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The Rastafarian
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Posted - 2010.07.04 18:11:00 -
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What is the point of people that whine and cry about carebears when you cannot leave highsec anyway without running into a gatecamp and being podded?
Has anyone watched these gate camps and notice how it behaves eerily like macro miners?
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.04 18:20:00 -
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 Originally by: The Rastafarian
What is the point of people that whine and cry about carebears when you cannot leave highsec anyway without running into a gatecamp and being podded?
What is the point in speculating about this when you have clearly not looked into getting into lowsec in a route that isn't camped?
Pirates don't camp every system that has a hisec connection.
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Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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WhiteSavage
Gallente
Ever Flow
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.04 18:20:00 -
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hmmm... macro pvp....
lol
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Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.07.04 18:20:00 -
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Exactly 0/10 
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Fyretracker Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.04 18:22:00 -
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Low sec used to be scary for making a shopping run for something cheap. then i got a Crane. Cloakships are so much fun to snoop around low sec with.
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The Rastafarian
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Posted - 2010.07.04 18:27:00 -
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I guess my point is instead of crying about people that are in hisec do something about all the campers keeping them there instead.
People aren't staying in hiec for fear of losing a ship, they do it because if it leads to the same end result there is no reason to go into lowsec.
Things like Hulkageddon, it's easy for everyone to blame the miner, but the miner is not the cause of this problem.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: The Rastafarian
What is the point of people that whine and cry about carebears when you cannot leave highsec anyway without running into a gatecamp and being podded?
Has anyone watched these gate camps and notice how it behaves eerily like macro miners?
In lowsec its not "pirates", it's "blues" and "Reds". Most "goodguy" corps consider non blues to mean red. Either way its a mute point, get a scout or scout yourself in a jumpclone in a shuttle. Lowsec is hard for new players but not new characters. my alt went to lowsec his first day.
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Darth Kilth
Minmatar
DRAMA Inc
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:31:00 -
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There are plenty of ways to get into low-sec without running in a Gate camp, in fact I got a low-sec entrance just a few jumps from where I live that has so far NEVER been camped.... to my knowledge.
Just use a disposable ship and a jump clone to probe for a good place to enter low-sec. I could give more general tips like check the map and such but I'm pretty sure you heard those before.
Most campers are just carebears with an eye patch anyway. 
Originally by: CCP Capslock
OH GOD THE TESTING
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Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:48:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 04/07/2010 20:51:37
Tbh I'm very scared & afraid but I did like 10 small cargo courier in lowsec and I never lost a ship. It's dangerous for slow ships but it's hard to camp a gate against fast frigates. Saw quite some industrial wrecks and met a few gatecamps. They can't use interdictors in lowsec so it's not as dangerous as nulsec gatecamps.
Not sure though what I should do in lowsec anyway?!
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Mandariner
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Posted - 2010.07.04 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: The Rastafarian
Things like Hulkageddon, it's easy for everyone to blame the miner, but the miner is not the cause of this problem.
Well i still wonder why there is a hulkageddon, but no such thing as a campageddon. Probably has something to do with the dps of the average mining barge.
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Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.04 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Mandariner
Well i still wonder why there is a hulkageddon, but no such thing as a campageddon. Probably has something to do with the dps of the average mining barge.
Because that is what we do the other odd 50 or so weeks of the year?
duh.
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Mist3r Evil
Caldari
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.07.04 22:07:00 -
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there are gate camps in Eve..?? in my EvE ..?? why i never
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BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2010.07.05 01:01:00 -
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I've been playing 18 months and never lost a ship yet......
Now I've had many destroyed but I always knew where they were, they were never lost...
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RentableMuffin
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Posted - 2010.07.05 01:34:00 -
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get some buddies and bust the gatecamp, HTFU
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knowonecanknow
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.07.05 01:34:00 -
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If you get podded in low sec you fail as a pilot.
On a side note, I go from high sec > low sec > null sec all the time with out getting killed at a gate camp.
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Simply Human
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Posted - 2010.07.05 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: The Rastafarian
Has anyone watched these gate camps and notice how it behaves eerily like macro miners?
That's because you kill more frigates mining than in a gatecamp. |
The Rastafarian
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Posted - 2010.07.05 02:58:00 -
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actually I thought about it and i just resubbed and this hulk crap is as good of any to cancel my 2 accounts i use to mine, i am a casual player and i dont like to mission, so it leaves me to mine and now i gotta deal with hulkageddon on top of just your normal ore theives everyday.
so ccp loses 2 more accounts, just can't justify paying for a game i gotta find ways to play around the greifing.
flame all you want, doesnt matter.
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Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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Posted - 2010.07.05 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: The Rastafarian
hulkageddon ... greifing.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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ObviousTroll Alt
Gallente
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2010.07.05 04:30:00 -
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Lowsex is not difficult to fly in. It is also not particularly difficult to survive in either. Don't fly anything you are not willing to lose, and don't stay stationary. Never warp to 0 on a planet, moon or belt. Learn Cloaking skills. Be willing to go balls out if you get tackled, even if you don't stand a chance. Expect the ship your flying will eventually (likely sooner, than later) get blown up. Have fun. \o/ Win.
