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Soltiar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.02 20:35:00 -
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Hello I might be sort of new but I was wondering what exactly is happening in the Amarr Vs. Minmatar Faction Warfare? and why exactly are the Minmatar losing plexes and territory all of sudden right now?
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Ralnik
Mutineers
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Posted - 2010.07.02 20:55:00 -
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Edited by: Ralnik on 02/07/2010 21:01:14
In the past Amarr have always had a more dominant plexing force after down time, which is when it matters the most. Minmatar for the most part never really cared about plexing but still managed to keep Amarr DT plexers at bay because of a small group of dedicated plexers.
Recently the Pervs whom were the major plexers for Caldari, were getting their butts kicked on the plexing front over in the Caldari v Gallente front because it seems most of Caldari didn't like plexing anymore. They have since moved to the Minmatar vs Amarr front joining the Amarr to secure another easy medal it appears.
Adding to this I think one or two of the dedicated Minmatar plexers switched sides to the Amarr and at least one other left FW all together, which pretty much gives Amarr free reign to go win a medal. Not to down play any Minmatar, that are still trying hard, but they are just out numbered in a big way and plexing is a numbers game.
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Oddymandius
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2010.07.02 22:44:00 -
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It doesn't help that Pervs fly around in faction-fit Dramiels and Fleet cruisers while the Mimatar post-DT gangs are mostly comprised of Tech 1 frigates and thrashers. 
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Gymm
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Posted - 2010.07.04 16:54:00 -
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Eran Mintor switched sides from Minnie to Amarr a few months back. Post DT hasn't been the same since.
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Dunn Idaho
Caldari
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.07.04 17:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Oddymandius
It doesn't help that Pervs fly around in faction-fit Dramiels and Fleet cruisers while the Mimatar post-DT gangs are mostly comprised of Tech 1 frigates and thrashers.
Ship up then...
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Sneaky Noob
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.07.04 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Dunn Idaho
Originally by: Oddymandius
It doesn't help that Pervs fly around in faction-fit Dramiels and Fleet cruisers while the Mimatar post-DT gangs are mostly comprised of Tech 1 frigates and thrashers.
Ship up then...
yeah cause that's gonna happen...
also, plax plex plix plox plux.
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Cardinal Bladfard
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Posted - 2010.07.05 06:52:00 -
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most of the amarr are just bored and go plexing while the minnis spin their crap fitted ships in auga waiting for cpt vag*na to build a huge blob (wich fails afterwards).
the minnis then jump around in their t1 fitted thrashers and get beaten up by us.
exception are ice f*g warrior. their ships are lolfitted aswell but at least you can loot t2 from them.
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Ophias
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Posted - 2010.07.05 11:56:00 -
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PERVS swapped from Caldari to Amarr.
They spend all their time plexing. They are very good at it.
The End.
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Sneaky Noob
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.07.05 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Cardinal Bladfard
most of the amarr are just bored and go plexing while the minnis spin their crap fitted ships in auga waiting for cpt vag*na to build a huge blob (wich fails afterwards).
the minnis then jump around in their t1 fitted thrashers and get beaten up by us.
exception are ice f*g warrior. their ships are lolfitted aswell but at least you can loot t2 from them.
I recommend Anger Management.
The Sneakiest Noob in all of EVE |
Lord Meriak
Amarr
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.07.06 09:53:00 -
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The Amarr, still the smallest miltia,
All this we dont want not bothered about plexing always comes from all sides when few systems our lost.
The amarr organised force.
The mins also run round in faction ship frigs & crus. dam fast ones.
This is the best conflict with the best history.
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2010.07.06 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ralnik
Edited by: Ralnik on 02/07/2010 21:01:14
In the past Amarr have always had a more dominant plexing force after down time, which is when it matters the most. Minmatar for the most part never really cared about plexing but still managed to keep Amarr DT plexers at bay because of a small group of dedicated plexers.
Recently the Pervs whom were the major plexers for Caldari, were getting their butts kicked on the plexing front over in the Caldari v Gallente front because it seems most of Caldari didn't like plexing anymore. They have since moved to the Minmatar vs Amarr front joining the Amarr to secure another easy medal it appears.
Adding to this I think one or two of the dedicated Minmatar plexers switched sides to the Amarr and at least one other left FW all together, which pretty much gives Amarr free reign to go win a medal. Not to down play any Minmatar, that are still trying hard, but they are just out numbered in a big way and plexing is a numbers game.
We got buts kicked? No we did not. Gallente did not get any systems by fightning for those. Main reason why gallente got systems _back_ was that PERVS reduced defence alt plexing and CCP balance game over point where systems can be recaptured back in couple hours.
My opinion is that FW is just unplayable now, too many 'balanced' thing has happened since dominion:
- pirate faction ship boost ruined pvp in plexes, it is pirate faction or death.
- you can not remote rep your corp mates if they get gcc, you will lose your faction standing
- Plex Spawn balance, captured systems have 5-10 plex / down time, so if you own like all systems (like Caldari did) you need 500+ alts to plex those in 20min after dt.
Fact is that 90% plexing is done under 50 characters, and half of those are still alts.
Minmatar/Amarr FW could be fun but minmatar does not want to lose their t1 fitted ships so there is no fw at all.
PERVS is taking systems by 1-10 guys and minmatars are beaten, so brave warriors minmatars are. You should remember that when we took all gallente systems you invited us to minmatar front where real pvp is, can we have it now?
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Ospie
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.07.06 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Messenger
Originally by: Ralnik
Edited by: Ralnik on 02/07/2010 21:01:14
In the past Amarr have always had a more dominant plexing force after down time, which is when it matters the most. Minmatar for the most part never really cared about plexing but still managed to keep Amarr DT plexers at bay because of a small group of dedicated plexers.
Recently the Pervs whom were the major plexers for Caldari, were getting their butts kicked on the plexing front over in the Caldari v Gallente front because it seems most of Caldari didn't like plexing anymore. They have since moved to the Minmatar vs Amarr front joining the Amarr to secure another easy medal it appears.
Adding to this I think one or two of the dedicated Minmatar plexers switched sides to the Amarr and at least one other left FW all together, which pretty much gives Amarr free reign to go win a medal. Not to down play any Minmatar, that are still trying hard, but they are just out numbered in a big way and plexing is a numbers game.
We got buts kicked? No we did not. Gallente did not get any systems by fightning for those. Main reason why gallente got systems _back_ was that PERVS reduced defence alt plexing and CCP balance game over point where systems can be recaptured back in couple hours.
My opinion is that FW is just unplayable now, too many 'balanced' thing has happened since dominion:
- pirate faction ship boost ruined pvp in plexes, it is pirate faction or death.
- you can not remote rep your corp mates if they get gcc, you will lose your faction standing
- Plex Spawn balance, captured systems have 5-10 plex / down time, so if you own like all systems (like Caldari did) you need 500+ alts to plex those in 20min after dt.
Fact is that 90% plexing is done under 50 characters, and half of those are still alts.
Minmatar/Amarr FW could be fun but minmatar does not want to lose their t1 fitted ships so there is no fw at all.
PERVS is taking systems by 1-10 guys and minmatars are beaten, so brave warriors minmatars are. You should remember that when we took all gallente systems you invited us to minmatar front where real pvp is, can we have it now?
I'm going to go out and agree with this. For a while Amarr have had a number of strong corporations joining it which have led to the strongest fighting force it's had in a while, however the majority of Amarr militia has not been too interested in plexes outside of the actual combat opportunities they create.
What this has meant is that the Minmatar have really become quite demoralized, to the extent that the majority of the Minmitar militia you see active these days are pretty much the same core group and not much outside of it.
This has of course left the way open for PERVS to come in and do what they do best, which is plex fighting. The Minmatar lack experience against their style of play and tend not bring ships capable of competing at the level set by PERVS. Hence the huge increase in systems being captured by the Amarr.
Ultimately it boils down to a currently strong Amarr Militia and a demoralized Minmatar militia.
The lack of attention from CCP towards FW doesn't help things either and I can certainly relate to the points brought up by Bad Messenger. One that particularly pains me is the RR 'balance' that means any of my own corp mates repping me lose faction standings (both 24th imperial and more importantly Amarr standings) which seems absurd, particularly as once the standings are gone there are no more bonuses to be gained from being re-promoted. Anyway rant paragraph over :P
I really hope the minnys manage to sort themselves out soon, they've been showing a bit more heart lately, so hopefully things are improving here. |
Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2010.07.06 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ospie
This has of course left the way open for PERVS to come in and do what they do best, which is plex fighting. The Minmatar lack experience against their style of play and tend not bring ships capable of competing at the level set by PERVS. Hence the huge increase in systems being captured by the Amarr.
As said in other thread, bulk of the PERVS have already gone away to do different things. So system capture will probably slow down and perhaps be reversed. such is life in FW.
I mean, 21th last month was when minmatar last time brought a fleet against PERVS gang. After this it was mainly quiet. So then people started doing other stuff as can be seen on our killboard. Hell, I solo ganked wt orca in high-sec yesterday instead of keeping eye for plexes.
Damar Rocarion
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Dunn Idaho
Caldari
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.07.06 14:01:00 -
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Your just saying that cause you dont want fix your sec stat ospie :P
But yeah, the whole RR and standing drop combined with no way of getting it back up trough FW is compleatly f°cked up imho. (we should all unite against ccp there)
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Jones Bones
Final Agony
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Posted - 2010.07.06 16:48:00 -
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I still don't understand how you guys can plex. Just treat FW as a "free" war dec.
But your missions do give out sweet, sweet LP.
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Neu Bastian
Minmatar
Valklear Guard
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Posted - 2010.07.06 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ospie
I really hope the minnys manage to sort themselves out soon, they've been showing a bit more heart lately, so hopefully things are improving here.
You do know that Core Impulse's ability and willingness to hot drop their cap fleet is a determining factor when it comes to the Minmatar Fielding Battleships fleets, don't you?
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Neu Bastian
Valklear Guard - CEO
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Torothin
Shadow Morning
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Posted - 2010.07.06 22:49:00 -
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Everyone loves to hotdrop.....
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Dred'Pirate Wesley
Amarr
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.07.06 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Neu Bastian
Originally by: Ospie
I really hope the minnys manage to sort themselves out soon, they've been showing a bit more heart lately, so hopefully things are improving here.
You do know that Core Impulse's ability and willingness to hot drop their cap fleet is a determining factor when it comes to the Minmatar Fielding Battleships fleets, don't you?
Hmmm, I seem to remember a time not very long ago at all when the minnies were doing all the cap ship hotdrops and bs fleet titan bridging whilst the amarr were lucky to get a 20 man t1 crap gang together because every time they did they got dropped and roasted. So, is it no fun anymore now that the playing field was not only evened but possibly skewed in amarr favor? If so then sorry mate but you guys started the whole escalation buisiness so htfu and sleep in the bed you made.
YAAAARRRR! Where's Buttercup?! |
Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2010.07.07 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: Dred'Pirate Wesley
Hmmm, I seem to remember a time not very long ago at all when the minnies were doing all the cap ship hotdrops and bs fleet titan bridging whilst the amarr were lucky to get a 20 man t1 crap gang together because every time they did they got dropped and roasted. So, is it no fun anymore now that the playing field was not only evened but possibly skewed in amarr favor? If so then sorry mate but you guys started the whole escalation buisiness so htfu and sleep in the bed you made.
I seem to remember them hotdropping 40 BCs onto 3 Cruisers........
