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Pattern Clarc
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Posted - 2011.09.23 00:04:00 -
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The moments that define history.
Hello New Eden.
Over the last several weeks we've been listening. We've been listening to the CSM, we've been listening to the greater player base, and we have also been listening to ourselves. For the last 24 months, we have over leveraged the resources of the resources we used to use to make the Eve you love great, to make an Eve we hoped others would love too.
And although we stand by our decision to do this, it has admittedly taken us longer to do, and has cost us more good will than had been planned.
We have learnt a lot from this process:
From now on we will have a reliable cycle of development featuring the Tick and the Tock
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That chart shows how we will develop from this point forward. We will have 2 major expansions every year, each with a different focus. The Winter expansion, AKA the "Tick", is when we will introduce new stuff into the game (like wormwholes and new game mechanics) that refresh and invigorate the experiences of players new and old. This doesn't mean that during these expansions we will completely halt development on iterating new features or WiS however:
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The above shows a rough split in terms of the impact the features we will deliver during Winter expansions. You may say "Way are you making new stuff when there's so many things to fix..." - Well the reality is that the expansions players all say were the best, were the ones where we introduced fundamental changes and additions to the way players play the game. Apocrypha with wormholes and Tech 3 was a prime example. However we also recognise upgrading and building upon many of things we've also introduced shouldn't be ignored...
And that will be precisely the focus of the "Tock", or the Summer Expansion. Here we will focus on upgrading and iterating on features we have already laid the foundations to and although balancing and bug fixes can and will happen throughout the year, the Summer expansions will receive an extra dose of them in the future.
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*Please note that relatively trivial, though important things can consume disproportionate amounts of developer resources and although be constantly looking at the potential impact to the game new features provide, we will not skirt from such things if they can provide meaningful improvements to players.
I'm really excited about our shift in focus, and I hope in the next few weeks, with all the cool stuff we're going to be talking about and showing you, you will be too...
More importantly, we want to show you that we have really learnt, and we have listened because Eve is coming back baby...
....Yeaaaah!
Arnar Hrafn Gylfason
Senior Producer of EVE Online
Essentially, what we wanted to read was some plan, a vision, something that merged the very best of what everyone wanted. Because beyond :18months:, we really don't know where eve is going, or how it will get there, and we're demoralised and nearing the point outrage exhaustion, which is one step away from not caring at all.
Ex CSM member and Designer of the Tornado. -á
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.09.23 00:10:00 -
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can I have same stuff what you have been...
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Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.09.23 00:10:00 -
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Fire Zulu, hire this dude.
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Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
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Posted - 2011.09.23 00:26:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:Fire Zulu, hire this dude.
Being a game dev isn't about just writing epic blogs, but it's just maddening sometimes when they are unable to form the words, backed by the actions, that would make you and I collectively **** in our boxers. 
Ex CSM member and Designer of the Tornado. -á
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex
Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2011.09.23 01:41:00 -
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Though with their switch to gradual rollout rather than big-bang rollout, the Tick and Tock would actually be regions on the graph, not single events.
Thus the "Tick" would be a (short) series of small red arrows, the "Tock" would be a (longer) series of small blue arrows, and there would be no green arrows because all the releases include necessary bug fixes and balance changes.
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Lord Helghast
Intergalactic Syndicate
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.09.23 01:44:00 -
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+1000000 * infinity to this post |
London
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Posted - 2011.09.23 02:14:00 -
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Jeeze, give them time. It must take a lot of effort for such a massive company to have such a shift in direction... They're essentially giving you (or about to..) give you want you want, and your still complaining... FFS
:P
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MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.09.23 02:17:00 -
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Pattern Clarc wrote: Epic!
This!
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London
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Posted - 2011.09.23 02:25:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:
you have to admit though pattern clarc should be ccp editor in chief... his job would be taking devs ideas for blogs and writing them for them...
I'm sure we'll see something good, it's only been positive things coming out recently.
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Esperio Ferver
PhantomRebels
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Posted - 2011.09.23 02:40:00 -
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Well the Tick Tock strategy did work out for Intel.
Overall that approach does seem to fit well for large scale tech development, which in a way Eve is. |
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Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
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Posted - 2011.09.23 02:47:00 -
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Iam honestly waiting to see what type of shift they plan on doing. It is nice to see that CCP does finally somewhat "get it" and are refocusing priorities. At least thats what it seems to be. When it comes to the staggered rollout, big bang, tick tock systems its really hard to say which one is better from all perspectives. Tick tock to me seems like a good middle ground between staggered and big bang releases. The bad thing about the current system is that a staggered rollout is suppose to reduce bugs, or time it takes to fix bugs. However there is still constant patching, and bugs that go unchecked which shows the system isn't that great. |
Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
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Posted - 2011.09.23 03:03:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Pattern Clarc wrote: Epic! you have to admit though pattern clarc should be ccp editor in chief... his job would be taking devs ideas for blogs and writing them for them...
dyslexia and :words: are a bad mix as proven by the op tbh. 
