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Eyeshadow	Posted - 2004.12.17 09:13:00 - [31] im sorry but not once have i seen any "carebears" (still a fecking stupid term) complain about people travelling super fast so where u got the idea that it was this group of people that got this nerf through i believe u are wrong The reason it came and, i believe, was necessary, was cos when fitting any ship bar a BS, it went something like: "Ok ive got the grid for OAB/MWD or both. Stick them on, make sure i can go as fast as possible. Now thats sorted and cap recharge lets me run it forever, wot offensive stuff can i fit? Crap frig guns? Yeah that'll do, aint gonna matter cos no one is ever gonna hit me with the speed i can travel" Atleast now you can fit a ship that doesnt involve pure speed and woteva else u can squeeze on it. Once missiles are balanced it will be much better. I agree the propulsion changes should prolly have happened after the missile balance, but im sure the devs are working on them already Forums: Sharks - MC
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2004.12.17 09:13:00 - [32] im sorry but not once have i seen any "carebears" (still a fecking stupid term) complain about people travelling super fast so where u got the idea that it was this group of people that got this nerf through i believe u are wrong The reason it came and, i believe, was necessary, was cos when fitting any ship bar a BS, it went something like: "Ok ive got the grid for OAB/MWD or both. Stick them on, make sure i can go as fast as possible. Now thats sorted and cap recharge lets me run it forever, wot offensive stuff can i fit? Crap frig guns? Yeah that'll do, aint gonna matter cos no one is ever gonna hit me with the speed i can travel" Atleast now you can fit a ship that doesnt involve pure speed and woteva else u can squeeze on it. Once missiles are balanced it will be much better. I agree the propulsion changes should prolly have happened after the missile balance, but im sure the devs are working on them already Forums: Sharks - MC
KristofferTr	Posted - 2004.12.17 09:17:00 - [33] I dont like them eihter, however i spent some time swearing about it and then refitted all of the ship that used oversized ABs.... I still hate them though Miner - KristofferTr Fighter - Whitelitch Tactical - Lafiele
KristofferTr	Posted - 2004.12.17 09:17:00 - [34] I dont like them eihter, however i spent some time swearing about it and then refitted all of the ship that used oversized ABs.... I still hate them though Miner - KristofferTr Fighter - Whitelitch Tactical - Lafiele
Jennifer Danz	Posted - 2004.12.17 09:48:00 - [35] The best part about these changes is all the ppl who cant adapt get to die
Jennifer Danz	Posted - 2004.12.17 09:48:00 - [36] The best part about these changes is all the ppl who cant adapt get to die
Tar om	Posted - 2004.12.17 10:01:00 - [37] Originally by: Zelota IM TIERD!I just want to get this thrugh.Care bears of eve we use these mods to pvp for tackeling and anti frigate ruptures.If you cant deal with it and mine veldaspar in peace then i think THE HWOLE PVP comunity of eve shuld declair war on all care bears in empire space that have dumb ideas like that and blow em all up!Just eniolate em for ruining a perfectly fine game.I used to be the best damn apoc pilot in game but then they nerfd sheeld tanking!And that ruined my apoc tactic.I found the rupture and i did well with it.Now they nerfd the rupture and what am i suposto do now?Start training for a raven caus its the best ship in game?No i stick with the apocalypse and i still do.As for killing all care bears.You can get your trit from npc loot its mutch easyer than buying it up in empire.You get money for killing and mods to refine/fit/sell! I'm with you. My twin 100MN AB Rupture is dead - and if inty pilots think they had to invest a lot of skill training in their ships then I'm sure they never tried to fly one of these. The sad thing was it wasn't even overpowered. It was an excellent tackler/anti frig ship but it was vulnerable to heavy nos/webbers just like an inty. Now its cruise missile fodder just like everyone else. Does anyone have a PvP cruiser that can work with the fleet? Or is it all Ravens now? (Yes, I do have a BS, but I'm Minmatar - so its crap) -- We are the Octavian Vanguard www.octavianvanguard.net http://www.serenitymovie.com