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Cole Y0unger
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.07.05 04:34:00 -
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Originally by: The Rastafarian
actually I thought about it and i just resubbed and this hulk crap is as good of any to cancel my 2 accounts i use to mine, i am a casual player and i dont like to mission, so it leaves me to mine and now i gotta deal with hulkageddon on top of just your normal ore theives everyday.
so ccp loses 2 more accounts, just can't justify paying for a game i gotta find ways to play around the greifing.
flame all you want, doesnt matter.
So much fail here, look park your frikin barges for a week and mission, then after Hulkawhine is over go back to suckin on Scordite popcicles..
Or better yet can i haz ur stuffs? 
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JohnSco
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Posted - 2010.07.05 21:23:00 -
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Really? Quitting over this? C'mon. Show some backbone and find another way to cope.
Things like this are just a part of the EVE 'charm', and finding ways of getting around them are a part of the challenge. Nothing in RL is easy, so why should things be easy here?
For example; Would you walk through downtown Oakland while wearing gold jewelry and flashing a wad of cash for all to see? At night? Not me. No way. And being warned ahead of time that it's dangerous to do that would make me carry a gun if I had to go there - but I'd still hide the jewelry and the cash. Do the same. Cope. Find another way to do other things during this time. Just don't bore us to death with your whining!
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The Rastafarian
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Posted - 2010.07.05 21:28:00 -
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your pvp whining is worse than mine, because it never stops, it goes on for years, do i as a miner cry about you ratting, no, we never do, imagine that.
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Mella Elcus
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Posted - 2010.07.05 21:38:00 -
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Edited by: Mella Elcus on 05/07/2010 21:39:04
The gate camps are not the problem. For even if a hulk don't die at the gate it'll most likely die at a belt a couple of minutes later. And all this for less isk per hour than mining plag in highsec
Originally by: JohnSco
would make me carry a gun if I had to go there
America...
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Cozmik R5
Minmatar
Chaosstorm Corporation
Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2010.07.05 22:25:00 -
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If you quit over this it's kinda worse than whining, is it not?
Oh.... stuff... delete it, I don't need it.
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Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. |
JohnSco
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Posted - 2010.07.05 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: JohnSco
would make me carry a gun if I had to go there
America...
Sounds like jealousy to me - at least we can nullnullown[i]a gun, and since I'm authorized to carry one, I do anyway.
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Aqriue
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Posted - 2010.07.05 23:27:00 -
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Couple of bottlenecks of EVE that really annoy me:
1. slow, linear, one skill at a time for rank 5 basic skills. 4 days +hull, 8 days + armor, 16 days +cap, over 6 weeks +shield, increasing your powergrid/CPU then not having enough so you got to train multiple "-PG/CPU upgrade skills". When done, let simmer in frustration and boredom that your now done but the world is now wide open for...more training to spec in an actual ship!
2. Straight line piloting. You can only warp to Celestial A from Celestial B, making Bookmark C, and U-turning back. Grats! Your now "deep space" from any celestial while still being in system. When in any other Science Ficiton Universe you could just magically appear anywhere in system through some complicated engine. So glad that 99.999999999% of all combat is limited to only a handful of positions in any system: Station, POS, Belts, Planets...
3. Gates. FFS! I hate gate camping. Just lost an Atron yesterday on my other character , no biggy. Bastards haven't even put the KM up, I am so disappointed  . Maps says 8 ships destroyed passed hour...hm, can't be that bad... only other way is long complicated route through null and its only high-low-high-high for the pick up of the item. Jump in! So there I was, sounded by yellow downward pointing arrows, blinking -10 red lights...WTZ! SCRAM! 2X TARGET PAINTING! Caldri missiles to the right, fast locked 800mm auto cannons to the left, Heavy neutron II just missing me as I duck. 3 seconds from uncloaking, it was over, just about broke my mouse hammering warp to the next gate. Today, the same guys are still camping the gate. And EVE PVP is supposed to be hardcore requiring skills and tactics?  Its got to be boring doing nothing all day.
So, the moral of the story is. Working as intended. CCP is still puzzled why some players are not interested in their crappy PVP ideals (slow CounterStrike fights of shooting through hitpoint buffers with broken active tank skills and blob hammerdown fleets, why train I don't know?). lulsuxor pilots still *****ing about lack of targets, while driving away those targets. Highsec pilots minding their own business, carrying along. Highsec rats (PC players *****ing about NPC corp pilots cause they love their sec status so much. And the world turns...
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Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.07.05 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Aqriue
3 seconds from uncloaking, it was over, just about broke my mouse hammering warp to the next gate. Today, the same guys are still camping the gate. And EVE PVP is supposed to be hardcore requiring skills and tactics? Its got to be boring doing nothing all day.
So, the moral of the story is. Working as intended. CCP is still puzzled why some players are not interested in their crappy PVP ideals (slow CounterStrike fights of shooting through hitpoint buffers with broken active tank skills and blob hammerdown fleets, why train I don't know?). lulsuxor pilots still *****ing about lack of targets, while driving away those targets. Highsec pilots minding their own business, carrying along. Highsec rats (PC players *****ing about NPC corp pilots cause they love their sec status so much. And the world turns...
