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Mazzarins Demise Profit Development and Research Association	Posted - 2010.06.26 19:51:00 - [1] For those who aren't aware of its existence, head over to the Dev Blog. Or click the link here. And the individual thread can be located here. In a nutshell, the Primae ship is one geared towards Planetary Interaction. CCP hasn't divulged what exactly it will do, but here is some writing from the dev posts hinting at what its use might be. Quote: The Primae is a repurposed ORE design intended to ease the task of extracting resources from planetbound environments. Initially devised as a deep space salvage vessel for large-scale ore retrieval from destroyed ORE fleets in pirate-occupied areas, its previous incarnation was made all but obsolete by the arrival of capsuleers on the interstellar scene. Realizing that the ship could, with a few minor modifications, be made into an efficient resource harvesting aid, ORE wasted no time in revamping the design. A low signature radius (a holdover from its earlier manifestation) adds a layer of defense to the Primaeæs already decent plating. In addition, the shipæs two large bays have been re-engineered to hold equipment for planetside resource extraction and processed materials, making it an especially useful complement to any planetside harvesting endeavor. As noted in the bolded text above, this ship might be able to efficiently hold large amounts of PI goods and modules, as well as being quick and hard to catch, making it potentially ideal for low-sec and null-sec PI logistics. Regrettably, CCP has said in several instances in the thread linked above that this ship will not be seeded on the market. They are a one-time gift. In my opinion, EVE can certainly benefit from a ship like this on a fairly large scale. With the efficient means of hauling large amounts of products, as well as a very low SP barrier of entry, which CCP has said that only PI skills are necessary to pilot, I propose this is one ship that shouldn't remain as a simple gift. The ship will most likely rot in station hangars as many pilots will be too afraid to take them out, as we saw with the other ship gifts. I propose that the blueprints should be seeded on the market, or BPCs and the ship itself be placed on ORE's LP store. If this doesn't happen, at least have its model re-purposed to be a dedicated salvage ship, which is something players have been asking for. Yay/Nay?
Stick Cult Unspoken Autonomy.	Posted - 2010.06.26 20:15:00 - [2] Edited by: Stick Cult on 26/06/2010 20:16:04 Nay. I think you are overestimating the use of the Primae over a normal hauler or a Blockade Runner. Of course, we don't know the stats yet, so this is all speculation. Seeding it will also make it less "special", and make it just yet another ship. edit: also, cross-posting is bad, mkay? Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
Caldreean Dawnwalkers	Posted - 2010.06.26 20:19:00 - [3] No. You have no idea what the ship will even do (bonuses, stats, slots, etc - and the SISI pics don't count) and you are already asking for a BPO. Does that not seem a LITTLE premature to you?
Mazzarins Demise Profit Development and Research Association	Posted - 2010.06.26 20:27:00 - [4] Edited by: Mazzarins Demise on 26/06/2010 20:27:02 Originally by: Caldreean No. You have no idea what the ship will even do (bonuses, stats, slots, etc - and the SISI pics don't count) and you are already asking for a BPO. Does that not seem a LITTLE premature to you? Not necessarily, the ship is coming in less than three days. It's a ship specifically designed to cater to the industrial side of EVE, one that lacks in ship-specific roles. The other ships that were given away for free, I'll agree, do not really need BPOs as there were 4 other types of shuttles and a ton of other cruisers. An industry ship on the other hand offers a plethora of uses, and only offering it once makes little sense.
Grarr Dexx Amarr GK inc.	Posted - 2010.06.26 20:36:00 - [5] Edited by: Grarr Dexx on 26/06/2010 20:36:33 Why can't you take solace in the fact that the ship is a one-time gift? When your family or friends give you a gift, do you whine and say that you want more? You ungrateful twit.
Imweasel09	Posted - 2010.06.26 20:43:00 - [6] Originally by: Grarr Dexx Edited by: Grarr Dexx on 26/06/2010 20:36:33 Why can't you take solace in the fact that the ship is a one-time gift? When your family or friends give you a gift, do you whine and say that you want more? You ungrateful twit. A BP is the difference between never seeing these ships undock and people actually using them.
