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HotBuffet
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Posted - 2010.07.03 09:34:00 -
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I'm wondering how much you have invested in PI thus far, and what your profit is from it. If you got a record of it: ammount bought, buy price, sell price, invested, return.
I haven't been doing that good myself, it could've been WAY better, but still got stuff going. Up until now my biggest gains:
Rocket Fuel - ammount: 464.840 - buy: 1.250 - sell: 3.150 - invested: 581.050.000 - return: 1.464.246.000
Water - ammount: 912.846 - buy: 41 - sell: 156 - invested: 37.426.686 return: 142.403.976
I could've waited with the Rocket Fuel, but found a big oppurtunity in which I still got my ISK in, going up nicely.
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Suicida1Tendencies
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Posted - 2010.07.03 10:59:00 -
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Edited by: Suicida1Tendencies on 03/07/2010 10:59:11
My profit at current prices is 20 to 30 bil depending on how exactly to calculate it. Looking at the trends and listening to my inner feeling I am going to hold on with my stocks.
My wet dream is to earn 70-80 bil and it seems that it is quite likey to come true with current trends. This will provide me with enough funds to realise all the plans for EvE that I had and basicly will give me a feeling that "i won EvE" (and maybe, just maybe it is time to move on).
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Lt Angus
Caldari
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.07.03 11:09:00 -
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got 6 mill units of p2, just waiting for the right time
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Placebo Addict
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Posted - 2010.07.03 17:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Lt Angus
got 6 mill units of p2, just waiting for the right time
Bears make money. Bulls make money. Pigs get slaughtered.
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mechtech
SRS Industries
SRS.
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Posted - 2010.07.03 20:02:00 -
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Building PI products pre 'broken' modules (mix of towers, arrays, labs, ect)
-40B invested, 50B return expected, 10B profit expected.
Joint PI venture I have a 50% stake in
-7B invested, 15B return expected, 8B profit expected.
Speculative investments (mix or short term and long term profits)
-20B invested, 120B return expected, 100B profit expected.
These are fairly low end expectations, it's much more likely to be higher than lower. 118B profit here on my initial investment of about 67B, feeling  . (only 40B or so was liquid. As the PI is selling, the isk goes back into speculation).
I missed out on the Technetium bandwagon, I sure as hell wasn't going to sit this one out.
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Arthor Dark
Nex Exercitus
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.03 20:50:00 -
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Got 11m units of Guidance Systems (bought at 418isk p/u) I'm sitting on - it's going to take like 66 freighter jumps to move it all into jita 4-4. Also got 2000 units of Moon harvesters (bought at 4.5m p/u), some nanite paste and small laser beams. In all, about 17b invested, at current prices it's about 60-70b in profit.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2010.07.03 21:29:00 -
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I'm baffled: Is this thread to discuss profit made from engaging in Planetary Infrastructure or profit made from exploiting the system prior to the release of Planetary Infrastructure?
I'll answer both ways just in case:
Pre-PI:
I spent 0 isk on any NPC goods for sale regardless of the fact that CCP doesn't have the balls to punish people for exploiting, players or T20... err... Devs alike.
That being said, there used to be a fair bit of profit buying up T2 production related goods and moving them around for the convenience of others. All the while charging a premium for the relocation of course. Had quite a bit of such stock available that did not make it up on the market(s) due to recent case of lazy ass. Those items brought me some good profit.
Post-PI:
I only just planted my first command center 3 days ago - I waited until I could plant elite centers as I don't want to have to wipe the whole colony each time I go to upgrade.
I'm now working several low sec planets and I predict that I'll make some good profit. Not sure yet as to how much or in which manner. I'm just trying it out, embracing it fully, to give it a try. However I already see that PI, itself, is an Eve technological back step. Heartbeat function industry was removed for very good reasons. Recreating it through PI is ... ... the stupidity that comes from not remembering where you've already been. (And how bad it was when you were there.)
In closing, no idea if it will be profitable for me to engage in compared to any other activity. The clickfest nature of restarting extractors is just ... more mind numbing than Ice harvesting. At least with that I can read a book or any other additional activity.
So, too many questions as of yet - market wise and feasibility - regarding PI to have any good answers.
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes
Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves;
Aptitude and intellect are needless here;
'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
Arthor Dark
Nex Exercitus
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.03 21:37:00 -
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Edited by: Arthor Dark on 03/07/2010 21:42:13
Originally by: Shar Tegral
I'm baffled: Is this thread to discuss profit made from engaging in Planetary Infrastructure or profit made from exploiting the system prior to the release of Planetary Infrastructure?