You are terrible.
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Felix Esperium
Lysergic Distortions Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.07.05 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Aqriue
I'm not sure this is the right game for you.
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Weesa Wanderstar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.06 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: The Rastafarian
actually I thought about it and i just resubbed and this hulk crap is as good of any to cancel my 2 accounts i use to mine, i am a casual player and i dont like to mission, so it leaves me to mine and now i gotta deal with hulkageddon on top of just your normal ore theives everyday.
so ccp loses 2 more accounts, just can't justify paying for a game i gotta find ways to play around the greifing.
flame all you want, doesnt matter.
Not going to flame you. Just offering the alternative. Adapt?
There's lots of ways suggested in the forums to handle Hulkageddon. Some players are trying something new with their existing character, or make a new character before trying something new. Some miners are planning to fight back or have escorts. Some miners are even holding ore-mining contests or joining in on Hulkageddon.
I mine, but not gonna during Hulkageddon. I plan to do the career missions and Sisters of EVE. Free stuff and ISK! Who can say no to free stuff and ISK? 
All of the above are positive ways to handle this event. Cancelling your two accounts isn't going to make Hulkaggedon go away.
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Skydell
Umbrella Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.06 01:31:00 -
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Combat Macros are very common in EvE.
Unlike high sec where its the result of mind numbingly boring PvE and other repetition, 0.0 sec resorted to macro based combat to deal with the crippling lagg.
As far as Hulkageddon goes, it has nothing to do with mining. Its an excuse to camp high sec without being seen as a 'carebear'. When in fact they are just that. To any miner impacted by this, get a blockade runner, head for faction 0.0 sec and do some PI. Let the real carebears of EvE sit on the high sec gates and moan about no targets. |
Phantom Marauder
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Posted - 2010.07.06 01:58:00 -
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No, Helicity, actually it's about 9 days a pop and we're on the third Hulkageddon for this year so far. And you aren't paying these miners' subs so you shouldn't be able to control what they can do or when on a whim.
Of course, this is actually because of faulty game mechanics on CCP's part that cater to gankers, making harvesters in this game have to leave their fight skills, ships and fittings in a dock just to mine anything near a decent amount, never mind the absurdity of ganker insurance payouts for Concord kills. In other open PvP games, you always have all your fight skills and weaponry on you no matter what you are doing so you can always fight back, and in the event that a much higher-level ganker kills you, he gets nothing for it. Here, everything is totally the opposite in favor of the ganker.
Quite frankly, I have never seen an MMORPG that treats its harvesters so poorly, which is even more odd considering that practically every ship and fitting in the game is crafted from ore.
Originally by: Helicity Boson
Originally by: Mandariner
Well i still wonder why there is a hulkageddon, but no such thing as a campageddon. Probably has something to do with the dps of the average mining barge.
Because that is what we do the other odd 50 or so weeks of the year?
duh.
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Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.07.06 02:09:00 -
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Originally by: Phantom Marauder
you aren't paying these miners' subs so you shouldn't be able to control what they can do or when on a whim.
...Of course, this is actually because of faulty game mechanics on CCP's part that cater to gankers, making harvesters in this game have to leave their fight skills, ships and fittings in a dock just to mine anything near a decent amount...
Here, everything is totally the opposite in favor of the ganker.
...practically every ship and fitting in the game is crafted from ore.
LMAO, just because you think you should be able to do what you like without interruption from other participants in an MMO doesn't make it so. This game doesn't feature arbitrary cotton wool treatments for it's weak. Adapt or die.
Cry more noob.
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2010.07.06 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: Phantom Marauder
Quite frankly, I have never seen an MMORPG that treats its harvesters so poorly, which is even more odd considering that practically every ship and fitting in the game is crafted from ore.
So? The entire economy runs on isk, the ultimate source of which is missions. I don't see a bunch of threads where the mission runners, who are doing basically the same thing you miners do but with slightly shinier graphics, complain about how "faulty game mechanics" allow ninja looters to come take their stuff and/or engage them in combat when they don't have a painter or point or web or any other number of near-indispensable pvp fittings on them.
Plus, in the course of their isk-harvesting, the game itself can kill them with no player interference whatsoever! How lame is that? FIX, CCP, FIX!
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1Ekrid1
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Posted - 2010.07.06 05:57:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: The Rastafarian
What is the point of people that whine and cry about carebears when you cannot leave highsec anyway without running into a gatecamp and being podded?
Has anyone watched these gate camps and notice how it behaves eerily like macro miners?
In lowsec its not "pirates", it's "blues" and "Reds". Most "goodguy" corps consider non blues to mean red. Either way its a mute point, get a scout or scout yourself in a jumpclone in a shuttle. Lowsec is hard for new players but not new characters. my alt went to lowsec his first day.
yeah the point was MUTED alright, so we never heard it..
you lose credibility when you use words you dont know the definition or spelling of.
