [11] Why 10 points penalty and stoping the fight 9mins in? Due to this we get bumped out of semi-finals. And dont give me any bull**** about not being able to pull thru anyway we had that moa going down. So i demand a less or no points penalty. Get back to me CCP Claw
Pinky Denmark The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.06.13 20:51:00 - [12] I dont get the stopping fight while it's going on - but othwerwise I see it very hard demanding stuff when you are violating the rules... Good luck demanding stuff - I'm a nice guy!! But plz hook me up with some pew pew...
Elise Randolph Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.13 20:51:00 - [13] Would you prefer a nine point penalty? --- Sup~
Blackhorizon Habitual Euthanasia	Posted - 2010.06.13 20:52:00 - [14] That moa was passive shield tanking 5 warrior IIs at half shields, if you consider that going down.
NTRabbit Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.13 20:52:00 - [15] Originally by: Derwent we had that moa going down. No, you didn't. ------
Viper ShizzIe Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.13 20:52:00 - [16] Originally by: Derwent Why 10 points penalty and stoping the fight 9mins in? Due to this we get bumped out of semi-finals. And dont give me any bull**** about not being able to pull thru anyway we had that moa going down. So i demand a less or no points penalty. Get back to me CCP Claw Why did you bring 101 points if you wanted to get into the semis? If you hadn't blatantly cheated (and still lost horribly to a far inferior setup) maybe you'd be advancing, hope that helps.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.13 20:52:00 - [17] yea that moa wasn't actually dying - your remaining ships were hiding far away and the drones would never have been enough (and if they'd come close they woulda got hamdrakewebbed) also considering you cheated you're not really in a position to demand anything ;O gfgf
Widemouth Deepthroat	Posted - 2010.06.13 20:54:00 - [18] poor loser and cheater go back provi with the noob roleplayers
EviL Az	Posted - 2010.06.13 20:57:00 - [19] With all the respect u deserve, CCP CLAW, you should have done a better job on your part! You screwed up just as much if not more if u cant see this before the start of the match, yes we all make mistakes. THOR is well respected and i second Derwent's motion, give us a fair chance.. cos end of the day, you screwed up just as much if u cant decide and/or calculate the points yet penalise us half way through the match. FYI - moa was pretty much dead, active or not...
Viper ShizzIe Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.13 20:59:00 - [20] I agree it's CCP Claw's fault you retards brought 101 points. Fire Claw! Allow Kadeshi through the tournament!
Widemouth Deepthroat	Posted - 2010.06.13 21:00:00 - [21] It is not his responsibility. Next time read and follow the rules carefully like everybody else. Just like if you get caught using illegal mods... "oh but CCP Claw you should have checked my mods before the fight not give me point reduction after match is over and I got caught out from killmail"
EviL Az	Posted - 2010.06.13 21:05:00 - [22] deepthroat.. yes i see where u got that name from.. get the co*k outa your mouth or come smack me on tq. i still believe n think ccp claw should have been more on the ball with it...
Damien Larkspur Imperial Syndicate Forces Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.06.13 21:06:00 - [23] LOL. While I was initially rooting for Kadeshi, you did make a mistake in your math. I think it's actually fair that Claw only deducted 10 points. He could have deducted the point cost of your most expensive ship (16 Points)... Or he could have deducted the average point cost of your ships (12.5 Points, assuming base of 100 points among 8 pilots.) Yes, you could argue that he could have just deducted the point cost of your cheapest ship (3 points) but there is no way to tell which ship was the one that put you over your point limit (My logical assumption would be the 3 point ship as a "we have extra points, lets throw something in there, we have 2 points, Thrasher would work"). As far as "The GMs should have noticed it at the beginning of the match." It sometimes happens. Just because someone else didn't notice the mistake right away doesn't mean the mistake didn't happen. Look at it this way, at least by ending the match early, they saved you at least 400mil in ships and mods :-) The art of war is of vital importance to the State. It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. Hence it is a subject of inquiry which can on no account be neglected - Sun T
Derwent Free Lapland The Kadeshi	Posted - 2010.06.13 21:06:00 - [24] And why did Dystopia get 125points when they didnt destroy all ships?
Damien Larkspur Imperial Syndicate Forces Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.06.13 21:11:00 - [25] Originally by: Derwent And why did Dystopia get 125points when they didnt destroy all ships? They were awarded full points because your team violated the rules, plus the 25% bonus for being the winner of the match. Not that it matters... Dystopia won 2 matches, automatically making it to the next round. All their points would affect is who their possible opponent in the next round would be (but if I remember correctly, they don't use the points from this match to determine who fights who, just who makes it to the next round). The art of war is of vital importance to the State. It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. Hence it is a subject of inquiry which can on no account be neglected - Sun T
Widemouth Deepthroat	Posted - 2010.06.13 21:11:00 - [26] They get full points due to you forfeit the match due to cheating.
lolYourMad	Posted - 2010.06.13 21:18:00 - [27] I sense rage.
Tertiacero Caldari Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.06.13 21:19:00 - [28] Yo Kadeshi, you know who else should have noticed that you had 101 points on the field? YOU. Good job guys. Buy a calculator.
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.06.13 21:19:00 - [29] If CCP Claw caught it before the match you would have down right been disqualified and knocked out of the tournament anyway. So claiming it is somehow his fault and that he should give you a fair chance because he didn't notice your mistake right away is nothing short of ****ed, because had he noticed you wouldn't have gotten a chance at all. You **ed up, not Claw, deal with it. ---
EviL Az	Posted - 2010.06.13 21:21:00 - [30] yeah well, you can flame all you want...make my day
gazarsgo Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2010.06.13 21:22:00 - [31] From official rules: Quote: 1. Each team has 100 points with which to select their ships. Teams must use a minimum of 50 points. Quote: All penalties are incurred at the tournament organizer's discretion. Decisions are final. Penalties may be levied against a player or team and may include but are not limited to: ... * Ban from competing for one or more matches. * Ban from competing for the remainder of the tournament, and/or any future tournaments. Seems pretty straightforward to me. Math is hard.
Widemouth Deepthroat	Posted - 2010.06.13 21:25:00 - [32] I would like to see them banned from at least the next tournament just so we can be sure they learned their lesson.
NTRabbit Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.13 21:25:00 - [33] Originally by: Suitonia If CCP Claw caught it before the match you would have down right been disqualified and knocked out of the tournament anyway. If memory serves, rather than being booted on the spot they would have dropped a ship - likely the Taranis - and the rest of the team would have started with a 50% HP penalty. ------
Awesome Possum	Posted - 2010.06.13 21:25:00 - [34] EVE Online, we can't add to 100. ♥ Wreck Disposal Services
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.13 21:27:00 - [35] personally i woulda just made them leave a random ship at home, but dunno what claw would do
Kurj Valdoria Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.13 21:27:00 - [36] Originally by: Suitonia If CCP Claw caught it before the match you would have down right been disqualified and knocked out of the tournament anyway. So claiming it is somehow his fault and that he should give you a fair chance because he didn't notice your mistake right away is nothing short of ****ed, because had he noticed you wouldn't have gotten a chance at all. You **ed up, not Claw, deal with it. Or they did notice and decided to let us roll them anyway.
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2010.06.13 21:31:00 - [37] Originally by: NTRabbit If memory serves, rather than being booted on the spot they would have dropped a ship - likely the Taranis - and the rest of the team would have started with a 50% HP penalty. I think I remember last year there was a team fielding too many points, iirc they got their logistics removed but didnt get a HP penalty.
Derwent Free Lapland The Kadeshi	Posted - 2010.06.13 21:31:00 - [38] Originally by: Suitonia If CCP Claw caught it before the match you would have down right been disqualified and knocked out of the tournament anyway. So claiming it is somehow his fault and that he should give you a fair chance because he didn't notice your mistake right away is nothing short of ****ed, because had he noticed you wouldn't have gotten a chance at all. You **ed up, not Claw, deal with it. No. If it got cought before the match we would of been advised to discard a ship to not breach the 100 point limit
Awesome Possum	Posted - 2010.06.13 21:33:00 - [39] Originally by: Derwent Originally by: Suitonia If CCP Claw caught it before the match you would have down right been disqualified and knocked out of the tournament anyway. So claiming it is somehow his fault and that he should give you a fair chance because he didn't notice your mistake right away is nothing short of ****ed, because had he noticed you wouldn't have gotten a chance at all. You **ed up, not Claw, deal with it. No. If it got cought before the match we would of been advised to discard a ship to not breach the 100 point limit You have a calculator in your client. You know how many points each ship is worth. Why didn't YOU catch it? ♥ Wreck Disposal Services
Orvar Skallespjut	Posted - 2010.06.13 21:35:00 - [40] Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat They get full points due to you forfeit the match due to cheating. if that was true shouldnt kadeshi get 0 points then? ccp claw is beeing very inconsistent whit his rulings here. kadeshi ****ed up yes, but so did the referee. done is done and i think there is 0% chance that kadeshi will go thru now. but there would be good if these type of things are ironed out. arbitrary rulings doesnt make a good show.