I'll answer both ways just in case:
Pre-PI:
I spent 0 isk on any NPC goods for sale regardless of the fact that CCP doesn't have the balls to punish people for exploiting, players or T20... err... Devs alike.
U mad?
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2010.07.03 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Arthor Dark
U mad?
Is there a specific context or just in general?
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes
Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves;
Aptitude and intellect are needless here;
'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
Arthor Dark
Nex Exercitus
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.03 21:51:00 -
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Edited by: Arthor Dark on 03/07/2010 21:52:35
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Arthor Dark
U mad?
Is there a specific context or just in general?
You must feel pretty stupid and kicking yourself right about now, for not cashing in on an effortless isk printing venture. Instead you're excusing your lapse of judgement by sheltering in some principles and taking pot shots at devs, BoB and CCP for what any other brainless monkey could have seen coming even after half a year of playing this game. You must be mad at yourself.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2010.07.03 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Arthor Dark
You must feel pretty stupid and kicking yourself right about now, for not cashing in on an effortless isk printing venture. Instead you're excusing your lapse of judgement by sheltering in some principles and taking pot shots at devs, BoB and CCP for what any other brainless monkey could have seen coming even after half a year of playing this game. You must be mad at yourself.
What a scary dark little place the inside of your mind must be. The idea that I actually mean what I said probably never crossed either neuron did it? Well I'm not going to waste my time convincing you otherwise. I've said it before, I'll say it again, and I'll probably be saying it soon: You can't explain integrity to someone who doesn't have it.PS: This is not the first time I've chosen not to cheat. Just because it makes no sense to you doesn't mean I'm sitting here eating my liver envious of anyone. If you want a better insight to why I'm the way I am - Pick up the latest EON and read about it.
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes
Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves;
Aptitude and intellect are needless here;
'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
Arthor Dark
Nex Exercitus
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.03 22:06:00 -
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Except that it wasn't cheating. And you'd know that if you realized that CCP left those NPC orders on the market for a reason. That being so that people would in fact, on purpose, stock up on goods to get through the initial stages of PI launch.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2010.07.03 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Arthor Dark
Except that it wasn't cheating. And you'd know that if you realized that CCP left those NPC orders on the market for a reason. That being so that people would in fact, on purpose, stock up on goods to get through the initial stages of PI launch.
And your source for this idea of yours?
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes
Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves;
Aptitude and intellect are needless here;
'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
Arthor Dark
Nex Exercitus
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.03 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Arthor Dark
Except that it wasn't cheating. And you'd know that if you realized that CCP left those NPC orders on the market for a reason. That being so that people would in fact, on purpose, stock up on goods to get through the initial stages of PI launch.
And your source for this idea of yours?
One's actions indicate intent. If CCP intended to preclude stocking up, then they would have left the NPC orders off the market after the first time they removed them. Instead, CCP gave time and all the necessary information from which for anyone with half a brain to realize that things are going to suck with the way PI it is and that grabbing a few million units of stuff priced at NPC values would be beneficial. If CCP intended otherwise, then they should done something about it, which btw, could have been easily done. But they lack of action speaks a clear intent for stockpiling.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2010.07.03 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Arthor Dark
One's actions indicate intent. If CCP intended to preclude stocking up, then they would have left the NPC orders off the market after the first time they removed them.
Le sigh, so young so full of inference. CCP admitted to quite a number of errors during this transition. Specifically posted admission. So presuming perfection, upon CCP's part, even in the face of admitted fault might seem a bit... ... silly. But truth being beside the point let me tell you something that might be helpful later on when you grow up: Inference is the worst form of evidence that can be utilized: Quote:
There is an analogy to how differently we each understand or experience things in a classic story about three blind men and the elephant. As each of the three blind men are trying to understand exactly what the elephant is like, but experiencing different parts of the same thing.
The first blind man is feeling all over the leg of the elephant and says to the others, ôIt is like a strong tree.ö But, the second is holding the trunk, explaining, ôIt is like an ever changing vine.ö Still, the third blind man is running his hands across the large body of the elephant, exclaiming, ôNo, it is endless, like a wide mountain.ö
To answer your first question, in general, yes I am mad. Quite mad, as loony as a hatter. The joy of it all is that what motivates me is actually unfathomable to many people in Eve. I don't even have to make an effort to remain unique in this community. I open my mouth and prove it all the time. Sometimes it is genius, sometimes pure comedy gold at my own expense, almost always it is ugly and rude. CCP seems to like it as much as I do. They have not hammered me in any way and trust me I'm quite free with my opinion(s) no matter who is the subject of them. But, and this is the funny part, I don't need a free isk printing press. I've got people like you. For me, getting it from you is the easy part.