It was so amazingly dumb.
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Ospie
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.07.07 01:50:00 -
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Originally by: Neu Bastian
Originally by: Ospie
I really hope the minnys manage to sort themselves out soon, they've been showing a bit more heart lately, so hopefully things are improving here.
You do know that Core Impulse's ability and willingness to hot drop their cap fleet is a determining factor when it comes to the Minmatar Fielding Battleships fleets, don't you?
This would only apply during the euro TZ when we can actually foot those sort of cap numbers, during the rest of the day I'd be first to admit we're very short staffed for that type of fight.
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Kyo Haku
Minmatar
Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2010.07.07 04:08:00 -
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The Pervs switched, as several have said, as well as perhaps the best plexer in the game. (my corp does a LOT of plexing, but he always beat us, singlehandedly). This coupled with 90% of the Matari militia not giving a **** about plexing, and we lose systems. But these things tend to cycle, we'll bounce back in a few months.
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Pokechan333
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Posted - 2010.07.07 04:58:00 -
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It's funny how the minnies complain about the amarr dropping caps. We regularly see minmatar caps undocking from auga 3rd, almost all the time, yet they complain and never drop them on us
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Ralnik
Mutineers
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Posted - 2010.07.07 06:04:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Messenger
We got buts kicked? No we did not. yadda yadda yadda
You have to know I was trolling you on the plexing don't you? I had to do something in response to my lovely Cane getting killed by your Pimpin Ballgobblen and McDaddymriel.
However since you brought up, I must suggest that you reap what you sow. I'll reply to a few of tof your complaints.
- You complain that Pirate ships have ruined plexs..
Yet oddly enough, you guys pretty much always fly Pirate ships in plexes. Have you ever stopped to think that maybe if you ship down to something "less" ubber that you might get fights in plexes? I know it's a odd concept, but hey try it for once.
- You complain the Minmatar don't ever fit any good ships to come fight you.
Have you ever stopped to think that maybe the spying & Metagaming have helped cause some of this? I'll give you an example..
I haven't been active on the Minmatar front for awhile, but since I've come back I see a lot less random Minmatar gangs roaming around. Admittedly I was a bit behind on the knowledge of your spies and the current regrowth of the Amarr after their exodus.
Well, there was a small Pirate gang bouncing around in Auga, (Mega & 4 BC). The typical late night crew that would have ordinarily eaten them up, were not un-docking to do so. I thought that was a bit odd, but whatever I think.
I'm not one to FC very often because I like my solo and general Militia fleets tend to be horrible, however since no one else stepped up I decided to do it.
I put a little gang together of 5 BC's a cruiser and 2 frigs which I felt was going to make for a decent fight, being we would have gate guns on our side the ship balance was good for a fun fight.
In between figuring out which random member was a Perv's alt and kicking him out of the fleet 2 or 3 times before I set him red so he couldn't rejoin.. The Genos guys came in and killed the Mega and the 4 BC's buggered off leaving our little gang with nothing to fight.
The whole time of course your little Minmatar Pervs spy is watch our gang like a hawk and nothing we can do about it, because as we all know FW mechanics are gay.
Well fast forward a bit and we decide to go see if there is anything to shoot in Kourm. I felt bad having guys gang up and have to deal with the spy **** only to get blue balls and not get to shoot our guns.
We find some random Amarr Harbi with a few other Amarrs in system so I'm think hey maybe he's bait and we can get a fight. (Harbi was just some random noob that got ganked)
Well like a open book that I should have seen coming from a mile away, here come Pervs with a Bhaalgorn, Machariel, Sleipnir with you in a lol Caracal and another in a Thrasher for god sportsmanship I guess.
You guys managed to get my Cane and another Cane so props to you for good gank. However if you wanted GFÖ would you really have brought 2 Pirate BS to kill a few BC's?
You guys knew what we had and what our target was, prior to it getting killed by 2 Genos Tengu's. Hell, I even said it in fleet while your Perv spy alt was still in gang, that I was purposely keeping the gang small and not taking a bunch of X's so we could get a decent fight.
Yet for what ever reason you still showed up with 2 uber Pirate BS, a Command ship and the lol support (to keep it "fair" I guess).
Yet, you still wonder why Minmatar are not coming to give you GFÖ? You knew our exact fleet composition. You could have easily shown up in some BC's and had a GFÖ and likely gotten another fight in the future.
Now I'm just one less guy that is going to form a gang to come fight, because it's much easier to go out have fun soloing than deal with the BS of spies and making myself a giant bulls eye.
I guess I should thank you TBH, I was going to start FCing some fleets from time to time because I can see Minmatar is in need. However you showed me exactly why I avoided it in the past.
TY and hope you get some GFÖ.
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Arkady Sadik
Minmatar
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.07.07 07:30:00 -
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PERVS play FW to "win" (putting it in quotation marks because, well, you can't win that, but the spirit is the same). They use every trick there is to play it well. Plexing with tons of alts, using standings to make it easier (not as much as they used to), using the best ships there are for the job (pirate ships), using spies in the hostile militia for protection and better intel, using post-DT plex shuffle to their fullest advantage (I still have no idea how they can get the people to consistently fight then, it's absolutely impossible for me to be there regularly), etc.
Can't blame them. That's how FW works - they just do exactly what needs to be done to utilize the FW mechanics to their fullest advantage. FW needs fixing, badly. You know a game mechanic is bad if even the people who currently can use it to the fullest agree that it's silly. |
Ratchman
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Posted - 2010.07.07 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Messenger
We got buts kicked? No we did not. Gallente did not get any systems by fightning for those. Main reason why gallente got systems _back_ was that PERVS reduced defence alt plexing and CCP balance game over point where systems can be recaptured back in couple hours.
My opinion is that FW is just unplayable now, too many 'balanced' thing has happened since dominion:
- pirate faction ship boost ruined pvp in plexes, it is pirate faction or death.
- you can not remote rep your corp mates if they get gcc, you will lose your faction standing
- Plex Spawn balance, captured systems have 5-10 plex / down time, so if you own like all systems (like Caldari did) you need 500+ alts to plex those in 20min after dt.
Fact is that 90% plexing is done under 50 characters, and half of those are still alts.
Minmatar/Amarr FW could be fun but minmatar does not want to lose their t1 fitted ships so there is no fw at all.
PERVS is taking systems by 1-10 guys and minmatars are beaten, so brave warriors minmatars are. You should remember that when we took all gallente systems you invited us to minmatar front where real pvp is, can we have it now?
Bless, those systems were lost because it was CCP's fault. Not the fact that the Pervs just got jaded with having to do it all the time.
I also like the fact that in your list of things that are wrongwith FW, you list the number of alts required to be used after DT. Wasn't it your corp who claimed that the level of activity post-DT had no bearing on the capture of plexes?
However, you are correct with that list. Plexing is little more than a distraction in FW, so I can't see it ever getting fixed. Ironically, if more people spent time doing it, it might warrant more attention, but most people avoid it because there is so little to be gained from it (and don't say many fights happen in plexes, as few people stay and fight in them, and only then when they outnumber the incoming force, or have the NPC rats on their side).
I will freely admit that the Pervs are very, very good at what they do. If there's any exploit that can be found, they will find it. They will invest the sheer number of man hours into the game in order to win this unwinnable aspect of FW. And they are also competent PVPers (I hesitate to say good, for I never see them take on an equal or superior force), although their tactics are solely gank-n-run.
They are difficult to counter because lowsec mechanics are weighted towards avoidance, and they are willing to invest the time and effort into a game mechanic few people really care about. It really matters to them (and this is probably why the loss of the Caldari systems is CCP's fault, not their own), whereas most people play the PvP aspects for fun. To show how much they care, just watch their trolling routines. Trolls only do what they do to provoke other people because they emorage themselves. This is why they cannot resist posting responses to anything, rather than doing the normal thing, which is to shrug your shoulders and move onto something else.
It should also be said that the Minnie/Amarr side of the FW divide does look a little staid at the moment. The Minnies need to ship up, and the Amarr need to stop dropping capitals on frigates. The trouble is, until this changes, it's liable to remain the same. You have to ask yourselves: what matters more? Do I get into combat, have fun and possibly lose, or is losing just so painful that I can't possibly risk it? I'm not saying you have to throw yourself on their guns, hell I expect you to flee from a superior force, but you do need to get out of your comfort zones. Surely it is better o hop into T1 and fight more frequently, then it is to fly T2 and be permanently scared of losing it? |
Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2010.07.07 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ratchman
(I hesitate to say good, for I never see them take on an equal or superior force), although their tactics are solely gank-n-run.
I really need to ask where does this myth come from. PERVS has repeatedly taken on enemy forces while massively outnumbered and emerged as winner. The reason for other sides defeat always seems to be (as said in this forums repeatedly) either because npcs, other side does not properly fit their ships or dont fly them properly but never anything PERVS might do.
It's really getting quite tiresome so lets give it a rest. Also, I dont approve BM's smack in this thread.
Damar Rocarion |
Ambo
I've Got Nothing
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Posted - 2010.07.07 10:48:00 -
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I used to plex when bored just for something to do.
Now I don't even bother with them unless there is a fight to be had and I can't find action elsewhere.
Many others in Minmatar militia feel the same, we just log on for a few hours to PvP. Why spend all that time orbiting a random structure that, when captured, gains you virtually nothing? |
Flashh Gorden
COLD-Wing
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Posted - 2010.07.07 14:09:00 -
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What's hapened to all the so called freedom fighters like SF and UK.
Both these entities have been supported by militia fleets in the past.
Could it be the struggle for freedom is not quite so important when there is no personal gain and space to be owned?
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.07 14:29:00 -
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The Amarr/Minmatar front has been characterised by ebbs and flows since day one of FW.
Right now, the Amarr have the upper hand, but I'm sure that in a few months people will be asking why they're again on the back foot.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Dunn Idaho
Caldari
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.07.07 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
The Amarr/Minmatar front has been characterised by ebbs and flows since day one of FW.
Right now, the Amarr have the upper hand, but I'm sure that in a few months people will be asking why they're again on the back foot.
I doupth it, allthough a welcome a change of pace from the minnie side.
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Rovain Sess
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Posted - 2010.07.07 15:17:00 -
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Edited by: Rovain Sess on 07/07/2010 15:17:32
Interesting banter. The Minnies will be back, as will any loosing faction. Some major corp will decide that they wanna change teh prevailing trend, and will assist in the resurgence of whatever side is currently loosing. Inner militia politics and egos alway begin to plauge the winning sides success, and powerful corps generally get bored and move to other things (and some never move).
If you stay in long enough your corp will ascend the militia KB's, so on and so on. I loved FW for the fights and never really got into the plexing side. I just liked the fact that I could log in and roam around, and generally get into some fights.
I salute all people who participate in FW - no matter its faults. Many of the guys i still play with outside its confines are some of my best in-game friends. Just my 2 cents 9and if its off-topic - so be it.
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Ralnik
Mutineers
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Posted - 2010.07.07 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dunn Idaho
I doupth it, allthough a welcome a change of pace from the minnie side.
Lets not be so ****y and forget that it was barely 2/3 months ago that it was next to impossible to find an Amarr in space. This stuff all comes & goes in cycles as it always has.
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Dred'Pirate Wesley
Amarr
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.07.08 05:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ralnik
Originally by: Dunn Idaho
I doupth it, allthough a welcome a change of pace from the minnie side.