Tar om	Posted - 2004.12.17 10:01:00 - [38] Originally by: Zelota IM TIERD!I just want to get this thrugh.Care bears of eve we use these mods to pvp for tackeling and anti frigate ruptures.If you cant deal with it and mine veldaspar in peace then i think THE HWOLE PVP comunity of eve shuld declair war on all care bears in empire space that have dumb ideas like that and blow em all up!Just eniolate em for ruining a perfectly fine game.I used to be the best damn apoc pilot in game but then they nerfd sheeld tanking!And that ruined my apoc tactic.I found the rupture and i did well with it.Now they nerfd the rupture and what am i suposto do now?Start training for a raven caus its the best ship in game?No i stick with the apocalypse and i still do.As for killing all care bears.You can get your trit from npc loot its mutch easyer than buying it up in empire.You get money for killing and mods to refine/fit/sell! I'm with you. My twin 100MN AB Rupture is dead - and if inty pilots think they had to invest a lot of skill training in their ships then I'm sure they never tried to fly one of these. The sad thing was it wasn't even overpowered. It was an excellent tackler/anti frig ship but it was vulnerable to heavy nos/webbers just like an inty. Now its cruise missile fodder just like everyone else. Does anyone have a PvP cruiser that can work with the fleet? Or is it all Ravens now? (Yes, I do have a BS, but I'm Minmatar - so its crap) -- We are the Octavian Vanguard www.octavianvanguard.net http://www.serenitymovie.com
Jennifer Danz	Posted - 2004.12.17 10:08:00 - [39] Originally by: Tar om Originally by: Zelota IM TIERD!I just want to get this thrugh.Care bears of eve we use these mods to pvp for tackeling and anti frigate ruptures.If you cant deal with it and mine veldaspar in peace then i think THE HWOLE PVP comunity of eve shuld declair war on all care bears in empire space that have dumb ideas like that and blow em all up!Just eniolate em for ruining a perfectly fine game.I used to be the best damn apoc pilot in game but then they nerfd sheeld tanking!And that ruined my apoc tactic.I found the rupture and i did well with it.Now they nerfd the rupture and what am i suposto do now?Start training for a raven caus its the best ship in game?No i stick with the apocalypse and i still do.As for killing all care bears.You can get your trit from npc loot its mutch easyer than buying it up in empire.You get money for killing and mods to refine/fit/sell! I'm with you. My twin 100MN AB Rupture is dead - and if inty pilots think they had to invest a lot of skill training in their ships then I'm sure they never tried to fly one of these. The sad thing was it wasn't even overpowered. It was an excellent tackler/anti frig ship but it was vulnerable to heavy nos/webbers just like an inty. Now its cruise missile fodder just like everyone else. Does anyone have a PvP cruiser that can work with the fleet? Or is it all Ravens now? (Yes, I do have a BS, but I'm Minmatar - so its crap) I would love to PvP you. I'll even use a socalled 'crap' Minmatar BS. Well you will need to wait a couple weeks, not even into mastering those yet.
Jennifer Danz	Posted - 2004.12.17 10:08:00 - [40] Originally by: Tar om Originally by: Zelota IM TIERD!I just want to get this thrugh.Care bears of eve we use these mods to pvp for tackeling and anti frigate ruptures.If you cant deal with it and mine veldaspar in peace then i think THE HWOLE PVP comunity of eve shuld declair war on all care bears in empire space that have dumb ideas like that and blow em all up!Just eniolate em for ruining a perfectly fine game.I used to be the best damn apoc pilot in game but then they nerfd sheeld tanking!And that ruined my apoc tactic.I found the rupture and i did well with it.Now they nerfd the rupture and what am i suposto do now?Start training for a raven caus its the best ship in game?No i stick with the apocalypse and i still do.As for killing all care bears.You can get your trit from npc loot its mutch easyer than buying it up in empire.You get money for killing and mods to refine/fit/sell! I'm with you. My twin 100MN AB Rupture is dead - and if inty pilots think they had to invest a lot of skill training in their ships then I'm sure they never tried to fly one of these. The sad thing was it wasn't even overpowered. It was an excellent tackler/anti frig ship but it was vulnerable to heavy nos/webbers just like an inty. Now its cruise missile fodder just like everyone else. Does anyone have a PvP cruiser that can work with the fleet? Or is it all Ravens now? (Yes, I do have a BS, but I'm Minmatar - so its crap) I would love to PvP you. I'll even use a socalled 'crap' Minmatar BS. Well you will need to wait a couple weeks, not even into mastering those yet.