Ex CSM member and Designer of the Tornado. -á
Pilot satisfaction --áNew Ships |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2011.09.23 03:11:00 -
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Anyone who doesn't realize the devblog is a result of an internal struggle hasn't been paying attention.
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Major Stallion
The Money Shot Inc.
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Posted - 2011.09.23 04:09:00 -
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surprised the OP wasnt loaded with "WHERE IS MY GOD DAMN TORNADO!?!?!?" |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
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Posted - 2011.09.23 08:15:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:Fire Zulu, hire this dude.
this.
+1 like, which is one thing I don't give much tbh
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[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote]
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DeBingJos
T.R.I.A.D
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Posted - 2011.09.23 08:24:00 -
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Epic blog +1
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Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2011.09.23 08:30:00 -
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Pattern Clarc wrote:Essentially, what we wanted to read was some plan, a vision, something that merged the very best of what everyone wanted. Because beyond :18months:, we really don't know where eve is going, or how it will get there, and we're demoralised and nearing the point outrage exhaustion, which is one step away from not caring at all.
Are you a dinosaur??? |
Froz3nEcho Sarain
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.23 08:38:00 -
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Jezus Christ people are still whining about this? Sure everyone could write a good blog MONTHS after that situation ended because an international company like CCP probably don't have people for communication right?
@CCP stop with the dev blogs and then suddenly release an awesome patch without notice. That will shut them up.
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-á-á~ Chaos is a name for any order that produces confusion in our minds ~ |
mkint
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Posted - 2011.09.23 08:41:00 -
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Froz3nEcho Sarain wrote:
@CCP stop with the dev blogs and then suddenly release an awesome patch without notice. That will shut them up.
What makes you think they are capable of this? What in their recent history gives any indication they are capable of putting together game mechanics that don't screw over huge portions of their customer base? What part of the last few years makes you think CCP is capable of operating intelligently without babysitters (a la the CSM at least)? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.09.23 09:56:00 -
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London wrote:Jeeze, give them time. It must take a lot of effort for such a massive company to have such a shift in direction... They're essentially giving you (or about to..) give you want you want, and your still complaining... FFS
:P
They're not that "massive" a company, and they've had well over a year to shift direction.
How much more time should they be allowed?
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.23 09:58:00 -
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Froz3nEcho Sarain wrote:Jezus Christ
That's my white rapper stage name.
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Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
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Posted - 2011.09.23 12:06:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Though with their switch to gradual rollout rather than big-bang rollout, the Tick and Tock would actually be regions on the graph, not single events.
Thus the "Tick" would be a (short) series of small red arrows, the "Tock" would be a (longer) series of small blue arrows, and there would be no green arrows because all the releases include necessary bug fixes and balance changes.
Continuous patching has problems including forcing players to wait several minutes once every few days before logging in.
But to be honest, don't get caught up on the specifics. I wanted to show what a CCP would/should do if they had a plan. The lack of "where are we going, and how will we get there" is the issue atm and the OP was one example of how this could be presented.
Ex CSM member and Designer of the Tornado. -á
Pilot satisfaction --áNew Ships |
Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.09.23 12:12:00 -
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That's a pretty good dev blog. Nice graphs. 
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Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.09.23 15:06:00 -
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OP there are too many words and not enough numbers. How many devs are going to be reassigned to core eve and how many are going to stay in incarna/dust/wod?
They can honestly say they are doing everything you propose and still not assign more than their skeleton crew of 7 or so devs working on core eve features. And the expansions will still suck.
I have had enough verbiage I want to see the numbers. Until then its just more of the same.
Add something like "Instead of having 70% of our devs working on incarna and 10% on FIS features we are going to have 10% working on incarna and 70% on fis features." and then I would be very happy.
Actually if they said that they wouldn't have to say anything else.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
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Posted - 2011.09.23 18:34:00 -
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Cearain wrote:OP there are too many words and not enough numbers. How many devs are going to be reassigned to core eve and how many are going to stay in incarna/dust/wod?
They can honestly say they are doing everything you propose and still not assign more than their skeleton crew of 7 or so devs working on core eve features. And the expansions will still suck.
I have had enough verbiage I want to see the numbers. Until then its just more of the same.