Lets not be so ****y and forget that it was barely 2/3 months ago that it was next to impossible to find an Amarr in space. This stuff all comes & goes in cycles as it always has.
As far as the 2/3 months ago comment you are quite correct. But after spending some time with Corim I can say that backing down is not something that is going to come easy to them and I also have it on good authority that something wicked this way comes. Prepare yourselves..
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Soltiar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.08 22:35:00 -
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Edited by: Soltiar on 08/07/2010 22:45:01
Hmm interesting, So are the Space Pervs in it for an easy medal win? or to draw Minmatar into Plex fights? if it's the second, I don't think it's working, also if the Minnies are barely putting up a fight, why are the Pervs continuing capturing Plexes anyway?. And come to think of it, where are the other Amarr militia members in all this?
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Dunn Idaho
Caldari
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.07.08 23:31:00 -
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We're sort of boored atm cause the minnies dont want to fight us anymore cause they fear us to much. Instead of rising to the challenge and getting better at what they do.
Allthough with ROSS hiring mercs against us, things should get interesting in the next cuple of weeks, depending on how long the war dec lasts.
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Sneaky Noob
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.07.09 01:35:00 -
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OHAI.
POASTING IN A EFFDUBYA CHEST-THREATING BREAD.
The Sneakiest Noob in all of EVE |
Ralnik
Mutineers
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Posted - 2010.07.09 04:57:00 -
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Edited by: Ralnik on 09/07/2010 05:01:39
Originally by: Dunn Idaho
We're sort of boored atm cause the minnies dont want to fight us anymore cause they fear us to much. Instead of rising to the challenge and getting better at what they do.
Allthough with ROSS hiring mercs against us, things should get interesting in the next cuple of weeks, depending on how long the war dec lasts.
I really have a hard time thinking anyone "fears" you. It's more like people are just tired of having carriers dropped on every fight with you guys so we are ignoring you. I have no clue why anyone would bother hiring Mercs as it's damn sure not needed.
When you start dropping super caps in low sec fights, you might as well expect to get blue balled because that's what is happening to your corp. Hell I started ignoring your corp when you guys had that *** whom used to sit out side Auga 3rd with his Minmatar Militia RR alt.
However go right ahead and keep dropping those super caps in FW and I'm quite sure one of these days you guys are gonna get trapped and it's gonna make for some lultastic KM's.
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.07.09 08:00:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Dunn Idaho
We're sort of boored atm cause the minnies dont want to fight us anymore cause they fear us to much. Instead of rising to the challenge and getting better at what they do.
Allthough with ROSS hiring mercs against us, things should get interesting in the next cuple of weeks, depending on how long the war dec lasts.
Ross hired mercs against you?
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.07.09 09:05:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Ralnik
..When you start dropping super caps in low sec fights, you might as well expect to get blue balled because that's what is happening to your corp...
Consider it karmic retribution for the long period last year with 2-3 Titans bridging Matar fleets around constantly 
Originally by: Bomberlocks
Ross hired mercs against you?
No, they went with the discount solution and asked SF for help. Guess their grand plan for Providence being "freespace" didn't work when everyone there went back to NBSI status .. much easier to take out ones frustration in low-sec where ones only assets at risk are what one fields and where Titans are invulnerable in a POS due to lack of bubbles
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SR65
Amarr
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.07.09 09:54:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Ralnik
I really have a hard time thinking anyone "fears" you. It's more like people are just tired of having carriers dropped on every fight with you guys so we are ignoring you. I have no clue why anyone would bother hiring Mercs as it's damn sure not needed.
When you start dropping super caps in low sec fights, you might as well expect to get blue balled because that's what is happening to your corp. Hell I started ignoring your corp when you guys had that *** whom used to sit out side Auga 3rd with his Minmatar Militia RR alt.
However go right ahead and keep dropping those super caps in FW and I'm quite sure one of these days you guys are gonna get trapped and it's gonna make for some lultastic KM's.
lol
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2010.07.09 10:49:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Soltiar
Hmm interesting, So are the Space Pervs in it for an easy medal win? or to draw Minmatar into Plex fights?
Not any more
Damar Rocarion
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fatmanpaul
Royal Order of Security Specialists
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Posted - 2010.07.09 12:26:00 -
[42]
I can confirm ROSS FRIENDS entered the arena AFTER ROSS received a war dec from a Merc Corp paid to hinder our movements...........thus far the War Dec has been interesting. Thank you for more targets. Since CCP does not plan more content for FW we have to make it for ourselves. Both the Amar and Minmatar need to think out of the box to help keep the entertainment fresh. So ROSS thanks you for your assistance in this matter. We hope you feel the same way about all we do for you too...lol. We encourage all of you to spread the word, 0.0 sucks compared to the nature of FW.
While it seems to me by the lack of new content, lack of commentary on FW, and not on CCP radar of priorities; CCP had a faulty vision for FW. Instead of the "only" new player pvp experience we are full of experienced pvp players and nubbies who enjoy the access to quick and constant potential for combat.
I just ask our Amar partners to keep up the good fight; think of terrible new ways to torture us, you are our new game content. We promise to help build content for you too!
To those that sacrifice, we honor you....
I'm only as strong as my brother, therefore I ensure that my brother is strong.
Do the damn thing! At all times. In all places. At all cost...
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Ralnik
Mutineers
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Posted - 2010.07.09 16:19:00 -
[43]
Edited by: Ralnik on 09/07/2010 16:24:50
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Consider it karmic retribution for the long period last year with 2-3 Titans bridging Matar fleets around constantly
I keep hearing Amarrios complaining about that, but I'm willing to bet that it didn't happen near as much as you guys are always complaining about. Granted I'm not on the up and up with FW as I once was but I never saw any of these Titian hot drops.
While I know they did happen, as I saw people talk about it, I don't think it happened as much as you guys like to complain about it.
As far as Titian/Carriers, blobs ect.. I can under stand people wanting to play with their toys. Nothing wrong with that and everyone probably gets some lols out of doing it once or twice.
Yet, it's a slippery slope, when you become known for doing it all the time vs doing something for ****s and giggles from time to time. At this point everyone assume Core Impulse will hot pretty much anything. That is now their rep and it's gonna be tough to shake if they ever decide to stop being such homosexuals.
It doesn't really bug me what they do, they are no threat to me as even their moron with the Minmatar alt that was RRing was fail. I'm just going to laugh my ass off when someone like CoW hot drops the living **** out of those nice shiny super carriers.
I'm betting that will hurt the precious Amarrio kill/death ratio, that I always see you guys crying over.
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Wiccerakith
Absinthe Brothers
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Posted - 2010.07.09 16:42:00 -
[44]
/gets popcorn.
Moar of this plox :D
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SR65
Amarr
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.07.09 19:17:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Ralnik
I keep hearing Amarrios complaining about that, but I'm willing to bet that it didn't happen near as much as you guys are always complaining about. Granted I'm not on the up and up with FW as I once was but I never saw any of these Titian hot drops.
While I know they did happen, as I saw people talk about it, I don't think it happened as much as you guys like to complain about it.
As far as Titian/Carriers, blobs ect.. I can under stand people wanting to play with their toys. Nothing wrong with that and everyone probably gets some lols out of doing it once or twice.
Yet, it's a slippery slope, when you become known for doing it all the time vs doing something for ****s and giggles from time to time. At this point everyone assume Core Impulse will hot pretty much anything. That is now their rep and it's gonna be tough to shake if they ever decide to stop being such homosexuals.
It doesn't really bug me what they do, they are no threat to me as even their moron with the Minmatar alt that was RRing was fail. I'm just going to laugh my ass off when someone like CoW hot drops the living **** out of those nice shiny super carriers.
I'm betting that will hurt the precious Amarrio kill/death ratio, that I always see you guys crying over.
You sure do sound upset, making these long winded posts. 
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Dohl Khrensen
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2010.07.09 21:37:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
The Amarr/Minmatar front has been characterised by ebbs and flows since day one of FW.
Right now, the Amarr have the upper hand, but I'm sure that in a few months people will be asking why they're again on the back foot.
Bears repeating, although Sneaky was also pretty close above.
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Ralnik
Mutineers
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Posted - 2010.07.10 05:52:00 -
[47]
Originally by: SR65
You sure do sound upset, making these long winded posts.
Not at all.. I run a Internet marketing company in RL and run a lot of blogs to push traffic, so it's habit for me to write long winded post & forum replies. 
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Dred'Pirate Wesley
Amarr
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.07.10 06:33:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Ralnik
Originally by: SR65
You sure do sound upset, making these long winded posts.
Not at all.. I run a Internet marketing company in RL and run a lot of blogs to push traffic, so it's habit for me to write long winded post & forum replies.
Yeah. I knew that feeling of 'the troll is strong in this one' came from somewhere. Thanks for the confirmation!
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SFX Bladerunner
Minmatar
Bite me inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.11 10:46:00 -
[49]
Edited by: SFX Bladerunner on 11/07/2010 10:45:54
Originally by: Ralnik
You have to know I was trolling you on the plexing don't you? I had to do something in response to my lovely Cane getting killed by your Pimpin Ballgobblen and McDaddymriel.
However since you brought up, I must suggest that you reap what you sow. I'll reply to a few of your complaints.
- You complain that Pirate ships have ruined plexs..
Yet oddly enough, you guys pretty much always fly Pirate ships in plexes. Have you ever stopped to think that maybe if you ship down to something "less" ubber that you might get fights in plexes? I know it's a odd concept, but hey try it for once.
- You complain the Minmatar don't ever fit any good ships to come fight you.
Have you ever stopped to think that maybe the spying & Metagaming have helped cause some of this? I'll give you an example..
I haven't been active on the Minmatar front for awhile, but since I've come back I see a lot less random Minmatar gangs roaming around. Admittedly I was a bit behind on the knowledge of current spy alts and the regrowth of the Amarr after their exodus.
Well, there was a small Pirate gang bouncing around in Auga, (Mega & 4 BC). The typical late night crew that would have ordinarily eaten them up, were not un-docking to do so. I thought that was a bit odd, but whatever I think.
I'm not one to FC very often because I like my solo and general Militia fleets tend to be horrible, however since no one else stepped up I decided to do it.
I put a little gang together of 5 BC's a cruiser and 2 frigs which I felt was going to make for a decent fight, being we would have gate guns on our side the ship balance was good for a fun fight.
In between figuring out which random member was a Perv's alt and kicking him out of the fleet 2 or 3 times before I set him red so he couldn't rejoin.. Two Genos guys came in and killed the Mega and the 4 BC's buggered off leaving our little gang with no purpose.
The whole time of course, your little Minmatar spy alt, is watch our gang like a hawk and nothing we can do about it. As we all know FW mechanics are gayÖ.
Well fast forward a bit and we decide to go see if there is anything to shoot in Kourm. I felt bad having guys gang up and have to deal with the spy **** only to get blue balls and not get to shoot our guns.
We find some random Amarr Harbi with a few other Amarrs in system so I'm think hey maybe he's bait and we can get a fight. (Harbi was just some random noob that got ganked)
Well a min or two later, like a open book that I should have seen coming from a mile away, here come Pervs with a Bhaalgorn, Machariel, Sleipnir with you in a lol Caracal and another in a Thrasher for good sportsmanship I guess.
You guys managed to get my Cane and another Cane so props to you for good gank. However if you wanted GFÖ would you really have brought 2 Pirate BS to kill a few BC's?