Toran Mehtar	Posted - 2004.12.17 11:07:00 - [41] Now, the biggest argument against the propulsion changes (as opposed to the argument as to why they were made before missile changes) seems to be the dual ab/mwd cruisers. Now I admit these changes do mean that cruisers have few roles within PvP, as they are too vulnerable. What I don't understand, is why people think this heavy interceptor setup is what cruisers should be doing. They were being setup as super-fast frigates with additional hit points, extra slots and improved firepower. Last time I looked we already had those - they're called interceptors. So yes cruisers are pretty useless for PvP right now, but hopefully CCP will get missile changes done asap and work on making them better. Don't, however, start whining that you can no longer use a ship as it was never intended to be used because of a change that has improved the game as a whole. I'm not going to pretend that these changes have made everything rosy, but they're a step in the right direction.
Toran Mehtar	Posted - 2004.12.17 11:07:00 - [42] Now, the biggest argument against the propulsion changes (as opposed to the argument as to why they were made before missile changes) seems to be the dual ab/mwd cruisers. Now I admit these changes do mean that cruisers have few roles within PvP, as they are too vulnerable. What I don't understand, is why people think this heavy interceptor setup is what cruisers should be doing. They were being setup as super-fast frigates with additional hit points, extra slots and improved firepower. Last time I looked we already had those - they're called interceptors. So yes cruisers are pretty useless for PvP right now, but hopefully CCP will get missile changes done asap and work on making them better. Don't, however, start whining that you can no longer use a ship as it was never intended to be used because of a change that has improved the game as a whole. I'm not going to pretend that these changes have made everything rosy, but they're a step in the right direction.
ZelRox	Posted - 2004.12.17 11:07:00 - [43] Yeah kinda lame this change is All of the sudden we have 30+ bs CA fleets running around, and its not fighting those at all :\| ---------------------- I wanna tuc tuc ..
ZelRox	Posted - 2004.12.17 11:07:00 - [44] Yeah kinda lame this change is All of the sudden we have 30+ bs CA fleets running around, and its not fighting those at all :\| ---------------------- I wanna tuc tuc ..
Grimpak	Posted - 2004.12.17 11:19:00 - [45] Edited by: Grimpak on 17/12/2004 11:19:20 as someone said, the problem wasn't the porpulsion changes, but yesthe timing. If they were implemented along the missile changes, think the things would be a bit better. Still now I have more use to that large stock of now more usefull named 1mn AB's ------------------- Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
Grimpak	Posted - 2004.12.17 11:19:00 - [46] Edited by: Grimpak on 17/12/2004 11:19:20 as someone said, the problem wasn't the porpulsion changes, but yesthe timing. If they were implemented along the missile changes, think the things would be a bit better. Still now I have more use to that large stock of now more usefull named 1mn AB's ------------------- Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
Estios	Posted - 2004.12.17 11:24:00 - [47] Edited by: Estios on 17/12/2004 11:33:08 Originally by: Jorev None of you above have 1/10 of Zelota's skills. There's reason to his madness, and I know his frustration. Unfortunately there's nothing that can be done Zel. CA aint what it used to be and neither is EVE. Can I have your stuff ?? Here's a word of advice, MANY PVP'ers who are far better than Zel realise this change is a good one and was needed. BS's and Cruisers were NOT supposed to fly faster than any missle can travel or any turret can track. By all means complain or make valid arguments to support your views if you think something is unbalanced or broken in EVE. But stating that FIXING the game back to where MWD > AB and ships fly at relative speeds is NOT the fault of carebears. If anything you are not even validly complaining you are flat out whining which makes YOU the carebears The propulsion changes are good imo, but I agree that missles are the win right now with their ability to ignore sig radius. And Hellspawn, moving and killing inside nme territory is still a blast. Perhaps now you will realise it requires skilled leadership and pilots as opposed to almost uncatchable ship set ups So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
Estios	Posted - 2004.12.17 11:24:00 - [48] Edited by: Estios on 17/12/2004 11:33:08 Originally by: Jorev None of you above have 1/10 of Zelota's skills. There's reason to his madness, and I know his frustration. Unfortunately there's nothing that can be done Zel. CA aint what it used to be and neither is EVE. Can I have your stuff ?? Here's a word of advice, MANY PVP'ers who are far better than Zel realise this change is a good one and was needed. BS's and Cruisers were NOT supposed to fly faster than any missle can travel or any turret can track. By all means complain or make valid arguments to support your views if you think something is unbalanced or broken in EVE. But stating that FIXING the game back to where MWD > AB and ships fly at relative speeds is NOT the fault of carebears. If anything you are not even validly complaining you are flat out whining which makes YOU the carebears The propulsion changes are good imo, but I agree that missles are the win right now with their ability to ignore sig radius. And Hellspawn, moving and killing inside nme territory is still a blast. Perhaps now you will realise it requires skilled leadership and pilots as opposed to almost uncatchable ship set ups So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