Viper ShizzIe Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.13 21:36:00 - [41] Originally by: Derwent Originally by: Suitonia If CCP Claw caught it before the match you would have down right been disqualified and knocked out of the tournament anyway. So claiming it is somehow his fault and that he should give you a fair chance because he didn't notice your mistake right away is nothing short of ****ed, because had he noticed you wouldn't have gotten a chance at all. You **ed up, not Claw, deal with it. No. If it got cought before the match we would of been advised to discard a ship to not breach the 100 point limit We discarded your team shortly after the match began so it didn't really matter.
Tertiacero Caldari Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.06.13 21:39:00 - [42] Originally by: Derwent Originally by: Suitonia If CCP Claw caught it before the match you would have down right been disqualified and knocked out of the tournament anyway. So claiming it is somehow his fault and that he should give you a fair chance because he didn't notice your mistake right away is nothing short of ****ed, because had he noticed you wouldn't have gotten a chance at all. You **ed up, not Claw, deal with it. No. If it got cought before the match we would of been advised to discard a ship to not breach the 100 point limit Whoops! Looks like someone didn't make it to the final weekend. Maybe next time you'll remember to count your own points instead of relying on a dev to catch your mistake pre-game. And according to the rules, CCP Claw can do whatever he wants to penalize you. Up to and including banning you from all future tournaments in addition to this one.
Orvar Skallespjut	Posted - 2010.06.13 21:41:00 - [43] Originally by: Viper **zIe Originally by: Derwent Originally by: Suitonia If CCP Claw caught it before the match you would have down right been disqualified and knocked out of the tournament anyway. So claiming it is somehow his fault and that he should give you a fair chance because he didn't notice your mistake right away is nothing short of ****ed, because had he noticed you wouldn't have gotten a chance at all. You **ed up, not Claw, deal with it. No. If it got cought before the match we would of been advised to discard a ship to not breach the 100 point limit We discarded your team shortly after the match began so it didn't really matter. it obviously mattered cus whitout the penalty they would have gone thru. or am i reading this wrong?
Deja Thoris Invicta. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2010.06.13 21:41:00 - [44] If I have this right the match was stopped and then a deduction took place. Seems a bit of a meh way to do it. However, placing the blame for the points mess up instead of accepting the blame isn't going to earn you sympathy. In a prior tourney when this was discovered the offending team lost a random ship which happened to be a logi. I'm not sure how many pilots you fielded but all of them could have picked up the mistake prior to the match start.
lol internets North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.06.13 21:42:00 - [45] The Kadeshi was performing too terribly to get enough points to pass towards the semis anyway, their terribleness didn't mean anything
Gecko O'Bac H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.06.13 21:42:00 - [46] Edited by: Gecko O''Bac on 13/06/2010 21:43:53 Originally by: Awesome Possum EVE Online, we can't add to 100. Which is quite ironic given that eve is also famous for its industrial side, which has gained it names like "Spreadsheets Online" or "Eve online: Age of Excel". Heck, we also get an IN GAME calculator!
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.06.13 21:44:00 - [47] kadeshi you couldnt count your own freakin points and STILL lost to blastermoas seriously gtfo - Gob
Kirtur Muhaha Gallente Ragnarok Rising THE SPACE P0LICE	Posted - 2010.06.13 21:45:00 - [48] Unfortunately it looks as though kadeshi will still pass on thru to finals over the space police (sniff) and beyond virginity based on tie breaker rules... I have to say I am disappointed at the inconsistency of penalties in this tourney, and Im really hoping I am wrong and Space Police move in instead :D My Head Is On Loose But The Screws Are Tight
Orvar Skallespjut	Posted - 2010.06.13 21:49:00 - [49] neither of you are going thru.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.13 22:04:00 - [50] Originally by: Kirtur Muhaha Unfortunately it looks as though kadeshi will still pass on thru to finals over the space police (sniff) and beyond virginity based on tie breaker rules... I have to say I am disappointed at the inconsistency of penalties in this tourney, and Im really hoping I am wrong and Space Police move in instead :D nah kadeshi are ranked 33 you're 34
Kirtur Muhaha Gallente Ragnarok Rising THE SPACE P0LICE	Posted - 2010.06.13 22:08:00 - [51] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Originally by: Kirtur Muhaha Unfortunately it looks as though kadeshi will still pass on thru to finals over the space police (sniff) and beyond virginity based on tie breaker rules... I have to say I am disappointed at the inconsistency of penalties in this tourney, and Im really hoping I am wrong and Space Police move in instead :D nah kadeshi are ranked 33 you're 34 Yes, I just saw that :( well at least it was a good run... I'll be pulling for you dystopia :D My Head Is On Loose But The Screws Are Tight
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.13 22:12:00 - [52] Thanks me too :D
Olivor	Posted - 2010.06.13 22:16:00 - [53] Maybe you could have a word with Agony and go through instead of them since they never ~deserved~ their first win?
sliver 0xD exiles. The Kadeshi	Posted - 2010.06.13 22:17:00 - [54] Originally by: Deja Thoris If I have this right the match was stopped and then a deduction took place. Seems a bit of a meh way to do it. However, placing the blame for the points mess up instead of accepting the blame isn't going to earn you sympathy. In a prior tourney when this was discovered the offending team lost a random ship which happened to be a logi. I'm not sure how many pilots you fielded but all of them could have picked up the mistake prior to the match start. i like your view. the point mess up is clear. we ****ed up on that. there is nothing to blame becouse we know we are the ones to blame. but u have to accept that CCP made a mistake also. And when they find out they correct there mistake by stoping the match in the middel of a fight. --- Somebody needs a hug!
Heng Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.06.13 22:19:00 - [55] Sounds like Kadeshi should keep up the tradition and make a song about it. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1006/109points.mp3
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.06.13 22:36:00 - [56] I'm going to print this thread out, and press it against my loins to absorb the precious grief-molecules contained therein.
Nybbas Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.13 22:41:00 - [57] Fun match regardless.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2010.06.13 22:47:00 - [58] Originally by: Nybbas Fun match regardless. Probably the only reason it happened. -------- All I want is a better mankind.

CCP Claw	Posted - 2010.06.13 23:27:00 - [59] The simple fact is that Dystopia demolished you and you had an extra point; you barely killed the ships you did as is, and you were not going to kill anything else (which is why the match was stopped). This is called adjudication. Honestly, you're lucky you got as many points as you did, as without that Taranis charge (if we'd removed a ship before the match) you probably wouldn't have had the Basilisk either. Anyway, yes i should have spotted it before the match, but that doesnt excuse an illegal setup.

Viper ShizzIe Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.13 23:29:00 - [60] Originally by: CCP Claw The simple fact is that Dystopia demolished you and you had an extra point; you barely killed the ships you did as is, and you were not going to kill anything else (which is why the match was stopped). This is called adjudication. Honestly, you're lucky you got as many points as you did, as without that Taranis charge (if we'd removed a ship before the match) you probably wouldn't have had the Basilisk either. Anyway, yes i should have spotted it before the match, but that doesnt excuse an illegal setup. BUT THAT MOA WAS GOING TO DIE watches video sees him tanking all incoming damage
Kurj Valdoria Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.13 23:38:00 - [61] Originally by: CCP Claw The simple fact is that Dystopia demolished you and you had an extra point; you barely killed the ships you did as is, and you were not going to kill anything else (which is why the match was stopped). This is called adjudication. Honestly, you're lucky you got as many points as you did, as without that Taranis charge (if we'd removed a ship before the match) you probably wouldn't have had the Basilisk either. Anyway, yes i should have spotted it before the match, but that doesnt excuse an illegal setup. BUT THE MOA WAS ABOUT TO DIE
Jieter	Posted - 2010.06.13 23:41:00 - [62] Originally by: Kurj Valdoria Originally by: CCP Claw The simple fact is that Dystopia demolished you and you had an extra point; you barely killed the ships you did as is, and you were not going to kill anything else (which is why the match was stopped). This is called adjudication. Honestly, you're lucky you got as many points as you did, as without that Taranis charge (if we'd removed a ship before the match) you probably wouldn't have had the Basilisk either. Anyway, yes i should have spotted it before the match, but that doesnt excuse an illegal setup. BUT THE MOA WAS ABOUT TO DIE that moa was so about to die
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.06.13 23:41:00 - [63] Originally by: CCP Claw The simple fact is that Dystopia demolished you and you had an extra point; you barely killed the ships you did as is, and you were not going to kill anything else (which is why the match was stopped). This is called adjudication. Honestly, you're lucky you got as many points as you did, as without that Taranis charge (if we'd removed a ship before the match) you probably wouldn't have had the Basilisk either. Anyway, yes i should have spotted it before the match, but that doesnt excuse an illegal setup. Dissed, and dismissed.
