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Phantom Marauder	Posted - 2010.07.06 01:58:00 - [31] No, Helicity, actually it's about 9 days a pop and we're on the third Hulkageddon for this year so far. And you aren't paying these miners' subs so you shouldn't be able to control what they can do or when on a whim. Of course, this is actually because of faulty game mechanics on CCP's part that cater to gankers, making harvesters in this game have to leave their fight skills, ships and fittings in a dock just to mine anything near a decent amount, never mind the absurdity of ganker insurance payouts for Concord kills. In other open PvP games, you always have all your fight skills and weaponry on you no matter what you are doing so you can always fight back, and in the event that a much higher-level ganker kills you, he gets nothing for it. Here, everything is totally the opposite in favor of the ganker. Quite frankly, I have never seen an MMORPG that treats its harvesters so poorly, which is even more odd considering that practically every ship and fitting in the game is crafted from ore. Originally by: Helicity Boson Originally by: Mandariner Well i still wonder why there is a hulkageddon, but no such thing as a campageddon. Probably has something to do with the dps of the average mining barge. Because that is what we do the other odd 50 or so weeks of the year? duh.
Gladys Pank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.07.06 02:09:00 - [32] Originally by: Phantom Marauder you aren't paying these miners' subs so you shouldn't be able to control what they can do or when on a whim. ...Of course, this is actually because of faulty game mechanics on CCP's part that cater to gankers, making harvesters in this game have to leave their fight skills, ships and fittings in a dock just to mine anything near a decent amount... Here, everything is totally the opposite in favor of the ganker. ...practically every ship and fitting in the game is crafted from ore. LMAO, just because you think you should be able to do what you like without interruption from other participants in an MMO doesn't make it so. This game doesn't feature arbitrary cotton wool treatments for it's weak. Adapt or die. Cry more noob.
Lost Greybeard	Posted - 2010.07.06 05:24:00 - [33] Originally by: Phantom Marauder Quite frankly, I have never seen an MMORPG that treats its harvesters so poorly, which is even more odd considering that practically every ship and fitting in the game is crafted from ore. So? The entire economy runs on isk, the ultimate source of which is missions. I don't see a bunch of threads where the mission runners, who are doing basically the same thing you miners do but with slightly shinier graphics, complain about how "faulty game mechanics" allow ninja looters to come take their stuff and/or engage them in combat when they don't have a painter or point or web or any other number of near-indispensable pvp fittings on them. Plus, in the course of their isk-harvesting, the game itself can kill them with no player interference whatsoever! How lame is that? FIX, CCP, FIX!
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.07.06 05:57:00 - [34] Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: The Rastafarian What is the point of people that whine and cry about carebears when you cannot leave highsec anyway without running into a gatecamp and being podded? Has anyone watched these gate camps and notice how it behaves eerily like macro miners? In lowsec its not "pirates", it's "blues" and "Reds". Most "goodguy" corps consider non blues to mean red. Either way its a mute point, get a scout or scout yourself in a jumpclone in a shuttle. Lowsec is hard for new players but not new characters. my alt went to lowsec his first day. yeah the point was MUTED alright, so we never heard it.. you lose credibility when you use words you dont know the definition or spelling of. Anyone send me a mail in game for the alt of applebabe? I have some hunting to do
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.07.06 06:29:00 - [35] hulkaggedon is an organized griefing that benefits noone, for killing random miners for the lols of the tears. that is by definition against the EULA of the game. so why does CCP allow it? because so many people do it, that they'd lose a lot of income banning them all. its like the "dont throw rocks in glass house" policy. if its just 20 or 30 people, sure they can do something about it. but if they banned 500 people, they'd get way too much backlash and loss of income to be worth it. So really, all you have to do is get lots and lots of players to break the EULA in a united front, just like this, and CCP wont dare move a muscle. the only thing that differs about this and RMT is that RMT is illegally selling intellectual property and costing CCP money, whereas this isn't really costing CCP money unless people leave the game over being suicide ganked. Anyone send me a mail in game for the alt of applebabe? I have some hunting to do