Eonov	Posted - 2004.12.17 11:50:00 - [49] Estios, il just highlight a comment from ur post... coz its bone !!! Ravens (and all the BS's you stuck dual MWD on) and Cruisers are NOT supposed to fly faster than any missle can travel or any turret can track. Are u suggesting that all battles should be a case of sitting still and slogging it out, ooo thatd be ssooo interesting wouldnt it, are u also then suggesting that turrets that can always track an enemy should then always hit an enemy.. no i doubt u are vcoz noone would want that, some1 has pointed out that interceptors are the fast moving hard hitting ships so there is no need to have juiced up ships like the AB rupture ect, i can only shake my head, AB cruisers were very difficult to fly with very intensive skills reqd to make use of them, they eclipsed what was reqd to fly an inty and dont even get started on how easy it is to get to be able to fly a raven. The bottom line was/is the fact that these ships wernt being made unfairly elite it was the pilots skills that made it possible so if an inty for example was ripped apart by a dual AB rupture it wasnt realy an unfairly elite ship that downed it, it was a very elite pilot and if that comment isntliked then blame EVEs skill mechanics becuase its skills that mean somthing in all this not bog standard ship fittings or the odd shiney named bit of gear. For those pilots amongst us that live and work in 0.0 space all appreciate that to survive reqrs skills and imagination, the more we take that out of the game the less inovative the whole thing becomes, to the curse alliance guys that were in this post at the start i fully agree with u, where i come from we have our own rats ect to battle and our own badguys to fend off, being able to tinker with ship fittings to come up with somthing really tough and effective was what made the battles that much more fun, certainly more fun the jumping into BS and going head to head in fleets of the things.., anyway thats my 2 cents worth, the irony is that all those peeps that have been saying "tough, deal with it, adapt or leave" prolly miss the point that skill wise and ability wise those that could fly uber ships will be far more able to adapt and more quickly, until some1 comes up with yet another unfair " his ship shouldnt be able to do that complaint" and the whole thing begins again... ce la vie.
Eonov	Posted - 2004.12.17 11:50:00 - [50] Estios, il just highlight a comment from ur post... coz its bone !!! Ravens (and all the BS's you stuck dual MWD on) and Cruisers are NOT supposed to fly faster than any missle can travel or any turret can track. Are u suggesting that all battles should be a case of sitting still and slogging it out, ooo thatd be ssooo interesting wouldnt it, are u also then suggesting that turrets that can always track an enemy should then always hit an enemy.. no i doubt u are vcoz noone would want that, some1 has pointed out that interceptors are the fast moving hard hitting ships so there is no need to have juiced up ships like the AB rupture ect, i can only shake my head, AB cruisers were very difficult to fly with very intensive skills reqd to make use of them, they eclipsed what was reqd to fly an inty and dont even get started on how easy it is to get to be able to fly a raven. The bottom line was/is the fact that these ships wernt being made unfairly elite it was the pilots skills that made it possible so if an inty for example was ripped apart by a dual AB rupture it wasnt realy an unfairly elite ship that downed it, it was a very elite pilot and if that comment isntliked then blame EVEs skill mechanics becuase its skills that mean somthing in all this not bog standard ship fittings or the odd shiney named bit of gear. For those pilots amongst us that live and work in 0.0 space all appreciate that to survive reqrs skills and imagination, the more we take that out of the game the less inovative the whole thing becomes, to the curse alliance guys that were in this post at the start i fully agree with u, where i come from we have our own rats ect to battle and our own badguys to fend off, being able to tinker with ship fittings to come up with somthing really tough and effective was what made the battles that much more fun, certainly more fun the jumping into BS and going head to head in fleets of the things.., anyway thats my 2 cents worth, the irony is that all those peeps that have been saying "tough, deal with it, adapt or leave" prolly miss the point that skill wise and ability wise those that could fly uber ships will be far more able to adapt and more quickly, until some1 comes up with yet another unfair " his ship shouldnt be able to do that complaint" and the whole thing begins again... ce la vie.