You guys knew what we had and what our target was, prior to it getting killed by 2 Genos Tengu's. Hell, I even said it in fleet while your Perv spy alt was still in gang, that I was purposely keeping the gang small and not taking a bunch of X's so we could get a decent fight.
Yet for what ever reason you still showed up with 2 uber Pirate BS, a Command ship and the lol support (to keep it "fair" I guess).
Yet, you still wonder why Minmatar are not coming to give you GFÖ? You knew our exact fleet composition. You could have easily shown up in some BC's and had a GFÖ and likely gotten another fight in the future.
Now, I'm just one less guy that is going to form a gang to come fight, because it's much easier to go out have fun soloing than deal with the BS of spies and making myself a giant bulls eye.
I guess I should thank you TBH, I was going to start FCing some fleets from time to time, because I can see Minmatar is in need. However you reminded me exactly why I normally avoid it
^ This man knows what he's saying.
I've Only been in FW for a short time ages ago, but hated the spais
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Royal Order of Security Specialists
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Posted - 2010.07.11 11:40:00 -
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The hammer will fall
Like some other have said here time will change. And we have not hired andy mercs we dont need that. Oh and spies are used on all sides !!!
Ding a ling
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Jodie Amille
Kill Death Ratio
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Posted - 2010.07.11 13:30:00 -
[51]
Most of fw can be summed up as:
Side A forms up a blob.
Side B forms up a counter-blob with more numbers and better ships
Side A blueballs and reships or docks while side B whines in local that side A won't fight them.
Side A gathers yet more pilots with even bigger/better ships and undocks.
Side B promptly returns to their station whining about side A being blobbers and having no space honour or courage. They then promptly form an even larger gang and undock.
Side A whines about blobs as they run back to their station and disbands.
In this time, anywhere between 20 and 30 minutes where spent waiting for the initial gang to get going. Then another 20-30 minutes for each stage of back and forth reshipping. Insert the occasional poor dude getting ganked by either side while trying to solo, spying(lol it's fw), whining about spying(also lol) and lots of boredom.
And include that in general other than a few main systems the rest of fw is barren or littered with stealth bombers running fw missions or plexers in t1 frigs that just warp away when you enter the plex and solo or small-gang opportunities are quite small.
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Graelyn
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2010.07.11 14:19:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Jodie Amille
Most of pvp can be summed up as:
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Oddymandius
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2010.07.11 14:52:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Jodie Amille
Most of fw can be summed up as:
Side A forms up a blob.
Side B forms up a counter-blob with more numbers and better ships
Side A blueballs and reships or docks while side B whines in local that side A won't fight them.
Side A gathers yet more pilots with even bigger/better ships and undocks.
Side B promptly returns to their station whining about side A being blobbers and having no space honour or courage. They then promptly form an even larger gang and undock.
Side A whines about blobs as they run back to their station and disbands.
In this time, anywhere between 20 and 30 minutes where spent waiting for the initial gang to get going. Then another 20-30 minutes for each stage of back and forth reshipping. Insert the occasional poor dude getting ganked by either side while trying to solo, spying(lol it's fw), whining about spying(also lol) and lots of boredom.
And include that in general other than a few main systems the rest of fw is barren or littered with stealth bombers running fw missions or plexers in t1 frigs that just warp away when you enter the plex and solo or small-gang opportunities are quite small.
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Ralnik
Mutineers
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Posted - 2010.07.11 16:53:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Jodie Amille
Most of fw can be summed up as:
Side A forms up a blob.
Side B forms up a counter-blob with more numbers and better ships
Side A blueballs and reships or docks while side B whines in local that side A won't fight them.
Side A gathers yet more pilots with even bigger/better ships and undocks.
Side B promptly returns to their station whining about side A being blobbers and having no space honour or courage. They then promptly form an even larger gang and undock.
Side A whines about blobs as they run back to their station and disbands.
In this time, anywhere between 20 and 30 minutes where spent waiting for the initial gang to get going. Then another 20-30 minutes for each stage of back and forth reshipping. Insert the occasional poor dude getting ganked by either side while trying to solo, spying(lol it's fw), whining about spying(also lol) and lots of boredom.
And include that in general other than a few main systems the rest of fw is barren or littered with stealth bombers running fw missions or plexers in t1 frigs that just warp away when you enter the plex and solo or small-gang opportunities are quite small.
Yet, anyone has the ability to break this cycle by going out in smaller gangs or even solo and just waiting for he right fight to come along. The people that do nothing but sit in Auga, Kourm, Huloa or Hey, Tama, Nouv all day have no chance to ever break this cycle.
Personally, I've always found the key to getting a fight is being willing to fight at a disadvantage and making your self look weaker than you are. Unfortunately, to most people this usually means sticking a Drake in a belt then blob what ever attacks it, instead of proactively looking for a actual fight.
I think it just comes down to the fact most people are KM *****s and care little of the quality of the fight and too much about losing their internet spaceships.
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Jamradar
Minmatar
Hoplite Brigade
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Posted - 2010.07.13 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ralnik
Edited by: Ralnik on 09/07/2010 05:01:39
Originally by: Dunn Idaho
We're sort of boored atm cause the minnies dont want to fight us anymore cause they fear us to much. Instead of rising to the challenge and getting better at what they do.
Allthough with ROSS hiring mercs against us, things should get interesting in the next cuple of weeks, depending on how long the war dec lasts.
Hell I started ignoring your corp when you guys had that *** whom used to sit out side Auga 3rd with his Minmatar Militia RR alt.
who? Swatyy? It's not like he's invincible. If enough people in local organize and respond to him or if a quick formed fleet gets in, it'd be enough. Problem is not enough people really care or they're doing something else
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Sneaky Noob
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.07.13 13:06:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Sneaky Noob on 13/07/2010 13:06:40
Originally by: Jodie Amille
Most of fw can be summed up as:
Side A forms up a blob.
Side B forms up a counter-blob with more numbers and better ships
Side A blueballs and reships or docks while side B whines in local that side A won't fight them.
Side A gathers yet more pilots with even bigger/better ships and undocks.
Side B promptly returns to their station whining about side A being blobbers and having no space honour or courage. They then promptly form an even larger gang and undock.
Side A whines about blobs as they run back to their station and disbands.
what about the latenite suicide fleets of deathdoom? huh?!
you should add the following:
Side A decides to leroy in despite low probablities of success and gets a good fight and has funzors.
Side B thanks Side A for the funzors, lootzors and then they all sing kumbaya around a fireplace.
The Sneakiest N00b in all of EVE
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Ralnik
Mutineers
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Posted - 2010.07.13 16:51:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Ralnik on 13/07/2010 16:57:54
Originally by: Jamradar
Hell I started ignoring your corp when you guys had that *** whom used to sit out side Auga 3rd with his Minmatar Militia RR alt.
who? Swatyy? It's not like he's invincible. If enough people in local organize and respond to him or if a quick formed fleet gets in, it'd be enough. Problem is not enough people really care or they're doing something else
Swatyy was predictable and never really improved his game other than adding neutral BS logistics.
I was talking about that other tard, Moli something.. He was the guy that had the spy alt in Minmatar Militia and used it to remote rep his Amarr alt.
This is a bit more problems than just dealing with neutral logistics, as it also brings faction standings into play. IMO it's an exploit and abuse of broken game mechanics because his alt doesn't lose standings for repping his Amarr main, yet we lose standings for shooting his alt.
Meanwhile if you remote rep a -5 criminal you lose security standings. Yet his Amarr alt is past -5 to Minmatar faction yet his Minmatar FW alt can rep away with no standings loss.
Anyway it's all the same in the end, I'm looking to get some fun fights so I typically avoid these types of players/corps. If I wanted to deal with that kinda crap, I'd go to high sec and play Docking Bear with all the other high sec war dec station humpers.
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Augin Soric
Minmatar
Filthy Franchise
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Posted - 2010.07.13 22:48:00 -
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Edited by: Augin Soric on 13/07/2010 22:53:01
Plex tallying isn't an accurate way to show how militias are doing - At least half the people in either militia don't care about plexing (myself included), we're in it for the pew pew, not for the sitting on a button waiting out time and watching the que of oversized ships at the entrance on scanner.
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David Devant
Gallente
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.07.14 13:44:00 -
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Plexing is definately something of a red herring in terms of FW win. You can get some great fights going but most of us are at work post dt thankyouverymuch so it's largely irrelevant.
As the thread in general suggests the Amarr are on the front foot in terms of what they can pull out of the bag. CORIM especially have the skills and experience to put out very nasty fleets and if it gets big they definately have the advantage. However I don't see any loss of morale on our side cos quite frankly, "eh". This is faction warfare. We don't have to defend our assets or turn up to CTAs. We can form up thrasher gangs and enjoy ourselves instead.
Also, in furtherance of popcorntastic banter: STFU Dunn
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Moli Sten
Minmatar
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.07.14 15:05:00 -
[60]
To Ralnik, tsssss***, you still cannot let go on the in-militia-rr-alts, can you? I'm hoping your RL marketing company is not the cause of all that frustration in game. Though, having all that time to reply on forums makes me frawn and scratch my head.
On topic, camping Auga 3rd station is a necessity, if folks run from our gangs, we need to bring the fight to your homes. I'm even thinking of giving my in-militia-rr-alt a cap ship and park it in Auga 3rd station... some time ago your dreads were babysitting me all morning, it was good fun though, they had balls to siege all 3 and alpha my drake (kudos to them).
To use CCP quotes from the early days, EVE is a sandbox, ... (cannot put the essence of it in writing, my memory is failing me right now). Whether folks use in-militia-RR-alts, titan bridges, carrier drops, ... adapt, move on and find something to fight whatever is brought to your doorstep.
Been playing since early 2004, seen a lot from Eve, found FW 6m ago, switched sides, playing for the Amarr now, had fun, fun factor is not as it was 1-2 months back but still strong enough to stick around.
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Feral Lady
Team America World P0lice
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Posted - 2010.07.14 15:14:00 -
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On US time zone we often form up cruiser gangs for the very reason we wish to fight amarr and its a ship class that is more likely to attract "interactions" with our opponents.
During my time zone we only play with docking game players if we are really, really bored. Of course, non-fleeted people like to play Auga 3rd alot but for the most part my experience is players prefer to roam around (unless it is the world cup).
These cruiser fleets normally start up with less than a squad and yes over a few hours can grow to 20 people. In this age, that is not a blob, rather its an invitation for the amarr to play with us.
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Ralnik
Mutineers
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Posted - 2010.07.14 15:46:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Ralnik on 14/07/2010 15:47:33
Originally by: Moli Sten
To Ralnik, tsssss***, you still cannot let go on the in-militia-rr-alts, can you? I'm hoping your RL marketing company is not the cause of all that frustration in game. Though, having all that time to reply on forums makes me frawn and scratch my head.
On topic, camping Auga 3rd station is a necessity, if folks run from our gangs, we need to bring the fight to your homes. I'm even thinking of giving my in-militia-rr-alt a cap ship and park it in Auga 3rd station... some time ago your dreads were babysitting me all morning, it was good fun though, they had balls to siege all 3 and alpha my drake (kudos to them).
To use CCP quotes from the early days, EVE is a sandbox, ... (cannot put the essence of it in writing, my memory is failing me right now). Whether folks use in-militia-RR-alts, titan bridges, carrier drops, ... adapt, move on and find something to fight whatever is brought to your doorstep.
Been playing since early 2004, seen a lot from Eve, found FW 6m ago, switched sides, playing for the Amarr now, had fun, fun factor is not as it was 1-2 months back but still strong enough to stick around.