Anyone send me a mail in game for the alt of applebabe? I have some hunting to do |
1Ekrid1
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Posted - 2010.07.06 06:29:00 -
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hulkaggedon is an organized griefing that benefits noone, for killing random miners for the lols of the tears. that is by definition against the EULA of the game. so why does CCP allow it? because so many people do it, that they'd lose a lot of income banning them all. its like the "dont throw rocks in glass house" policy. if its just 20 or 30 people, sure they can do something about it. but if they banned 500 people, they'd get way too much backlash and loss of income to be worth it. So really, all you have to do is get lots and lots of players to break the EULA in a united front, just like this, and CCP wont dare move a muscle.
the only thing that differs about this and RMT is that RMT is illegally selling intellectual property and costing CCP money, whereas this isn't really costing CCP money unless people leave the game over being suicide ganked.
Anyone send me a mail in game for the alt of applebabe? I have some hunting to do |
Movarer
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Posted - 2010.07.06 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: 1Ekrid1
hulkaggedon is an organized griefing that benefits noone, for killing random miners for the lols of the tears. that is by definition against the EULA of the game. so why does CCP allow it? because so many people do it, that they'd lose a lot of income banning them all. its like the "dont throw rocks in glass house" policy. if its just 20 or 30 people, sure they can do something about it. but if they banned 500 people, they'd get way too much backlash and loss of income to be worth it. So really, all you have to do is get lots and lots of players to break the EULA in a united front, just like this, and CCP wont dare move a muscle.
the only thing that differs about this and RMT is that RMT is illegally selling intellectual property and costing CCP money, whereas this isn't really costing CCP money unless people leave the game over being suicide ganked.
This is so wrong my eyes hurt reading it..
You find mining fun,
Others find shooting you fun,
Popping a Hulk with a dessy fleet and looting+salvaging is a SOLID income for a pirate corp, compared to the hit/miss that is camping gates its one of the few very predictable income sources for a pirate(PVP sources that is).
Play the game the way you like it, I wont go DEMANDING CCP REMOVING MINERS FROM HIGHSEC CAUSE THEY ARE PROTECTED WUAHWUAH or whatever. But neither should you demand people play the game differently either.
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Shade Millith
Caldari
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.07.06 07:24:00 -
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Edited by: Shade Millith on 06/07/2010 07:25:39
Originally by: 1Ekrid1
hulkaggedon is an organized griefing that benefits noone, for killing random miners for the lols of the tears. that is by definition against the EULA of the game. so why does CCP allow it? because so many people do it, that they'd lose a lot of income banning them all. its like the "dont throw rocks in glass house" policy. if its just 20 or 30 people, sure they can do something about it. but if they banned 500 people, they'd get way too much backlash and loss of income to be worth it. So really, all you have to do is get lots and lots of players to break the EULA in a united front, just like this, and CCP wont dare move a muscle.
the only thing that differs about this and RMT is that RMT is illegally selling intellectual property and costing CCP money, whereas this isn't really costing CCP money unless people leave the game over being suicide ganked.
You gonna make up some more fake logs that prove that nobody benefits from this?
Nobody benefits? Prices of hulks and equipment aren't fixed you know. Something like this, while not really having much of an impact in real numbers, will still cause prices to rise. Fear and uncertainty have that effect.
Ore prices will fluxuate too. Again, fear and uncertainty, mixed with people looking to control the market, will cause prices to spike.
These reasons are more than enough to avoid said EULA line.
Or it's just a way of us PVP lashing out because we cannot beat AC legions that launch 5 Ogre II's and manage to bend time and space :<
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Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.07.06 07:31:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Millith
It's just a way of us PVP lashing out because we cannot beat AC legions that launch 5 Ogre II's and manage to bend time and space :<
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Iamien
Democracy of Klingon Brothers
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.07.06 07:32:00 -
[39]
Originally by: 1Ekrid1
hulkaggedon is an organized griefing that benefits noone
I stock up on cheap hulks before hulkageddon, I then sell them after the prices have went up enough, there it just benefited me and many others that think like me. Now assuming that I do not have to buy ships before the ore prices return to normal, I get a nice return on investment due to hulkageddon increasing the risk to gathering ore as well as increasing the demand for hulks.
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Zaqar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.07.06 08:48:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Iamien
Originally by: 1Ekrid1
hulkaggedon is an organized griefing that benefits noone
I stock up on cheap hulks before hulkageddon, I then sell them after the prices have went up enough, there it just benefited me and many others that think like me. Now assuming that I do not have to buy ships before the ore prices return to normal, I get a nice return on investment due to hulkageddon increasing the risk to gathering ore as well as increasing the demand for hulks.
Did you not read? It benefits no-one. Because some disturbed kid says so! Regardless of facts! |
Sisohiv
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Posted - 2010.07.06 16:28:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Gladys Pank
Originally by: Phantom Marauder
you aren't paying these miners' subs so you shouldn't be able to control what they can do or when on a whim.
...Of course, this is actually because of faulty game mechanics on CCP's part that cater to gankers, making harvesters in this game have to leave their fight skills, ships and fittings in a dock just to mine anything near a decent amount...
Here, everything is totally the opposite in favor of the ganker.
...practically every ship and fitting in the game is crafted from ore.