Add something like "Instead of having 70% of our devs working on incarna and 10% on FIS features we are going to have 10% working on incarna and 70% on fis features." and then I would be very happy.
Actually if they said that they wouldn't have to say anything else.
There is no real link between the amount of resources a specific feature requires and the impact that said feature would provide in terms of *changing the game*.
Instead, I deliberately focused on impact combining the realities of human nature and how the player base responds. Roughly speaking, 75% of the features in every major expansion will be FiS. Whether that's 10% of the resources available, or 90%, it shouldn't really matter, because at the end, we will judge them on what they deliver.
Ex CSM member and Designer of the Tornado. -á
Pilot satisfaction --áNew Ships |
Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
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Posted - 2011.09.23 18:35:00 -
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Seleene wrote:That's a pretty good dev blog. Nice graphs.
Why don't you tweet about it or something...
Ex CSM member and Designer of the Tornado. -á
Pilot satisfaction --áNew Ships |
Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.09.23 18:37:00 -
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Pattern Clarc wrote:Seleene wrote:That's a pretty good dev blog. Nice graphs. Why don't you tweet about it or something...
Done.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2011.09.23 19:05:00 -
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London wrote:Jeeze, give them time. It must take a lot of effort for such a massive company to have such a shift in direction... They're essentially giving you (or about to..) give you want you want, and your still complaining... FFS
:P
Where in the history of Eve and the actual execution of CCP in delivering anything can you make a case that there is any real shift in direction? There is no way they can back down on the resources that have applied to the new shiny of WOD and Dust. While there are magic people in Iceland there is no indication that they can do software and even if they went on a hiring binge they can't expect to get any new resources in place and productive for 6 months.
What we got was another placation, a content free blog and yet another promise of being listened to and a future of everything we want.
So to be clear, I really like the CCP dev and game design team, I was mostly OK with their stated direction so far, I am dissappointed in the slow delivery of the promise of WIS but I am more worried at them going off doing a bunch of nonsensical stuff in reaction to a loud minority voice!
I hate the recent ideas I've heardf about 0.0, the talk of nerfing WHs, the abandoment of FW, the total ignoring of low sec and the refusal to do even simple balancing with major classes of weapons like blasters.
CCP, if you want to impress us you won't ever again make a content free promise of something soon and awesome. State what you are going to do and when, then deliver what you say, in a completed form, we already have a universe full of half done or abandoned content.
If I was given CCP tomorrow, I'd roll the Eve content and mechanics back about 3 years, it was really fun then and then I'd rethink every new idea that was implemented since then and deliver them completed and implemented correctly. I'd take the pain to get cross alliance asset sharing right, I'd roll out POSs the way they should have been. I'd introduce capitals in a manner that didn't turn them in to blobbed "I win" buttons. And I'd evolve WIS as I redid all the FIS stuff.
So CCP, stop promising and start delivering COMPLETED BUG FREE content, then you will be my heros again.
Issler
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Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.09.23 19:53:00 -
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Pattern Clarc wrote:Cearain wrote:OP there are too many words and not enough numbers. How many devs are going to be reassigned to core eve and how many are going to stay in incarna/dust/wod?
They can honestly say they are doing everything you propose and still not assign more than their skeleton crew of 7 or so devs working on core eve features. And the expansions will still suck.
I have had enough verbiage I want to see the numbers. Until then its just more of the same.
Add something like "Instead of having 70% of our devs working on incarna and 10% on FIS features we are going to have 10% working on incarna and 70% on fis features." and then I would be very happy.
Actually if they said that they wouldn't have to say anything else.
There is no real link between the amount of resources a specific feature requires and the impact that said feature would provide in terms of *changing the game*. Instead, I deliberately focused on impact combining the realities of human nature and how the player base responds. Roughly speaking, 75% of the features in every major expansion will be FiS. Whether that's 10% of the resources available, or 90%, it shouldn't really matter, because at the end, we will judge them on what they deliver.
I disagree. There is a strong link between the resources given to FIS and the impact the FIS features have. If you read the minutes of the csm for the last year we hear again and again CCP agrees X needs work but they will not assign the resources to it.
After apoc they left very few devs working on FIS and the expansions were not surprisingly bad. They were the type of expansions that you woudl expect from a company that put very little resources into FIS. Now you may be able to count every minute change the last few expansions had and say "75% of the changes are in FIS" because that is nothing but a semantic shell game. But they would still be bad expansions. They were bad expansions because too few devs were working on FIS.
I can't say whether something will take allot of work or very little. But until they actually assign someone to do it, it won't get done.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Limitless Inc.
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Posted - 2011.09.23 19:57:00 -
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EVE, not Eve |
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