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes
Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves;
Aptitude and intellect are needless here;
'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
Arthor Dark
Nex Exercitus
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.03 22:46:00 -
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Yup, didn't need that isk anyways.
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Janice Polito
Tech 3 Hotsauce Limited
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Posted - 2010.07.03 23:03:00 -
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500 mil or so investment, looking at 6-10 bil return
It's not too late for CCP to nerf stockpiles though, so expected profits are far from guaranteed. |
WahWahWeeWoo
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Posted - 2010.07.03 23:22:00 -
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3.5b investment across nearly all npc available goods.
haven't speculated final worth of stocks, due to a still immature market.
With the limited stocks I've started to release(small 20k item orders), I am seeing a 30x profit. My pessimist side is assuming these profits were caused by others trying market manipulation at a loss. Despite pessimism, I remain bullish on the market of npc goods and am planning to ride the market with limited liquidation.
lol @ I didn't want that isk anyways. As well as having 'integrity' about something so fictional and unimportant as a video game market. 
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.07.04 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: WahWahWeeWoo
lol @ I didn't want that isk anyways. As well as having 'integrity' about something so fictional and unimportant as a video game market.
Originally by: Shar Tegral
You can't explain integrity to someone who doesn't have it
The only part where Shar is wrong, is about being unique.
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Grozen
Caldari
Titan Core
New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2010.07.04 01:54:00 -
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as it stands 35b profit.But it will be very stupid to sell atm.Most pi p2-p3 goods that aren't npc made are priced at atleast 11-14k each.That is the smallest lvl i'm willing to let go of my stock.But there are some things like guidance systems and rocket fuel that are bound to go up way too much.Simply because its pain in the bum to make.I'm gonna hold to the majority of those till i see stable prices.35b or 450b time will tell.
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Alain Kinsella
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.04 03:44:00 -
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I made an initial, small investment into the Robotics conversion. Since I was 'bootstrapping' a new PI alt's production from NPC purchases, it did not earn much by MD's standards - about 20-25 mil. But its enough to help as 'seed money' while he set up a proper production series (and helped to smooth out initial mistakes in them).
As for now, he's got a couple nice chains going, all in hi-sec; One planet in particular should be making about 3-4 mil a week, using Wyke Mossari's current projections. This is more than enough for my personal goals (as a supplement to other activities), and if I get another chain or two like that one I'll earn enough for my own minor needs.
For me, it's a balance as to how much my wrist can stand the nonsense of resetting extractors. So I'll take a lower income there, so long as its generating *something*.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2010.07.04 04:16:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
The only part where Shar is wrong, is about being unique.
My apologies if you thought I meant that -I- am unique. I meant it that I share, with others, a very unique point of view. That I think is inarguable though it won't stop it from happening. As to PI, I do think it'll be changed up. The heartbeat functionality has been proven to be bad. After enough people are doing PI the server drain is likely to increase necessitating a change over to the "demand" system. I've a few ideas how this could work but I'll sit back patiently and wait to see CCP's solution. (6 - 12 months) Arthor: No disrespect to you or your activities but I didn't fall of a hay wagon yesterday. Rest assured that any activity of mine is resourced out way in advanced. I should add that it is not "I don't need isk". I simply don't want isk, or at least no more than satisfy my humble needs. Believe it or not, I've not talked or acted any other way for more years in Eve than many have months in Eve. If I am a liar, I'm the most damned consistent one you will ever met. /shrugs.
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes
Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves;
Aptitude and intellect are needless here;
'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2010.07.04 04:23:00 -
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BTW I felt it important to add that I do suspect that CCP did this intentionally. Or more accidentally on purpose. "Ooops!" went the collective mind then, "Wait a minute - this could work."
Of course the important part would be why yes?
All of the purchasing of NPC goods has two things that is inarguable. First, some of you are going to lose. Some will win big but many will not. Secondly, this has to have been the single biggest most numero uno player voluntary isk sinking ever.
Isk sink the event was because all those 10's (100's??) of billion of isk left the "system". Any isk you gain will have to come from another player whose isk is not always from a faucet but was pre-existing.