Movarer	Posted - 2010.07.06 07:18:00 - [36] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 hulkaggedon is an organized griefing that benefits noone, for killing random miners for the lols of the tears. that is by definition against the EULA of the game. so why does CCP allow it? because so many people do it, that they'd lose a lot of income banning them all. its like the "dont throw rocks in glass house" policy. if its just 20 or 30 people, sure they can do something about it. but if they banned 500 people, they'd get way too much backlash and loss of income to be worth it. So really, all you have to do is get lots and lots of players to break the EULA in a united front, just like this, and CCP wont dare move a muscle. the only thing that differs about this and RMT is that RMT is illegally selling intellectual property and costing CCP money, whereas this isn't really costing CCP money unless people leave the game over being suicide ganked. This is so wrong my eyes hurt reading it.. You find mining fun, Others find shooting you fun, Popping a Hulk with a dessy fleet and looting+salvaging is a SOLID income for a pirate corp, compared to the hit/miss that is camping gates its one of the few very predictable income sources for a pirate(PVP sources that is). Play the game the way you like it, I wont go DEMANDING CCP REMOVING MINERS FROM HIGHSEC CAUSE THEY ARE PROTECTED WUAHWUAH or whatever. But neither should you demand people play the game differently either. ~~
Shade Millith Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.07.06 07:24:00 - [37] Edited by: Shade Millith on 06/07/2010 07:25:39 Originally by: 1Ekrid1 hulkaggedon is an organized griefing that benefits noone, for killing random miners for the lols of the tears. that is by definition against the EULA of the game. so why does CCP allow it? because so many people do it, that they'd lose a lot of income banning them all. its like the "dont throw rocks in glass house" policy. if its just 20 or 30 people, sure they can do something about it. but if they banned 500 people, they'd get way too much backlash and loss of income to be worth it. So really, all you have to do is get lots and lots of players to break the EULA in a united front, just like this, and CCP wont dare move a muscle. the only thing that differs about this and RMT is that RMT is illegally selling intellectual property and costing CCP money, whereas this isn't really costing CCP money unless people leave the game over being suicide ganked. You gonna make up some more fake logs that prove that nobody benefits from this? Nobody benefits? Prices of hulks and equipment aren't fixed you know. Something like this, while not really having much of an impact in real numbers, will still cause prices to rise. Fear and uncertainty have that effect. Ore prices will fluxuate too. Again, fear and uncertainty, mixed with people looking to control the market, will cause prices to spike. These reasons are more than enough to avoid said EULA line. Or it's just a way of us PVP lashing out because we cannot beat AC legions that launch 5 Ogre II's and manage to bend time and space :< ------------------------
Gladys Pank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.07.06 07:31:00 - [38] Originally by: Shade Millith It's just a way of us PVP lashing out because we cannot beat AC legions that launch 5 Ogre II's and manage to bend time and space :<
Iamien Democracy of Klingon Brothers R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.07.06 07:32:00 - [39] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 hulkaggedon is an organized griefing that benefits noone I stock up on cheap hulks before hulkageddon, I then sell them after the prices have went up enough, there it just benefited me and many others that think like me. Now assuming that I do not have to buy ships before the ore prices return to normal, I get a nice return on investment due to hulkageddon increasing the risk to gathering ore as well as increasing the demand for hulks.
Zaqar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2010.07.06 08:48:00 - [40] Originally by: Iamien Originally by: 1Ekrid1 hulkaggedon is an organized griefing that benefits noone I stock up on cheap hulks before hulkageddon, I then sell them after the prices have went up enough, there it just benefited me and many others that think like me. Now assuming that I do not have to buy ships before the ore prices return to normal, I get a nice return on investment due to hulkageddon increasing the risk to gathering ore as well as increasing the demand for hulks. Did you not read? It benefits no-one. Because some disturbed kid says so! Regardless of facts!