LMAO, just because you think you should be able to do what you like without interruption from other participants in an MMO doesn't make it so. This game doesn't feature arbitrary cotton wool treatments for it's weak. Adapt or die.
Cry more noob.
Paying to entertain ****s isnt needed in EvE. There is plenty of PvP in all three. High sec, low and null. If I didnt know that to be a fact I might see the need to force it on to the unwilling. Knowing better? I just see this behaviour as hatefull and most do. |
Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.07.06 17:09:00 -
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Aside from Tama, Rancer, Ammake and maybe Jan, please show me lowsec areas that people are actually in, and camping gates
I can autopilot 50 jumps from Jita, all lowsec, to the EVE gate without seeing 1 single person on a gate during peak times on a weekend.
The only reason people think you can't get into lowsec is b/c they haven't tried out of fear of losing their pixels.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.07.06 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: 1Ekrid1
hulkaggedon is an organized griefing that benefits noone
Who is this Noone fellow?
It's Peter Noone, isn't it? What interest does a 60's era musician have in a spaceship game?? What sinister mechanations has he set upon our fair community? why the hatred for Hulks? i must know.
My deepest sympathies.
Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Ana Vyr
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Posted - 2010.07.06 17:24:00 -
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It IS organized griefing, but I wouldn't go as far as saying it benfits noone.
The markets get stimulated a bit, the folks who stockpile get some benefit, the price of ore might nudge up a wee bit, the builders who make gank ships get a benefit, and the gankers themselves get some joy out of killing helpless miners.
The dedicated miners get the shaft unless they do something else, such as one of the things listed above.
The only thing that really bugs me about Hulkageddon are the justifications they post when really it's all about griefing the folks who can't shoot back and hoping they cry about it so they can savour the superiority they feel in such moments.
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Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.06 17:32:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Phantom Marauder
No, Helicity, actually it's about 9 days a pop and we're on the third Hulkageddon for this year so far. And you aren't paying these miners' subs so you shouldn't be able to control what they can do or when on a whim.
1) it's the 2nd one this year
2) I can do whatever I like as long as it's within the game mechanics. Try and stop me.
wimp.
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Andrea Skye
Caldari
The Python Cartel.
The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.06 17:34:00 -
[46]
What a bunch of whiney *****es.
HARDEN THE **** UP.
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.07.06 17:35:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Andrea Skye
What a bunch of whiney *****es.
HARDEN THE **** UP.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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enterprisePSI
Gallente
Unimatrix 0.1
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Posted - 2010.07.06 18:00:00 -
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Edited by: enterprisePSI on 06/07/2010 17:59:58
Why you perverts want people to harden up? You're sick!
Tears, or the titan dies!
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Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.06 18:14:00 -
[49]
"All of life is forged from hell; Our ancestors struggled with this paradox; But today we take Solace in our past; We embrace this fire; It is who we are; Our destiny must spawn havoc in the name of preserving the future life; Do not weep for us; Or fear the path that we've chosen; It should come to pass that the fire in the depth of our soul returns those who would defy us to the hell from whence they came; For there can be no other destiny but our own."
We are but the Fist of Evolution. Creating progress through conflict. Separating the weak from the strong, the fools from the wise.
Verily.
(source for above text, old EVE trailer: http://www.eveonline.com/download/videos/Default.asp?a=download&vid=146 Go watch it, spinechilling stuff)
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Ana Vyr
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Posted - 2010.07.06 18:17:00 -
[50]
You have to admit that Hulkageddon stirs up the community. The forums, at least, have been very entertaining lately.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.07.06 18:20:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Helicity Boson
"All of life is forged from hell; Our ancestors struggled with this paradox; But today we take Solace in our past; We embrace this fire; It is who we are; Our destiny must spawn havoc in the name of preserving the future life; Do not weep for us; Or fear the path that we've chosen; It should come to pass that the fire in the depth of our soul returns those who would defy us to the hell from whence they came; For there can be no other destiny but our own."
We are but the Fist of Evolution. Creating progress through conflict. Separating the weak from the strong, the fools from the wise.
Verily.
(source for above text, old EVE trailer: http://www.eveonline.com/download/videos/Default.asp?a=download&vid=146 Go watch it, spinechilling stuff)
Can you confirm or deny rumors that Peter Noone of Herman's Hermits is the mastermind behind Hulkageddon?
My deepest sympathies.
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Seith Silverstein
Something Rotten
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Posted - 2010.07.06 18:23:00 -
[52]
You'd think that when the Devs finally get around to making a song about their game, and decide to call it HARDEN THE **** UP, people would learn that making people whine and cry and emo all over their keyboards is the base principle of the game.
Happiness in Eve is a zero-sum quantity. That fun you have blowing up rocks in high sec? I want it. I'm going to take it. Try to stop me.
That's Eve.
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Inka Kaoru
The Python Cartel.
The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.06 21:23:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Phantom Marauder
Quite frankly, I have never seen an MMORPG that treats its harvesters so poorly, which is even more odd considering that practically every ship and fitting in the game is crafted from ore.
It's for their own good.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.07.06 21:40:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Phantom Marauder
Of course, this is actually because of faulty game mechanics on CCP's part that cater to gankers, making harvesters in this game have to leave their fight skills, ships and fittings in a dock just to mine anything near a decent amount, never mind the absurdity of ganker insurance payouts for Concord kills.