Now, I know for some of you that doesn't matter. Video game mentality and all that jazz. However I think that for those who go beyond the shallow end of the thinking pool - that is something to discuss.
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes
Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves;
Aptitude and intellect are needless here;
'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
Maria Yumeno
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Posted - 2010.07.04 04:39:00 -
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I stockpiled enough to run a pos for a good while along with some for t2 production along with a little surplus.
I ended up with about 80k units of robotics, 100k of mechanical parts, 40k of rocket fuel, 80k of superconductors, 50k of miniature electronics and some other random stuff.
No idea how much it's worth or how much profit i made, but i did invest an extra 300m when robotics were at 11k.
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Arthor Dark
Nex Exercitus
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.04 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Isk sink the event was because all those 10's (100's??) of billion of isk left the "system". Any isk you gain will have to come from another player whose isk is not always from a faucet but was pre-existing.
Now, I know for some of you that doesn't matter. Video game mentality and all that jazz. However I think that for those who go beyond the shallow end of the thinking pool - that is something to discuss.
That was alot of isk that left the system, but now things have also gotten worse, the isk will no longer escape to NPC POS goods, or other removed NPC goods - which was, over the years that they existed, an isk sink for vast amounts of isk that will now circulate around. In the long run, this should devalue isk even further - so buy some PLEXs now :)
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Jan VanRijkdom
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Posted - 2010.07.04 05:48:00 -
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Edited by: Jan VanRijkdom on 04/07/2010 05:52:50
Edited by: Jan VanRijkdom on 04/07/2010 05:48:25
Originally by: Shar Tegral
I don't even have to make an effort to remain unique in this community. I open my mouth and prove it all the time. Sometimes it is genius, sometimes pure comedy gold at my own expense, almost always it is ugly and rude. CCP seems to like it as much as I do. They have not hammered me in any way and trust me I'm quite free with my opinion(s) no matter who is the subject of them.
Oh Shar, you're like the grumpy nosy old guy at the end of the street, yelling at all the kids, but all the kids just smile, knowing you're oddly and in a roundabout way somehow trying to do a good thing, with all the yelling and scolding. 
And yes, apparently CCP doesn't seem to care what you say. I've been warned for trolling, and if I have and you haven't, (as I *ahem* infer from your statement ), then you indeed have free reign lol.
It's kinda entertaining though.
I atm have no earthly idea of my profit....I'm just stockpiling goods, as in my view certain goods will go up in value in the future, so...profit:TBD.
I'm not the most efficient trader/marketeer, I know, but I entertain myself, and that's the important part for me.
As far as actual participating in any PI itself...I put a lvl 4 CC down on 1 planet in lowsec, only to be run off....and haven't tried again since, that was about a week ago. I think I'll skill up a bit more, then try it again later. In whatever degree I participate in PI, it will be for mostly educational purposes, as it can only help me in my understanding of the supply/demand for the various PI goods, which will I hope allow me to make more informed decisions in buying/selling PI goods.
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Janice Polito
Tech 3 Hotsauce Limited
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Posted - 2010.07.04 05:56:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Secondly, this has to have been the single biggest most numero uno player voluntary isk sinking ever.
And combined with a stockpile nerf, this would've worked well. But the nerf never came, so the losers aren't the people who stockpiled - they're the people who didn't stockpile.
There's still a few adjustments CCP could make that would devalue stockpiles substantially (and improve PI at the same time), but it's getting to the point where they've waited too long. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.07.04 06:02:00 -
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Am I the only one who keeps checking prices several times a day despite knowing it's going to be months before a selloff?
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Kerfira
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.07.04 07:59:00 -
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Bought some high-tech transmitters a few years back for some LP (think a few 1000's)... This was (way) before the LP store...
Sold them earlier this week at 400+M Isk
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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SirRalph
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.07.04 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
[justify]I'm baffled: Is this thread to discuss profit made from engaging in Planetary Infrastructure or profit made from exploiting the system prior to the release of Planetary Infrastructure?
I'll answer both ways just in case:
Pre-PI:
I spent 0 isk on any NPC goods for sale regardless of the fact that CCP doesn't have the balls to punish people for exploiting, players or T20... err... Devs alike.
That being said, there used to be a fair bit of profit buying up T2 production related goods and moving them around for the convenience of others. All the while charging a premium for the relocation of course. Had quite a bit of such stock available that did not make it up on the market(s) due to recent case of lazy ass. Those items brought me some good profit.
Fail!
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