Camping gates and stations is what people do when they are too lazy or lack the skills to hunt & catch targets. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if you bought your alt a carrier and became just another station ornament and Docking Bear. You Amarr have lots of those already so one more wouldn't change anything.
As far as your logistics alt in Minmatar, yes it does annoy me.. Not because I'm worried about you, but rather because it's one more ****ty bug in FW that goes on ignored by CCP.
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Moli Sten
Minmatar
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.07.14 16:24:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Ralnik
Edited by: Ralnik on 14/07/2010 15:47:33
Camping gates and stations is what people do when they are too lazy or lack the skills to hunt & catch targets. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if you bought your alt a carrier and became just another station ornament and Docking Bear. You Amarr have lots of those already so one more wouldn't change anything.
Have you been roaming around lately? Visited any nearby systems outside auga-dal-kour, it is totally empty. Few months back one could easily find capsuleers outside this triangle.
Today, even if you roam in a juicy ship and are reported by the opposing militia by shipname in militia chat, not <name>, nobody really bothers to engage.
If one is being called station ornament, then so be it. It seems our only option to see some action.
And again, rr-alt in the militia, it is no bug, no exploit, its the way it works today. Stop crying ffs.
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Ralnik
Mutineers
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Posted - 2010.07.14 16:40:00 -
[64]
Edited by: Ralnik on 14/07/2010 16:47:47
Originally by: Moli Sten
Have you been roaming around lately? Visited any nearby systems outside auga-dal-kour, it is totally empty. Few months back one could easily find capsuleers outside this triangle.
Today, even if you roam in a juicy ship and are reported by the opposing militia by shipname in militia chat, not <name>, nobody really bothers to engage.
If one is being called station ornament, then so be it. It seems our only option to see some action.
And again, rr-alt in the militia, it is no bug, no exploit, its the way it works today. Stop crying ffs.
I guess you need to work on that skill of "finding targets". Perhaps put the safety net of a logistics alt away and use him to go scout or something. I never have problems finding targets in Amarr/Minmatar FW areas.
While grated they aren't always WT's they are still targets all the same. This is just an alt so my fly time on this toon tends to be limited but even still I've had some awesome fights lately and typically never have problems finding targets of some sort or another.
I might offer you the tip, that perhaps your gig is up and people know your routine. This means they know you will be undocking or warping in your logistics alt hence you only get fights that blob you or you get to gank a noob that doesn't know you.
This is the rep you have created for your self and your corp has a rep of blobbing/hot dropping carriers on just about anything. Yea, I could see where you might have problems getting fights.
You, can either continue doing the same old BS and continue to have less and less targets or you can give people a reason to fight you. I know for my self, blobbing up and flying l33t ships all the time never goes hand in hand with finding targets. This is why I keep it simple, I almost always fly T1 frigs, cruisers or BC and almost always the targets find me.
After living in an area with truly no targets for quite some time on my main, I can tell you that if you can't find targets in either of the two FW war zones then you are doing it wrong.
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Moli Sten
Minmatar
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.07.14 17:49:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Ralnik
Edited by: Ralnik on 14/07/2010 17:26:25
I guess you need to work on that skill of "finding targets". Perhaps put the safety net of a logistics alt away and use him to go scout or something. I never have problems finding targets in Amarr/Minmatar FW areas but then again I don't play docking games on Auga 3rd either.
While granted they aren't always WT's they are still targets all the same. This is just an alt so my fly time on this toon tends to be limited but even still I've had some awesome fights lately and typically never have problems finding targets of some sort or another.
I might offer you the tip, that perhaps your gig is up and people know your routine. This means they know you will be undocking or warping in your logistics alt hence you only get fights that blob you or you get to gank a noob that doesn't know you.
This is the rep you have created for your self and your corp has a rep of blobbing/hot dropping carriers on just about anything. Yea, I could see where you might have problems getting fights.
You, can either continue doing the same old BS and continue to have less and less targets or you can give people a reason to fight you. I know for my self, blobbing up and flying l33t ships all the time never goes hand in hand with finding fights. This is why I keep it simple, I almost always fly T1 frigs, cruisers or BC and almost always the targets find me.
After living in an area with truly no targets for quite some time on my main, I can tell you that if you can't find targets in either of the two FW war zones then you are doing it wrong.
I've never seen anyone vent so much anger on a corp or player.
If you'd done some research before replying you would find on the Amarr KB that my top 3 ships are all t1 (cane-rupy-pest) and covers 80% of my kills. On top of that, 80% of my kills are in small gangs or solo.
I'm just wondering why I keep replying, Minnies know who I am, what our corp does, Amarrians know what we stand for. We have mutual respect with most capsuleers in the area and in both factions. But rotten appels like yourself will always vent hatred to compensate for something.
I'm not going to waste any more time on you. I don't wish you a safe flight, may your pod, clones and alts get erased by the hand of our mighty Amarian Gods.
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Ralnik
Mutineers
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Posted - 2010.07.14 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Moli Sten
I've never seen anyone vent so much anger on a corp or player.
If you'd done some research before replying you would find on the Amarr KB that my top 3 ships are all t1 (cane-rupy-pest) and covers 80% of my kills. On top of that, 80% of my kills are in small gangs or solo.
I'm just wondering why I keep replying, Minnies know who I am, what our corp does, Amarrians know what we stand for. We have mutual respect with most capsuleers in the area and in both factions. But rotten appels like yourself will always vent hatred to compensate for something.
I'm not going to waste any more time on you. I don't wish you a safe flight, may your pod, clones and alts get erased by the hand of our mighty Amarian Gods.
You replied to me, I replied to you. That's typically how these things work. I'm not venting but maybe trolling you a bit. However, I'm trying to give you a logical reason as to your complaint of finding no fights.
While yes it is easy to claim that you fly Canes and small gang or what ever, the point I was getting at is you do so while hiding behind a Minmatar logistics alt. Even if you don't do it all the time, you still have the reputation for doing it hence people already assume that the second they engage you along will come Mr Scimitar alt.
I was simply giving you the suggestion that if you "really" want fights that you should give people a reason to fight you. My guess is however that you aren't really interested in fight but rather easy KMs.
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David Devant
Gallente
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.07.14 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ralnik
I was simply giving you the suggestion that if you "really" want fights that you should give people a reason to fight you. My guess is however that you aren't really interested in fight but rather easy KMs.
This isn't true at all. Moli frequently flies dangerous and heavily outgunned. Nothing but respect for him. 
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Ralnik
Mutineers
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Posted - 2010.07.15 04:37:00 -
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Originally by: David Devant
This isn't true at all. Moli frequently flies dangerous and heavily outgunned. Nothing but respect for him.
Every time I've ever seen him out and about his Minmatar Militia logistics alt named "inflamer" is never far away, so I don't share the same feelings. 
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Dred'Pirate Wesley
Amarr
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.07.15 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ralnik
Originally by: David Devant
This isn't true at all. Moli frequently flies dangerous and heavily outgunned. Nothing but respect for him.
Every time I've ever seen him out and about his Minmatar Militia logistics alt named "inflamer" is never far away, so I don't share the same feelings.
Well of course you don't share the same feelings. You are a self professed 'lone wolf' in a game that promotes team play over soloing. I mean whats the effective difference if that neutral scimi was being piloted by a different player anyways? Or even if it was a valid wartarget? You would still be outnumbered much like moli is generally outnumbered so here is a tip for you to start enjoying the game to its fullest: Make some friends to fly with.
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Ralnik
Mutineers
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Posted - 2010.07.15 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: Ralnik on 15/07/2010 18:49:26
Originally by: Dred'Pirate Wesley
Every time I've ever seen him out and about his Minmatar Militia logistics alt named "inflamer" is never far away, so I don't share the same feelings.
Well of course you don't share the same feelings. You are a self professed 'lone wolf' in a game that promotes team play over soloing. I mean whats the effective difference if that neutral scimi was being piloted by a different player anyways? Or even if it was a valid wartarget? You would still be outnumbered much like moli is generally outnumbered so here is a tip for you to start enjoying the game to its fullest: Make some friends to fly with.
The difference is I can shoot a neural anytime I want and only take a sec status hit. I don't have to wait for him to start repping my target ship prior to acting, meaning if I catch him somewhere he is a valid target. If I do the same to his alt, I take a faction standings loss.
Not to mention the troubles it causes in gangs specially for newer players as they are likely to not understand why an FC is telling them to shoot a "friendly" in the middle of a fight.
Also, the whole issue with no loss of standings with Minmatar faction for repping a Amarr Militia member that is at war with Minmatar (that's just dumb). If he was repping a -5 security status player he would lose security & faction standings meanwhile he gets no standings loss at all for repping a WT.
This is far beyond the general ***gotery of a typical neutral logistics alt. Neutral alts while annoying can almost always be dealt with assuming you don't mind a sec status loss. However faction standings and Milita are not the same ball game.
I'll ask you a simple question.. do you think it would be good for FW if everyone started doing the same thing? Keep in mind it's obvious that CCP give a rats ass about our playground..
Meaning it's in our best interest to try to clean it up as much as we can so how about having your boy man up and lose the Minmatar Logistics alt. Put it in Amarr like a real champ.
I could give a **** about spy alts, but this breaks the game..
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Dred'Pirate Wesley
Amarr
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.07.15 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ralnik
The difference is I can shoot a neural anytime I want and only take a sec status hit. I don't have to wait for him to start repping my target ship prior to acting, meaning if I catch him somewhere he is a valid target. If I do the same to his alt, I take a faction standings loss.
Not to mention the troubles it causes in gangs specially for newer players as they are likely to not understand why an FC is telling them to shoot a "friendly" in the middle of a fight.
Also, the whole issue with no loss of standings with Minmatar faction for repping a Amarr Militia member that is at war with Minmatar (that's just dumb). If he was repping a -5 security status player he would lose security & faction standings meanwhile he gets no standings loss at all for repping a WT.
This is far beyond the general ***gotery of a typical neutral logistics alt. Neutral alts while annoying can almost always be dealt with assuming you don't mind a sec status loss. However faction standings and Milita are not the same ball game.
I'll ask you a simple question.. do you think it would be good for FW if everyone started doing the same thing? Keep in mind it's obvious that CCP give a rats ass about our playground..
Meaning it's in our best interest to try to clean it up as much as we can so how about having your boy man up and lose the Minmatar Logistics alt. Put it in Amarr like a real champ.
I could give a **** about spy alts, but this breaks the game..
Take it up with ccp then. They can add it to all the other stupid crap that needs fixing in fw. Also that moli chooses to use a neutral repping alt when 9 times out of 10 he is outnumbered is simply using his wits to make his solo game more enjoyable. He still dies horribly alot so it's not like he is some uber killing maching that slays all before him using his neutral repping alt of doom. I mean I'm sorry that in your particual case it puts a kink in your game but tbh as a solo player you are already at a huge disadvantage even if he had his alt in the militia. It's all about your perception tbh and it sucks when you are always at the bottom looking up.