Jason Edwards Internet Tough Guy Spreadsheets Online	Posted - 2010.06.13 23:58:00 - [64] Kadeshi didnt bring 101 by accident or because they are stupid. They did it intentional hoping nobody was counting; Just like what happened. I assume the 10 points lost eliminates them from tourny. If not they should be disqualified. I believe that the time it took to kill the one ship which would have been destroyed prior would have been spent on killing something else. Meaning a far different result would have happened. In favour of dystopia. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded.
Tertiacero Caldari Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.06.14 00:02:00 - [65] Originally by: Jason Edwards Kadeshi didnt bring 101 by accident or because they are stupid. They did it intentional hoping nobody was counting; Just like what happened. I assume the 10 points lost eliminates them from tourny. If not they should be disqualified. I believe that the time it took to kill the one ship which would have been destroyed prior would have been spent on killing something else. Meaning a far different result would have happened. In favour of dystopia. If only they had fielded one point less. Maybe dystopia could have won that match owait
Blackhorizon Habitual Euthanasia	Posted - 2010.06.14 00:28:00 - [66] Now that the cat is out of the bag, let me state that the sum we paid Kadeshi to field a 101 point setup was one Mimir. Hope everyone liked the explosions and the forum trolling.
Derwent Free Lapland The Kadeshi	Posted - 2010.06.14 03:28:00 - [67] Originally by: CCP Claw The simple fact is that Dystopia demolished you and you had an extra point; you barely killed the ships you did as is, and you were not going to kill anything else (which is why the match was stopped). This is called adjudication. Honestly, you're lucky you got as many points as you did, as without that Taranis charge (if we'd removed a ship before the match) you probably wouldn't have had the Basilisk either. Anyway, yes i should have spotted it before the match, but that doesnt excuse an illegal setup. well, FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Koronos Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2010.06.14 03:47:00 - [68] Originally by: CCP Claw The simple fact is that Dystopia demolished you and you had an extra point; you barely killed the ships you did as is, and you were not going to kill anything else (which is why the match was stopped). This is called adjudication. Honestly, you're lucky you got as many points as you did, as without that Taranis charge (if we'd removed a ship before the match) you probably wouldn't have had the Basilisk either. Anyway, yes i should have spotted it before the match, but that doesnt excuse an illegal setup. You may be 100% correct, and yet, that's poor form. There are plenty of people in this thread already smacking them. As judge of the alliance tournament, you should be above that.
Jason Edwards Internet Tough Guy Spreadsheets Online	Posted - 2010.06.14 04:06:00 - [69] Originally by: Derwent Originally by: CCP Claw The simple fact is that Dystopia demolished you and you had an extra point; you barely killed the ships you did as is, and you were not going to kill anything else (which is why the match was stopped). This is called adjudication. Honestly, you're lucky you got as many points as you did, as without that Taranis charge (if we'd removed a ship before the match) you probably wouldn't have had the Basilisk either. Anyway, yes i should have spotted it before the match, but that doesnt excuse an illegal setup. well, FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU u mad bro? ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded.
Gil Danastre Amarr Robur in Arma	Posted - 2010.06.14 04:34:00 - [70] Here you go guys, this should help next time
Karhig Duruckhai Caldari Shut Up And Play	Posted - 2010.06.14 04:55:00 - [71] You gotta love the reasoning of losers ; "We cheated and you guys didnt catch it soon enough, therefore its your fault!!!" your done. See you next year.
Lady Janey	Posted - 2010.06.14 05:05:00 - [72] Originally by: CCP Claw The Kadeshi fielded an illegal 101 point team. Though it is unlikely the result of the match would have been affected by this 1 point, the tiebreak points easily could have been, so that Kadeshi have been penalised 10 points. Incompetent and biased. If you let the match start you should have let it finish and there should be no penalty at all for this. It appears CCP only penalizes the teams they don't like. Did RED Overlord get penalized for illegal players? No. WTF should The Kadeshi get penalized?
Orvar Skallespjut	Posted - 2010.06.14 05:10:00 - [73] Originally by: CCP Claw The simple fact is that Dystopia demolished you and you had an extra point; you barely killed the ships you did as is, and you were not going to kill anything else (which is why the match was stopped). This is called adjudication. Honestly, you're lucky you got as many points as you did, as without that Taranis charge (if we'd removed a ship before the match) you probably wouldn't have had the Basilisk either. Anyway, yes i should have spotted it before the match, but that doesnt excuse an illegal setup. your logic is failing here. the fact that they barely killed the ships they did and probly wasnt going to kill anything else have never been grounds to stop a match before, right? i remeber seeing plenty of benny hill chases. second you admit its your job to check no ones starts whit an illegal setup. you cant punish kadeshi for your failings, no matter how stupied they where. i also agree whit koronos, as a ccp employee you should be above second grade trolling. especially when you already have the entire forums whit you. you come of very amateurish doing so.
Melanie Mumps	Posted - 2010.06.14 05:14:00 - [74] Originally by: gazarsgo From official rules: Quote: 1. Each team has 100 points with which to select their ships. Teams must use a minimum of 50 points. Quote: All penalties are incurred at the tournament organizer's discretion. Decisions are final. Penalties may be levied against a player or team and may include but are not limited to: ... * Ban from competing for one or more matches. * Ban from competing for the remainder of the tournament, and/or any future tournaments. Seems pretty straightforward to me. Math is hard. That would be great except CCP dont stick to rules, they change them as they see fit and penalise teams so randomly its a joke. Ill quote you some more rules shall i... Quote: Tournament Rules 4. All competing pilots must have been members of the alliance for which they are competing for a minimum of 60 continuous days prior to the beginning of the tournament. For Alliance Tournament 8 this means that pilots must have been a member of their alliance before downtime on 06/04/10 Lets see, WE FORM VOLTRON should not be in this tournamnet at all according to these hard and fast rules, oh wait, no these rules are wrong as CCP allowed them in. Also as said above, RED OVERLORD fielded an illegal player in both matches yet received no penalty at all? Gee something really smells bad with these decisions.
Conmen Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.06.14 05:19:00 - [75] Edited by: Conmen on 14/06/2010 05:23:11 Edited by: Conmen on 14/06/2010 05:22:16 Originally by: Melanie Mumps Originally by: gazarsgo From official rules: Quote: 1. Each team has 100 points with which to select their ships. Teams must use a minimum of 50 points. Quote: All penalties are incurred at the tournament organizer's discretion. Decisions are final. Penalties may be levied against a player or team and may include but are not limited to: ... * Ban from competing for one or more matches. * Ban from competing for the remainder of the tournament, and/or any future tournaments. Seems pretty straightforward to me. Math is hard. That would be great except CCP dont stick to rules, they change them as they see fit and penalise teams so randomly its a joke. Ill quote you some more rules shall i... Quote: Tournament Rules 4. All competing pilots must have been members of the alliance for which they are competing for a minimum of 60 continuous days prior to the beginning of the tournament. For Alliance Tournament 8 this means that pilots must have been a member of their alliance before downtime on 06/04/10 Lets see, WE FORM VOLTRON should not be in this tournamnet at all according to these hard and fast rules, oh wait, no these rules are wrong as CCP allowed them in. Also as said above, RED OVERLORD fielded an illegal player in both matches yet received no penalty at all? Gee something really smells bad with these decisions. Would you guys like some tech two tissue nuubins? The point limit is setup that way for a so you do not field extra points, the 60 day rule was setup so that alt alliance wouldn't be setup and those alliances wouldn't have team a, team b, team c. If you cant see the difference you are more ******ed then I thought possible and all hope is lost for you being able to actually comprehend anything said or mention in this post. The spirit of the rule has been maintained in both instances and you should just stop whining.
Karhig Duruckhai Caldari Shut Up And Play	Posted - 2010.06.14 05:21:00 - [76] Lets all get on alts and post so it looks like theres a consensus of outrage!!!! Nubbins
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.14 05:25:00 - [77] alt posts best posts you don't deserve to advance anyway kadeshi, your setup was awful - vagabonds really ? you lost to blaster moas ;P pro tip; don't use vagabonds in tourney, they're a very stupid use of points , also you might want to use more than one gang mod, you had 1, our joke team had 5 -_-
Nkalv Fina Flickor Fiser Inte	Posted - 2010.06.14 05:31:00 - [78] Originally by: CCP Claw This is called adjudication. What? Is this American idol or something. Only here we get Simon, Randy and Paula merged into one(ugh that is some disturbing imagery, a fat wierd looking british guy that speaks like a girl). This is not a venue for adjudication thats why you have a set point system and not style judges like in figure skating.
F90OEX F9X Beyond Virginity	Posted - 2010.06.14 05:35:00 - [79] Sad panda if it's true whats said on post 48 ... But either way we had a good time.