Shocky	Posted - 2004.12.17 11:54:00 - [51] Originally by: Zelota Edited by: Zelota on 17/12/2004 02:28:51 OK people of eve.It is time we get rid of all the greefers in this game.Caus some guy said OMG WAHAHA BU HU I WANA HUG,now i cant play this game the way i wana play it.Im not used to greefing about things if i dont like em(WARP CORE STABS)But messing things up like this is **** you cant even put a ab and a mwd on your ship.FRAGILE as they were,like flys that are soft and easely squishd if they sit stil THATS how its suposto be.CHANGE IT BACK ccp NOW FUNY how people reed alt posts i never do it,Its just for propaganda PROPOLTION CHANGES SUCK cange back NOW! No, ppl like you ruin the game. nuff said.
Shocky	Posted - 2004.12.17 11:54:00 - [52] Originally by: Zelota Edited by: Zelota on 17/12/2004 02:28:51 OK people of eve.It is time we get rid of all the greefers in this game.Caus some guy said OMG WAHAHA BU HU I WANA HUG,now i cant play this game the way i wana play it.Im not used to greefing about things if i dont like em(WARP CORE STABS)But messing things up like this is **** you cant even put a ab and a mwd on your ship.FRAGILE as they were,like flys that are soft and easely squishd if they sit stil THATS how its suposto be.CHANGE IT BACK ccp NOW FUNY how people reed alt posts i never do it,Its just for propaganda PROPOLTION CHANGES SUCK cange back NOW! No, ppl like you ruin the game. nuff said.
Zyrla Bladestorm	Posted - 2004.12.17 11:57:00 - [53] I get the feeling its mostly the devs that didn't like the way propulsion was going (I mean why differentiate ships by 10m/s if everyone goes 2km/s ?) Theyre on record as saying MWD was intended purely to make long journeys/moving about quicker and not to effect combat, these days of course its probably the most fitted module, stacking it with crazy oversized AB's only amplified that problem. . ----- Apologys for any rambling that may have just occurred.
Zyrla Bladestorm	Posted - 2004.12.17 11:57:00 - [54] I get the feeling its mostly the devs that didn't like the way propulsion was going (I mean why differentiate ships by 10m/s if everyone goes 2km/s ?) Theyre on record as saying MWD was intended purely to make long journeys/moving about quicker and not to effect combat, these days of course its probably the most fitted module, stacking it with crazy oversized AB's only amplified that problem. . ----- Apologys for any rambling that may have just occurred.
Estios	Posted - 2004.12.17 12:13:00 - [55] Edited by: Estios on 17/12/2004 12:14:15 First of all I have no idea what bone means ?? sounds kinda ghey Second, NO I dont think all battles should be stand still and slug. Ive been in thousands of PVP encounters and sometimes they've been 100km BS slug fests and other times they've been a group of smaller ships going at it at breakneck speeds and warping in and out. And it still will be, the speed change is relative to everyone You seem to fail to understand anything about game balance and this comment here is laughable: "The bottom line was/is the fact that these ships wernt being made unfairly elite it was the pilots skills that made it possible so if an inty for example was ripped apart by a dual AB rupture it wasnt realy an unfairly elite ship that downed it, it was a very elite pilot and if that comment isntliked then blame EVEs skill mechanics becuase its skills that mean somthing in all" Yes, fitting two MWD's to a Raven was 'elite'. Choosing to fit 2 100mn AB's to your Cruiser and only being able to fit frigate guns was such a 'sacrifice' . Fitting 2 oversized AB's to a cruiser is NOT balanced. It gave you a ship which hit as hard as any frigate ( no bonus but more slots) and travelled faster than any missle could go, any ship could catch, any turret could track AND was cheaper than a ceptor AND had more hit points. Shooting down your lame arguments is pretty easy tbh. I crave balance and fairness in this game and of course skill points should matter but there should NOT be one set up for the win. I could sit down right now and list why this change was for the benefit of EVE but alas I think it would be lost on you because its clear you want your relatively invincible 'elite' speed set ups back which meant you could travel and fight with relatively little actual player skill as your set up kept you safe. Post patch if I want to zoom around at 4km/s tackling BS's in PVP will still fly an Interceptor with an MWD as I always have done. If I want to fight npc's or deadspace or whatever it seems some people want to use this ship for I would use a frigate sized AB. If I want to go out and kill support ships ie frigates and other cruisers I will still fly a cruiser or Muninn or Wolf as I always have done. If you cannot still use a group of frigs or cruisers to kill BS's or other frigs and cruisers then its not your ingame skill points which are lacking, its you actual player skill So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