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Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.07.16 00:23:00 -
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Edited by: Sneaky Noob on 16/07/2010 00:24:05
Originally by: Dred'Pirate Wesley
Take it up with ccp then. They can add it to all the other stupid crap that needs fixing in fw. Also that moli chooses to use a neutral repping alt when 9 times out of 10 he is outnumbered is simply using his wits to make his solo game more enjoyable. He still dies horribly alot so it's not like he is some uber killing maching that slays all before him using his neutral repping alt of doom. I mean I'm sorry that in your particual case it puts a kink in your game but tbh as a solo player you are already at a huge disadvantage even if he had his alt in the militia. It's all about your perception tbh and it sucks when you are always at the bottom looking up.
as much as it hurts to agree with CORIM about anything, i have to agree here. moli, like swatyyy/jethro always fight outnumbered and usually die alot.
it's not like the amon/nephlim xeno which seem unable to log in unless the other is logged in and will fly around in large fleets with 2-3 neutral reppers.
LOCUS is also pretty good about this. their logi pilots are all in corp and they have never (except for one failtard, you know who you are) used neutral alts to keep eyes on our fleets.
edit: lol@suggesting "CCP should fix FW"
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Ralnik
Mutineers
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Posted - 2010.07.16 05:12:00 -
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Edited by: Ralnik on 16/07/2010 05:12:46
Originally by: Dred'Pirate Wesley
Take it up with ccp then. They can add it to all the other stupid crap that needs fixing in fw. Also that moli chooses to use a neutral repping alt when 9 times out of 10 he is outnumbered is simply using his wits to make his solo game more enjoyable. He still dies horribly alot so it's not like he is some uber killing maching that slays all before him using his neutral repping alt of doom. I mean I'm sorry that in your particual case it puts a kink in your game but tbh as a solo player you are already at a huge disadvantage even if he had his alt in the militia. It's all about your perception tbh and it sucks when you are always at the bottom looking up.
Sadly, you missed the point entirely. We already know CCP couldn't give a **** about fixing FW or low sec. this is something that we as players should police our selves to make FW a bit better and less crappy. CCP won't do **** because it requires developers to take time away from Dust and shiny Avatars online.
If he wants to fly around with a neural logistics alts doing LOL "solo" PVP with logistics repping him, then more power to him. However leaving his alt in Minmatar Milita and doing his RR from there is extremely ***gy and breaks the game as its intended due to faction standings issues.
Your corp should have enough balls to stand up and say hey, this is a bit lame so lets clean up our act and lead by example. (yes I know this will never happen)
I've already taken this up with CCP and they gave the typical lazy ass response that was expected.. They won't do **** because they don't give a crap unless it has to do with Avatar's online and Dust.
We can either choose to police our selves and try to at least make FW worth playing or we can continue to *** around until everyone and their brother is doing the same thing.
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The Yzzerman
Royal Order of Security Specialists
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Posted - 2010.07.16 06:13:00 -
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fist ,the people complaining about neutral rep alts have NO IDEA how hard it can be dual box. Second its a part of the game not an exPLOIT, LIVE whit it. Its like complaining that people can afford to buy plex cards. And this talk and complaining about blobs make me sick, its all about intel, scouting and finding other way to fight the blob. Cry babys
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Ralnik
Mutineers
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Posted - 2010.07.16 07:00:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Ralnik on 16/07/2010 07:02:19
Originally by: The Yzzerman
fist ,the people complaining about neutral rep alts have NO IDEA how hard it can be dual box. Second its a part of the game not an exPLOIT, LIVE whit it. Its like complaining that people can afford to buy plex cards. And this talk and complaining about blobs make me sick, its all about intel, scouting and finding other way to fight the blob. Cry babys
I think about of people seem to be failing at the Reading & Comprehension. This is not about "neutral" alts.. But rather putting alts in the apposing Militia and then remote repairing their main in the other Militia.
This creates faction standings issues which makes them much harder to deal with vs a "neutral" logistics alt as you are forced to shoot someone in your own Militia in order to "deal" with the logistics alt.
As we all know it requires "faction standings" to stay in your Militia and you lose "faction standings" by shooting at members of your own Militia.
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Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2010.07.16 13:49:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Ralnik
Edited by: Ralnik on 16/07/2010 07:02:19
Originally by: The Yzzerman
fist ,the people complaining about neutral rep alts have NO IDEA how hard it can be dual box. Second its a part of the game not an exPLOIT, LIVE whit it. Its like complaining that people can afford to buy plex cards. And this talk and complaining about blobs make me sick, its all about intel, scouting and finding other way to fight the blob. Cry babys
I think about of people seem to be failing at the Reading & Comprehension. This is not about "neutral" alts.. But rather putting alts in the apposing Militia and then remote repairing their main in the other Militia.
This creates faction standings issues which makes them much harder to deal with vs a "neutral" logistics alt as you are forced to shoot someone in your own Militia in order to "deal" with the logistics alt.
As we all know it requires "faction standings" to stay in your Militia and you lose "faction standings" by shooting at members of your own Militia.
So what you are saying is he devised a way to better use his alt in this war that benefits him, makes you suffer and your crying about it. Got it.
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Ralnik
Mutineers
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Posted - 2010.07.16 16:13:00 -
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Edited by: Ralnik on 16/07/2010 16:18:04
Originally by: Invelious
So what you are saying is he devised a way to better use his alt in this war that benefits him, makes you suffer and your crying about it. Got it.
You can call it crying or what ever, it doesn't bug me one way or another. I think you managed to kill me one time along with 20 others when I suicided a Thrasher into your Bunker bashing party. Moli with his logistics alt, I've fought at least twice and neither time was he able to seal the deal and earn a KM out of me.
Either way, the logistics alts have little affect on me and my PVP other than the side effect of it turns the area's PVP to crap as more and more people become station ornaments. I just think it's time we stood up and take responsibility for our playground. CCP clearly isn't going to do it, so before it turns to total ****, we should at least try to do something about it.
The Amarr/Minmatar war is already turning into nothing but a bunch of station humping Docking Bears. Do we really want to continue down this path and essentially have the same **** PVP as typical high sec war decs? ...or do we want actual fights and tactics involved, with FC's doing more than just undocking enough blob to kill a Docking Bear before he can deaggro?
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Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2010.07.16 17:29:00 -
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Ralnik is not saying Moli is using a neutral to rep his Amarr FW character, Ralnik is saying Moli is using a Minmatar FW character to rep himself. I think there is a difference.
I don't want Minmatar to start showing up with loads of Amarr alts to rep themselves - if it will cost me standings etc. I agree its great to get some emo in local but beyond that I don't support it.
I often don't have the time to do fleet ops. So I go solo allot. But I like doing all of it larger fleets, small gangs, and solo. I don't think solo is as fun unless you have the at least some potential of getting blobbed. Its not good for your stats, but flying dumb and drunk isn't good for your stats either, and that never stopped me. |
Bai Guang
Caldari
Edge Of Infinity
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Posted - 2010.07.19 21:55:00 -
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hmm, all this talk of a single player using a "neut/same faction" RR makes me wonder why you dont just do the same thing. Now I understand this needs fixing, but CCP will get to that soon(tm), so in the mean time, just use the same approach. If you cant stomach having and Amarr RR alt rep you, just get some neut pilot to do it thats not in FW or better yet use that same neut pilot to blow up his RR, no faction, no faction hit. Boom all is well
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Moli Sten
Minmatar
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.07.20 16:10:00 -
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A simple fact that maybe, was left out intentionally by Ralnik, once the in-militia-alt reps the other militia, he will be red-flagged and can be shot WITHOUT losing any faction standings.
So the sole difference between a neutral alt or in-militia alt is, "you cannot open fire on him *first*, you need to wait for the red-flag".
And then, you cannot open fire on a neutral alt first either without getting shot by sentries.
So what is the big deal here?! Don't know you tell me.
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Ralnik
Mutineers
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Posted - 2010.07.20 17:03:00 -
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Edited by: Ralnik on 20/07/2010 17:05:51
Originally by: Moli Sten
A simple fact that maybe, was left out intentionally by Ralnik, once the in-militia-alt reps the other militia, he will be red-flagged and can be shot WITHOUT losing any faction standings.
So the sole difference between a neutral alt or in-militia alt is, "you cannot open fire on him *first*, you need to wait for the red-flag".
And then, you cannot open fire on a neutral alt first either without getting shot by sentries.
So what is the big deal here?! Don't know you tell me.
That just happens to be a pretty vital issue because it pretty much makes your alt invulnerable to be caught ever. We can't attack him while he's traveling which is when most neutral rep alts are caught.
It also causes issues as people jump into a fight late as well as causes issues for people not on the up and up that he is your alt and remote repping you. Most people set their OV's so Militia don't show up as red aggressed to avoid friendly fire.
The simple fact is you know damn well there is more to it than that other wise you wouldn't have him in the Minmatar Militia while your main is in Amarr. Hower I do have a logistics V alt that maybe I could put in Amarr Milita and just sit out side Auga 3rd repping every Minmatar I see.
I imagine that might hamper the fun for all you docking bears. I mean if it's no big issue I guess I could do it too right? Maybe get some others to do it too and we can waste everyone's time and just kill any reason to actually fight.
Why not just grow a pair and stick your alt in Amarr Milita? Can you not PVP with out it or is it a KB fluff thing that you want people to think you are awesome?
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Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2010.07.20 17:06:00 -
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Moli
Thanks for posting, I was not aware of that.
On the overview, will the person in my militia repping the other militia show red even though I have "in my militia" as a higer priority than "is a criminal"? I did this so I wouldn't keep shooting pirates in my own militia.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Galactic Rangers
Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2010.07.20 17:18:00 -
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Its just an additional side effect of the whole remote-rep by neutral **** up of not considering remote repair aggression.
In this age where you can't even put a tracking disruptor on a all-missile ship without Concord claiming you've done a bad thing, I'm sure that remote repairing a party at war or one committing agression can be enough for remote repairer inheriting their flags.
Remote repairing anyone at war, become a vulnerable target the war enemies for 15 minutes.
Remote repairing someone who has an agression timer, get a 1 minute agression timer yourself.
Its not rocket science.
However, its not a CCP priority, and I have no doubt that the aggression code it a nasty, nasty beast requiring *a lot* of testing, and hence CCP would try to avoid tinkering with it unless absolutely necessary. It is the code most prone to causing big, big ****ups if a bug sneaks in.
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praznimrak
Gallente
Level Up
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Posted - 2010.07.20 17:45:00 -
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HMMM Here we go again...
FW SUCK QUIT IT.
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2010.07.20 18:05:00 -
[85]
Originally by: praznimrak
HMMM Here we go again...
FW SUCK QUIT IT.
Yet you insists on playing it despite your constant moaning and going even as far as being one of the "lets have neutral alts tank the plexes" lamers on Gallente side.
Make up your mind...
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Moli Sten
Minmatar
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.07.20 19:55:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Ralnik
Edited by: Ralnik on 20/07/2010 17:05:51
That just happens to be a pretty vital issue because it pretty much makes your alt invulnerable to be caught ever. We can't attack him while he's traveling which is when most neutral rep alts are caught.
Right, your small group of T1 ships would have the balls to engage a neutral t2-repper on a gate or station. You would be all dead by sentries before you take a 2nd breath.
Originally by: Ralnik
It also causes issues as people jump into a fight late as well as causes issues for people not on the up and up that he is your alt and remote repping you. Most people set their OV's so Militia don't show up as red aggressed to avoid friendly fire.
It is not my fault that your average militia doesn't grasp the concept to use multiple overviews or set it up so it actually works.
Originally by: Ralnik
The simple fact is you know damn well there is more to it than that other wise you wouldn't have him in the Minmatar Militia while your main is in Amarr. Hower I do have a logistics V alt that maybe I could put in Amarr Milita and just sit out side Auga 3rd repping every Minmatar I see.