Zavulon Sukkot Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2010.06.26 20:49:00 - [7] I think I like the idea of the ship. My magic 8-ball says outcome unlikely, but a ship capable of 'deep-space' salvage, as the 'original purpose' (lolRP?) indicated fro this ship was, would be made of win. How many man-hours went into the production of this anyway? NATI.
Messoroz	Posted - 2010.06.26 20:56:00 - [8] Edited by: Messoroz on 26/06/2010 21:00:44 Low and null aren't supposed to be newb friendly. But a salvage ship using the same model, sure why not.
Sim Cognito Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse True Reign	Posted - 2010.06.26 20:58:00 - [9] I fully agree.Besides all that work put into the EXCELLENT model would be wasted,and looking at models like the blackbird hull throwing the model away to a station hugging ship is unnacceptable.
Cyprus Black 4 wing Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2010.06.26 21:04:00 - [10] Edited by: Cyprus Black on 26/06/2010 21:07:09 Originally by: Caldreean No. You have no idea what the ship will even do (bonuses, stats, slots, etc - and the SISI pics don't count) and you are already asking for a BPO. Does that not seem a LITTLE premature to you? Well I dunno. If it's space worthy (i.e. not a novelty gank-me ship), then there should be BPOs on the market. Or at least some way to acquire more then the one each of us gets. ___________________________________ "In the land of predators, the lion does not fear the jackal." -Dexter
Nishachara Special Operations Corp Mortal Destruction	Posted - 2010.06.26 21:10:00 - [11] /supported Because i dont want to see that beautifull ship model go to waste as one time only gift that no one will ever use coz its unique.
Jeremiah Tameri Azon Consortium	Posted - 2010.06.26 21:23:00 - [12] Originally by: Imweasel09 A BP is the difference between never seeing these ships undock How about redeeming it... ... outside of a market hub? Crazy I know!
r33f4b Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace	Posted - 2010.06.26 21:27:00 - [13] The Primae should be kept as it is, no BPO of it should be necessary. But a salvaging ship based on its hull is an intriguing idea and I support the reuse of the work the Art Department has put on it for a variant on it.
Arboreal Feline Nondegradable Tritanium Space Rodents	Posted - 2010.06.26 21:46:00 - [14] Ore LP Store is good enough for me. Your signature was nothing more than an insult, and it had to go. Shadow.
Junkiloton	Posted - 2010.06.26 22:25:00 - [15] Prior to knowing actual stats, if the ships is a true industrial(aka useful in some manner to industry other than gimmicks) it needs to be replaceable. Industry has enough issues with keeping its stuff in one piece(highsec bot gankers who don't actually differentiate between players and bots, Hulkageddon 1-3, now w/ even more backing, general low/null d-baggery) without having to worry about novelty gankers blowing up their ships for the KM in ADDITION to the rest. So, depending on actual layout, it needs to be able to do one of the following: fit a tank and cloak + haul fit w/ LP BPCs available to replace it OR if it's basically a defenseless wreck-in-waiting, it needs a BPO if it serves any actual functionality. As has been stated numerous times, ANY novelty ship that undocks is basically a floating gank target, and no amount of defense will help it.
Jerico Lynx Amarr Deus Sol Invictus	Posted - 2010.06.26 23:16:00 - [16] Signed! and i want it as a salvage ship! ________________________________________________ Don't argue with idiots, they bring you down to their own level and beat you with experience. ================================================
Soapy5 Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2010.06.27 02:20:00 - [17] I prefer a salv version; but yes, ccp please seed bpc's for ore lp stores!
Jim Luc Caldari Rule of Five Lucky Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2010.06.27 04:09:00 - [18] Edited by: Jim Luc on 27/06/2010 04:09:32 Yay (signed) - At least release a BPO of a similar ship with the same hull. Nobody will use it if there's not even a rare chance of producing a BPO
Shawshanke	Posted - 2010.06.27 05:19:00 - [19] Maybe CCP hasn't realized this yet but salvage and the rigs are a large part of this game. People have been asking for a salvaging ship for years because our alternatives are annoying to use... and I've used all of them and am at the point of considering using a T3 rigged and subbed for salvaging to take some headache out of looting. Worthless free gift I care not for, I would have rather the time have been spent on a useful ship. This ship looks nice and I'd like to see a salvage variant on the market.