What's faulty about them? That it's possible to hide in corps that can't be otherwise attacked, and that there are mechanics in place to still let you attack the logistics of such an operation?
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In other open PvP games, you always have all your fight skills and weaponry on you no matter what you are doing so you can always fight back,
Sounds more like those other games are flawed, since it doesn't particularly encourage team work, support, and having specified roles. The point is that you don't need to have any combat gear on your mining ship if you do things properly: there won't be anything around that can attack you. And, of course, you do always have all your fight skills on youà
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and in the event that a much higher-level ganker kills you, he gets nothing for it. Here, everything is totally the opposite in favor of the ganker.
àin other words, they're not "open PvP" games. They're duel games with no point or reason behind the combat. Then again, since EVE doesn't have levels, the comparison is flawed to begin with.
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Quite frankly, I have never seen an MMORPG that treats its harvesters so poorly, which is even more odd considering that practically every ship and fitting in the game is crafted from ore.
It's only odd if you assume that they are needed, which isn't really the case. They're handy, and they keep prices down to where it's dead cheap to attack them, but there are plenty of others who can fill that role.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Miilla
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Posted - 2010.07.06 21:45:00 -
[55]
I have to start selling waterproof keyboards.
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Spectre3353
Gallente
The Python Cartel.
The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.06 23:35:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Miilla
I have to start selling waterproof keyboards.
You would make a fortune!
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The Crushah
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.07.07 00:31:00 -
[57]
I feel the need to paraphrase that fine thespian Stallone:
Miners are the disease, and im the cure.
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Aerilis
Gallente
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.07.07 00:59:00 -
[58]
Camping hi-sec gate in low-sec != PvP
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Taedrin
Gallente
Xovoni Directorate
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Posted - 2010.07.07 05:21:00 -
[59]
Originally by: The Rastafarian
What is the point of people that whine and cry about carebears when you cannot leave highsec anyway without running into a gatecamp and being podded?
Has anyone watched these gate camps and notice how it behaves eerily like macro miners?
Actually, the vast majority of low sec systems are not camped. Even most of the high sec <-> low sec gates aren't camped. True, there are a few systems which are frequently camped. But you should actually do a bit of research before you make statements like that.
In actuality, you CAN make a living out in low sec. It might be a bit harder, and you will eventually get caught and die. But by keeping your wits about you, you can keep those moments far and few between.
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Originally by: Dr Fighter
"how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.07 05:44:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Aerilis
Camping hi-sec gate in low-sec != PvP
I dare you to give arguments to support that. I double dare you!
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Aerilis
Gallente
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.07.07 07:52:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Helicity Boson
Originally by: Aerilis
Camping hi-sec gate in low-sec != PvP
I dare you to give arguments to support that. I double dare you!
player versus player, not player ganking player :)
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Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.07 08:07:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Aerilis
Originally by: Helicity Boson
Originally by: Aerilis
Camping hi-sec gate in low-sec != PvP
I dare you to give arguments to support that. I double dare you!
player versus player, not player ganking player :)
a ganking player is still a player.
try again.
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Amaron Ghant
Caldari
Tritanium Space Whales
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.07 08:18:00 -
[63]
Someone wants to blow up hulks, fine, crack on, just spare me the self serving weak justification thats usually trotted out.
Say it how it is: Hulks are juicy and drop nice gear whilst not being able to fight for ****.
Someone wants to gatecamp highsec -> lowsec gates? fine, crack on, just don't continually whine about how lowsec sucks.
Do what you want in the game , but for the love of GOD stop whining about how others play or trying to justify the way YOU play. |
Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.07 08:20:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Amaron Ghant
Someone wants to blow up hulks, fine, crack on, just spare me the self serving weak justification thats usually trotted out.
Say it how it is: Hulks are juicy and drop nice gear whilst not being able to fight for ****.
Someone wants to gatecamp highsec -> lowsec gates? fine, crack on, just don't continually whine about how lowsec sucks.
Do what you want in the game , but for the love of GOD stop whining about how others play or trying to justify the way YOU play.
but semi-false justifications make the best tears. and that is integral to my enjoyment! YOU ARE TEH GRIEFINGZ ME! CCP SHOULD BANZ YOUZ!
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ObviousTroll Alt
Gallente
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2010.07.07 08:42:00 -
[65]
Edited by: ObviousTroll Alt on 07/07/2010 08:43:09
Player #1 (that doesn't 'get' eve): Adjust the game mechanics to suit me! Whine! Whine! EMORAGEQUIT!
Player #2 (that does 'get' eve): Hmm I'll have to learn to adjust my tactics to fit this game's mechanics. It's totally awesome but unlike anything I have ever played before. Wow what a wild ride! \o/ WIN!
I suspect the problem we have here, is a failure of player #1's understanding of the basic mechanics of THIS game. Their further inability (much like the Neanderthal) to adjust to changing conditions and situations. And finally, their singular lack of anything remotely resembling a spine.