Estios	Posted - 2004.12.17 12:13:00 - [56] Edited by: Estios on 17/12/2004 12:14:15 First of all I have no idea what bone means ?? sounds kinda ghey Second, NO I dont think all battles should be stand still and slug. Ive been in thousands of PVP encounters and sometimes they've been 100km BS slug fests and other times they've been a group of smaller ships going at it at breakneck speeds and warping in and out. And it still will be, the speed change is relative to everyone You seem to fail to understand anything about game balance and this comment here is laughable: "The bottom line was/is the fact that these ships wernt being made unfairly elite it was the pilots skills that made it possible so if an inty for example was ripped apart by a dual AB rupture it wasnt realy an unfairly elite ship that downed it, it was a very elite pilot and if that comment isntliked then blame EVEs skill mechanics becuase its skills that mean somthing in all" Yes, fitting two MWD's to a Raven was 'elite'. Choosing to fit 2 100mn AB's to your Cruiser and only being able to fit frigate guns was such a 'sacrifice' . Fitting 2 oversized AB's to a cruiser is NOT balanced. It gave you a ship which hit as hard as any frigate ( no bonus but more slots) and travelled faster than any missle could go, any ship could catch, any turret could track AND was cheaper than a ceptor AND had more hit points. Shooting down your lame arguments is pretty easy tbh. I crave balance and fairness in this game and of course skill points should matter but there should NOT be one set up for the win. I could sit down right now and list why this change was for the benefit of EVE but alas I think it would be lost on you because its clear you want your relatively invincible 'elite' speed set ups back which meant you could travel and fight with relatively little actual player skill as your set up kept you safe. Post patch if I want to zoom around at 4km/s tackling BS's in PVP will still fly an Interceptor with an MWD as I always have done. If I want to fight npc's or deadspace or whatever it seems some people want to use this ship for I would use a frigate sized AB. If I want to go out and kill support ships ie frigates and other cruisers I will still fly a cruiser or Muninn or Wolf as I always have done. If you cannot still use a group of frigs or cruisers to kill BS's or other frigs and cruisers then its not your ingame skill points which are lacking, its you actual player skill So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
Toran Mehtar	Posted - 2004.12.17 12:18:00 - [57] Originally by: Eonov so if an inty for example was ripped apart by a dual AB rupture it wasnt realy an unfairly elite ship that downed it, it was a very elite pilot If the pilot is so elite, then why can't he take out that n00b inty with his own inty ? Seems to me he either ain't so leet, or he chose to fly the dual ab rupture because it was better. If a cruiser is better at intercepting than an interceptor, then something is very, very wrong. CCP knows this, anyone who can see beyond the ship they're flying right now can see this. That's why it got fixed.
Toran Mehtar	Posted - 2004.12.17 12:18:00 - [58] Originally by: Eonov so if an inty for example was ripped apart by a dual AB rupture it wasnt realy an unfairly elite ship that downed it, it was a very elite pilot If the pilot is so elite, then why can't he take out that n00b inty with his own inty ? Seems to me he either ain't so leet, or he chose to fly the dual ab rupture because it was better. If a cruiser is better at intercepting than an interceptor, then something is very, very wrong. CCP knows this, anyone who can see beyond the ship they're flying right now can see this. That's why it got fixed.
demonic possession	Posted - 2004.12.17 12:31:00 - [59] And people say CCP love amarr.... funny how amarr dont use missiles so the propulsion changes dont make them better.... hmmmm wel.. looks like every1 needs ravens...
demonic possession	Posted - 2004.12.17 12:31:00 - [60] And people say CCP love amarr.... funny how amarr dont use missiles so the propulsion changes dont make them better.... hmmmm wel.. looks like every1 needs ravens...

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