Shade Millith Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.06.14 05:38:00 - [80] Points rule : To stop teams feilding too many points 60 day rule : To stop alt teams. Both have been upheld to the spirit of the rule. Don't like it? Go away. ------------------------
Lakut Hoover Inc. WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.06.14 05:39:00 - [81] Originally by: F90OEX Sad panda if it's true whats said on post 48 ... Nah, they should be pretty much out (due to Paisti having their Sleip die, allowing Majesta to sneak in ahead of Kadeshi). Originally by: F90OEX But either way we had a good time. C. Caldari close range (the DRAEK was iirc HAM fitted, too, along with all the blasterboats) raep setup, best setup. Most importantly, the issue is that this is already my signature. ---------- You get a wonderful view from the point of no return.
F90OEX F9X Beyond Virginity	Posted - 2010.06.14 05:44:00 - [82] Originally by: Lakut Originally by: F90OEX Sad panda if it's true whats said on post 48 ... Nah, they should be pretty much out (due to Paisti having their Sleip die, allowing Majesta to sneak in ahead of Kadeshi). Originally by: F90OEX But either way we had a good time. C. Caldari close range (the DRAEK was iirc HAM fitted, too, along with all the blasterboats) raep setup, best setup. Well I was talking about us read post 48. But I will wait for the official list
Lakut Hoover Inc. WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.06.14 05:47:00 - [83] Originally by: F90OEX Originally by: Lakut Originally by: F90OEX Sad panda if it's true whats said on post 48 ... Nah, they should be pretty much out (due to Paisti having their Sleip die, allowing Majesta to sneak in ahead of Kadeshi). Originally by: F90OEX But either way we had a good time. C. Caldari close range (the DRAEK was iirc HAM fitted, too, along with all the blasterboats) raep setup, best setup. Well I was talking about us read post 48. But I will wait for the official list I only read like first half of the first sentence of it, referring to Kadeshi probably being still in. Most importantly, the issue is that this is already my signature. ---------- You get a wonderful view from the point of no return.
Andrejs L	Posted - 2010.06.14 06:06:00 - [84] Originally by: Jason Edwards Kadeshi didnt bring 101 by accident or because they are stupid. They did it intentional hoping nobody was counting; Just like what happened. I assume the 10 points lost eliminates them from tourny. If not they should be disqualified. I believe that the time it took to kill the one ship which would have been destroyed prior would have been spent on killing something else. Meaning a far different result would have happened. In favour of dystopia. Are you Fcking Serious!
Anonymous Player	Posted - 2010.06.14 06:38:00 - [85] Edited by: Anonymous Player on 14/06/2010 06:46:15 Edited by: Anonymous Player on 14/06/2010 06:41:51 Originally by: CCP Claw The Kadeshi fielded an illegal 101 point team. Though it is unlikely the result of the match would have been affected by this 1 point, the tiebreak points easily could have been, so that Kadeshi have been penalised 10 points. Amazing, one team fields an illegal fleet and loses the match and is penalized. RED.Overlord fields an illegal fleet and wins their first match and it's a "Our bad, no penalty, just can't use that pilot again." Get a grip, Claw. You wouldn't know integrity if it bit you in the ass. Originally by: Suitonia If CCP Claw caught it before the match you would have down right been disqualified and knocked out of the tournament anyway. So claiming it is somehow his fault and that he should give you a fair chance because he didn't notice your mistake right away is nothing short of ****ed, because had he noticed you wouldn't have gotten a chance at all. You ed up, not Claw, deal with it. Again, CCP Claw ed up both times, and only gives a penalty in one instance. CCP Claw should be held accountable for his mistakes just as much as the teams should be. Originally by:** Orvar Skallespjut Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat They get full points due to you forfeit the match due to cheating. if that was true shouldnt kadeshi get 0 points then? ccp claw is beeing very inconsistent whit his rulings here. kadeshi **ed up yes, but so did the referee. done is done and i think there is 0% chance that kadeshi will go thru now. but there would be good if these type of things are ironed out. arbitrary rulings doesnt make a good show. 100% agree. CCP Claw doesn't know how to run a tournament, and should be replaced by a NON-BIASED tournament director who actually uses his brain. Originally by:** Gecko O'Bac Edited by: Gecko O''Bac on 13/06/2010 21:43:53 Originally by: Awesome Possum EVE Online, we can't add to 100. Which is quite ironic given that eve is also famous for its industrial side, which has gained it names like "Spreadsheets Online" or "Eve online: Age of Excel". Heck, we also get an IN GAME calculator! These are "PVP" pilots, all they really know how to do is F1, F2, F3. Since most keyboards only go up to F12, having a point system of 100 is kinda unfair to these guys! Originally by: Shade Millith Points rule : To stop teams feilding too many points 60 day rule : To stop alt teams. Both have been upheld to the spirit of the rule. Don't like it? Go away. If it was upheld to the spirit of the rules, and that was just to prevent alt alliances, then why is that pilot no longer able to fly in the tournament? Because doing so breaks the RULES! The rules state the pilot HAS TO BE IN THE ALLIANCE FOR 60 CONSECUTIVE DAYS BEFORE THE TOURNAMENT! I don't see how that can't be any less clear than 100 points? IN FACT, IT IS MORE CLEAR, SINCE YOU CAN LOOK AT A PLAYER'S INFO AND SAY "HEY, THIS DUDE HAS ONLY BEEN IN THAT ALLIANCE FOR 41 DAYS!" You know what? Don't like it, petition to have CCP Claw removed from tournament director. Petition Submitted Your petition has been submitted, the petition tracking id is 2035474.
Fallen Rabbit Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.14 06:48:00 - [86] qq
The'Best Hellfury Incura	Posted - 2010.06.14 07:07:00 - [87] Originally by: Anonymous Player Edited by: Anonymous Player on 14/06/2010 06:46:15 Edited by: Anonymous Player on 14/06/2010 06:41:51 Originally by: CCP Claw The Kadeshi fielded an illegal 101 point team. Though it is unlikely the result of the match would have been affected by this 1 point, the tiebreak points easily could have been, so that Kadeshi have been penalised 10 points. Amazing, one team fields an illegal fleet and loses the match and is penalized. RED.Overlord fields an illegal fleet and wins their first match and it's a "Our bad, no penalty, just can't use that pilot again." Get a grip, Claw. You wouldn't know integrity if it bit you in the ass. Originally by: Suitonia If CCP Claw caught it before the match you would have down right been disqualified and knocked out of the tournament anyway. So claiming it is somehow his fault and that he should give you a fair chance because he didn't notice your mistake right away is nothing short of ****ed, because had he noticed you wouldn't have gotten a chance at all. You ed up, not Claw, deal with it. Again, CCP Claw ed up both times, and only gives a penalty in one instance. CCP Claw should be held accountable for his mistakes just as much as the teams should be. Originally by:** Orvar Skallespjut Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat They get full points due to you forfeit the match due to cheating. if that was true shouldnt kadeshi get 0 points then? ccp claw is beeing very inconsistent whit his rulings here. kadeshi **ed up yes, but so did the referee. done is done and i think there is 0% chance that kadeshi will go thru now. but there would be good if these type of things are ironed out. arbitrary rulings doesnt make a good show. 100% agree. CCP Claw doesn't know how to run a tournament, and should be replaced by a NON-BIASED tournament director who actually uses his brain. Originally by:** Gecko O'Bac Edited by: Gecko O''Bac on 13/06/2010 21:43:53 Originally by: Awesome Possum EVE Online, we can't add to 100. Which is quite ironic given that eve is also famous for its industrial side, which has gained it names like "Spreadsheets Online" or "Eve online: Age of Excel". Heck, we also get an IN GAME calculator! These are "PVP" pilots, all they really know how to do is F1, F2, F3. Since most keyboards only go up to F12, having a point system of 100 is kinda unfair to these guys! Originally by: Shade Millith Points rule : To stop teams feilding too many points 60 day rule : To stop alt teams. Both have been upheld to the spirit of the rule. Don't like it? Go away. If it was upheld to the spirit of the rules, and that was just to prevent alt alliances, then why is that pilot no longer able to fly in the tournament? Because doing so breaks the RULES! The rules state the pilot HAS TO BE IN THE ALLIANCE FOR 60 CONSECUTIVE DAYS BEFORE THE TOURNAMENT! I don't see how that can't be any less clear than 100 points? IN FACT, IT IS MORE CLEAR, SINCE YOU CAN LOOK AT A PLAYER'S INFO AND SAY "HEY, THIS DUDE HAS ONLY BEEN IN THAT ALLIANCE FOR 41 DAYS!" You know what? Don't like it, petition to have CCP Claw removed from tournament director. Petition Submitted Your petition has been submitted, the petition tracking id is 2035474. You clearly have no ideal what "penalized based on the nature of the offense" means. You probably think that jaywalkers should suffer the same penalties as murderers, right?