Suggested Remedy: Blow them up till the spineless pansies emoragequit and go back to Hello Kitty Online.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.07.07 10:49:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Amaron Ghant
Say it how it is: Hulks are juicy and drop nice gear whilst not being able to fight for ****.
Why would they say that? Hulks don't have anything remotely juicy on them.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.07 10:57:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Amaron Ghant
Say it how it is: Hulks are juicy and drop nice gear whilst not being able to fight for ****.
Why would they say that? Hulks don't have anything remotely juicy on them.
I respectfully disagree.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.07.07 11:01:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Helicity Boson
Originally by: Tippia
Why would they say that? Hulks don't have anything remotely juicy on them.
I respectfully disagree.
Ok, I stand corrected: sensible hulks don't have anything juicy on them, and anything juicy you'd want to fit on a Hulk will get you ganked in any other ship as well.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
EcIipse
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Posted - 2010.07.09 15:33:00 -
[69]
 I think that the players who are against Hulkageddon should just start up some roaming groups for repping miners and target jamming the -5 to -10 reds as they try to gank mining ships. Heck, you could even just get gank groups together and go after them! Concord won't do anything if you go after -5 to -10 criminals.
Use alts just like the gankers do, and use insurance payback to your advantage just like the gankers do.
Hey, this could be fun!
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Captain Yifan
Shadows Of The Requiem
Everto Rex Regis
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Posted - 2010.07.09 15:47:00 -
[70]
I cant understand why people still object to stuffs being blown up, simply put:
1. Ships in EvE do not appear out of nowhere, they are all built by players.
2. If not enough ships (for example, mining vessles) are blown up, then the demand for ships will be tiny, price of ships collapse
3. Noone will build ships anymore as the price crashes
4. The supply and demand dies, eve dies, goodbye eve welcome hellokittyonline
in eve, ships being blown up is a good thing for the market and the game as a whole.
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Dynaverse Corporation
Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.07.09 17:39:00 -
[71]
There are 3 basic arch-types of characters in EVE that are relevant to this conversation... the combat pilot, the pirate, and the miner. All 3 of these are viable game play options and the mechanics of the game allow for them.
The combat pilot spends his time actively looking for fights, either from a defensive posture protecting an area from intrusion or on a more offensive footing actively looking for targets. Even this type of pilot will tend to pick his engagements carefully to ensure a blend of challenge and probability for survival that is to his taste.
The pirates chosen prey is the weak and wealthy. His goal is to maximize his profit and amount of damage he can inflict at a minimal financial risk to himself. He never engages an opponent prepared for combat unless he either has no choice, or the target is worth the risk.
The miner seeks to peacefully gather the largest, most profitable amount of raw materials possible and still survive to make a profit on it in a dangerous universe. The last part of this description is what is often overlooked by many miners, yet it is the most important aspect of their profession.
Instead, many miners tend to...
1: Refuse to cooperate with others in the same profession for protection and intelligence on potential threats.
2: Refuse to outfit their ships with survivability in mind, instead fitting only to maximize profits.
3: Refuse to mine in area's that are recognizably safer, instead they prefer to mine in area's that are more convenient.
4: Refuse to pay attention to possible threats in local, or utilize a scout to monitor what is coming into system, or even keep track of known threats that may be in the area.
5: Utilize tactics while mining to maximize their chances of escaping a gank attempt. Instead, any tactics they employ are designed to make it as easy as possible for the accumulation and hauling of their ore, with no thought of increasing their odds of survival.
6: Fly ships, despite all warnings, that they cannot afford to lose.
7: Complain bitterly on the forums after their death claiming that there was nothing they could do... despite EVE being designed strongly to give the edge to the defender/evader.
As has been said in the past, just because your bio proclaims that you are an honest but capable miner that is quick witted enough to survive in a dark universe, does not make it so. The skills that will keep you alive and profitable on not the ones in your training list, they are the personal skills that you yourself develop.
As to the opinion expressed above that Hulkageddon is considered by the majority as nothing but greifing and dirty game play, you are quite incorrect. Most view events of this nature as part of the spice of EVE, a commodity that is hard to come by in most other games.
Keep in mind that if you are canny enough to survive times of intensified danger such as this you will profit in the end when mineral prices rise due to the event. The tools and tactics are there, if you are willing to put aside your greed and use them.
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Meric Tarvitz
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Posted - 2010.07.09 17:44:00 -
[72]
This whole Hulkageddon thing is cracking me up. I have only been playing for 8 months, but's it's still cool to see something "different" happening in the game.
I decided to hop in my cruiser and go patrol some asteroid belts in hopes of catching some miners getting ganked, and try to help them out, just because it sounded like fun! Didn't care if I got shot up. Unfortunately I didn't find anybody, even after searching 8 different systems...the belts were empty.
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.09 18:07:00 -
[73]
Originally by: The Rastafarian
What is the point of people that whine and cry about carebears when you cannot leave highsec anyway without running into a gatecamp and being podded?
Has anyone watched these gate camps and notice how it behaves eerily like macro miners?
Jump FT's, gate-breaking fleets, blockade runners, carriers, covops....if you can't get by a gate, you're silly.