Hell yeah there is added value to have my alt in the Minmatar Militia, why else would I do it, just to **** you of? Using him for RR is just a small portion of why I use him, actually he hasn't been RR anyone in the past few weeks, even month. But I'm planning to start using him again more often.
I would love to see your alt in Amarr Militia, easy kills on my account, check my standings, I'm still -4.9 against the amarr, I came from -10.
Originally by: Ralnik
I imagine that might hamper the fun for all you docking bears. I mean if it's no big issue I guess I could do it too right? Maybe get some others to do it too and we can waste everyone's time and just kill any reason to actually fight.
Why not just grow a pair and stick your alt in Amarr Milita? Can you not PVP with out it or is it a KB fluff thing that you want people to think you are awesome?
bah, no need to grow a pair, have plenty of alts in the AM that can fulfil the RR part.
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Mehira Am'kul
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.21 09:48:00 -
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hi Moli
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Moli Sten
Minmatar
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.07.21 16:07:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Mehira Am'kul
hi Moli
hiya mate, you still in zero space, having fun?
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Elijah Ghost
Amarr
Pillowsoft
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2010.07.22 01:36:00 -
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Gallente > Caldari at PVP
Caldari > Gallente at PVE
Amarr > Minmatar at PVP
Minmatar < Amarr at PVE
I fleet commanded for Gallente Militia from the beginning of Faction War, in Pillowsoft corporation and we usually dominated the battlefield. Trying to organise Plexing fleets for gallente, however, was like trying to organise an AA meeting in Ireland... All they cared about was PVP. Gallente had a few dedicated plexing corps, -Dark was one of them. But Mitch Taylor recruited some of the best pilots in Gallente milita and fracked off to 00 to jack himself off over boys. After that, Caldari started to dominate the plexing side of Gallente vs. Caldari.
Once I left, no one else was standing up to FC for Gallente.. This might have been my own fault as I usually FC'd EVERY gallente fleet (excluding corp run fleets) between 10:00 - 01:00 and never gave anyone else a chance. I have no idea how they are doing now, but last I checked gallente had 0 systems, Caldari had 101. I hear that gallente have picked up a bit now though.
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Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.22 06:09:00 -
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Also, the whole issue with no loss of standings with Minmatar faction for repping a Amarr Militia member that is at war with Minmatar (that's just dumb). If he was repping a -5 security status player he would lose security & faction standings meanwhile he gets no standings loss at all for repping a WT.
WTF CCP?
That's super annoying after arguing with GMs about standing loss for repping friendlies and being told it was intended for helping the enemy blah blah.
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Mehira Am'kul
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.22 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Moli Sten
Originally by: Mehira Am'kul
hi Moli
hiya mate, you still in zero space, having fun?
Still there, having fun, but I might consider coming back to FW for a short break.
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Moli Sten
Minmatar
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.07.22 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Mehira Am'kul
Still there, having fun, but I might consider coming back to FW for a short break.
I can only recommend Corim, though, I haven't been playing much lately. But we got plenty of others that are active.
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Zverofaust
Gallente
Locus Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.24 04:06:00 -
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Edited by: Zverofaust on 24/07/2010 04:08:16
FW is like the forums, they're pretty fun to troll the **** out of people.
I play Eve like I play online FPS games; I just want to start the game, join a server and start shooting. Some days you join a team that really sucks massive balls but you adapt and change kits and decide to be a sniper*** or a Medic or Spy or something instead of a Soldier or Heavy. FW provides this as more often than not you can find all sorts of different kinds of fights within a relatively small pocket of systems without having to go too far or wait too long. And if **** gets really boring, then you can start trolling your own team members.
What I find most annoying is the fact that each side thinks they're so much better than the other, either in skill or "morals" or whatever, but after having been in both I can honestly say they're the exact ****ing same down to the tiniest detail. While there are some exceptions, for the most part 95% of both militias are made up of total ****ers who need their hands held just to enter lowsec.
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Malik77
Locus Industries
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Edited by: Malik77 on 25/07/2010 22:40:52
Originally by: Zverofaust
95% of both militias are made up of total ****ers who need their hands held just to enter lowsec.
QFT. Although it is ironic coming from a ****er who can't go into low-sec with having your hand held by me.
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Zverofaust
Gallente
Locus Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.26 01:43:00 -
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That's it Malik, I hereby am calling you out on your ****ery, of which there is far too much.
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Sneaky Noob
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.07.26 15:21:00 -
[96]
bump for more drama, whine and cheese.
The Sneakiest N00b in all of EVE
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CF ProctoR
Payable on Death
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Posted - 2010.07.28 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Sneaky Noob
bump for more drama, whine and cheese.
Hey !!!!!! oh hai, i forgot yes moar drahma and , tears and beers! Hands up or panties down
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2010.07.28 15:56:00 -
[98]
Well, I must say i've enjoyed my time around Aset fighting against Minmatar hordes which always outnumber me and Veshta (and few others who sometimes come). Matar are slowly taking systems around that area though every inch is fought over bitterly, usually so that Matar die a lot until Electus Matari and militia muster large enough gangs to chase us off.
Respect for being able to form such large gangs but I must say, back in the day when you boasted you would teach PERVS about "real pvp" since Gallentes were apparently unable to give it; Sorry guys, you were not better and I hesitate to say, even equal.
This was my last time there, time to move on to new pastures (but alts stay) and it was fun going out with a decent fight, even though Isbrabata was not saved. I'd say we gave pretty good performance there until the 2nd bc gang forced us to leave.
Also, 1.5 Dramiels killed per day makes me lol
Gf to Sasa and others but not to Carib (take your medicine) or Electus Matari (RopeCon 2009 will not be forgotten).
Damar Rocarion
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Ralnik
Mutineers
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Posted - 2010.07.28 16:14:00 -
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Edited by: Ralnik on 28/07/2010 16:26:33
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Well, I must say i've enjoyed my time around Aset fighting against Minmatar hordes which always outnumber me and Veshta (and few others who sometimes come). Matar are slowly taking systems around that area though every inch is fought over bitterly, usually so that Matar die a lot until Electus Matari and militia muster large enough gangs to chase us off.
Respect for being able to form such large gangs but I must say, back in the day when you boasted you would teach PERVS about "real pvp" since Gallentes were apparently unable to give it; Sorry guys, you were not better and I hesitate to say, even equal.
This was my last time there, time to move on to new pastures (but alts stay) and it was fun going out with a decent fight, even though Isbrabata was not saved. I'd say we gave pretty good performance there until the 2nd bc gang forced us to leave.
Also, 1.5 Dramiels killed per day makes me lol
Gf to Sasa and others but not to Carib (take your medicine) or Electus Matari (RopeCon 2009 will not be forgotten).
Damar Rocarion
This has always been a problem with Minmatar Militia when it comes to the disorganization. It's been one of my complaints for a long time, that Minmatar Militia fleets just blob up to gank stuff but typically die to anything organized or well prepared.
I think the difference you see with say Gallente & Amarr as far as better gang comps and so on is because it's mainly the Organized corps that are pushing it. Minmatar doesn't really have this because most of the organized corps stick to themselves. I've seen a few corps and people try to get us more organized but it never works and they end up giving up.
I did have a alt in Gallente for a bit and while their gangs were a bit more organized I found it much more boring due to the fact they pretty much always just camped gates which really sucked because there are a lot of viable targets in the Gal vs Cal space, if the Cal were not active but the Gallente never went after them.
That's one thing I give Minmatar props on, if there are no targets the gangs usually go find some. You see just as many pirate/neutral KM's on the Minmatar killboard as you see war targets. Minmatar will do Providence raids or run up to Gallente/Caldari space so they always stay active.
Meanwhile Gallente are camping gates and Amarr sit in stations until they have a big gang or just play docking games all day.
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ibanez0r
Minmatar
5th Australian Tactical Wing
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Posted - 2010.07.28 16:25:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Zverofaust
Edited by: Zverofaust on 24/07/2010 04:08:16
What I find most annoying is the fact that each side thinks they're so much better than the other, either in skill or "morals" or whatever, but after having been in both I can honestly say they're the exact ****ing same down to the tiniest detail. While there are some exceptions, for the most part 95% of both militias are made up of total ****ers who need their hands held just to enter lowsec.
lol... this isnt just FW bud, its wide spread and i think its a bit over the top to generalise an entire miltia into this 95% catergory, cmon! just not so. alot fit the bill sure, but the considerable majority (the ones not opening their mouths) aren't like this.
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2010.07.28 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ralnik
It's been one of my complaints for a long time, that Minmatar Militia fleets just blob up to gank stuff but typically die to anything organized.
Quantity has a quality all its own - Stalin.
If one side has the numbers, they will bring it. Does not help much to complain about it. Then again, Amarr militia dont fly to Aset area because it's so far away apparently and if they did in equal numbers, they say Matar would just run:)
Damar Rocarion
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Carib Devist
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Posted - 2010.07.28 16:43:00 -
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Well, I must say i've enjoyed my time around Aset fighting against Amarr hordes which always outnumber me and Sasa (and few others who sometimes come). Amarr are slowly calling MOAR backups from mother Tuomuta system though every inch is fought over bitterly, usually so their ninja-plex ceptors and condor run away from my rupture untill Damar and hes hundreds of "standing tanking" alts and militia muster large enough faction cruiser gangs to chase us off.
Respect for being able to form such large gangs but I must say, back in the day when you boasted you would teach MINMATAR about "plex pvp" since PERVS were apparently unable to give it; Sorry guys, you were not better and I hesitate to say, even equal.
This was my last time there, time to move on to Macdonald (btw i dont have alts) and it was fun going out with a decent fight, even though Damar blocked me. I'd say we gave pretty good T1 crap kills there until the Amarr fleet gave up and left.
Also, 7 comments on T1 Cruiser kill makes me lol
Gf to Veshta and others AND TO DAMAR (keep being cool) or... something :)
Carib Devist
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Ralnik
Mutineers
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Posted - 2010.07.28 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: Ralnik on 28/07/2010 16:46:42
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Quantity has a quality all its own - Stalin.
If one side has the numbers, they will bring it. Does not help much to complain about it. Then again, Amarr militia dont fly to Aset area because it's so far away apparently and if they did in equal numbers, they say Matar would just run:)
Damar Rocarion
Yea distance is one thing that doesn't help to break up the blobs on the Minmatar/Amarr front. It's not bad to roam the Amarr back systems because it's a nice easy roam-able loop.. But Minmatar's back systems in Met kinda suck because it's long dead end chains. Hell I still have loot/ships up in Taff and Brin that I can't be assed to get get from that last time you guys were hitting our systems.
It would be awesome if there was a few connecting gates up into those far off area that would make roams up there a bit more appealing. As it is right now, the only time I go up into those areas is for piracy when there isn't any WT's around.
Now on the Gal/Cal front you guys have awesome roaming potential due to having many various loops. This is why I stuck a alt in Gal for a while, but it turned out to be a let down because very few gangs took advantage of your roaming potential and the large amounts Pew-Pew with non-WT's was mostly passed up in favor for camping a Tama gate..
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.07.28 18:13:00 -
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I still like amarr-minnie fw.
Also guys, if you think only one of the sides blobs, you are wrong. Both sides do that if they get numbers /well... or quality/. If they dont, fleet with less pilots usually plays hit and run. Id say both alternatives can be fun. And ganking some random pilots who ignore intel /or are just clueless/ is just bonus .