Anonymous Player	Posted - 2010.06.14 07:17:00 - [88] Originally by: The'Best Hellfury Originally by: Anonymous Player Edited by: Anonymous Player on 14/06/2010 06:46:15 Edited by: Anonymous Player on 14/06/2010 06:41:51 Originally by: CCP Claw The Kadeshi fielded an illegal 101 point team. Though it is unlikely the result of the match would have been affected by this 1 point, the tiebreak points easily could have been, so that Kadeshi have been penalised 10 points. Amazing, one team fields an illegal fleet and loses the match and is penalized. RED.Overlord fields an illegal fleet and wins their first match and it's a "Our bad, no penalty, just can't use that pilot again." Get a grip, Claw. You wouldn't know integrity if it bit you in the ass. Originally by: Suitonia If CCP Claw caught it before the match you would have down right been disqualified and knocked out of the tournament anyway. So claiming it is somehow his fault and that he should give you a fair chance because he didn't notice your mistake right away is nothing short of ****ed, because had he noticed you wouldn't have gotten a chance at all. You ed up, not Claw, deal with it. Again, CCP Claw ed up both times, and only gives a penalty in one instance. CCP Claw should be held accountable for his mistakes just as much as the teams should be. Originally by:** Orvar Skallespjut Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat They get full points due to you forfeit the match due to cheating. if that was true shouldnt kadeshi get 0 points then? ccp claw is beeing very inconsistent whit his rulings here. kadeshi **ed up yes, but so did the referee. done is done and i think there is 0% chance that kadeshi will go thru now. but there would be good if these type of things are ironed out. arbitrary rulings doesnt make a good show. 100% agree. CCP Claw doesn't know how to run a tournament, and should be replaced by a NON-BIASED tournament director who actually uses his brain. Originally by:** Gecko O'Bac Edited by: Gecko O''Bac on 13/06/2010 21:43:53 Originally by: Awesome Possum EVE Online, we can't add to 100. Which is quite ironic given that eve is also famous for its industrial side, which has gained it names like "Spreadsheets Online" or "Eve online: Age of Excel". Heck, we also get an IN GAME calculator! These are "PVP" pilots, all they really know how to do is F1, F2, F3. Since most keyboards only go up to F12, having a point system of 100 is kinda unfair to these guys! Originally by: Shade Millith Points rule : To stop teams feilding too many points 60 day rule : To stop alt teams. Both have been upheld to the spirit of the rule. Don't like it? Go away. If it was upheld to the spirit of the rules, and that was just to prevent alt alliances, then why is that pilot no longer able to fly in the tournament? Because doing so breaks the RULES! The rules state the pilot HAS TO BE IN THE ALLIANCE FOR 60 CONSECUTIVE DAYS BEFORE THE TOURNAMENT! I don't see how that can't be any less clear than 100 points? IN FACT, IT IS MORE CLEAR, SINCE YOU CAN LOOK AT A PLAYER'S INFO AND SAY "HEY, THIS DUDE HAS ONLY BEEN IN THAT ALLIANCE FOR 41 DAYS!" You know what? Don't like it, petition to have CCP Claw removed from tournament director. Petition Submitted Your petition has been submitted, the petition tracking id is 2035474. You clearly have no ideal what "penalized based on the nature of the offense" means. You probably think that jaywalkers should suffer the same penalties as murderers, right? That is a bit of a red herring. But since you want to go that way, no, I do not think they should be penalized the same, but if you get a ticket for driving 75 in a 55 zone, you'll still have to pay a penalty, the same as if you broke into a house and stole a TV. The penalty may be different, but there should be a penalty. Allowing a team to use an illegal pilot to win a match should be penalized, and not by "penalizing" them on future matches by not letting him fly.
Tertiacero Caldari Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.06.14 07:21:00 - [89] Oh wow, this thread is comedy gold! Are you all the same person or what? The fact is that CCP Claw has done a far better job getting and keeping this tournament together than any of us have any realistic reason to expect. For all the infractions of the rules so far he has responded with very fair decisions. The difference between the other two cases (VOLTRON and ROL) and the Kadeshi make this whole whinefest unimportant. As soon as we realized that something was horribly wrong we petitioned and mailed the hell out of any CCP employee we thought might have some ability to help us and ACTUALLY BEGGED ON THE FORUMS for CCP Claw to allow us to compete. Every one of our pilots would have, if not for that couple of days when CCP was deciding what to do with us, had the required 60 consecutive days in alliance. If you had noticed that you were fielding 101 points before the match begun (STILL your responsibility...not Claw's) then more than likely you would have been given a bit more leniency. Eve is generally a game that punishes the stupid move. What makes you think that crying and pointing your fingers at the devs because life isn't fair and it was deemed that rol's infraction, WHICH IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT INFRACTION THAN YOURS, means that yours should go unpunished will generate the level of sympathy obviously believe you deserve? FFS stop posting with your alts.
Orvar Skallespjut	Posted - 2010.06.14 07:28:00 - [90] crying worked for you didnt it?
Anonymous Player	Posted - 2010.06.14 07:46:00 - [91] Originally by: Tertiacero Oh wow, this thread is comedy gold! Are you all the same person or what? The fact is that CCP Claw has done a far better job getting and keeping this tournament together than any of us have any realistic reason to expect. For all the infractions of the rules so far he has responded with very fair decisions. The difference between the other two cases (VOLTRON and ROL) and the Kadeshi make this whole whinefest unimportant. As soon as we realized that something was horribly wrong we petitioned and mailed the hell out of any CCP employee we thought might have some ability to help us and ACTUALLY BEGGED ON THE FORUMS for CCP Claw to allow us to compete. Every one of our pilots would have, if not for that couple of days when CCP was deciding what to do with us, had the required 60 consecutive days in alliance. If you had noticed that you were fielding 101 points before the match begun (STILL your responsibility...not Claw's) then more than likely you would have been given a bit more leniency. Eve is generally a game that punishes the stupid move. What makes you think that crying and pointing your fingers at the devs because life isn't fair and it was deemed that rol's infraction, WHICH IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT INFRACTION THAN YOURS, means that yours should go unpunished will generate the level of sympathy obviously believe you deserve? FFS stop posting with your alts. To take the words out of your corp: Shut up and play. I'm not an alt for any of the involved alliances. As far as with WFV, you all knew the rules of the tournament and chose to leave your alliance and rejoin for whatever reason. If that's the case, then you should be DQ'd because, again to take words from you, it is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to stay in the alliance until the tournament. It wasn't a surprise rule sprung on you. You knew ahead of time. However! ROL was an established alliance that existed for longer than 60 days, and thus should not have been allowed to compete with a newer player. They had plenty of other players to choose from. The reason this situation shouldn't be allowed, is because if you have an alliance that is in the AT, and has some good pilots, they could gather other good pilots from other alliances to form a "super team" of some of the best pilots with a very good chance of winning. The pilots would then get the prizes (I BPC with x number of runs, or whatever, and split the rewards.) Also, I do think that Kadeshi should be punished. If you read my posts, you'll see that I want rules to be followed. I don't want Kadeshi to get off scott-free. I also believe Agony Empire should be have their first round win revoked, because it should not be possible to simply get dominated and just buy the win as was the case. They'd have gotten 0 points if they didn't pay for a win. It's despicable that such a thing was allowed to happen.
Tertiacero Caldari Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.06.14 07:53:00 - [92] Originally by: Anonymous Player Originally by: Tertiacero Oh wow, this thread is comedy gold! Are you all the same person or what? The fact is that CCP Claw has done a far better job getting and keeping this tournament together than any of us have any realistic reason to expect. For all the infractions of the rules so far he has responded with very fair decisions. The difference between the other two cases (VOLTRON and ROL) and the Kadeshi make this whole whinefest unimportant. As soon as we realized that something was horribly wrong we petitioned and mailed the hell out of any CCP employee we thought might have some ability to help us and ACTUALLY BEGGED ON THE FORUMS for CCP Claw to allow us to compete. Every one of our pilots would have, if not for that couple of days when CCP was deciding what to do with us, had the required 60 consecutive days in alliance. If you had noticed that you were fielding 101 points before the match begun (STILL your responsibility...not Claw's) then more than likely you would have been given a bit more leniency. Eve is generally a game that punishes the stupid move. What makes you think that crying and pointing your fingers at the devs because life isn't fair and it was deemed that rol's infraction, WHICH IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT INFRACTION THAN YOURS, means that yours should go unpunished will generate the level of sympathy obviously believe you deserve? FFS stop posting with your alts. To take the words out of your corp: Shut up and play. I'm not an alt for any of the involved alliances. As far as with WFV, you all knew the rules of the tournament and chose to leave your alliance and rejoin for whatever reason. If that's the case, then you should be DQ'd because, again to take words from you, it is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to stay in the alliance until the tournament. It wasn't a surprise rule sprung on you. You knew ahead of time. However! ROL was an established alliance that existed for longer than 60 days, and thus should not have been allowed to compete with a newer player. They had plenty of other players to choose from. The reason this situation shouldn't be allowed, is because if you have an alliance that is in the AT, and has some good pilots, they could gather other good pilots from other alliances to form a "super team" of some of the best pilots with a very good chance of winning. The pilots would then get the prizes (I BPC with x number of runs, or whatever, and split the rewards.) Also, I do think that Kadeshi should be punished. If you read my posts, you'll see that I want rules to be followed. I don't want Kadeshi to get off scott-free. I also believe Agony Empire should be have their first round win revoked, because it should not be possible to simply get dominated and just buy the win as was the case. They'd have gotten 0 points if they didn't pay for a win. It's despicable that such a thing was allowed to happen. So basically what I got out of that is: "I'm not involved but I want things done my way or I'm going to cry for three forum pages so far." Got it, teach me to argue with an idiot.