Abuta Beki	Posted - 2010.06.27 06:13:00 - [20] Edited by: Abuta Beki on 27/06/2010 06:12:45 Either a ship is rare (under 1000) or very rare (under 100) OR it is everywhere (BPO). A ship that everybody gets once is just junk. Complete and utter garbage. It is nothing really special because everyone gets one, yet it is nothing truly useful, since it can't be replaced reasonably. Why add a well designed and cool looking ship to the game and then cripple it's usefulness? Then there is also the gank factor. If ships can't be replaced, there will be a lot of ganks targeting them and that will hurt new players most, as older characters have the money to replace it if they want to, simply by buying it insanely overpriced via contract market. Things that do more harm to the new player experience than the good they do to old player experience are not good for the game. Why not add a BPC to the mining corps' loyalty stores, like with other faction ships?
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2010.06.27 08:25:00 - [21] Originally by: Imweasel09 Edited by: Imweasel09 on 26/06/2010 20:50:36 Originally by: Grarr Dexx Edited by: Grarr Dexx on 26/06/2010 20:36:33 Why can't you take solace in the fact that the ship is a one-time gift? When your family or friends give you a gift, do you whine and say that you want more? You ungrateful twit. A BP is the difference between never seeing these ships undock and people actually using them. This. I would like a different skin for the seeded version, maybe a Mark II model with slightly different stats, but if the ship do what it is advertised for it would be interesting to have the BPO available or to have a BPC offer from the ORE LP store.
Marlona Sky D00M. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.06.27 09:47:00 - [22] No. I look forward to the millions upon millions of tears come July 29th and beyond.
RootEmerger	Posted - 2010.06.27 11:11:00 - [23] While the "gift issue" should be unique (or as unique as it can be while gifted to any and every EVE active player...), I dont see why they shouldnt seed "market issue" bpos, with different colours and ****... Even the Zephir could have its niche if its built in numbers and not an irreplaceable collecting toy. ---------------------------------------------- If this were played upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction.
Crazy KSK	Posted - 2010.06.27 13:26:00 - [24] yes seed bpo's / LP store bpc's and change the stats to something that is actually usefully 100m3 cargo is a joke Originally by: Qoi (from the dev blog) I looked at it on SISI: Fitting Attributes Description
Tharill daSai Humanum Erectum Axiom Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.27 13:38:00 - [25] Usefull ships should always be able to be built, and not saved in an hangar somewhere
Borgholio Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2010.06.27 16:36:00 - [26] /signed If this was simply a neat little shuttle or a pleasure yacht, then making it a one-time gift makes sense. However, this appears to be a useful ship with a practical purpose. Having a truly useful ship that can never be undocked for fear of imminent death is a bit of a cruel joke. :) This ship needs to be replaceable if you actually expect people to use it. ----------------------------------- You will be assimilated...bunghole!
Persephone Astrid The Bastards	Posted - 2010.06.27 19:52:00 - [27] Please seed as BPOs in an LP store, or similar. Otherwise nobody will be willing to risk flying their irreplaceable ship. Persephone + Scorpion = Perscorpion!
Illrean	Posted - 2010.06.27 20:22:00 - [28] Indeed, I would like to see a blueprint of this available somehow.
Seamus Donohue	Posted - 2010.06.27 20:36:00 - [29] Supported. Additionally, I also advocate a similar approach with the Zephyr. All the Zephyr's I have I treat as collector's items. They don't get undocked, except in repackaged form in the cargohold of a well-tanked battleship. If there were BPOs or Loyalty Point store BPCs, then I might actually use them for something. __________________________________________________ Survivor of Teskanen, fan of John Rourke.
Jagga Spikes Spikes Chop Shop	Posted - 2010.06.27 20:54:00 - [30] yay for more industrial ships ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon."

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