Sisohiv	Posted - 2010.07.06 16:28:00 - [41] Originally by: Gladys Pank Originally by: Phantom Marauder you aren't paying these miners' subs so you shouldn't be able to control what they can do or when on a whim. ...Of course, this is actually because of faulty game mechanics on CCP's part that cater to gankers, making harvesters in this game have to leave their fight skills, ships and fittings in a dock just to mine anything near a decent amount... Here, everything is totally the opposite in favor of the ganker. ...practically every ship and fitting in the game is crafted from ore. LMAO, just because you think you should be able to do what you like without interruption from other participants in an MMO doesn't make it so. This game doesn't feature arbitrary cotton wool treatments for it's weak. Adapt or die. Cry more noob. Paying to entertain ****s isnt needed in EvE. There is plenty of PvP in all three. High sec, low and null. If I didnt know that to be a fact I might see the need to force it on to the unwilling. Knowing better? I just see this behaviour as hatefull and most do.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.07.06 17:09:00 - [42] Aside from Tama, Rancer, Ammake and maybe Jan, please show me lowsec areas that people are actually in, and camping gates I can autopilot 50 jumps from Jita, all lowsec, to the EVE gate without seeing 1 single person on a gate during peak times on a weekend. The only reason people think you can't get into lowsec is b/c they haven't tried out of fear of losing their pixels. Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.07.06 17:09:00 - [43] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 hulkaggedon is an organized griefing that benefits noone Who is this Noone fellow? It's Peter Noone, isn't it? What interest does a 60's era musician have in a spaceship game?? What sinister mechanations has he set upon our fair community? why the hatred for Hulks? i must know. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Ana Vyr	Posted - 2010.07.06 17:24:00 - [44] It IS organized griefing, but I wouldn't go as far as saying it benfits noone. The markets get stimulated a bit, the folks who stockpile get some benefit, the price of ore might nudge up a wee bit, the builders who make gank ships get a benefit, and the gankers themselves get some joy out of killing helpless miners. The dedicated miners get the shaft unless they do something else, such as one of the things listed above. The only thing that really bugs me about Hulkageddon are the justifications they post when really it's all about griefing the folks who can't shoot back and hoping they cry about it so they can savour the superiority they feel in such moments.
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.07.06 17:32:00 - [45] Originally by: Phantom Marauder No, Helicity, actually it's about 9 days a pop and we're on the third Hulkageddon for this year so far. And you aren't paying these miners' subs so you shouldn't be able to control what they can do or when on a whim. 1) it's the 2nd one this year 2) I can do whatever I like as long as it's within the game mechanics. Try and stop me. wimp.
Andrea Skye Caldari The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.07.06 17:34:00 - [46] What a bunch of whiney ***es. HARDEN THE ** UP.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.07.06 17:35:00 - [47] Originally by: Andrea Skye What a bunch of whiney ***es. HARDEN THE UP. Originally by:** CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
enterprisePSI Gallente Unimatrix 0.1	Posted - 2010.07.06 18:00:00 - [48] Edited by: enterprisePSI on 06/07/2010 17:59:58 Why you perverts want people to harden up? You're sick! Tears, or the titan dies!
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.07.06 18:14:00 - [49] "All of life is forged from hell; Our ancestors struggled with this paradox; But today we take Solace in our past; We embrace this fire; It is who we are; Our destiny must spawn havoc in the name of preserving the future life; Do not weep for us; Or fear the path that we've chosen; It should come to pass that the fire in the depth of our soul returns those who would defy us to the hell from whence they came; For there can be no other destiny but our own." We are but the Fist of Evolution. Creating progress through conflict. Separating the weak from the strong, the fools from the wise. Verily. (source for above text, old EVE trailer: http://www.eveonline.com/download/videos/Default.asp?a=download&vid=146 Go watch it, spinechilling stuff)
Ana Vyr	Posted - 2010.07.06 18:17:00 - [50] You have to admit that Hulkageddon stirs up the community. The forums, at least, have been very entertaining lately.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.07.06 18:20:00 - [51] Originally by: Helicity Boson "All of life is forged from hell; Our ancestors struggled with this paradox; But today we take Solace in our past; We embrace this fire; It is who we are; Our destiny must spawn havoc in the name of preserving the future life; Do not weep for us; Or fear the path that we've chosen; It should come to pass that the fire in the depth of our soul returns those who would defy us to the hell from whence they came; For there can be no other destiny but our own." We are but the Fist of Evolution. Creating progress through conflict. Separating the weak from the strong, the fools from the wise. Verily. (source for above text, old EVE trailer: http://www.eveonline.com/download/videos/Default.asp?a=download&vid=146 Go watch it, spinechilling stuff) Can you confirm or deny rumors that Peter Noone of Herman's Hermits is the mastermind behind Hulkageddon? My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Seith Silverstein Something Rotten	Posted - 2010.07.06 18:23:00 - [52] You'd think that when the Devs finally get around to making a song about their game, and decide to call it HARDEN THE **** UP, people would learn that making people whine and cry and emo all over their keyboards is the base principle of the game. Happiness in Eve is a zero-sum quantity. That fun you have blowing up rocks in high sec? I want it. I'm going to take it. Try to stop me. That's Eve.