Roemy Schneider Vanishing Point.	Posted - 2010.06.14 08:10:00 - [93] players "oops, honest mistake" CCP "don't worry about it, we can top that. observe!" - putting the gist back into logistics
Pinky Denmark The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.06.14 08:16:00 - [94] This tournament have run so much better than any other tournament I've witnessed... Great respect for the level of awesomeness created by "The Claw!!" The rulings so far IMO seems not 100% perfect, but it's damn close and the rulings go within the intentions of the rules which makes sense. Pinky - I'm a nice guy!! But plz hook me up with some pew pew...
Shade Millith Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.06.14 08:41:00 - [95] Originally by: Anonymous Player Hurf So basicly, you're not involved, in any way shape or form. Most of the other competing teams have said "Fair deal" on the way that ROL's one pilot was handled, most of the other teams have said "Fair deal" on the way that Voltron was handled. And the other teams have said "Fair deal" on how Kadeshi was penalised. But apparently a few NPC corp alt posters/Kadeshi pilots are now angry that Kadeshi got found breaking a rule and got a slap on the wrist. Would you rather CCP Claw have decided that Kadeshi should be DQ from the next tourny? ------------------------
the Whitenoise	Posted - 2010.06.14 08:49:00 - [96] just a small thing people are going on about Claw being inconsistent in his adjudication of penalties in he docks points from Kad and just wrist slaps RED, the rules say all punishments are up to him and at his discretion, there is no promise of consistency, balance or fairness, its there in the rules that CCPClaw may punish any rules violation to his own personal whim, so in a sense he is PERFECTLY within the rules of the tourney, now if you want to campaign for the Tourney 9 rules creating a standard format for penalties and impartial adjudication fair enough but this time round feel the CLAWBAT and btw that moa was only going to explode in the next 10min if he flew out of bounds
Raeza Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2010.06.14 09:15:00 - [97] Originally by: the Whitenoise just a small thing people are going on about Claw being inconsistent in his adjudication of penalties in he docks points from Kad and just wrist slaps RED, the rules say all punishments are up to him and at his discretion, there is no promise of consistency, balance or fairness, its there in the rules that CCPClaw may punish any rules violation to his own personal whim, so in a sense he is PERFECTLY within the rules of the tourney, now if you want to campaign for the Tourney 9 rules creating a standard format for penalties and impartial adjudication fair enough but this time round feel the CLAWBAT and btw that moa was only going to explode in the next 10min if he flew out of bounds ^This
Lady Janey	Posted - 2010.06.14 09:19:00 - [98] Edited by: Lady Janey on 14/06/2010 09:23:01 Originally by: the Whitenoise just a small thing people are going on about Claw being inconsistent in his adjudication of penalties in he docks points from Kad and just wrist slaps RED, the rules say all punishments are up to him and at his discretion, there is no promise of consistency, balance or fairness, its there in the rules that CCPClaw may punish any rules violation to his own personal whim, so in a sense he is PERFECTLY within the rules of the tourney, now if you want to campaign for the Tourney 9 rules creating a standard format for penalties and impartial adjudication fair enough but this time round feel the CLAWBAT and btw that moa was only going to explode in the next 10min if he flew out of bounds this... goes to show how biased CCP Claw is in regards to ROL and WFV, due to having friends in both those alliances. Pity the Kadeshi have no CCP alts / friends otherwise they wouldn't have been docked any points either.
the Whitenoise	Posted - 2010.06.14 09:26:00 - [99] personally i think the next punishment Claw hands out should be the offending alliance team is forced to enter all future tournaments under the name Priscilla the Amazing Space Hampster now that would be awesome and even with ccp alts Kadeshi still would have lost cause nothing short of a triage carrier was going to win them that fight
Nkalv Fina Flickor Fiser Inte	Posted - 2010.06.14 09:30:00 - [100] Originally by: the Whitenoise and even with ccp alts Kadeshi still would have lost cause nothing short of a triage carrier was going to win them that fight Did you miss the fact that if it wasnt for the points penalty they would have gone thru?
the Whitenoise	Posted - 2010.06.14 09:33:00 - [101] i thought points wise Kad are 34, with ten more points i dont think they displace 32 but i dont know i havnt seen a points chart
Nkalv Fina Flickor Fiser Inte	Posted - 2010.06.14 09:42:00 - [102] Originally by: the Whitenoise i thought points wise Kad are 34, with ten more points i dont think they displace 32 but i dont know i havnt seen a points chart https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AjTVURCMvR8adGU5WnB1X09xNGN0N0YzeWt4Y3lHV2c&hl=en&output=html whitout the penalty they would of been ranked 28
Abrazzar	Posted - 2010.06.14 09:55:00 - [103] ITT: People jumping up and down, flapping with their arms and making crow noises. -------- All I want is a better mankind.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.14 09:56:00 - [104] Originally by: Nkalv Originally by: the Whitenoise i thought points wise Kad are 34, with ten more points i dont think they displace 32 but i dont know i havnt seen a points chart https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AjTVURCMvR8adGU5WnB1X09xNGN0N0YzeWt4Y3lHV2c&hl=en&output=html whitout the penalty they would of been ranked 28 How would they have ranked if the match had gone on and they had lost those last two ships? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Nkalv Fina Flickor Fiser Inte	Posted - 2010.06.14 09:58:00 - [105] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Nkalv Originally by: the Whitenoise i thought points wise Kad are 34, with ten more points i dont think they displace 32 but i dont know i havnt seen a points chart https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AjTVURCMvR8adGU5WnB1X09xNGN0N0YzeWt4Y3lHV2c&hl=en&output=html whitout the penalty they would of been ranked 28 How would they have ranked if the match had gone on and they had lost those last two ships? You dont lose points from lost ships.
ThrashPower Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.06.14 10:41:00 - [106] kinda unfair that the kadeshi team is penalized imo, rol cheated twice and received no penalties we can assume both teams cheated deliberately also.

CCP Soundwave C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.14 11:20:00 - [107] Let's talk about what's really important here: Who will be the first team to win with Lavens?

Tertiacero Caldari Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.06.14 11:22:00 - [108] Edited by: Tertiacero on 14/06/2010 11:24:39 Originally by: CCP Soundwave Let's talk about what's really important here: Who will be the first team to win with Lavens? LazorRokhs are far superior imo. Edited for Linky
the Whitenoise	Posted - 2010.06.14 11:27:00 - [109] yes any team that can win a match with lravens lasrohk's should get a special prize of a veldnaught of their choice
Suki Starjet DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.14 13:45:00 - [110] Originally by: Derwent Originally by: CCP Claw The simple fact is that Dystopia demolished you and you had an extra point; you barely killed the ships you did as is, and you were not going to kill anything else (which is why the match was stopped). This is called adjudication. Honestly, you're lucky you got as many points as you did, as without that Taranis charge (if we'd removed a ship before the match) you probably wouldn't have had the Basilisk either. Anyway, yes i should have spotted it before the match, but that doesnt excuse an illegal setup. well, FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU there, there
Torquil Noble Caldari Giant Toads Ate my Pod	Posted - 2010.06.14 14:41:00 - [111] Originally by: CCP Claw The Kadeshi fielded an illegal 101 point team. Though it is unlikely the result of the match would have been affected by this 1 point, the tiebreak points easily could have been, so that Kadeshi have been penalised 10 points. This is a shame, as I thought this match and the previous one between 'Agony Empire and Ushra'Khan' were the best two of the afternoon... although seeing your Erebus Titan show up was a treat... Sometimes the road seems long, and then you realise you're on a roundabout
methodmo Free Lapland The Kadeshi	Posted - 2010.06.14 15:20:00 - [112] well seems our team made a f***up math wise,however the gm always inspects the setups before the match..they do that every year with all teams.if a setup has an illegal mod fitted it will be removed and if a setup is'nt correct pointwise 1 of the ships will be excluded. in this case the gm aproved the setup before the match meaning u r cleared to play. now since kadeshi got cut off with 9 minutes left and with aproval of a gm that aproved the fit..the 9 missing minutes have to be compensated..so either replay the match completely or remove the penalty the team got meaning kadeshi goes thrue to the next round....