Once inside 0.0, its free as sin, more so than empire (low sec camps)
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The Rastafarian
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Posted - 2010.07.09 20:26:00 -
[74]
Instead, many miners tend to...
1: Refuse to cooperate with others in the same profession for protection and intelligence on potential threats.
2: Refuse to outfit their ships with survivability in mind, instead fitting only to maximize profits.
3: Refuse to mine in area's that are recognizably safer, instead they prefer to mine in area's that are more convenient.
4: Refuse to pay attention to possible threats in local, or utilize a scout to monitor what is coming into system, or even keep track of known threats that may be in the area.
5: Utilize tactics while mining to maximize their chances of escaping a gank attempt. Instead, any tactics they employ are designed to make it as easy as possible for the accumulation and hauling of their ore, with no thought of increasing their odds of survival.
6: Fly ships, despite all warnings, that they cannot afford to lose.
7: Complain bitterly on the forums after their death claiming that there was nothing they could do... despite EVE being designed strongly to give the edge to the defender/evader.
Every single one of your points make no matter, i have never had an ore thief contact me before harassment, since this game has existed.
Nor will gankers in this event contact you before or will gate campers, there is no communication whatsoever before greifing in this game.
There's a reason mining ships are fitted to maximize mining, because they mine, just as mission pilots fit for combat.
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Molokhe
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Posted - 2010.07.09 21:49:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Amaron Ghant
Someone wants to blow up hulks, fine, crack on, just spare me the self serving weak justification thats usually trotted out.
Say it how it is: Hulks are juicy and drop nice gear whilst not being able to fight for ****.
Sums it up.
You want to destroy unarmed ships, fine, go and enjoy yourself. Just don't preach how you're making the universe a better place or that you're really 'ard and need their tears. 
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Bleu Blood
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Posted - 2010.07.09 22:04:00 -
[76]
Originally by: The Rastafarian
Has anyone watched these gate camps and notice how it behaves eerily like macro miners?
Wow can you actually believe that people have got themselves organised to actually systematically cause carebear tears? Surely not...
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anthonieak
Gallente
SuX ltd.
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Posted - 2010.07.10 00:46:00 -
[77]
Due too hulk attack, many miners seek a different profession in the mean time, like manageging planet for chance or doing missions.
Better they do not mine in belts anymore but in missions itself. Not so easy too find and mostly better ore in it too.
AK
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2010.07.10 01:08:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Mr Epeen on 10/07/2010 01:09:50
Originally by: The Rastafarian
What is the point of people that whine and cry about carebears when you cannot leave highsec anyway without running into a gatecamp and being podded?
Has anyone watched these gate camps and notice how it behaves eerily like macro miners?
Trolling post aside, I have to mention that I have been running into more script kiddies lately.
Gatecamps are an accepted part of jumping into low-sec, but having 8 ships warp in, insta uncloak and pop you when you are in an i-stabbed cov ops as you jump into the system is just wrong. This is not he way it should be. Methinks someone has been playing not nice games with the code again. Most annoying.
Mr Epeen
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Ori Blake
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Posted - 2010.07.10 01:21:00 -
[79]
You can go into lowsec and not get ganked. I felt the same way, but I got so bored with missions I didn't care and I found out ganking is a lot less than you think. You can use the dscan to see a gatecamp and go around. You can do a lot of things.
Even if you lose, it's a game. Why not take the chance and fight back?
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Celn Dor
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Posted - 2010.07.10 04:55:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Celn Dor on 10/07/2010 04:57:51
Don't particularly care for gatecamping / stationcamping but I accept it as a part of the game (although unwelcome).
What I never understood is why there is no ability to scan the "exit end" of any given gate or to scan for ships that may be outside of a station before launching. So you can "pre-scan" the destination before using the jump and decide if you want to jump or not.
It may not be a perfect system, but it would perhaps force basic campers to change their tactics a bit if, due to a skill or simple scan, a player would know what they are gating into. It might force them to be further away from the gate (thus given the potential target a better chance of escape). Or perhaps it would force campers to use better stealth ships, or use up a slot to fit a signature blocker.
Simply something that would level the field just a bit for a potential target.
Anyhow... going camping (not in game mind you... I mean with a tent in a campground).
Cheers!
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DarkStorm1000
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Posted - 2010.07.10 05:21:00 -
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Edited by: DarkStorm1000 on 10/07/2010 05:25:05
Wow, you all waaaay overthink this. We do it for the LOLs. We do it for the billions of ISK in prizes, put up by whoever uses us to manipulate the market. We do it for the entertaining former-Hulk-driver emo-rages.....as if one should never be killed in a GAME. We do it for the fleet discipline required to pull off a 12 jump high sec gank on a potentially moving target, while blinky red with Concord and god knows who else chasing us.....OK, we REALLY do it for the laughs as nothing is more fun than killing someone who thinks he is safe.....
Jeeez you guys who never leave high-sec miss the point of this whole Universe. You are either Hunter or Prey. Way more fun being the hunter and we enjoy spending your loot! Keep Burning holes through more rocks ladies, it's gonna be a busy week. YAAARRR!
http://hulkageddon3.griefwatch.net/index.php?p=ranking
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