Btw i tried aset today and i liked it. But yeah, its too far from tuo.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.07.28 18:29:00 -
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Edited by: Hirana Yoshida on 28/07/2010 18:30:55
Originally by: Carib Devist
Well, I must say i've enjoyed my time around Aset fighting against Amarr hordes which always outnumber me and Sasa (and few others who sometimes come)...
Aset has been great, but not sure what game you are playing .. I fail to see how ~5:1 odds against (after an hour or so) makes us 'a horde'. 
Our gang today, the biggest we have had the past two weeks, had a whopping 7-8 people in it .. 2-3 others in area but I think they are mission *****s. Damar (with his twin alts) and I have been practically alone most of the time so pardon us for having to resort to navy hulls in order to survive.
The glorious Amarr post-dt gangs have faded so that they don't even qualify as shadows of their former selves 
PS: How does one standing tank defensive plexes? Makes no sense at all.
PPS: Most in Amarr militia have you and your alts blocked due to your spam fetish, if you stopped filling local with inane drivel perhaps ....
Originally by: Ralnik
Yea distance is one thing that doesn't help to break up the blobs on the Minmatar/Amarr front.
Hahahah, yeah. The geography of the Minmatar/Amarr area is ludicrous.
I cried foul in the opening months but my lamentations were drowned out by the countless bugs that cropped up when people started waging the war.
Dal being a single entry point to 2/3rds of all systems .. makes other bottlenecks bow their heads in shame
Caldari/Gallente front has the benefit of an entire region tailor-made for FW so probably not an issue there, haven't scrutinized the map so can't be sure though.
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Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
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Posted - 2010.07.28 19:08:00 -
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Edited by: Machiavelli''s Nemesis on 28/07/2010 19:08:20
Heh, yeah the topography of the Minmatar end of the warzone isn't really optimal.
The toe-end of Metropolis: Todifrauan, Brin etc are almost as close to Nourvukaiken as they are to Auga, it's hard to make a distant backwater like that meaningful for either party.
Edit: grammarz
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Ralnik
Mutineers
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Posted - 2010.07.28 19:20:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Ralnik on 28/07/2010 19:20:14
Heh, I guess that's at least one thing we can all agree on that Met's geography is pretty **** poor for FW stuff. However it's good for Pirates I guess.
I always thought that gates should be added from Gulmorogod to Ualkin then from Ualkin to Ebolfer. Then maybe one from Olfeim to Helgatild or Ofstold to open up both the central are far right side of the map. Then for the Left do something like Tumur to Oyonata or something to open up another direct route between Amarr & Minmatar space.
I actually edited up a map with this as a proposal one time but never finished it off. It would however really open up the area and make roaming 100 times more enjoyable.
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Dunn Idaho
Caldari
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.07.28 19:54:00 -
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Do we really have any pirates left these days ?
And i hardly see any gate camps.
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Ralnik
Mutineers
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Posted - 2010.07.28 21:09:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Ralnik on 28/07/2010 21:12:43
Originally by: Dunn Idaho
Do we really have any pirates left these days ?
And i hardly see any gate camps.
The camps around Amamake have slimmed down quite a bit from what I've noticed but piracy is still well and alive and all the better for it IMHO. Up in Met you still find the odd camp here or there and it seems to still be a lot of camps over in the Cal/Gal FW areas, just not so much in the Min/Amarr areas.
Around Ama area it seems most of the Pie's have gone back to smaller gang stuff and not so much lazy gate camping. Now that the Bane blob has died down a bit, it seems to have opened up room for some smaller gangs to hit targets here and there which is something I personally like seeing.
I've always thought piracy should be done in small gangs hitting targets of opportunity, not so much the lazy PVP we typically see from gate campers that out blob the Militias, so for this I welcome the change around Ama area.
Now if we could just get the Militia's to follow suite and slim down the blobs, things would be peachy..
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Silence iKillYouu
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.07.28 22:54:00 -
[110]
Faust no one likes u.
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Ya Nor
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Posted - 2010.07.29 05:35:00 -
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FW is still fun and it has its benefits. get yourself a cruiser and fly. forget what everyone else says. do what you want. you see a target, kill it. you open fire and a blob comes in, kill it anyway and then run awayyyyyy or die like a man. either way, you've accomplished something havent you? and it doesnt have to be solo, gangs of 5 ppl are nice. same with 25 ppl. hell, even gangs of 100 ppl can be fun. its an experience, and its worthwhile. you learn from everything you do, and as long as you are having fun, thats what counts.
mettagaming, trolling, blobbing, hot dropping, station humping, spies, neut/opposing militia/red rr alts, it happens. and not just in FW. there isnt much you can do about it, just learn to play with it. if you've been at it for any length of time, you know who you can trust and who you cant usually. paranoia isnt healthy though either. if you are getting to that point it may be time to move on... i hear jita is nice.
idk, maybe i simplify it too much? after all, its just pixels. my $.02
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David Devant
Gallente
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.07.29 11:07:00 -
[112]
Stop being reasonable Ya. You're spoiling it for the rest of us 
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Sinnek
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.07.30 01:16:00 -
[113]
what Ya said.
FW has pretty much all the variations of eve pvp easily available. don't knock it 'till you've tried it..
..and triple Q combo!
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Pokechan333
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Posted - 2010.07.30 02:35:00 -
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Edited by: Pokechan333 on 30/07/2010 02:35:27
Why does amarr win most of the time? Stuff like this:
http://www.amarr-empire.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=131021
http://www.amarr-empire.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=138444
Nuff' said
Edit: These were on auga 3rd station. Both pretty much just let us bump them off station
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Jane Vherokior
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2010.07.30 04:32:00 -
[115]
I've only got one thing to say: one night in FW (Minmatar) was better than nearly two months in RVB. Not to diss my RVB buds, but lots of fleet action in one evening. No comparison. :) I look forward to more nights of great FC'ing (Jakana), great fights, and good company!
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Sneaky Noob
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.07.30 05:59:00 -
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Edited by: Sneaky Noob on 30/07/2010 05:59:48
Originally by: Pokechan333
Edited by: Pokechan333 on 30/07/2010 02:35:27
Why does amarr win most of the time? Stuff like this:
http://www.amarr-empire.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=131021
http://www.amarr-empire.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=138444
Nuff' said
Edit: These were on auga 3rd station. Both pretty much just let us bump them off station
http://www.minmatar-militia.org/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=143486
all the sides have suicidal cap pilots that act first and then think later. they provide some of the best fights you'll get in militia.
nuff said
edit: he warped to a gate to save a maelstrom, they both died (and i almost died to a discotempest)
The Sneakiest N00b in all of EVE
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Pokechan333
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Posted - 2010.07.30 18:46:00 -
[117]
Well that doesn't really count. We didn't drop dreads to kill those 2 nags, neither did they warp to gate. They didn't even agress too, they could've docked at any time
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Dohl Khrensen
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2010.07.30 19:07:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Pokechan333
Well that doesn't really count. We didn't drop dreads to kill those 2 nags, neither did they warp to gate. They didn't even agress too, they could've docked at any time
Exactly!
...why doesn't it count again?
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Ospie
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.07.30 21:58:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Pokechan333
Well that doesn't really count. We didn't drop dreads to kill those 2 nags, neither did they warp to gate. They didn't even agress too, they could've docked at any time
To be fair that morecowbell carrier would probably have died w/ or w/o the caps, credit's due.
Though some of the minny cap pilots lately seem to need an idiots guide to fitting caps.
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Sneaky Noob
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.07.31 05:25:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Ospie
Originally by: Pokechan333
Well that doesn't really count. We didn't drop dreads to kill those 2 nags, neither did they warp to gate. They didn't even agress too, they could've docked at any time
To be fair that morecowbell carrier would probably have died w/ or w/o the caps, credit's due.
Though some of the minny cap pilots lately seem to need an idiots guide to fitting caps.
thanks ospie... and he's right, the carrier was ****ed no matter what... the caps just made it die faster (no disrespect to MCB, they are cool dudes).
as to your fittings suggestions... well... yeah, you are right. lern2fit then undock... kthnx.
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Velna Sevesto
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Posted - 2010.07.31 06:35:00 -
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What is happening? Right now I can sum it up in one word...nothing. Most kills around my crops patrol times have turned up nothing for the past few days. Simply put, there is on one on. Everyone is playing star craft 2
It's kinda sad honestly because I do miss my pew pew The sooner the hype on that game dies down the sooner we can get back to the real fights. I've made it from Auga all the way around through Amarr space and on average only seen a hand full of war targets in total through about 18 systems in the past few days.
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Ospie
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.07.31 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: Velna Sevesto
What is happening? Right now I can sum it up in one word...nothing. Most kills around my crops patrol times have turned up nothing for the past few days. Simply put, there is on one on. Everyone is playing star craft 2
It's kinda sad honestly because I do miss my pew pew The sooner the hype on that game dies down the sooner we can get back to the real fights. I've made it from Auga all the way around through Amarr space and on average only seen a hand full of war targets in total through about 18 systems in the past few days.
Yeah, seems alot of pilots are playing sc2, I'd only touch it for the single player (having played it through in beta), but don't really want to pay for 3 installations atm!
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Jamradar
Minmatar
Hoplite Brigade
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Posted - 2010.07.31 12:19:00 -
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Edited by: Jamradar on 31/07/2010 12:19:36
eh, this current emptiness isn't all bad. Smaller pack fighting is more intense than blobbing. And more people feel incentive to make 1v1 duels. Still too much of a coward to set a 1v1 with a wt in an empty system. Not afraid of dying, just afraid of dying too quickly.
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Velna Sevesto
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Posted - 2010.07.31 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jamradar
Edited by: Jamradar on 31/07/2010 12:19:36
eh, this current emptiness isn't all bad. Smaller pack fighting is more intense than blobbing. And more people feel incentive to make 1v1 duels. Still too much of a coward to set a 1v1 with a wt in an empty system. Not afraid of dying, just afraid of dying too quickly.
The hard part is finding those smaller packs.
BTW Kerrigan turns human again but keeps the Zerg hair. 
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Ralnik
Mutineers
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Posted - 2010.07.31 16:21:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Velna Sevesto
What is happening? Right now I can sum it up in one word...nothing. Most kills around my crops patrol times have turned up nothing for the past few days. Simply put, there is on one on. Everyone is playing star craft 2
It's kinda sad honestly because I do miss my pew pew The sooner the hype on that game dies down the sooner we can get back to the real fights. I've made it from Auga all the way around through Amarr space and on average only seen a hand full of war targets in total through about 18 systems in the past few days.
Actually, it's pretty awesome right now because the giant blobs aren't killing every random target in sight before it hits the undock button. There have actually been some nice fun fights to be had lately and hell even the big gangs have had some nice reasonably balanced fights lately.
While I will admit, the targets have been a bit sparse at times, I typically don't go more than a day with out having a fun fight. We just need to get the Amarr to undock a bit more, for stuff other than care bearing, back in the bleak lands and it would all be good.
I've been in FW over a year now and this is likely the best time I've had for fun fights. Please let the FoTMers stay in SC2, Tanks or what ever they are playing, because it's pretty nice right now.
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Sneaky Noob
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.07.31 16:51:00 -
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i like all the people dying in artillery fit dramiels. that's about all i can say of FW atm.
*pacefalm*
The Sneakiest N00b in all of EVE
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.07.31 22:13:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Velna Sevesto
BTW Kerrigan turns human again but keeps the Zerg hair.
diaf
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