Dunkin McLoud	Posted - 2010.06.14 15:35:00 - [113] Originally by: methodmo well seems our team made a f***up math wise,however the gm always inspects the setups before the match..they do that every year with all teams.if a setup has an illegal mod fitted it will be removed and if a setup is'nt correct pointwise 1 of the ships will be excluded. in this case the gm aproved the setup before the match meaning u r cleared to play. now since kadeshi got cut off with 9 minutes left and with aproval of a gm that aproved the fit..the 9 missing minutes have to be compensated..so either replay the match completely or remove the penalty the team got meaning kadeshi goes thrue to the next round.... Maybe your entire alliance should uninstall eve to show CCP how serious you are
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.14 15:46:00 - [114] Originally by: the Whitenoise ACtually yes with 10 more points space police would have been bumped in favcur of Kadeshi hate to say it but im happier this way actually space police are ranked below kadeshi at number 34 - you might be confused by leguinea romana advancing with 125 points due to their 2 wins
the Whitenoise	Posted - 2010.06.14 15:59:00 - [115] yes the first spreadsheet link someone posted was fail with bad math on it, as that one had the Romanians waay down i guess that table was how they wished the points were, but yeah as to all this blah blah it was approved, please stop kadesh its simple 1. The refs not catching you pre-match doesn't matter the rules don't say if we don't notice by X ah well roll on, the rules say break rules get penalty 2. The rules say Penalties are whatever Claw says they are, as i said before if you want to campaign for standardized penalties in the future and clear rules for regulating the tournament fair do, submit it in the audience hall and make a non biased case, youll quite likely get my support not because i think Claw is biased or bribeable, but because it leaves things in one person's whim which can be subject to outside events, (if its a good or bad day for him) as for now quiet child if you had got through odds are one of the ACTUALLY GOOD teams would have kicked your ass's seven ways to sunset in the first elimination stage
Nkalv Fina Flickor Fiser Inte	Posted - 2010.06.14 16:09:00 - [116] Originally by: the Whitenoise yes the first spreadsheet link someone posted was fail with bad math on it, as that one had the Romanians waay down No the spreadsheet posted was correct you just couldnt read it right. go back and check.
Jieter	Posted - 2010.06.14 17:06:00 - [117] I think the point is that ROL would have done just as well with any other pilot in the matches, as where Kadeshi could they have gotten enough kills to still have put them through to the end with a ship missing? probably not and even if so they only got enough points to be qualified from getting kills in the game the fielded too many ships... anyways im glad they let the ROL games go as well as kadeshis because they were good matches to watch oh well people are still advancing based off skill be it at space ships or math.
sliver 0xD exiles. The Kadeshi	Posted - 2010.06.14 17:16:00 - [118] Originally by: CCP Claw The simple fact is that Dystopia demolished you and you had an extra point; you barely killed the ships you did as is, and you were not going to kill anything else (which is why the match was stopped). This is called adjudication. Honestly, you're lucky you got as many points as you did, as without that Taranis charge (if we'd removed a ship before the match) you probably wouldn't have had the Basilisk either. Anyway, yes i should have spotted it before the match, but that doesnt excuse an illegal setup. no it does not excuse the illegal setup. we deserve a full penelty. but the fact that u saw it to late and that u paniced makes a exelent excuse for a double penelty ? --- Somebody needs a hug!
Andrea Griffin	Posted - 2010.06.14 17:20:00 - [119] Originally by: Tertiacero Originally by: CCP Soundwave Let's talk about what's really important here: Who will be the first team to win with Lavens? LazorRokhs are far superior imo. I see your LazerRokh and raise you an Artygeddon.
Derwent Free Lapland The Kadeshi	Posted - 2010.06.14 18:20:00 - [120] Originally by: CCP Soundwave Let's talk about what's really important here: Who will be the first team to win with Lavens? Stay on topic...
Terranid Meester Tactical Assault and Recon Unit	Posted - 2010.06.14 19:18:00 - [121] Edited by: Terranid Meester on 14/06/2010 19:18:36 Originally by: methodmo clutching at straws Why would they let you through when you had an illegal setup regardless of the fact that they and you missed it at the begining?
Conmen Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.06.14 19:59:00 - [122] Originally by: Shade Millith Points rule : To stop teams feilding too many points 60 day rule : To stop alt teams. Both have been upheld to the spirit of the rule. Don't like it? Go away. This man is the hero of the land BEARCITY
Nkalv Fina Flickor Fiser Inte	Posted - 2010.06.14 20:47:00 - [123] Originally by: Shade Millith spirit of the rule. spirit of the rule? Hold one let me get my bong and Grateful Dead t-shirt. So we have gone from american idol judges to hippie court, awsome i can relate more to that.
Edna Sputum Blueprint Haus Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2010.06.14 21:07:00 - [124] I feel the Kadeshi's pain. but if the positions were reversed, teh kadeshi would be at the front of the line calling for Dystopia to be booted from the tournament. ________________ You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted and used against you. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1282973W
Nkalv Fina Flickor Fiser Inte	Posted - 2010.06.14 21:14:00 - [125] The point deduction doesnt matter to dystopia. Its OWN Alliance that benefit from it.
Dunkin McLoud	Posted - 2010.06.14 21:25:00 - [126] Originally by: Nkalv Originally by: Shade Millith spirit of the rule. spirit of the rule? Hold one let me get my bong and Grateful Dead t-shirt. So we have gone from american idol judges to hippie court, awsome i can relate more to that. Yes the spirit of the rule Voltron got disbanded because someone got ****y. They got to reform and CCP decided to not let 1 person screw up something like this. Red Overlord. A single guy who wasnt suppose to be in the game. You had a entire SHIP that wasnt suppose to be their. that is a huge advantage compared to a pilot since they could have grabbed anyone else from their alliance. Anyways the rule was to stop what happend last time, which was the 1st time they got rid of the 1st come 1st server rule for the Tournment spots. People made alt alliances to increase their chances on getting a spot. One alliance even sold their spot to allow a team to join and play in the tournement. So to make it fair for everyone they decided to make the 60day alliance rule so alt alliances could not be formed just to increase someones chances of getting a spot.(not what red overlord did)
Nkalv Fina Flickor Fiser Inte	Posted - 2010.06.14 21:30:00 - [127] Pass me what ever it is your smokeing cus its clearly stronger then my ****.
Anonymous Player	Posted - 2010.06.15 00:05:00 - [128] Originally by: Shade Millith Originally by: Anonymous Player Hurf So basicly, you're not involved, in any way shape or form. Most of the other competing teams have said "Fair deal" on the way that ROL's one pilot was handled, most of the other teams have said "Fair deal" on the way that Voltron was handled. And the other teams have said "Fair deal" on how Kadeshi was penalised. But apparently a few NPC corp alt posters/Kadeshi pilots are now angry that Kadeshi got found breaking a rule and got a slap on the wrist. Would you rather CCP Claw have decided that Kadeshi should be DQ from the next tourny? I didn't say I wasn't involved in any way, shape or form. I said I was not an alt for any of the involved alliances, IE ROL, WFV, Kadeshi, or Agony. Or even for any of the teams who would make it if those four were DQ'd. There is a big difference between not being an alt of an alliance involved with underhanded dealings, and not being involved in any way.
Anonymous Player	Posted - 2010.06.15 00:13:00 - [129] Originally by: Dunkin McLoud Originally by: Nkalv Originally by: Shade Millith spirit of the rule. spirit of the rule? Hold one let me get my bong and Grateful Dead t-shirt. So we have gone from american idol judges to hippie court, awsome i can relate more to that. Yes the spirit of the rule Voltron got disbanded because someone got **y. They got to reform and CCP decided to not let 1 person screw up something like this. Red Overlord. A single guy who wasnt suppose to be in the game. You had a entire SHIP that wasnt suppose to be their. that is a huge advantage compared to a pilot since they could have grabbed anyone else from their alliance. Anyways the rule was to stop what happend last time, which was the 1st time they got rid of the 1st come 1st server rule for the Tournment spots. People made alt alliances to increase their chances on getting a spot. One alliance even sold their spot to allow a team to join and play in the tournement.** So to make it fair for everyone they decided to make the 60day alliance rule so alt alliances could not be formed just to increase someones chances of getting a spot.(not what red overlord did) Is selling a spot so someone can compete somehow worse than selling an actual WIN in the tournament? Wow, that makes a lot of sense. If the team bought their way into the tournament and won, well they deserved to be in there obviously. If a team buys a win from another alliance (After letting the other alliance get maximum points) so both alliances get into the next round, while an alliance that played FAIRLY does not get in, that is a sham and a farce. There is no "competition" in this tournament, it's just a farce to see who gets CCP Claw off the best. Keep hanging around down there on your knees, kids. CCP Claw is apparently very pleased with what you are doing.