Inka Kaoru The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.07.06 21:23:00 - [53] Originally by: Phantom Marauder Quite frankly, I have never seen an MMORPG that treats its harvesters so poorly, which is even more odd considering that practically every ship and fitting in the game is crafted from ore. It's for their own good. -
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.06 21:40:00 - [54] Originally by: Phantom Marauder Of course, this is actually because of faulty game mechanics on CCP's part that cater to gankers, making harvesters in this game have to leave their fight skills, ships and fittings in a dock just to mine anything near a decent amount, never mind the absurdity of ganker insurance payouts for Concord kills. What's faulty about them? That it's possible to hide in corps that can't be otherwise attacked, and that there are mechanics in place to still let you attack the logistics of such an operation? Quote: In other open PvP games, you always have all your fight skills and weaponry on you no matter what you are doing so you can always fight back, Sounds more like those other games are flawed, since it doesn't particularly encourage team work, support, and having specified roles. The point is that you don't need to have any combat gear on your mining ship if you do things properly: there won't be anything around that can attack you. And, of course, you do always have all your fight skills on youà Quote: and in the event that a much higher-level ganker kills you, he gets nothing for it. Here, everything is totally the opposite in favor of the ganker. àin other words, they're not "open PvP" games. They're duel games with no point or reason behind the combat. Then again, since EVE doesn't have levels, the comparison is flawed to begin with. Quote: Quite frankly, I have never seen an MMORPG that treats its harvesters so poorly, which is even more odd considering that practically every ship and fitting in the game is crafted from ore. It's only odd if you assume that they are needed, which isn't really the case. They're handy, and they keep prices down to where it's dead cheap to attack them, but there are plenty of others who can fill that role. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.06 21:45:00 - [55] I have to start selling waterproof keyboards.
Spectre3353 Gallente The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.07.06 23:35:00 - [56] Originally by: Miilla I have to start selling waterproof keyboards. You would make a fortune! ----- My Blog
The Crushah Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.07.07 00:31:00 - [57] I feel the need to paraphrase that fine thespian Stallone: Miners are the disease, and im the cure.
Aerilis Gallente Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.07.07 00:59:00 - [58] Camping hi-sec gate in low-sec != PvP
Taedrin Gallente Xovoni Directorate	Posted - 2010.07.07 05:21:00 - [59] Originally by: The Rastafarian What is the point of people that whine and cry about carebears when you cannot leave highsec anyway without running into a gatecamp and being podded? Has anyone watched these gate camps and notice how it behaves eerily like macro miners? Actually, the vast majority of low sec systems are not camped. Even most of the high sec <-> low sec gates aren't camped. True, there are a few systems which are frequently camped. But you should actually do a bit of research before you make statements like that. In actuality, you CAN make a living out in low sec. It might be a bit harder, and you will eventually get caught and die. But by keeping your wits about you, you can keep those moments far and few between. ---------- Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident" Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.07.07 05:44:00 - [60] Originally by: Aerilis Camping hi-sec gate in low-sec != PvP I dare you to give arguments to support that. I double dare you!

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