Shade Millith Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.06.15 01:19:00 - [130] Originally by: Anonymous Player Originally by: Shade Millith Originally by: Anonymous Player Hurf So basicly, you're not involved, in any way shape or form. Most of the other competing teams have said "Fair deal" on the way that ROL's one pilot was handled, most of the other teams have said "Fair deal" on the way that Voltron was handled. And the other teams have said "Fair deal" on how Kadeshi was penalised. But apparently a few NPC corp alt posters/Kadeshi pilots are now angry that Kadeshi got found breaking a rule and got a slap on the wrist. Would you rather CCP Claw have decided that Kadeshi should be DQ from the next tourny? I didn't say I wasn't involved in any way, shape or form. I said I was not an alt for any of the involved alliances, IE ROL, WFV, Kadeshi, or Agony. Or even for any of the teams who would make it if those four were DQ'd. There is a big difference between not being an alt of an alliance involved with underhanded dealings, and not being involved in any way. Then post with your main. Seriously, if you're gonna complain like this, have the balls to post with your main, and not an alt. Either put your money where your mouth is (Or in this case, your main/corp/alliance), or shut up. ------------------------
Normin Bates	Posted - 2010.06.15 01:48:00 - [131] You read the rules (I assume ) You got caught cheating (Intentional or not) You point fingers at other teams who broke different rules in an attempt to discredit Claw. (You failed at that BTW. The rules state he can hand out whatever penalty he wants and you can't appeal it. You read the rules didn't you?) Learn to count FFS and take your smack on the peepee like a man.
Jieter	Posted - 2010.06.15 01:52:00 - [132] Originally by: Anonymous Player Originally by: Dunkin McLoud Originally by: Nkalv Originally by: Shade Millith spirit of the rule. spirit of the rule? Hold one let me get my bong and Grateful Dead t-shirt. So we have gone from american idol judges to hippie court, awsome i can relate more to that. Yes the spirit of the rule Voltron got disbanded because someone got **y. They got to reform and CCP decided to not let 1 person screw up something like this. Red Overlord. A single guy who wasnt suppose to be in the game. You had a entire SHIP that wasnt suppose to be their. that is a huge advantage compared to a pilot since they could have grabbed anyone else from their alliance. Anyways the rule was to stop what happend last time, which was the 1st time they got rid of the 1st come 1st server rule for the Tournment spots. People made alt alliances to increase their chances on getting a spot. One alliance even sold their spot to allow a team to join and play in the tournement.** So to make it fair for everyone they decided to make the 60day alliance rule so alt alliances could not be formed just to increase someones chances of getting a spot.(not what red overlord did) Is selling a spot so someone can compete somehow worse than selling an actual WIN in the tournament? Wow, that makes a lot of sense. If the team bought their way into the tournament and won, well they deserved to be in there obviously. If a team buys a win from another alliance (After letting the other alliance get maximum points) so both alliances get into the next round, while an alliance that played FAIRLY does not get in, that is a sham and a farce. There is no "competition" in this tournament, it's just a farce to see who gets CCP Claw off the best. Keep hanging around down there on your knees, kids. CCP Claw is apparently very pleased with what you are doing. O.o since when was paying people off not a fair thing in eve o.O did i miss something?
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.06.15 03:38:00 - [133] All this talk of Kadeshi losing to blaster moas and blaster rokhs neglects to acknowledge one thing: Our Worms had salvagers instead of weapons.
An Anarchyyt Gallente GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.06.15 03:54:00 - [134] Given the difference in penalties here, I, the official Goonswarm representative, demand a retroactive bonus from our honest mistake, rather than the blatant cheating here. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Widemouth Deepthroat	Posted - 2010.06.15 04:33:00 - [135] I feel Kadeshi deserve an even harsher penalty for obviously intentional cheating. Perhaps give all team member 5bil negative wallets or some other such punishment.
Ty'lem Vek	Posted - 2010.06.15 14:58:00 - [136] Originally by: Normin Bates You read the rules (I assume ) You got caught cheating (Intentional or not) You point fingers at other teams who broke different rules in an attempt to discredit Claw. (You failed at that BTW. The rules state he can hand out whatever penalty he wants and you can't appeal it. You read the rules didn't you?) Learn to count FFS and take your smack on the peepee like a man. Actually, you entirely miss the point. No one was caught cheating at the time of the infraction. The Kadeshi commited a minor infraction by fielding a team which was one point over the maximum allowed. As a result of this, their match was stopped before the time limit was reached, AND they were docked ten points. Meanwhile, RED.OVERLORD commited a similar minor infraction in not ONE match but TWO and were allowed to continue on into the finals "in the spirit" of the tournament. BOTH teams broke the rules, spirit be damned, and yet the team punished most severely are actually newcomers to the tournament. Meanwhile, tournament veterans are let off with an "Aww, you didn't read the rules and fielded an invalid character for BOTH of your matches.. that's so cute." That's pretty messed up right there.. Kadeshi - GJ in your first AT, but you have to work on your bedside manner. P.S. - Viper ****zle: Even if Minigin cries on teamspeak, you're still one of the worst poasters in EVE history. Enjoy that. Quick, someone tell me to post with my main..
darius mclever	Posted - 2010.06.15 15:03:00 - [137] this wasn't kadeshi's first tournament.
Estios Destructive Influence IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.15 15:03:00 - [138] 5 pages? Didnt Viper win thread on page 1 with a post pointing out you are awful, cheated, and then still lost..... So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.15 15:05:00 - [139] The Kadeshi aren't newcomers to the tourney, they've been in like 3 or more counting this one. What does ROL have to do with this anyway ? Completely different rule violations and situations, different vioalations merit different penalties. PS; viper is terrible
Ty'lem Vek	Posted - 2010.06.15 15:18:00 - [140] Edited by: Ty''lem Vek on 15/06/2010 15:21:06 Not disagreeing with you there.. but they were both relatively minor infractions.. I just find it odd that one team got the peepee slap o' Doom from Claw, and the other got.. well, nothing. Also, just to clarify my noobishness - I really thought this was Kadeshi's first tournament.. I mean, that IS why they did so poorly, right? I did, however, enjoy the all blaster Caldari team. I really don't think anyone saw that coming.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.15 15:35:00 - [141] Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 15/06/2010 15:37:11 -10 points isn't a big penalty :P it was just bad luck for kadeshi that it stopped them from advancing - that's not claw's fault and it doesn't make the punishment unreasonable you could argue that ROL's punishment is worse since they already trained that pilot and he's part of their team (possibly an important part) now he can't take part anymore and they have to find someone to replace him Would be crippling for us if all of a sudden we couldn't use the mighty NTRabbit on our teams
Lasakywa Section XIII	Posted - 2010.06.15 16:30:00 - [142] Originally by: Tertiacero Yo Kadeshi, you know who else should have noticed that you had 101 points on the field? YOU. I would have said Goon
Derwent Free Lapland The Kadeshi	Posted - 2010.06.15 17:43:00 - [143] It's dumb to think we cheated intentionally. If this was really the case do u really think we would cheat by fielding 1 extra point on the field? This was our 4th tourny we are fully aware of the rules and penalties I just think its **ed up to stop the match and deduct 10 points and its stings extra that if one of the two penelties would of not been implied we might of sailed thru to next round. The reason we did field 101 points however was due to me **ing up with a last minute intoxicated change. One of the two vagas was supose to be a huginn which is one less point but dumb as I was I didnt double check the points.
Azureite	Posted - 2010.06.15 18:03:00 - [144] I never thought I'd see the day when controversy struck EVE because players and CCP employees didn't use spreadsheets. C'mon, people. It would take, like, 2 minutes to make and 15 seconds to fill out for each fight. Not. That. Difficult.
Nkalv Fina Flickor Fiser Inte	Posted - 2010.06.15 19:02:00 - [145] Edited by: Nkalv on 15/06/2010 19:02:19 Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk you could argue that ROL's punishment is worse If ROL would have got -10 punishment they wouldnt have gone thru, so your gona have a hard time argueing that.
Shiverbrood Suspicious Packages The Kadeshi	Posted - 2010.06.15 19:30:00 - [146] While we have a well read thread about kadeshi i would like to announce we now offer math 101 classes.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.15 19:46:00 - [147] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk you could argue that ROL's punishment is worse If ROL would have got -10 punishment they wouldnt have gone thru, so your gona have a hard time argueing that. touchT i think we've all learned a valuable lesson here, don't lose matches and you won't have to worry about -10 points preventing you from advancing !
Jieter	Posted - 2010.06.15 19:52:00 - [148] Originally by: Nkalv Edited by: Nkalv on 15/06/2010 19:02:19 Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk you could argue that ROL's punishment is worse If ROL would have got -10 punishment they wouldnt have gone thru, so your gona have a hard time argueing that. if they got a -10 punishment the first time they would have been fighting LR instead of co2 which imo would have been better for them.
DONJUAN v Tarnak inc. The Kadeshi	Posted - 2010.06.15 20:14:00 - [149] i understand my alliance emo reaction to this topic but whats everyone else's excuse?
Care Bearington	Posted - 2010.06.15 21:39:00 - [150] In fairness, CCP are running the tourney so it's their rules. If you don't like it, complain about it more on the internet.

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